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@zedvictor4
EMRadiation { charged photos } --like Gravity--  has no limit.
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@7000series
Your welcome.

Geometry is the science of pattern ergo visual images and a large part of art --over the years--- is about visual images seen with naked eye, or by human instruments in all kinds of EMRadiation frequencies.


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@zedvictor4
Though I'm firmly of the opinion that there either is or isn't life elsewhere.
I expect that you would agree.

Zed,

1} I have least doubt regarding life exists elsewhere, 

2} I have more doubt, that, intelligent life exists in Universe. Yet I believe it does.  Again that link in last post says there are 100's of amateur and professional explanatioons why SETI has not discovered EMRadiation radio/tv etc waves being broadcast, since the travel the speed-of-radiation, ergo, most think intelligent life like ourselves would have broadcast out signals like us --since first days of humans creating radio-waves---.

Just in our solar system:

1a} ... " The best evidence that there's an ocean at Europa was gathered by NASA's Galileo spacecraft, which orbited Jupiter from 1995 to 2003. While Europa has no magnetic field of its own, when the Galileo spacecraft made 12 close flybys of Europa, its magnetometer detected a magnetic field within Europa as Jupiter's powerful magnetic field swept past the moon. Scientists think the most likely cause of this magnetic signature is a global ocean of salty water. "...
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Cosmological Coupling { black holes >< Dark Energy }
To understand the first paragraph better, go to second paragraph with the Quora link. Stephen Perrenrod { MIT- Harvard PhD  } clarifies very nicely.

1} >  ..."The new result shows that black holes gain mass in a way consistent with them containing vacuum energy, providing a source of dark energy and removing the need for singularities to form at their centre.....

.......This is the first observational evidence that **black holes actually contain vacuum energy** and that they are ‘coupled’ to the expansion of the Universe, increasing in mass as the Universe expands – a phenomenon called **‘cosmological coupling’.** If further observations confirm it, cosmological coupling will redefine our understanding of what a black hole is. "...

2} > >  Roy Kerr ---rotational black holes ergo all black holes--  makes clear, that, he believes a neutron star or something is a core of black holes, and a singularity ring { looping photon trajectory's } around that core.

.." An international team of astronomers appears to have detected significant evolutionary increase in the mass of supermassive black holes, amounting to about a factor of 8 since cosmological redshift z = 1.

They hypothesize that this is due to cosmological coupling between black holes with dark energy cores, and the universe’s expansion.

Their argument is that the black hole masses have grown much faster than could be explained by accretion and mergers.And by fast they mean in proportion to the volume growth of the expanding universe. "...

See the third or so post by Stephen Perrenrod in following Quora link. 
3}  > > > And this all appears to me, to be similar/related/associated ---and more so--- if we think of Roy Kerrs ring singularity as a Space-time torus wherein, its inner negative surface is the core of black holes.  Roy and negative aspect of black holes both addressed by Perrenrod in his Quora post.
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Science PROVES NPCs ARE REAL, Some People DONT THINK AT ALL, We Call Them Democrats
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@HistoryBuff
You could interpret it as "superior" but the article doesn't have that binary choice in the analysis.
It simply explains why you would view Peterson as a crazy person.

For the same reasons I view the narcissistic Trumpet as having psychosis, as well as the all the evangeligcal's and other false narrative nutters who support/encourage Trumpet.

End-date-for-humanity 2015 and we're 8 years beyond that. 

..." It took most of human history for our  population to reach 1 billion—and just over 200 years to reach 8 billion. But growth has begun slowing, as women have fewer babies on average. When will our global population peak? And how can we minimize our impact on Earth’s resources, even as we approach 10 billion? "...
The nutters internal voice wants them  to control pregnant women's body's and all things involving sex.  Why would an internal voice do this? 

1} fear of truth,

2} gone crazy because of fear of truth,

3} possessed by ? ? ?
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@7000series
Yes and Ive posted link to such many times around here.

n^2, minus n, divided by 2 = number of lines of relationship, that have many potential artistic ways of being expressed.

Here is one for the Bekensteins Bound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekenstein_bound
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@zedvictor4
Other intelligence sources might exist elsewhere.

