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@Athias
Once again, why is equality (via the law) fair? You've only stated that it's fair; I'm soliciting an explanation to the reason it's fair.
You need to begin with a dictionary and stop your childish mind games. Maybe a childrens dictionary and work your way to a mature adult dictionary.
You not making sense and now just seemingly wanting to play irrational, illogical mind games.
It is humans attempt at being fair. And fairness stems from philosophy ergo morality.
You appear to be ignorant of both ergo you illogical irrational and repeated non-sensical response. One of the places I learned morality was from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show on tv in the 60's.
Golden Rule Variations
The golden rule --do unto others as you would have them doonto you---- has
a common variation in many countries and religions. I wondered if there
were any other rules with such commonality e.g,
Is there a silver rule also? "Seek fair and just resolution with
compassion and empathy for those who violate the laws and moral codes of
humanity or its distinct tribes. "
Perhaps a wooden rule? Forgiveness by God is instantaneous, forgiveness
by humans takes time.
Or the bone rule? Eye for eye and toothe for a tooth. [im not sure if
any animals other than humans practice this concept]
Molecular rule? "Share not with your cousin what you would not have
them share with you."
Quantum rule? "Know that the uncertainty of mind, being common to all
humans, does not neccessitate chaos."
Space-time Rule? ---Pee-Here-Now is rendition of Ram Dass’sBe Here Now
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@Athias
You not making sense and now just seemingly wanting to play irrational, illogical mind games.You're merely repeating your previous statement; why is equality (via the law) fair?Golden Rule Variations
It is humans attempt at being fair. And fairness stems from philosophy ergo morality.
You appear to be ignorant of both ergo you illogical irrational and repeated non-sensical response. One of the places I learned morality was from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show on tv in the 60's.
Golden Rule Variations
The golden rule --do unto others as you would have them doonto you---- has
a common variation in many countries and religions. I wondered if there
were any other rules with such commonality e.g,
Is there a silver rule also? "Seek fair and just resolution with
compassion and empathy for those who violate the laws and moral codes of
humanity or its distinct tribes. "
Perhaps a wooden rule? Forgiveness by God is instantaneous, forgiveness
by humans takes time.
Or the bone rule? Eye for eye and toothe for a tooth. [im not sure if
any animals other than humans practice this concept]
Molecular rule? "Share not with your cousin what you would not have
them share with you."
Quantum rule? "Know that the uncertainty of mind, being common to all
humans, does not neccessitate chaos."
Space-time Rule? ---Pee-Here-Now is rendition of Ram Dass’sBe Here Now
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@Athias
Why is equality (via law) "fair"?
Have you never heard the phrase 'all are equal in the eyes of the law. Isnt there also a statue of some blindfolded lady holding a balancing scale.
Maybe you not familiar with law in USA.
2} equality via law is sought after because of humans desire for fairness aka fair play, via philosophical considerations of morality, by most humans, barring those humans who have no access to their empathetic centers of their brain,
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@ethang5
What happened to all that gibberish you used to post?
You cant handle english, truth and facts much less any 2ndary symbolism. Al signs of a narrow short minded human. Old news.
Y'know, the weird symbols and numbers that used to populate your posts. Did you get better? Or is that weirdness just waiting for you to get angry again?
The on weird around here is you and GParrot. Old news again.
You can rant an rave all you want, and nothing is going to change you. Trump will remain in office, Jesus will remain on His throne, and you will stay a weird guy ranting incoherently on some obscure debate site.
Your dazed confused and immoral as I rant nor rave any more than you, GP or other memebers. Your and GP's fake news is such old school politics.
No wonder we annoy you so much.
Yet here you are again, with you mythical Jesus, and GP with his Trumpity head on superhuman body of false narrative. Old news from old school tactiics. Back you beasts...back I say....and the whip cracks loudly!
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@Greyparrot
Trump clearly has no power to prevent you, or any other State from going full retard.
You mean the banana "State" that helped Trumpity become president.
Putin{ authoritarian }, McConnell{ Moscow Mitch } Barr{ suck on it Harris }, Sessions{ OMG }, Pence and the whole Biblical book of apocalyptic evangicals.
Lets see now where is the thread I started "Surrounded with the Best{ worst } People. Your cultist follower asleep at the wheel.
I have no problem if you go over the cliff because your asleep at the wheel. It is sad that you and Ethang { Jesus Is Coming } want to take the rest of humanity with you.
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@Greyparrot
Obviously your asleep at the wheel --kinda of like Ethang--- and and a confused Trumpist cut follower ---kindal of like Ethang-- ergo like Trump and Ethang "Your The Greatest!" irrespective of the nonsense you --and Ethang-- spew out of your mouth and fingertips on regular basis aka Fake News!Thanks for proving my point.
