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@zedvictor4
A flat universe with dimension is a contradiction in terms.
Not when "flat" is meant as 2D aka a 2D area. I.e a cross-section of spherical or polyhedron.
True flatness is an impossibility.
Jaboc Bekenstien, --father of black hole mathematics and holographic Universe--- stated many years ago, that, ..." we appear to be 2D creatures having an illusion of 3D"....
There is either nothing or something.
Jacobs findings were that whatever exists inside a black hole exists on its outer surface.
As espoused for many years, the total area of the four circular hexagonal planes of spherical cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron are equal to the outer surface area of the same spherical. This was first discovered by Archimedes
And closed and saddle are suggestive of external influence or pressure or even boundary.
Closed and saddle{ negative shaped geodesic } are also suggestive or a torus, that also has positive shaped geodesic and two cases of flat.
What others have yet to grasp is that the postive and negative surface aspects of my numerical torus invert to create our Observed Time Sine-wave Reality. Old news for me, since I personally made this discovery
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@Paul
You want to argue against established cosmology?
1} yes if it is incorrect,
2} the incorrectness has been identified over the years and all adjust accordingly, tho some stay stuck in error ---ego---,
3} state your specific cosmological position and I will address it. Ive never been shy to explain what I believe and how I came to believe it.
4} bring it on Paul...By the way, I love that Sci-Fi movie about you. Seth Rogan is good.
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@zedvictor4
Yes this is definitely logical.
Oh gee, 1000 posts later some body actually acknoledges logical, but not rational or common sense conclusion.
Though there is obviously no observation of something that can only be assumed.
And nobody here ever claimed otherwise. If occupied space Universe is finite then there can only exist one deduction form that.
And I also find it difficult to apply tangency to such a concept
I understand your concern, none less, that is what is happening occupied space touches nothing at the outer surface boundary. If you or I were at the surface and reached out we would see we feel nothing{ non-occupied space } or with our instruments, we detect nothing{ non-occupied space }.
So then were back to more things that SMerlin fear considering and that is the deduction of a finite occupied space Universe ---and its shape{ lumpy}--- from observations, and rational, logical common sense ---ex all that we observe{ excetp Universe } has a systemic and structural integrity and all that we observe has a natural rate of decay.
We observe entropy and in that regards we see a decay of Universe as we know it, but we also observe the 1st of of thermodynamics.
Iver repeatedly laid out all of this considerations a clear format at DDo and here at DArt and they always fall on deaf ears. Why> Becuase of ego based mental issues that stem from others precondition educational processes,or non-senseical religous beliefs.
"Dare to be naive"... R. B. Fuller
"My education has been of my biggest impediments to my learning"...A. Einstein
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."...R Feynman
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@Reece101
YOu didnt get my name in #84. That makes no sense to as I have no idea what your talking about.
I'm ebuc. One of m any names iVe used on the net.
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@Reece101
So does there need to be a caveat of purpose to said view, which isn’t ego based?
Need? I dont know. What I do know is that it is only humans who assign a purpose to Universe, humans this or that and humans have access to an metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept.
Original question: How are we here? “here” refers to present occupied spacetime. No other variable
Original answer: Depends how far you want to go back.
If your only refering to Earth and humans. The cause and effects of the galactic events that led to Earth existence are complicated.
And again, we have no idea how humans came to be here. Lots of speculation of possibilities.
‘Going back’ requires spacetime. No other variable.
Well duhh, yes all that exists --including earth and humans--- involve space and time.
You seem kinda of vague in whatever it is you think your trying to question.
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@secularmerlin
@Nemiroff
YAY very good SM. Only one fault there. Macro-infinite non-occupied space is not a tangible, it is tangent to our finite, occupied space Universe and that is the only way tangent or tangible is involved with it.I see no reason to believe in space and time as intangibles.
Non-occupied space embraces/surround our finite Universe. Old news to those who follow rational, logical common sense pathways of thought, that are also based on observation.
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@secularmerlin
And we are back to this. If I don't agree specifically with ebuc it has nothing to do with ebuc's argument the problem must be that I am an egotistical idiot.