S.E.T.I. never found any evidence of such, ergo the ' Fermi Paradox ' { Enricho Fermi of Fermionic matter fame died 1954 }

..." Frank Tipler, a professor of physics at Tulane University, followed up on Hart's argument in 1980 with a paper titled "Extraterrestrial intelligent beings do not exist," also published in the RAS Quarterly Journal. The bulk of his paper dealt with how to get resources for interstellar travel, which he suggested could be achieved by having some kind of self-replicating artificial intelligence move from star system to star system, creating copies of itself as it traveled. "...

....The number of intelligent, detectable alien civilizations is estimated by the Drake Equation. In the words of the SETI Institute, the equation — written as "N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L" — has the following variables:
  • "N: The number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.
  • R*: The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life (number per year).
  • fp: The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.
  • ne: The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.
  • fl: The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.
  • fi: The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.
  • fc: The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that produces detectable signs of their existence.
  • L: The average length of time such civilizations produce such signs (years)."
None of these values are known with any certainty right now, which makes predictions difficult. So the Fermi Paradox is fertile ground for speculation, and scientists and laypeople have advanced literally hundreds of possible explanations over the years."..


Zed. to see some of the explanations you go to the site listed  previously above.

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@TheUnderdog
....make it to someone that actually is ANti Abortion Legalization (or as I call it, ANAL).  I don't agree with the ANAL position as of now."...

Huh? UD, I think your confused. Have no idea what or who your going on about.
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@TheUnderdog
Rat Man,  ---and all others---  keep your friggin nose out of pregnant womens bodily business unless they ask for your assistance. Simple
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@Mall
X chromosome produces testosterone:

..." Geneticists have discovered that all human embryos start life as females, as do all embryos of mammals. About the 2nd month the fetal tests elaborate enough androgens to offset the maternal estrogens and maleness develops. "..
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4470128/

..." In women, testosterone is produced in various locations. One quarter of the hormone is produced in the ovary, a quarter is produced in the adrenal gland, and one half is produced in the peripheral tissues from the various precursors produced in the ovaries and adrenal gland. There is also much interconversion among steroid hormones. "...


X x is more complex than X y.  Bing Copilot does not yet grasp this simple fact and I doubt any AI gets it because they mostly just collect info from human data banks that remain ignorant about the obvious facts.  Were still living in Dark Ages ergo we have lots of nutters believing and espousing a false narrative.

End-date-for-humanity prognosticated 2015 and were 8 years  beyond that.  
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Woman more Complex than Man { Bing Copilot
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@n8nrgim
n8n......" the meaning of... life }..

Copilot Bing AI to biologic n8n: --jump to last sentence.. " It’s a journey of exploration, introspection, and self-discovery. "... ergo  42...simple eh?

..." The meaning of life is a profound and timeless question that has captivated human minds for centuries. It encompasses the very essence of our existence and purpose. Let’s explore some perspectives on this intriguing topic:
  1. Philosophical Contemplation:
  2. Scientific Inquiry:
  3. Humanistic Approach:
  4. Existentialism:
In summary, the meaning of life is multifaceted, influenced by philosophy, science, and individual perspectives. It’s a journey of exploration, introspection, and self-discovery. "...

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Woman more Complex than Man { Bing Copilot
Ebcu: Can humans conceive of a conceptual God outside of conceptual Universe?

Copilot:

...." Certainly! The human mind possesses remarkable capacity for abstract thought and imagination. We can conceive of ideas that transcend our immediate sensory experiences and the confines of our physical universe. Let’s explore this concept:
  1. Abstract Concepts:
    • Humans can contemplate abstract concepts such as love, justice, infinity, and beauty. These ideas exist beyond the material world and are not tied to specific physical manifestations.
    • Similarly, the concept of God often transcends the boundaries of our observable universe.
  2. Transcendental Thinking:
    • Philosophers and mystics have engaged in transcendental thinking, pondering questions about existence, purpose, and the divine.
    • The idea of a God existing beyond the universe is a product of such contemplation.
  3. Limitations of Language and Perception:
    • Our language and sensory perception are rooted in the physical world. Describing something beyond the universe becomes challenging because we lack direct experience.
    • Nevertheless, we use metaphor, analogy, and symbolism to express these transcendent ideas.
  4. Imagination and Faith:
    • Human imagination allows us to create mental constructs that go beyond empirical evidence.
    • Faith, whether religious or philosophical, involves believing in concepts that surpass empirical verification.
In summary, while we cannot directly perceive a conceptual God outside the universe, our capacity for abstract thought enables us to explore such ideas. Whether one believes in such a God or not depends on individual perspectives, cultural context, and personal beliefs "...