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@ethang5
A one world government would be the forerunner to the apocalypse Jesus spoke about.
Ethang, your to reside in a Jesus kiss-our-ass goodby apocalypse land of irrational, illogical and lack of common sense,
denies reality.
Go back middle-east land mythical Jesus and de-Nile.
Amazon and Wal-mart are now the Kings of a unifying of humanity reality.
Elvis has left reality and Jesus never was a reality. POOF!
Your asleep at the age old donkey cart f de-Nile villages of small minded --narrow minded-- tribes of ignorance POOF!
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@Greyparrot
Trump has no power to stop a state from going full retard Socialist.
GP, your asleep at the wheel as your underestimate the powers our Trumpity dictator running a banana republic nation in chaos.
The chaos is promulgated by the dictator leader ---Putin-- and their cultist followers { Trumpity } via social media run by private companies.
...."In the end, as private companies increasingly define “truth” we are heading towards a frighteningly Orwellian world in which a handful of unelected digital dictators will construct our reality. Even Orwell could not have imagined a more dangerous dystopia."...
So his point is, if that the governent lies, we can vote them out. However, if the private companies of social media controls what the truth is, then those who control the social media steer the 'what is true' ship of information.
...............................................Truth > * * < Integrity......."Only Integrity is going to count".....Bucky Fuller
So governments do there best to also control the social media via in sometimes false ---immoral-- narratives in strategic and tactical ways to control humans.
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@zedvictor4
Similarly, you seem to have little regard for what anyone else suggests.
PLease share when you do. Not seen much yet.
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@zedvictor4
Ditch the science and concentrate on the poetry.Regards.Z
One does not exclude the other except with those people of narrow and limited mental bandwidth.
Your clueless to the facts, truth and rational, logical comment sense I present because of your ego based mental blockage.
Ego keeps you ignorant. That is your choice.
I choose to grasp the most comprehensive wholistic set and have laid out clealy what Ive what I believe that is.
You, not so much if not at all.
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I was really asking the question in the context of this subject, but I'll bite: why is equality the end sought by law if as you say, humans are not created equal?
1} that humans are not created equal, is an obvious fact ergo truth,
2} equality via law is sought after because of humans desire for fairness aka fair play, via philosophical considerations of morality, by most humans, barring those humans who have no access to their empathetic centers of their brain,
3} I was not considering the thread topic with my response, however, privacy is another human desire and/or feeling of security as in to not be or feel vulnerable to another humans or non-human animals unknown intent.
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@ethang5
A one world government would be the forerunner to the apocalypse Jesus spoke about.
Take your mythical Jesus to the religion forum,
......where all the unicorns and extraterrestrials live fictitious lives.
.............in minds of mostly,
.................mentally ill humans, praying that,
....................the swarms of Mexicans will not come to USA.
Oh yeah, their already here for last 50 years, along with Chinese for last 200 years.
Apocalypitic Pence and his immoral inaction to Trumpity Dumpity is the next greatest chance for fire-and-brimstone non-sense.
Heaven help us cause these immoral Trumpanzee cult religion is dam-nation knocking at the door of 7.5 billion humans.
There is not going to be a Moon or Mars space colony to save those cultist members who sniff and eat Trumps solid waste deposits for breakfest, lunch and dinner.
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..."An Israeli Company Is Combining Mushrooms with Marijuana to Treat Illnesses"...
..."So far, it seems like Cannabotech is looking to stick to non-psychedelic mushrooms for its cannabis blends, but a growing body of research is proving that psilocybin can be as effective a medicine as medical marijuana.
...Recent studies have found that psilocybin can help patients overcome treatment-resistant depression, alcoholism, or anxiety, and current trials are exploring how this psychedelic fungi can treat anorexia or even snap patients out of comas. The US Food and Drug Administration is now conducting clinical trials that could lead to the legalization of psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy within the next few years."..
Sanity slowly riding on the currents underneath the surf of a seemingly sometimes insane humanity
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..."In a way, the fact Germany has been hit harder by the Firefox changes is unsurprising. That’s because, in Germany, where privacy is far more deep-rooted culturally than it is in the U.S. and U.K., the non-profit Firefox browser has always been especially popular.
...“We’ve had, of course, the experience of dictatorships, and the Stasi, so people are aware what happens if your privacy isn’t protected,” said Oliver Gertz, managing director of interaction for Europe, the Middle East and Africa at MediaCom Germany. “Then in the 1980s there was a strong civil movement about what data should the government be allowed to collect — that is part of the culture.”