Mental based ego blockage to rather simple pathways of rational, logical common sense and conclusions of truth based on observation has led you to believe we live in an infinite, occupied space Universe, even if your afraid to state it that way.
We only observe a finite,occupied space Universe, and there is even some evidence I heard some years ago, --albeit that info may have been before we got evidence of Dark Energy--- that had something to do with the speed at which the Universe was expanding i..e. if it was near the speed-of-radiation, then we are near the edge since that radiaiton has a limit ergo there conclusion were are not far from the finite surface boundaries of our finite Universe.
Huh, that comes back around to some thoughts I had in bed or somewhere, regarding limits. We only observe limits ergo we only see finites.
We only see a limit to speed of radiation. Humans have finite life span. Particles have finite life-span before they decay naturally. Protons are presumed to have a natural decay rate even if we dont know what it is.
All of those particles have systemic and structural integrity irrepective of how short their lives. Ex a meson{ strong nuclear force--2 quarks--} has etremmely short life span.
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@Paul
False as any finite occupied space has a center relative to its static or dynamically changing surface boundary.When I said center of the universe in the post you quoted what Ishould have said is the center of the VISIBLE universe which is notthe center of the universe in it’s entirety. The universe in it’sentirety has no center.
Finite occupied space = having a volumetric value even if that volume increases or decreases ex a balloon filled with air or not and center based on average value of as many diametric values that can be ascertained/assessed.
Again, Fuller has a whole one or two paragrpahs that explain how we can have a Universe that appears to be expanding from any place in Universe. You do not really give a clear easy to visualize explanation as Fuller does and it involves consideration of ultra-micro ergo as I stated previously will be associated with what most cosmologist and physicists have stated in the past, hyper-dimension ---ergo ultr-micro-- curled within our observed 3D.
I recall a brief something or another where somebody thought they were seeing evidence of hyper-dimension closer to an observable scale. Been 12 to 20 years back I heard that info, to best of my recall.
Hyper-dimensions, at best just equal ultra-micro scales of existence withing 3D.
A cube or tetrahedron etc, inside another one, inside another one so on and so on is simple concepts of hyper-dimension that is explained simply vai M. Kakus book Hyper-space and I have repeated expressed here.
XYZ becomes abc of a cube and d is the volumetric ---not surface--- diagonal that terminates at corner of another cube. Old news. That book probably came out in late 90's or early 2000's. I could find Fullers pargraphs explaining the scenario we observed ---before we new of dark energy-- seeningly expanding perception from any viewpoint in Universe.
It will only fall on deaf ears since for most part, their exists and mental based ego blockage to most of what I present around here. Go figure, oh yeah, pretty much others dont figure with rational, logical common sense.
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@Reece101
Seems pretty ego based.
They are the facts of what humans do, that all other animals do not do, or do but too a much greater of less degree.
Well yes, humans have access to and ego, whereas animals have such lesser degree of access to ego.
I don’t see how your explanation contradicts what I said. Can you clarify please?
Your comment ..."Answer: Depends how far you want to go back."... presumes there is some time length that will explain why Universe or just humans exist. I will repeat, in an eternally existent, occupied space Universe, time is irrelevant to how Universe came to exist. Eternity is beyond time, ergo any time length value we want to reference is irrelevant to eternity.
I'm not sure or others grasp what eternity means and that is partly because humans only witness terminality of their lives, terminality of other biologics lives, a beginning time to Earth, terminallity { decay } of particles { natural occuring decay } except of the proton whcih is assumed to have a natural decay rate, that we dont know of yet.
Then in same breath of people who cannot grasp eternity, that will start spouting off about and unlimited occupied space Universe ergo ignorant of systemic and structual integrity only being finite.
Eternity is to time, as,
Infinity is to occupied space.
Eternity and infinite are beyond { meta } their repective counter parts, of time and finite, occupied space.
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@zedvictor4
Ignorant attempt of throwing out enough goo maybe some of it will stick somewhere.Whereas space and time might offer unlimited potential.