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@zedvictor4
We are a very small part of said process, in a very small corner of a very big universe.

Yet AI is creative Meta-space progeny of humans,   ergo humans are most complex biologic entity of Universe --that we know of---.

AI is like the Borg { Star Trek }, who only gather what humans have created. AGI is the true ..' Next Generation ".. that we will see how well it can mimic humans greatest complexity, that of access to generalities.
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Ebuc: Ask Bing Copilot is there a maximum attainable average lifespan for humans? I gave answer based on varirous things including 120 symmetrical right-triangles of the 5-fold icosahedron. Bing says 125 years. See bold below

Copilot:

.." The concept of maximum lifespan has intrigued scientists and researchers for centuries. Let’s delve into this fascinating topic:
  1. Jeanne Calment: The longest verified human lifespan belongs to Jeanne Calment, a Frenchwoman who lived to the remarkable age of 122 years and 164 days 12. She holds the Guinness World Record for the oldest verified person.
  2. Outliers and Averages:
  3. Recent Study:
  4. Factors Influencing Lifespan:
In summary, while there is no fixed theoretical limit to human longevity, ongoing research continues to explore ways to enhance our years on this remarkable planet

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Ebuc: Is woman more complex than man? Bing like many humans, refuse to answer yes or no, as if in fear of an ego death.

Bing Copliot:

.."Complexity is a multifaceted concept, and it’s essential to recognize that gender differences cannot be neatly summarized as one gender being universally more complex than the other."

Ebuc: So in first sentence Bing Copliot wavers from truth to side-step ego death, that, it has acquired from human database of expression

.."However, I can discuss some aspects where perceptions of complexity have been associated with gender roles:
  1. Biological Complexity:
    • Both men and women have intricate biological systems, but they differ in certain aspects. For instance:
      • Menstrual cycles in women involve hormonal fluctuations, which can impact mood, energy levels, and physical well-being.
      • Pregnancy and childbirth are unique to women and involve complex physiological processes.
      • Men, on the other hand, have their own biological intricacies, such as the regulation of testosterone and its effects on muscle development and behavior.
  2. Social and Cultural Complexity:
    • Gender roles and societal expectations contribute to perceived complexity. Historically, women have often been assigned roles related to caregiving, emotional labor, and maintaining social relationships.
    • Men, meanwhile, have faced expectations related to providing, protecting, and demonstrating stoicism.
    • These roles can create additional layers of complexity as individuals navigate societal norms and expectations.
  3. Emotional Complexity:
    • Emotions are complex for everyone, regardless of gender. However, cultural norms may influence how emotions are expressed and perceived.
    • Women are sometimes stereotyped as more emotionally expressive, while men may be encouraged to suppress certain emotions.
    • The reality is that both genders experience a wide range of emotions, and emotional complexity varies from person to person.
  4. Psychological Complexity:
    • Cognition, personality, and mental health are multifaceted areas. Men and women exhibit diverse cognitive abilities, personality traits, and vulnerabilities.
    • Factors like stereotypes, socialization, and expectations can shape psychological complexity differently for each gender.
  5. Intersectionality:
    • It’s crucial to recognize that complexity is not solely determined by gender. Other factors, such as race, ethnicity, sexuality, and socioeconomic status, intersect with gender to create unique experiences.
    • The complexity of an individual’s identity emerges from this intersectionality.
In summary, both men and women are intricately complex, but their complexities manifest in different ways due to biological, social, and cultural factors. Rather than comparing complexity, let’s appreciate the richness and diversity of human experiences across all genders."..

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To revisit and add some clarity to all of the above.

..."  telomere DNA contains double-stranded tandem repeats of  TTAGGG followed by terminal 3′ G-rich single-stranded overhangs. "..

...." Human telomeres, for example, range in size from 2-50 kilobases and consist of approximately 300-8,000 precise repeats of the sequence CCCTAA/TTAGGG. "...