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@Trent0405
....."Mozilla quietly announced a major change to its Firefox web browser on Friday [September 6], explaining that “after many experiments—we feel confident that enabling DoH [DNS over HTTPS] by default is the right next step.”
The company assured in its blogpost that “most of our users will benefit from the greater protections of encrypted DNS traffic,” but there was also a recognition at some of the backlash against the new technology. “When DoH is enabled,” it added, “users will be notified and given the opportunity to opt out.”
.....So what’s going on, why the controversy, and why might users opt out?
The Internet's Domain Name System (DNS) is one of its greatest strengths and also one of its greatest weaknesses. As open traffic IP addresses and browsing activities can be profiled and your requests intercepted and manipulated. But with more and more of what is done online being encrypted, the very act of accessing specific websites can be encrypted as well. This is what DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is all about, bypassing locally held DNS nameservers, sending encrypted traffic to a central server instead.Today In: Innovation
The fear is that safeguards might disappear with these changes. Internet Service Providers and child protection software holds lists of dangerous and prohibited sites. Some might be totally blacklisted—think child sexual exploitation, terrorism, illegal activity, others might be subject to parental controls—pornography, violence."....
I know I lost all of my bookmarks when they made this change. I think they offerred me some one to save them to a cloud, but I was too busy at the time with computer issues, that, I couldnt deal with another issue. Did the simplest and quickest thing. Just went with the flow.
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@zedvictor4
I agree. You rgood at that and have nothing of any significance to say in regards to all Ive presented in this thread and most othersJust looping.
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@Athias
What ought to be the mode of interaction between individuals?
Since humans are not created equal their will exist various modes of interaction, dependent on the individual and the circumstances they find themselves in.
A human law seeks to equalize any disparity of humans non-equality and in as many sets of circumstances { scenarios } as can be mathematically accounted for with the technology available to them at that time.
Those laws can be a dictator or any set of human created laws.
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@zedvictor4
Breath, eat, sleep, excrete wastes, communicate, masturbate and;
solve problems via access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts and subsequent intellectual contests
exercise the body in many various ways including sporting contests.
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self serving = integrity of the ego
serving the whole = integrity of the wholistic set of all egos
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@Jeff_Goldblum
My first thoughts of the "Prime Directive" were 4 Robotic laws. My bad. Either way the following ---in bold--- applies in both cases.
....."Well, my MIRI colleague Luke Muehlhauser summarized it well when he said that problems often move from philosophy, to math, to engineering," Helm says. "Philosophy often asks useful questions, but usually in such an imprecise way that no one can ever know whether or not a new contribution to an answer represents progress. If we can reformulate the important philosophical problems related to intelligence, identity, and value into precise enough math that it can be wrong or not, then I think we can build models that will be able to be successfully built on, and one day be useful as input for real world engineering."
.....Helm calls it a true hard problem of science and philosophy, but that progress is still possible right now: "I'm skeptical that philosophy can solve it alone though since it seems to have failed for 3,000 years to make significant progress on its own. But we also can't just start attempting to program and engineer our way out of things with the sparse understanding we have now. Lots of additional theoretical research is still required."
I.e. I like Spocks approach more than I do Kirks, however, both have to be taken into account ---accounting ergo math---.
Kirk will respond impulsively from his gut of what is the correct thing to do.
The more complicated the situation the more philosophical, theoretical, and mathematical considerations must go into any violation of a human made "prime directive". Desperate times call for desperated measures i..e the prime directive may be overridden depending on circumstances.
Remember it is human policy/directive and not a cosmic physical law/principle.
Statistical maths --via super-commputers-- can better gauge{ run } many outcomes{ scenarios } of action or inaction by the more superiorly engineered civilization. Once their run, then Kirk or a committee can reconsider action{ interference } or no-action, or many possible varibles of action{ interference }.
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All of the numbers I can recall in sequential order from memory I consider to be lucky numbers for me. :--))
1, 2p, 3p, 4, 5p, 6, 7p, 8, 9, 10, 11p, 12, 13p etc.....................................................
If I can recall them in a non-linear patterns even more lucky for me ex
0............................6................................12.......................................
....1..................5p.......7p.................11p........13p...............................
.........2p........4...................8......10........................14...........................
...............3p...........................9....................................15........................
If I can recall them in even more complex inside-outed pattern there even more lucky for me ex
......1.......................5p......7p......................11p...........13p.............................17p....
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0...................................6.....................................12..................................................
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Another 3rd thought;
Charge lessens with distance or more specifically as the frequency is lengthened i.e. the entropic ---arrow-of-Time---> implies finite Universe will become on very large and very flat{ lowest frequency } photon.