You need to start with reading my rational, logical common sense lips/text, not espousing your irrational, lack of rational, logical common sense.
Sm and you are like two kids in a sand box. And you take turns throwing sand out of the sand box and think, this sand is never ending and we keep throwing further and further and further ergo we must be Gods who have no limits to sand or how far we can throw it.
Some of us are in adult world now. I hope will grow out of you childhood misinterpretations about Universe. I doubt it tho. Who can tell. The futures not ours to see, casa-ra sa-ra
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@secularmerlin
Any rational, logical common sense conversation never existed with you. Ego based mental blockage is your problem and many others around here.At the point where you are telling me what I believe oir conversation is over.
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@Reece101
Theist: Why are we here?
Humans purpose in being here is to harvest information, sort the information into orderly way, discover patterns and principles, apply those patterns and principles via technoliges that support ourselves the ecological enviroenment that sustains us, and the integrity of Universe.
Most of the above is paraphrasing Bucky Fuller, that I have done consistently with integrity for some 20 years or more
Answer: Depends how far you want to go back.
False, since and eternally existent, Universe there is time length that references the existence of occupied space.
Humans have this ego based mental issue when it comes to comprehension of;
1} eternal occupied space existence vs terminal biological existence, and,
2} infinite Space vs finite occupied Space
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@secularmerlin
Ok I think I understand. We have finally gotten to the plain message behind your confusing posts and unorthodox language.
The nly thing you understand is how to avoid rational, logical common sense by appplying mind games to whatever rational, logical common sense is presented to you. Sad :--( as you not interested in truth.
You think that I am refusing to accept your position just to gas light you.
Yes, you mental mind games is you favorite exercise to avoid rational, logical common sens conclusions, that, are based on we observe.
This is not the case ebuc. I am genuine when I say that I do not know if the laws of thermodynamics apply outside of our local physical universe
MOre mind games since what exist outside our eteranally existent, finite, occupied space Universe is the eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space, that, is irrelevant to any cosmic laws/principles. Your confused by your the existence of your egos ability to avoid rational, logical common sense apparhension of truth, when presented to you clearly.
and I don't know that the local physical universe or its constituent parts are or could be eternal.
More hogwash aka white washing away truth, as acertained via rational, logical common sense conclusions based on our observations.
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@Greyparrot
Huh, as usual your head is still living in 1800's.I hope you found your safe space.
There is no safe place in 2019 and there has existed no safe place on Earth for over 60 years.
Nuclear weapons are Deputy Dumpities final Trump card and Apocalypse Pence is the fall back solution.
Barr is the henchman. Giuliani is the spy. Bannon is #1 flunky cult member who eats Dumpities solid waste depsosits and attempts to spread those waste deposits as far and wide as possble.
And then there is Pompeii-O. OMG! That makes primary set of six vertexial points-of-view as a systemic integrity that lacks moral integrity.
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@secularmerlin
Or you dont want to know ergo will not process any rational, logical common sense based on observations and verification of those facts.This double negative kills my eyes. If I can clarify my position however. I do not believe that the cosmos is finite. I do not believe that the cosmos is infinite. I do not believe that the cosmos has a beginning. I do not believe that the cosmos has existed eternally. All I believe is that we do not and cannot know.
You would rather play mind games.
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@Greyparrot
I rarely ever go to any utube you post. I tried this one, and as soon as saw and heard it was Trunpity Dumpity speaking, I just as quickly deleted it in nearest fire-pit.
I'm not your type of cult follower. And I hope nobody else is either.
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@Paul
So the center of the universe is where ever you happen to be in it. For this to be the case the entire universe must be higher dimensional.
False, unless we consider ultra-micro to be a "higher dimension", and Ive already made clear that is exactly the only way cosmologists can relate to "higher dimensional" scenarios.
Fuller lays out this scenario fairly clearly in on long paragraph. Remember when it comes to long, Fuller wrote a whole book of some 300 plus pages and it was only one sentence.
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OMG, I forgot about India and Pakastan. Wow, how does any one begin to classify that HUGE and complex set of firecrackers and more.