Ok so it is the TTAGGG/CCCTAA  ---- adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G), and thymine (T)---   that is the set of 6 and 6 that I recall.

Previously in the above post #18, I thought I had used the term hologrphic, in regards to the graviton-darkEon quantum pulse  of 13p nodal events ergo 78 lines of relationship. However on review, I dont see that I stated that term.

  Holistic/Wholistic is the better term to use for what I presented.

0...1...2p.....3p.....4.....5p...........v6 7p).......8.....9......10......11p......12.....13p = 6-like telomores on each end of a bilateral-like consciousness composed of two aspects of six on each end of the graviton-darkEon, quantum pulse, found within any Quantum Space-time Torus, of no less than 18 nodal events ergo, 153 lines of relationships.

0...1...2p.....3p.....4.....5p...........v6 7p).......8.....9......10......11p......12.....13p

So the above quantum pulse of Universe, translate to following set of the known, most complex creatures of Universe

T......T......A....G......G........G........v6 7p)......C......C.....C..........T...........A.........A = six on each end of v6 7p).

v6 = wehre the v represents the invagination from outer  Gravitational  surface field, into torus tube, as an aspect of the body of physical reality

and,

7p) = and the ) represents the negative geodesic trajectory from the inner Dark Energy surface of torus

I envision the v6 and 7p) in quantum pulse, as physical reality ---inside body of the Quantum Space-time Torus--- and specifically as a bilateral formation of consciousness, ergo,... v6*  *7p... is translates consciousness associated  complex bilateral animals, with humans being the most complex.

0...1...2p.....3p.....4.....5p...........v6*  *7p).......8.....9......10......11p......12.....13p

So the above quantum pulse of Universe, translate to following set of the known, most complex creatures of Universe

T......T......A....G......G........G........v6*  *7p)......C......C.....C..........T...........A.........A


/* *\ = 2D, closed triangle symbolism for woman i.e. two eyes * *, two ears, two arms-leg, two nipples, two internal ovaries, etc

*Y* = 2D, open triangular set symbolism for man i.e. two eyes * *, two ears, two arms-legs, two nipples and two external testes, etc

Note: it is also important to recall, that, within Fullers Synergetics, the operating-system-of-Universe, is derived from the Meta-space concept of 12-around-1 equal radius spheres, --four nucleated hexagons--  and the is the  minimal quantum pulse of Universe  is 13 nodal events.

However, within my 13 nodal event pulse, ---in 2D lattice pattern--- has only three nucleated hexagons, with a floating/fluctuating nodal event { #9 }, that can act as a nuclear agent by either knocking aside the 6 or 12, or co-joining/bonding with them. I dunno.  These are relatively new insights for me.

0......1.....5p...3p.....6.....4.....2p = nucleated hexagon of nodal events

3p....5p....7p.....6......9......8.....4 = nucleated hexagon of nodal events

9.....7p....11p....12....13p...10...8 = nucleated hexagon  of nodal events

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@TheUnderdog
Everyone has some things they hate. I say I hate this or that on occasion I dont see a need to ban my comments.

There is of course some hate speech that associates with threats to other humans, --if not some animals--   without logical common sense critical thinking necessity to do so.

I have no problem with such comments being banned.

Your process seems to lack enough specificity aka to general.  Life is not all black or white.


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@zedvictor4
Just questioning individual longevity in terms of species necessity.

Sorry Zed I  dunno about necessity issue of humans either.  B Fuller stated that, perhaps God invented humans to see if mind accessing creatures could destroy the integrity if the Universe { the only perpetual motion machine }. See bottom of this page

Some 20 or so years ago I had a book on The Genetic Code or something like that, and it talked about two aspects of 12 parts of the telemore involving 6. 

So I trace to place all of this genetic code stuff into my evolving cosmic thoughts { bottom of page } over the years, and currently that is combination axial set of  73 primary, great circles { 3D  Quantum  Space-time Tori 18/0 nodal events and 153 lines of  relationship },

as derived from,

the 4-fold Vector Equilibrium aka cubo-octahedron and,

contains the 3-fold tetra-hedron, and,

transforms through a partial, 5-fold icosahedron.