Once the photon reaches a lowest enough charge{ frequency } Gravity will synergetically cohere photons back into a matter set.
My geometric scenarios, based on ideas of 4-cubo-octahedron and the 5-fold icosahedron simplify as a bilateral set, that correlates to the hemispheres of an animal brain with the corpus callosum inbetween:
OIO or as O|O or as the following were we find more over lap of the spherical, left and right skew 5-fold icosahedron great circles{ tori } with the 4-fold cubo-octahedron as the flat photon See LINK for flat photon and in the following the vertical line | of a flattened 4-fold cubo-octahedron inside of two overlapping 5-fold icosahedral sets;
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Another thouhgt, before you or others go off on my word looping. Photonic charge { electric and magnetic } and Gravity have no distance limits and distance infers a finite set.
So yes, we may say that charge and gravity operate at any distance{ finite } or infinitely, however, we do not say that as it is meaningless to correlate infinite this or that to finite{ distance } integrity{ closure }.
Again, I suggest you and others actually access a dictionary and grasp what the word integrity means. So now I will repeat what Ive been repeating for at least 20 years.
Finite = integrity both systemically and structurally
Infinite= lack of integrity ergo no system and no structure
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Z4....So nonetheless dynamic.
Old news and obvious.
Therefore in either instance the universes potential or ability to develop is what will dictate it's "shape".
Polyhedral ergo spherical, or toroidal or some combination of the two or three. Ive already clearly laid out my shape in this thread and others and at DDO for two or more years now and other forums for longer. YOu, not so much and certainly with no clarity.
A size limited universe (finite) implies a limited ability to develop (potential).
If finite then inherently equals size limited ergo redundant looping of words by you. Finite only means no potential to be infinite.
Infinite means no potential to be finite. You stated neither one of these ergo meaningless looping of words.
An unlimited universe (infinite) implies an unlimited ability to develop (unlimited potential).
1} finite Universe can never be infinite and to state otherwise is meanginless l ergo dribbling mind leakage of looping words,
2} we can speculate, fantasize about the potentials of a finite Universe but none of those have anything to do with infinite ---as Paul suggested---, and we the known set of cosmic physical laws/principles that complement the actions we observe,
3} there may exist potential abilities were dont yet know of, but that is irrelevant to Universe being finite.
If constrained, what is the constraining influence?
All of the properties humans have observed and any we have not yet observed. Ex charge, spin, gravity, dark energy, wave - particle, etc.
Is it only universal potential, or is it perhaps to a greater degree the confining influence (elasticity) of space?
Huh? There exists no potential beyond those of a finite, occupied space Universe that exists eternally in various phases of dynamic shapes. We observe those potentials as cosmc phyiscal laws/principles. Ive made this clear for many years.
You and others ignore the truth and facts of my comments and go off on irrelevant word looping mind games because your ego's will not allow you to concede that you have nothing that adds too or invalidates my given comments in the Cosmic Trinity all comments related to that most comprehensively wholistic set.
Mind games and ignorance --avoidance of truth, facts and rational, logical common senses--- is all the rest of you have had to offer. Sad :--(
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@zedvictor4
So nonetheless dynamic.
Old news and obvious.
Therefore in either instance the universes potential or ability to develop is what will dictate it's "shape".
Polyhedral ergo spherical, or toroidal or some combination of the two or three. Ive already clearly laid out my shape in this thread and others and at DDO for two or more years now and other forums for longer. YOu, not so much and certainly with no clarity.
If finite then inherently equals size limited ergo redundant looping of words by you. Finite only means no potential to be infinite.
Infinite means no potential to be finite. You stated neither one of these ergo meaningless looping of words.
1} finite Universe can never be infinite and to state otherwise is meanginless l ergo dribbling mind leakage of looping words,
2} we can speculate, fantasize about the potentials of a finite Universe but none of those have anything to do with infinite ---as Paul suggested---, and we the known set of cosmic physical laws/principles that complement the actions we observe,
3} there may exist potential abilities were dont yet know of, but that is irrelevant to Universe being finite.
If constrained, what is the constraining influence?
All of the properties humans have observed and any we have not yet observed. Ex charge, spin, gravity, dark energy, wave - particle, etc.
Is it only universal potential, or is it perhaps to a greater degree the confining influence (elasticity) of space?
Huh? There exists no potential beyond those of a finite, occupied space Universe that exists eternally in various phases of dynamic shapes. We observe those potentials as cosmc phyiscal laws/principles. Ive made this clear for many years.
You and others ignore the truth and facts of my comments and go off on irrelevant word looping mind games because your ego's will not allow you to concede that you have nothing that adds too or invalidates my given comments in the Cosmic Trinity all comments related to that most comprehensively wholistic set.