In USA perhaps we would call them the Hatfields and the McCoys?
Maybe Northern Union and the Southern Confederacy?
I hope someone can fill in the label for those two as I dont think anything of significance occur with the other having an irrational reaction. If you follow my drift. Two individuals in a fierce face-off my not notice that the dagger in their leg did not come from the one closet to them.
M.A.D. was, and still is a synergetic pathway to extinction of humanity. OMG!
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@secularmerlin
Yeah we already know that you dont believe we dont live in a finite, occupied space Universe, ergo the only alternative is and infinite occupied space Universe.
Yeah , we already know that you ---and most others here--- have no clue on how to follow a pathway of rational, logical common sense on this issue.
When the ego gets in way of integrity, truth and pathways of rational, logical common sense, humanity is doomed.
It takes fewer and fewer egos too doom humanity as the number of hydrogen bombs increase, and lack of integrity increases, dud to chaos.
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Lincoln and Trump Two Chosen Ones
I watched the movie "Protecting Lincoln". The movie portrayed Lincoln as a man who came to think he was doing Gods glorious purpose.
Trump appears to be of a similar mind. Are they both righteous narcissists?
Here is my prediction. 1} That Trump will not resign. 2} a nuclear weapon of significant size will occur before or shortly after Trump is not longer president.
Now that may be a bit of a stretch.........since who, of any real significance stands with Trump.
1} Apocalyptic Pence,
2} douchbag Barr { DOJ } ---"I dunno senator"---,
3} Secretaryf State --Catastrophic Pompeii---,
4} USA evangelicals ---were all doomed praise the Lord!---,
5} some in Israel ---no one knows for sure what is cooking in that cauldren???--,
6} Putin --I'm on the top of the world looking down on creation, and the only explanation I can find, is the love that Ive found from Trumpity Dumpity and Moscow Mitch, so and so on,
7} enough key sombodys, in key positions, who believe humanity is a blight on Earth and needs to perish or be reduced to a more manageble size.
8} whatever Ive not considered. Oh yeah the wild card Kim Ungh Pooh. He may feel is getting all the attention and he needs to the top performance on the big stage,
9} ok, so what does that leave?
..."Considering the Civil War had ended only a few days earlier, April 14, 1865, was a normal day in the White House. President Abraham Lincoln read his newspapers, ate his breakfast, met with his cabinet. He also signed a piece of legislation authorizing a government agency that would gain its fame for protecting the President of the United States. Ironically, Lincoln’s authorization of the United States Secret Service would be one of his last official acts—that evening, he was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth while watching Our American Cousin in Ford’s Theatre in Washington, D.C."...
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@Imabench
RM..--Warren. Only. I would give her the floor and sit in awe.That is not sarcasm, she's genuinely the best thing in American politics I've seen in a long time.
I agree. Warren is like the female Rough Rider, Teddy Roosevelt.
I'm partial to mostly to Amy Kobluchars softer approach and political record.
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@Nemiroff
Men { Xy } want to feel they are wanted by women and or i some case men.RM---Men want to be admired, women want to be desired but there is more to it.
Women { Xx } want to feel they are attractive t men and in some cases women.
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Womens brain tend to be more bilaterally active in both hemi-spheres than mens ergo women are have more omni-considaration going on.
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Ergo women are managers { coherence } of 'time', when man is considered as 'time'.
----/\/\/\/---> is the arrow-of-observed time
( )( ) is the geodesic coherence of frequencies of our Observed Time.
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@secularmerlin
You will have to demonstrate the 1st law of thermodynamics outside our current observable physical universe
Metaphysiscal-2 macro-infinite non-occupied space is out-side of Universe ergo it is a Space that embraces Universe we can point to its in any direction because it is a Space.
Metaphysical-1 mind/intellect/concepts --1st law--- are not a Space ergo we cannot point to them. You dont get it or you just like to be diffiicult with mind games. Ego.
before we can count on the fact that the 1st law of thermodynamics exists outside our local observable physical universe.