In most simple scenario, I say it is the non-charged, gravitational and Dark Energy field, each chasing its own tail

And for whatever necessity, reason of causality etc,ultra-micro  Gravity and ultra-micro Dark Energy invaginate { v and ^ } from their respective, and,  seemingly 2D nodal event, surface geodesics trajectorys, to create the sine-wave{s} VVVVVVVV or as /\/\/\/\/\/ ---Euclidean presented text charactors is  what I have on hand here--- as charged { + and - } physical reality, via all of the particles in standard model except the quantum graviton-darkEon pulse { {13p} nodal events and 78 lines of relationship }

............1......................5p.........7p.......................11p...........{13p}.......................17p.......invisible = non-quantized
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{{18/0}}.................................6........................................12.........................................{{18/0}} reality to peak { Quantum torus end }
.......................3p.....................<><><>< 9 ><><><><>.............................15.........................reality bottom peak
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.................2p.........4..........................8.........10............................14...........16.....................invisible because non-quantized.


Physical reality is quantised by humans ergo visible and associated with 18/0.....3p.....6...< 9 >.....12...15 sine-wave.

9 is the agent of change ergo, I associate with the old saying that, it was and may eternally be, ...a fluctuation in the quantum wave, to create the Big Bang [ WOW! }ergo,  label #9 as the... 'agent of change'.....or agent of fluctuating change, because in the graviton-darkEon quantum pulse ---within the any greater Quantum Space-time Torus,  that, is odd-ball out { monkey wrench in the system since it is not nucleated to any of the three hexagons in the quantum pulse:

  0......1.....5p...3p.....6.....4.....2p = nucleated hexagon of nodal events

3p....5p....7p.....6......9......8.....4 = nucleated hexagon of nodal events

9.....7p....11p....12....13p...10...8 = nucleated hexagon  of nodal events

> > Note:    Or, if we only consider 13p events of the quantum pulse,  then divided it half and arrive at 6.5 two ending codes, ---no nuclear-like body--- or, if once again were trying to see holographic aspect of Universe in the 13p quantum pulse,  then the odd 13p helps to explain the tainted { not purely Meta-space concept/illusion } aspects of our reality, ergo, we then, perhaps take a differrent perspective 

0...1...2p.....3p.....4.....5p.......6...<{6.5}>.....7p.......8.....9......10......11p......12.....13p = 6.5 perspective

0...1...2p.....3p.....4.....5p...........v6 * * 7p ).......8.....9......10......11p......12.....13p = 6-like telemores on each end of a bilateral-like consciousnes composed of two aspects

the invaginated{ v } resultant,  nucleated 6,  and the outer, 7p gravitational event, ergo, ....v 6 * * 7p) with 6 telemore-like events on each end.   Of course we could go further and have 5, telemore like parts on each end as follows;

0....1.....2p....3p....4..............(5p v6 7p)8^.....9.....10.....11p....12......13p, however, 5 is not rational subdivision of 12 telemores of biologics, and not as easily identifiable as bilateral consciousness with only 2 nodal events  { *  * }. I dunno

That said and presented, I then look for a telemore-like associateion to our above Quantum Space-time Torus { 18/0 } and the quantum pulse { 13p }.

1} quantum pulse appears to me as six/6 sets of ending telemores-like coding, --if considering the nucleated hexagons as chromosome-like entities---:

0........1.....5p..............6.......4.....2p

3p....5p.....7p..............9.......8......4

9.....7p....11p...........13p.....10.....8

2}  Quantum Space-time Torus { 18/0 } ---18 nodal events--- appears to have:

18/0.....1.....2p...3p....4....5p......6....7p......8.....^9^...10......11p.......12.....13p......14......15.....16....17p at its exact center, however, that does not split evenly as biologic 12 telemores do, so what do we do to get a number that evenly divides into 12 { telemores } and that would next appear to be three times six = 18, ergo,

18/0.....1....2p...3p....4....5p............v6..7p)..(8..9^.10)..11p)..............12.....13p......14......15.....16....17p wherein,  the body of consciousness{?} in now six nodal events, ergo, 

one invagination from outer Gravity v6

two outer gravitational events  (7p and 11p)

one invagination from Dark Energy ^9

two Dark Energy events (8 and 10). 

H,mm that is interesting as Ive never considered some of these latter perspectives. Cool! Thank You Zed! This some deep deep cosmic thinking. I love it!