Mind games and ignorance --avoidance of truth, facts and rational, logical common senses--- is all the rest of you have had to offer. Sad :--(
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@zedvictor4
The words infinite, finite and potential are pretty self explanatory.
Ok I'll bite. Tell me what your infinite potential means where used in this thread.
Same goes for your finite potential as used in this thread. You yourself have no idea nor does anyone else, unless their drinking the same kool-aid your drinking. Super looper!
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@zedvictor4
The first day that I questioned a seemingly meaningless loop of words.
The only looping of words in meaningless jumble, that Ive seen, is yours in this thread. IVe made that clear quoted them exactly.
You have offered no clarification and if you did, it was most likely more looping words nonsense. Ex infinite potential and finite potential.
I think you middle name, if you have one, is "potential'. I suppose we could say, that, you have the potential to make some sense in this thread and specifically to the shape of Universe. I just dont recall seeing any.
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@zedvictor4
And relevant facts and truth are currently unattainable.
true for those who are out to lunch. You've have been out to lunch ---for most part--- since first day your replied to one of my posts. No offense intended, Just as you appear to me Z4.
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@zedvictor4
The facts and truth tell another story.Perhaps we share the same aspirations.
Like Trump and republicans, your not interested in facts nor truth. Sad :--(
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@Paul
So your answer is a finite lumpy closed universe with holes? That sounds reasonable to me.
This "with holes' query to myself, occurred many years ago, long before I came to my overlapping ergo interfering tori scenario.
I.e. can we have a true non-occupied space ---even within gravity or dark energy space--- within a finite, occupied space Universe?
My overlapping ergo interfering tori scenario, actually helped me arrive at the conclusion no, specifcally because in my scenaro there is overlapping interference within all occupied space, ie. the holes of any tori are filled by other tori occupying that space.
And that conclusion may diverge from some stuff I heard recently by one of two videos I watched.
1} regarding the fundamental building blocks of Universe, and the other,
2} loop quantum gravity via some one who was not directly involved with the development of LQG. He mentions at the end that Lee Smolin has changed his position regarding time 180 degrees to now say time is real, and that is what Ive been proposing for some 12 or more years now.
It could also be finite now but expand infinitely.
I dont believe that is possible, as it would require micro-infinite subdivision of our finite occupied space.
Bucky Fuller actually considers that option with our finite occupied space Universe in explaining why;
1} we see expansion of Universe, ---I can find his paragraph on that for those interested--- and related to his multiplication-by-division motto,
2} how can an occupied space thing exist as a space unless that micro-infinite space is filled ergo filled by infinite subdivision.
He does not use the words occupied space, ---that is my more definitive usage-- that is inferred and presumed by his and others comments when they something not nothing exists here there or wherever.
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@zedvictor4
Please share when you have any shred of rational, logical common sense that adds to or invalidates my comments as presented.
Ive laid out very clearly a Cosmicall Comprehensive and wholistic, hiearchial set for defining Universe in many threads here at DArt and a DDO.
You have offered none. Only meangingless looping of words hoping they will actually mean something to others.
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z4......".It's a very simple appreciation of universal possibilities.
Taking into account the potential of the universe as we view it.
Universe being occupied space not necessarily limited by space, ergo not closed.
Ergo finite potential, infinite space.
Ergo universe is shaped only by it's potential.
No boundaries."...
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@zedvictor4
Huh? Z4 I really have no idea what it is you think your trying to convey here below, nor do I think you have any idea what it is you think your trying convey. Please share when actually want to address what Ive stated by adding to or invalidating with rational, logical common sense. Thx.
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.."Z4..."Expansion or extent and therefore shape is relative to either infinite or finite potential.
Infinite or finite is also obviously relative to infinite or finite potential.
Common sense would suggest that potential is finite.
Ergo no ego.
I would also suggest that it is unlikely that humanity will be around to witness the extent of universal potential.
Also, finite universal potential is not necessarily suggestive of closed. As the limits of possibility may well exceed the limits of universal potential.
In fact the limits of possibility may well be infinite, ergo unlimited."....
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@3RU7AL
99.9 or 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 does not matter to these immoral mysogynists.
We are know how immoral most of the USA evangelicals are. Sad :--( bunch of bible thumping patriarchs. It is amazing we have the rare Christian Jimmy Carter breed of moral character within mostly immoral community.
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@Paul
They have to do with the topology of the universe and the topology has something to do with the shape.
Ok then, what shape do they relate too?
Open = what shape? ...cannot have a shape as I previously stated and your ego ignores...