Not a Space ergo not point-to-able. Your mind games are inferences of non-truths, a false narrative. Sad :--(
Do you not understand what I'm saying? Or do you just not understand why I would even ask for evidence because you are unable to imagine being wrong?
Concepts ergo laws are not a Space. You mind games will never make concepts be a Space that is point-to-able.
Non-occupied Space we can point to and that is any direction, not a specific direction only because it is the Space that surrounds our finite.
Your not interested in truth, only mind games that steer away from truth. Why is that? Ego.
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Correction
......Space( Time *) i (* Time )Space.......
Nature pushes-outward only as a resultant of pulling-Inward phenomena.
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@Greyparrot
Russian Asset is the new, overused "R" slur of the unhinged crazy left.
As per usual you confused GP. ilikepie stated in tmessage #110----...."we got a Russian asset here..." so GP, what nonsense cult speak ore you going to continue to create as a solid or gas waste deposit?
The only crazies around here are the cult followers of Trumpity Dumpity. You like to create a false narrative just your lile you guru Trumpity Dumpity is and expert at. Sad :--( if not just plain sick in the head immoral humans.
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Typical of cult follower who eats Trumps solid waste deposits for breakfast every day. Typical of most evangelicals also. Sad if not sick-n-hte-head.Lmao we got a Russian asset here who wants the Russians to get the entire Middle East and Turkey and the Mediterranean. Womp womp
Trump is the biggest asset of Putin and Kim Ung Pooh. Rebpublicans sell their soul to Trunp, Putin and Kin Ung Pooh to avoid constitutional democracy.
Crazy spinless, cowardly actions by republican is an understatement.
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Bucky as a bodhisattvia
..."The ninth-century Buddhist master Lin Chi is supposed to have said, 'If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.' Like much of Zen teaching, this seems too cute by half, but it makes a valuable point: to turn the Buddha into a religious fetish is to miss the essence of what he taught. In considering what Buddhism can offer the world in the twenty-first century, I propose that we take Lin Chi’s admonishment rather seriously. As students of the Buddha, we should dispense with Buddhism."....
.."The Four Great Bodhisattvia Vows;
Creations are numberless, I vow to free them.
Delusions are inexhaustible, I vow to transform them.
Reality is boundless, I vow to perceive it.
The awakened way is unsurpassable, I vow to embody it."...
I believe Bucky practiced all of these, even if he did know of these or consent to them as a practice.
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Meditation is forced.
Contemplation is genetic and more naturally-like occurance.
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@Greyparrot
Lol, Russia can't even annex Afghanistan. I ain't worried about Russia.
Nor does Turkey need to worry since Putin/Assad have agreed to allow Turkey to keep the Kurdish territory the USA bailed out of.
Russia have even put out a statement stating the USA has abandoned its ISIS fighting allies the Kurds.
This whole thing is just Trump and Erodgan and maybe even Putin.
The Kurds loose out to the Turds { solid waste deposits of Trump } and Erodgan.
Oh yeah, Trump did not consult with Iraq about moving its troops into Iraq and now Iraq is saying USA has 4 weeks to pack their bags and vehicles and get out of Iraq.
None of this was USA planning. It is USA responding the solid wastes deposits of Trump on Kurds by a narrcisitic Turd.
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Not a band but came across this halloween story that most of us can relate too sometime in our lives. The art is the way the journalist tells this story.
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@zedvictor4
It would be great if you could explain exactly where these four or more spatial dimensions occur.
If you dont know where XYZ ---aka abc for M. Kaku--- occur exactly then there is not much any sane person can do to help you.
As for a 4th spatial dimension, there is no evidence for such a spatial dimension exist, and Ive certainly never in my life suggested a 4th spatial dimension exists, so I'm not sure why your asking me. Ive been very clear on this issue. Some physicist believe, that it can be likened to ultra-micro spatial dimension{s} curled within 3D{ XYZ }.