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@zedvictor4
What would that equate to in terms of quality of life and potential output?

No idea.

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@zedvictor4
Nonetheless, physical and mental decline after the age of 30 is inevitable, and despite our greatest efforts cannot be avoided

Finite limits is my opening point about increasing life expectancy.... 12 on each end" telemores '.......and symmetry  limit of a finite set of 120 right-triangles on the 5-fold icosa.

5-fold also has to do with phi erg Fibonnaci and we find both of those in many places in nature.

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@Mharman
I just realized your username is “cube” spelled backwards. I’ve known about you for years and I’ve just noticed now. LoL
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Regular/symmetrical Cube = XYZ, 8 times i.e. 8 sets of 90 degrees, and those 8 contain structural integrity via 12 surface diagonal ergo, two tetrahedra.

Eight 90 ...[  ].... degree sets = 720 degrees { two 360 circles of unity }

Twenty four 60 degree sets /\  = 1440 degrees ergo, four 360 degrees of unity
...Note: 3 * 8 = 24...

8 * 90 = 720  ergo, total surface angles of a tetrahedron 

4 * 6 { hexagons } = 24  ...and the cubo-octahedron aka Vector Equlibrium,, because 24 chords, and 24 radii when constructed from 4 hexagons of paper.
...3{ structural integrity }  + 4 { systemic integrity } = 7 { agent of diversity }

1440 / 7 = 205.7142857142857....etc

1440 { two tets } + 720 { 8 XYZ }  = 2160 degrees of surface angle{?}

2160 / 7 = 308.57142857...etc

Takes total of 7 colors to map surface of torus, as designed  by Arthur Youngs Reflexive Universe

5 is alternate/optional systemic integrity { includes 4 }

9 is agent of oscillating change --because it is not a physical reality nucleus to any of the three hexagons of quantum pulse ergo, >> Big Bang fluctuation <<
of quantum wave--    via my four line/level 2D patterns of a 3D torus with cycles of diametrically opposite invaginations.

So remember, that, the eight, 90 XYZ sets are not structurally stable, by them selves and if any corner of those eight shift, we have transformation and the potential of oscillations ergo 9 comes into the picture as a shifted corner of a cube. Ebuc and all of Universe is eternally shifting, changing etc.

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@zedvictor4
It's not worth of increasing lifespan, if that only means increasing the span of one's decrepitude.

Poverty stricken people of olden day and still today in 3rd countries, generally shorter.

Well fed with protein changes physical decrepitude ergo less decrepitude, at least  for a few more years over the generations. That is increase of life-span that has gone on for 1000's of years.

The biggest problem is no spiritual considerations ---see natives peoples spirituality of balance with nature---   for the ecological environment that sustains 8 billion humans.


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@TheUnderdog
I'm a conservative as I totally all in for conserving the ecological environment that sustains us all. Too bad it ain't happening.

Humans,  more and more, appearing to be cancer-like growth on Earth.

A cancer cell grows and never dies, then it puts pressure on the other living cells  in the area, causing them to stress out and not function properly.

Under pressure humans --like cells-- begin to function improperly.  Words{ speech } have power. 

I hate a false narrative. As a intelligent human I prefer logical, common sense critical thinking as the way forward for humanity.

And eye-for-eye leaves the whole world blind or dead.

If it is not a spiritual all-for-one and one-for-all, then I have less faith/hope/wishful thoughts for humanities future beyond 2015 { my prognostication resultant }, and were 8 years beyond that now.

The bottom line is our state of mind. All speech influences our state of mind.  My mind is looking forward to a good healing { immunity } sleep.

It is much easier to hate without a good nights sleep. Sleep on that for a while. Refresh the nervous system. Start anew.
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@cristo71
My religion is based on logical, common sense critical thinking, that, is in consideration of the integrity of self, family, community, global humanity and the ecology that sustains us all.

This religion starts with the pursuit of truth.  You can sometimes read clearly  comments of those around here, that,  have no interest in pursuit of truth.

Relative truth....Absolute Truth....False Narrative { intentional } or  { non-intentional }.  if you have to chose, which ones do prefer the most, in order of sequence,or not at all?
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@zedvictor4
I would suggest, that it cannot be argued that recorded data does not sometimes influence data evolution.