Flat = what shape? ..not related to a 3D volume ergo 2D{ flat } topology 2D topology only has to do with a grade aka incline i.e. more or less vertical
Closed = what shape? ...like I said and your ignore because of you ego, polyhedral spherical, concave convex or complex----
Our finite ---ergo closed--- is a dynamically lumpy shape because its composed of ultra-high value set of overlapping --ergo interfering--- dynamic tori associated with specific polyhedral patterns and the best graphic ive found to infer this is as follows LINK
My assessment is based on rational, logical, common sense discoveries Ive made and referenced to observations that have been observed.
All you have to offer in my regards is "you're a nut".
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@Paul
@zedvictor4
That link and those three types nothing to do with shape of Universe. Your clueless in these regards.
Here is quote from article that proves and clarifies my point and shatters yours.
..."Unfortunately, the biggest thing is what it doesn't tell us. We still don't know if the universe is finite or infinite. If we could measure its curvature, we could know that we're in a finite universe, and get a sense of what its actual true size is, out beyond the observable universe we can measure."...
A finite Universe, must have a finite shape -- polyhedra ergo spherically concave, convex or complex--- irrespective of its being dynamic, whereas an infinite Universe cannot have a shape. All else is irrational, illogical lack of common sense.
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@Christen
What I'm saying is, while the fish doesn't charge you to fish it, and while ecology doesn't charge the fish to live, different species still work together to maintain an ecosystem.
I already addressed that you ignore it because you dont get it aka clueless.
Minimum effort does not equate as minimum wage. People actually fish for fun even if they dont need the fish.
People do not work for minimum wage because its fun.
What that baby got for free (which is the milk), the mother had to take the time to work for.
Fishing is fun for most humans irrespective of whether or not they fish for nutrition of just for fun of it.
The mother would have had to eat right, drink, sleep well, and take care of herself so she could produce that milk for the baby to begin with.
Mother breast feed irrespective of you above. Your still clueless.
The sun gives off heat energy.
Free. .......Clueless
Plants take the time to turn that energy into food.
Ecologically is free, .....clueless.
Water helps the plants grow.
Water is free....clueless
Primary Consumers, Herbivores, and Omnivores take the time to locate those plants and eat them.
No fees applied....cluelesss
Secondary Consumers and Carnivores then work to hunt down and eat the Primary Consumers so they survive.All of the plants, Primary Consumers, and Secondary Consumers then reproduce to make up for whatever is lost.
No fee or minimum wage is relevant. Minimal effort does not equal minimum wage.
There is also a limited supply of certain resources, so some species then have to compete with each other. Money is not involved in these cases, but time and effort still are.
Earth and sun are finite, yes indeed, you finally have got 1 out of 10 correct.
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@Christen
Humans have to give up one thing or another to maintain their existence though, whether it's money, time, or labor.
Minimum wage does not equal minimal effort. Your confusing the two.
Ecologies still require maintenance, and in our society, you need labor (people to produce goods/services), time (to produce goods/services), and whatever you're willing to trade for those goods/services, which would in this case be money.
The fish have always been free and ecology has never charged a fee for the fish. Only the middle men charge a fee and all of to often that fee is not based on any real value rather a false narrative value called economics.
Sure the mother may not charge the baby for her milk, but eventually the baby will grow up and have to fend for itself, and it will need time, money, and/or labor to do so.
Your still cluelss. "may" is incorrect assessment The mother never charges a fee to the baby for her millk. Try again to go figure and please try and use some rational, logical common sense.
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....."One year ago, the international scientific community could hardly have expected that Greta Thunberg, a teenager from Sweden, would become one of its greatest allies. Since beginning her weekly “School Strike for the Climate,” the petite 16-year-old has skillfully used her public appearances and powerful social media presence to push for bolder global action to reduce carbon emissions.
...“Again and again, the same message,” she tweeted recently. “Listen to the scientists, listen to the scientists. Listen to the scientists!”....
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And we thank our moms{ MaMa } and dads{ PaPa } for the IN-spiration.
Then Out{ex }-halation.
We cannot return to the womb because of the entropic ---arrow-of-Time--->
---------/\/\/\/------> as varying frequencies of reality{ Observed Time }
Where does syntropy come into play? As Gravity ( ) that ultimately coheres the ---arrow-of-Time---> ergo all frequencies -----/\/\/\/---> of Time that are entropic are coherently unified by a the ultimate dualistic and geometrically diametric set of Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )(.
...."If our Universe happened to be locked in an eternal heartbeat of expansion and collapse, black holes would leave an impression. And it could look just like a number of swirls recently detected in the faint echo of light at the edge of space."....
Buddhism may not have a God, but do they reference a Universe?