A cube { XYZ } within a cube is the original common version of this hyper-dimension with 3D{ XYZ }. Apparrently you did not read what I stated or you reading comprehensinon skills miss the obvious I stated. Lets try it again for those poor reading comprehension skills
..."#68.....Micku Kaku in his book Hyper-space explains it using the standard cube where XYZ becomes abc and 'd' is a shorten, volumetric ---not surface--- diagonal. A cube within a cube i.e. physicists speak of hyper-dimensions existing within XYZ, at ultra-micro scales of existence."....
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3} size of any imaginary spherical or your spheroid is irrelevant to speed the circumference value increases, as the volumetric diameter is in constant relationship to the circumference and is known as Pi,
4} Pi^3{ XYZ } = 31.00 62 7 66......,
5} Pi^4{ XYZt } = 97.40 90 9 10 34 00 24 37........,
6} Pi^4 minus 31{ XYZ } = 66.4......i.e Pi-Time = 66.4 ergo a cosmic Pi constant related value.
.................................Space( Tiime *) i (* time)Space......... ero bisction/cross-section of a torus
A gravity well has a smell, and that smell is shape, and that shape is a funnel and a funnel is part of the negative shape )( of a torus.
* * = bilateral consciousness
i = ego { metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept }
Space = four primary kinds of space;
........1a} non-occupied,
........2a} physical/energy, ..occupied }
.........3a} gravity --postiive shaped ( ) geodesic, ...occupied...
..........4a} Dark Energy negative shaped )( geodesic ...occupied....
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Focus-- 1973 Doing Hocus Pocus. The keyboardist is obviously possesed.
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@Paul
#68.....Micku Kaku in his book Hyper-space explains it using the standard cube where XYZ becomes abc and 'd' is a shorten, volumetric ---not surface--- diagonal. A cube within a cube i.e. physicists speak of hyper-dimensions existing within XYZ, at ultra-micro scales of existence.
3} size of any imaginary spherical or your spheroid is irrelevant to speed the circumerfernce value increases, as the volumetric diameter is in constant relationship to the circumference and is known as Pi,
4} Pi^3{ XYZ } = 31.00 62 7 66......,
5} Pi^4{ XYZt } = 97.40 90 9 10 34 00 24 37........,
6} Pi^4 minus 31{ XYZ } = 66.4......i.e Pi-Time = 66.4 ergo a cosmic Pi constant related value.
.................................Space( Tiime *) i (* time)Space......... ero bisction/cross-section of a torus
A gravity well has a smell, and that smell is shape, and that shape is a funnel and a funnel is part of the negative shape )( of a torus.
* * = bilateral consciousness
i = ego { metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept }
Space = four primary kinds of space;
........1a} non-occupied,
........2a} physical/energy, ..occupied }
.........3a} gravity --postiive shaped ( ) geodesic, ...occupied...
..........4a} Dark Energy negative shaped )( geodesic ...occupied....
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@secularmerlin
@Nemiroff
nothing can occur without time. It is stasis.events occur in time.
Better stated as no things{ occupied space} can occur { period } or as space { geodesic space of gravity and dark energy } and time { physical/energy }.
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@secularmerlin
1st law of thermodynamics and I will keep repeating until it doesnt just go in one of your ears and out the other without sincere consideration of what that means.This is my exact point. We have no evidence that there was a time before the big bang or even if before is even a sensical term to use.
No creation ergo no cosmic source only local ignorance ---ex SM---,
No destroying ergo eternal. This is simple minimal brainer of those who do not have ego based mental blockage to truth, as observed by humans.
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@WaterPhoenix
Duhh, that is like asking, why are you in people?Why is this in people
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@ILikePie5
Then why is there a ceasefire?
So somehow that makes Trump and you a good person now? Ha you appear to me to be disloyal to 11,000 Kurds ---and their famillies-- that gave their lives to fight ISIS. Prison for Trump and his cult followers
Trump is corrupt immoral mentally disturbed malignant narracist and you appear to be a supporter/encourager cult follower of Trumpist cult.
Assiting and abetting. Prison, tho your term in prion would be less slap on the wrist. Like slapping a childs wrist who attempts to touch a hot stove, that a little more worse than that. More like you didnt learn the first time, 2nd or third time and now your showing mental issues.
Are you living in reality?
Yeah, and it is 2019, not 1962. Get over it, unless you want to see humanity annilated by hydrogen bombs. This is a minimal brainer.
That’s the point.
Yeah, a a NATO member country that is doing ethnic cleansing aka "cleaning out" by Trumpity Dumpity { dump the Kurds in trash } Can a Trumpist culf follow say the words disloyal? No? I didnt think so. Back to your prison cell.
Lmao US bases won’t be given to Russia. Kurdish bases will whichnwere neve Dundee US control in the first place.
More evidence of you brain disorder,that you dont think/believe there were any USA bases in Syria,
And I’m doing so got closer to nuke range via Turkey AND Israel
Russia has had intercontinental missles since 60's. Get over it and get real, this 2019 not 1962. Sad :--(
What Erdogan does is not a concern of the US as long as it benefits the US. America First.
Yeah we already believe your a Trumpist cult follower ---eating Trumps solid waste deposits--- ergo you have grasp of what it means to be loyal to an ally. Back to your prison cell.
And remember that rhetoric got him elected. I’d be careful how you mouth off.
Yeah got him elected mostly by Putin with help of cult followers like you, or are you going to claim you did not vote for Trumpity Dumpity and you dont plan to vote for him again. I think you have no sense of morals or loyality to our allies, just like Trumpity Dumpity.
Back to your prison cell. Back I say...snaps whip at mindless cult following beast...back I say!
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@Trent0405
Again, what he states above is what I experienced with Chrome some 10 or more years ago when I was experiementing with various browsers. I was primarily a mac user then and mostly used Safari and Firefox but Firefox would open sites or play some graphics that Safari and Chrome would not.FF and Chrome really seem like the new meta, seeing how I only tried FF for like 5 days, I'm going to come back to it in the near future. Thanks for this conversation
When I got my first PC I tried IE and quickly realized it is cubersome and some issues so I didnt spend much time with it and got FF.
Edge, I had problems with it when I got W10 on a used Toshiba PC I purchased, so again, made FF my primary browser.
I dont think my IT relative thinks much of edge either. I remmeber years ago reading that FF used a lot of memory, and that may be why it would open and play some graphics that other browsers would not.
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@Nemiroff
Do you believe nonwhite people can be racist?
Duhh, of course the can and do. Are you a fifth grader. Dare to be naive...Bucky Fuller
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@ILikePie5
Turkey is part of NATO
A NATO member who is committing ethnicide aka "cleaning out" by Trump.
Turkey hosts major nuclear weapon sites lengths away from Russia
Nuclear weapons are cons.
American Aircraft have homes in Turkey
Only because Turkey is a country, Kurds have no country.
Turkey prevents Russians from having a presence in the Mediterranean
Balance that aganist teh USA bases now given to Syria/Russia by Trump. All road lead to Russias Putins via Trump-world.
Turkey is positioned so the Russians can’t advance South without Turkic opposition.
Russia vai Syrias Assad just moved closer to Turkey in aquiring those USA bases
In short, without the Turks, the Middle East and half of Eastern Europe would be owned by Russia.
Dittto my above.
Erodgan is leading or allowing secular Turks backwards to becoming primarily ad Islamic state again.
Typical of you Trumpist cult followers, you see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil regarding the most immoral, corrupt, mentally disturbed narrcist president ever in USA.
Your type of Trump supporter and encouraging, belong where Trump is going. Prison.
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@Trent0405
This is from my relative who works in IT networking issues last 10 years,
..."I mostly use FF, with chrome second. I have to change browser sometimes depending on what type of work I’m doing. Some sites only support certain browsers. I have found though that if a site doesn’t work with chrome, it will often work with Firefox."..
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@Trent0405
Firefox truly intrigues me ---- I may attempt to replace edge with Fire Fox though as my substitute, and who knows, maybe I'll replace IE with Fire fox one day.
I have a relative who works in IT for about 10 years now, and has to trouble shoot their networks he hates anything that has to do with windows because it is most untogether systems, but because that is the standard for so many he is force to have to deal with windows. He always complains about them tho.