...."In fact, the Buddha went even further and described how the whole universe was destroyed and then re-evolved into its present form over a period of countless millions of years."....
..."To explain dependent arising (Tib., rten-ching bdrel bar hbyung wa), the chain of 12 positive nidanas (causes or motivations) was formulated early in the development of Buddhism."...
12 surface angles of 3-fold tetrahedron
12 chords of 4-fold octahedron and its dual the 4-fold hexa-hedron{ cube ]
12 vertexia of the 4-fold cubo-octahedron
12 vertexia of the 5-fold icosa{20}hedron
12 openings of the 5-foldpentagonal dodeca{12}hedron
12 openings of the rhombic dodeca{12}hedron
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12 fields of fermionic matter that stem from electron, quark, neutrino and ?
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"Dare to be naive"... R. B. Fuller
"My education has been of my biggest impediments to my learning"...A. Einstein
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."...R Feynman
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@Paul
Why don't you want to be understood?
I do my best to explain with the tools I have. Your ego is doing its best to create a false narrative Sad :--( waste of bandwidth and mind.
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This first wave pattern has all primes except 2 and 3 falling on same line/level of existence in the more static wave pattern.
0...........................6.................................12........................................18......................................24.......
.....1................5p.......7p...................11p.......13p.......................17p..........19p....................23p..........25
.........2p......4....................8........10.......................14..........16..........................20........22.......................
.............3p.............................9......................................15......................................21..............................
And this above can be expressed using a hexagon with six radii wherein all of the primes will fall on two radii, that fall on each side of a radii with no primes. This was produced algebraically some 200 years ago as the equation 6 * n plus or minus 1{ radii } is where primes will be found{ fall into place }
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All primes except 2 and 3 fall on top line/level of existence in this static, inside-outed wave pattern.
.....1......................5p............7p.......................11p............13p...........................17p............19p.........................23p......
0.....................................6...........................................12...............................................18............................................24
..................3p..........................................9............................................15..............................................21........................
............2p.........4................................8...........10............................14...........16...............................20...........22...............
Yes these are my pattern discoveries above and they follow rational, logical common sense pathways of thought as do the following.
The four inside-outed lines/levels can define four specific kinds of quasi-great circles ---all on the same 2D plane--- of a torus.
Here is texticonic bisection/cross-section of a torus ( )( ) wherein we have diametric opposites of positive ( ) and negative )( shaped geodesic that define the surface of the torus.
Inside the toroidal tube we find a trinary sine-wave defined by the numbers 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15 etc.
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When we have two of these tori interfering in specific angles ---60 degrees-- we have what I believe the basis for one quark.
Four tori interacting at 60 degrees --as in cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron--- we have a meson { two quarks }.
When we get to three quarks we have hadrons and six great tori. This graphic explains the basic set of abstract great circles as the center axi of each tori.
Of ocurse this always fall on deaf ears because the ego is strong dark force for ignorance by most who come my way.
A rare few actually use their ego for a strong light force for educational enlightenment .
The truth exists for those who seek and Ive found few that truly seek it.
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@Christen
Only standard of living is relevant. Economics is irrelevant.
Does the mother charge the baby for her milk? Does the mother charge the baby a birthing fee?
Does the father charge a fee to his children for his fatherly functions.
Humanity is a family of humans, sustained by an ecology and the ecology does not charge humans for their existence, even as humans abuse the ecology. Go figure. Then refigure agin and again and again till you get it figured out correctly.
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@ethang5
We are not one sex humanity ergo unisex restrooms makes no sense and only creates a problem where none already exist.
Since there there is no video or audio recordings in restrooms because of privacy issues, if there is an incident ---and those incidents will happen--- there is no record of the incident.
The biggest differrences in humanity are between sexes not color of skin or religion.
A man will never be a woman, because functional wombs, varies eggs etc will never be implanted into a man ergo man cannot become womb-man.
What does a unisex save in money? One entrance/exit opening. Not even cost of door is neccesary.
Unisex restrooms only make sense when there is only one person at a time in the restroom and there is no need for a urinal. Men can use toilets whereas a urinal does not serve women very well if not all all. Urinals are old school.
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@ethang5
RM--Because people are understanding how bullshit it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Young and dumb except when it comes to Christianity.
Christianity will outlast all other religions. Hinduism for example, is clearly going to decline. It adds members by birth, and for the last 3,000 years has not been able to leave the dusty Indian valley of its birth.
Pagan female worshipping will outlast all other religions and especially patriarchial Biblical religions. Female pagan religion has been with for at least 30,000 years. It is here to stay. Women birth men. Men birth no-things.