I forget what browser he uses.. I will try to find out and get back to you. My wife thinks he uses Chrome but shes not sure.
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@ILikePie5
If you have to ask then your Trumpist cult follower.Who’s a better ally, Turkey or the Kurds?
Each have their pros and cons.
Kurds good for fighting ISIS.
Turkey good for......?
Kurds good for keeping ISIS imprisoned{ jail }.
Turkey good for........?
Kurds good for keeping Putin in his place, at least they were until Trump allowed open season ethnic cleansing ---or I mean "cleaning out" to be performed on them.
Turkey good place to host someone who the Saudis ---Trumps good buddies--- want to kill and dismember journalist's they dont like.
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@Nemiroff
Is there a reason you refuse to share your explicit definition of racism instead of random examples?
See dictionary for starters, I doubt I would disagree with any of those. Is there a reason you refuse to use a dictionary?
Is immoral racism define by a persons actions or their history?
Both as all is relevant to the degree of being an immoral racist.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
so no other country is concerned in what is going on to do anything at all and it's all up to the U.S. to send their loved ones to potentially die, spend millions on this issue, while the rest of the world does the usual nothing, ok I understand now.
The only money USA is spending to do ethnic cleansig aka "cleaning out", is to remove our troops and bomb some of the bases.
I'm not seeing any public comments by other countries regarding a the NATO member Turkey. I see Trumps action and racist words, and Erodgans ethnic cleansing.
You and other Trunpist cult follower see, nor hear or speak any of that. Just keep eating Trumps solid waste deposits and hopefully you will end in a similar place that Trump is headed for. Prison.
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@Nemiroff
A handful examples is not a definition. How about the average white person of various backgrounds?
1} Did you check with dictionary as to how immoral and racist are defined? No? I didnt think so.
2} have you ever heard of the south in USA history and of the primary things south is associated with?
3} when martin luther king ---have you heard of him?-- went north to Chicago, and was attacked in Circero{?} his public statement was, 'people in the south need to come north to learn how to hate'...i.m paraphrasing but is pretty close to that.
If after you done all of the above you still have doubts in how I define an immoral racist, I'm not sure what else there is to offer. Watch the documentary I watched regarding Siberia gradually being taken back by Chinese.
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@Nemiroff
OMG dude. Get yourself a dictionary for starters.What do you define as immoral racists?
Trump, Barr, Sessions and a long list of others going back 1000s of years define what and immoral racist is. This is minimal brainer.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
are other countries getting involved to stop this? what role have they played, if any, from the beginning? is this just a U.S. problem or only one that the U.S. can solve?
Solve. Trump and Erodgan are not interested in solving the issue, except via cleansing aka 'cleaning out'{ Trump }. Your deaf and dumb to Trump being a problem for humanity from day one in his presidency.
Yeah, Lindsay Grahman is trying to stick his nose in their, kinda of. Turkey is a NATO member. Maybe NATO should kick Turkey out. Yeah, Iike that idea. Sounds good on the surface.
Where is NATO in all this? Does NATO condone their members doing ethnic cleansing{ "cleaning out" }?
Where are all the other republicans? Oh yeah there behind Trump and by that I mean eating his solid waste deposits aka sold their soul to the devil. Sad ;--(
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@Nemiroff
The haves are not the ones in control. They exercize power indirectly by using ad money to buy your vote without paying you. But the source of power is still our vote, if we as a collective choose to use it wisely.
Putin use of power is exercisng his influence over how the immoral racists in USA vote.
Im assuming USA. May be different elsewhere.
Some whites are racist of people of color, all over the world. Some Russian whites are racist towards the Chinese { yellow } that are gradually taking back Siberia from the Russians.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
is that happening under the cease fire?
The following was and is irrelevant to your above, regarding when it may have happened.
Ebuc..."So ethnic cleansing with napalm and white phospherous is now what I'm hearing. Brings back memories of Sadam Hussines ethinic cleansing of kurds."...
Or as Trump likes to calling 'cleaning up' aka code for ethnic cleansing. These immoral racists love to speak in code to attempt to hide the obvious.
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