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So who is the latest Best/Worst Person to leave Trumpy Dumpy? Oh yeah, Bolton is the worst, but if he testifies the truth then he becomes the best and puts yet another nail in Trunpys coffin. YAY!
Oh yeah Mulvaney is not out of white house, he is just out of the loop or in the corner of Trumpys office wearing a dunce hat.
Who have I missed and Who is next to bite the bullet?
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Here is my entry into the times tables foray.
They are referenced to a circle and, two dynamic moving circles of changing size, that, result also produce a fractal.
So the next question is, does shape matter? Yes it does have and effect, in some ways and not in others.
If we begin with a square shape, then our results will be a differrent pattern in that it will have more lumps the less circular that it is.
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First "Blade Runner" ---Philip K Dicks "Do Robots Dream of Electronic Sheep"-- with George Harrison or whatever his name was.
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In 1960 American architect/designer/futurist Buckminster Fuller envisioned building a dome over Manhattan to regulate weather and air pollution. A half century later, a Danish construction company built a Bucky Fuller-inspired “geodesic” dome in the center of one of Copenhagen’s largest plazas as an experiment in future living: single family home and mini urban farm included.
...“So the thinking of the dome itself and that was also Buckminster Fuller’s idea was: could you live inside a greenhouse,” explains the Dome of Visions founder Martin Manthorpe (of NCC Construction). The Danish dome, designed by architects Kristoffer Tejlgaard and Benny Jepsen, is also meant as a challenge to our conventional ideas on housing: “to explore the idea of the greenhouse as a third space that is both inside and outside at once”.....
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The two are intimately complementary to each other.
.................Space( Time *) i (* Time )Space......................
We * * are on the inside of the tube, and see and/or perceive an acceleration of Space *)(* ,
information *) i (* and,
technology ( Time *)(* Time ), as the ---arrow-of-Time's---> frequencies, changing at an accelerating pace, and in some cases exponentially. The trouble with higher speeds, is that if the systems in place ---ex roadways--- are not in place to match those speeds, is that the individual or humanity have increased chance of crashing and burning.
I hope that I tend to consciously stimulate the good feelings more than I tend to stimulate the bad feelings. The reasons should be obvious to most, unless their masochists or worse.
It is one thing for the individual to be lazy and go with the flow where ever the wind and current leads them.
It is another thing when 7.5 billion people choose to not have a unified goal that looks out for the ecological environment that sustains us all. This latter is going to take more conscious actions, or humanity will surely perish on Earth.
I mean seriously there is not going to be any Mars community that is going live on to spread the human seed. That is a Sci-Fi pipe dream, that, if possible, is so far beyond the time scales of what 7.5 billion people are doing to the Earth ergo themselves, it is truly ignoramus.
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"Dare to be naive"... R. B. Fuller
"My education has been of my biggest impediments to my learning"...A. Einstein
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."...R Feynman
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@Paul
2} You’re a nut.
PLease share when you actually have any rational, logical common sense that adds to or invalidates my comments as stated.
You do not because you have not any validity in regards to Ebuc, rather only ego based mental blockages to rational, logical common sense based on observational facts, truths and rational, logical common sense conclusions thereof or with etc.
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........Space( Time *) i (* Time )Space......
Space = non-occupied and occupied
Gravity = ( ) positive shaped geodesic
Dark Energy = )( negative shaped geodesic
Time = Observed Time ex frequency ergo quantum this or that and all the we observe
* * = biological consciousness
i = ego { metaphysical-1 }
( )( ) = bisection/ cross-section of torus
..... = macro-infinite non-occupied space
Th truth exists for those who seek it.
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@Reece101
Truism/unintegral to the context of the conversation.
Huh?
Unintegral to the context of the conversation.
Huh?
No I am not only referring to “Earth” and “humans”. Which are rough assimilations may I add. I’m talking about the transmutation of matter that make up what we are.
Well you have not clearly stated that in any of your posts. Your approach is believe that biological life came from an aggregate collection of minerals and where is the 'keystone of life' in that process. I have the book "Touchstone of Life" by Lowenstien.
He comes to an obstacle in those pathways from mineral to living biologic/soul. I cant recall it exactly but it takes energy to transmutate to the next level, but it also needs that energy to maintain its status quo. so it is some kind of loop that does not allow the leap from mineral to biologic/soul life.
It may occur, I dunno, however, I' more inclined to believe the coding for biologic/soul life exists inside and on surface of black holes.
I’m not questioning anything. Your ego is clouding your judgment.
Huh? You offer a little vague this or that with no significant clarifying explanation. Mind game via your ego based mental blockage to all Ive presented to you and others in this thread.
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