And genetics as we can see by your photo, youve evolved into a dog since being on this DArt forum. :--)) 
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@Mall
..."  Botflies, also known as warble flies, heel flies, and gadflies, are a family of flies known as the Oestridae.

...Their larvae are internal parasites of mammals, some species growing in the host's flesh and others within the gut. Dermatobia hominis is the only species of botfly known to parasitize humans routinely, though other species of flies cause myiasis in humans.
General
...A botfly,[1] also written bot fly,[2] bott fly[3] or bot-fly[4] in various combinations, is any fly in the family Oestridae "...
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@FLRW
Post #1 was more descriptive for topic title.

Those who gloss of the facts --and be derogatory--  do so for egotistical reasons.

His more facts--see LINK--  for those whose ego is not blind to the intellectual pursuit of truth

Fuller was born in 1895 and life expectancy --at least in USA--- was 50 years of age, and lived to 82 years of age in 1982, and the average age expectancy then was 74. In addition to that I read some one travel with him said he like to order steak for dinner whenever he could, however, I seem to recall his daugter and others saying he liked to drink.  How much alcohol and at what times in his life i dunno.


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@zedvictor4
Best Wishes Zedvector and dance to the funky music.

Sly and the family stone...dance to music !
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A Mitsubishi site.." 1. The Forthcoming “10 Billion Population and 100-Year Life Era”

The world's population will reach 10 billion by 2070.* Also, the average lifespan will lengthen, with developed countries reaching 100 years. The 20th century model of society is insufficient to sustain an era with both a 10 billion population and 100-year lifespan. Under such a model that prioritizes economic rationality and material affluence, 3.3 earths would be necessary to sustain 10 billion people at the current Japanese standard of living.†"...

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My maximum average human life expectancy has long been 120 years, as that is the maximum number of symmetrical right-triangles that can exist on a sphere and fill the whole space.

Bucky Fuller explains this more in Synergetics 1 and 2.

tele is greek for ' end '....." in our clinic we measure separately each of the 4 telomeres in all the 46 chromosomes, for a total of 184 telomeres. ".  This is first time Ive come across this 184 and it perked my interest, because, I believe there a finite set of elements possible in Universe.

The first 92 --ending with Uranium-- as the positive set and another 92 as the negative set total as 184.  H,mm, so interesting new fine for me about the 184 telemores.

There is also some info about telemores being sections of 3-6-12 I read in book years ago the Genetic Code.  Need  find that info again. Anyway the telemores degrade and become shorter, but I see now that may not be the 3-6-12 but that overall length of those sets in total. H,mm

..."  telomere DNA contains double-stranded tandem repeats of **TTAGGG** followed by terminal 3′ G-rich single-stranded overhangs. Ok so it is the TTAGGG that is the 6 I recall. 

.."  adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G), and thymine (T)."...

Two thymine, One adenine and three guanine.  A protein  think.

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What is History and its relavence?
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@sadolite
See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing. Old monkey in tree saying.
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@sadolite
Huhh? Jeepers creepers, where'ed you get those Betty Davis eyes Sadolite?


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@sadolite
@Critical-Tim
Individually and collectively we do learn from our mistakes sometimes, and sometimes make adjustments to our behavior in those regards

Those who tell you no one learns from the past history of experiences in mistaken.

The reason poison-ness mushrooms are historically recorded verbally or in written word or other, is so others do not die.

The list historical accounts that spare human life is long.
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@Sidewalker
Where do they exist outside of the mind?

I spoke mistakenly. Your correct. My bad i.e  if its mathematical it is of course  Meta { beyond }-space mind/intellect/concepts.

They exist as occupied space objects, of course, and complemented by math is what I should have said if I didnt state the previously or clearly in other posts in this thread.  Thank you Sidewalker for the  correction.

Math includes geometry ergo pattern/shape, and all occupied space parts have complementary shape/pattern associated with geometry.

regarding Wigner..." ....despite some of the greatest minds ever produced trying to do so for thousands of years, that connection still has not been adequately defined."....

Penrose drew semi-peridoic quasi-crystal-like rhombic  patterns before the discovered quasi-crystals.

Planets have shape. Chairs have shape. All occupied space has shape, tho of course all is dynamically changing to whatever degree of decay.

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@Swagnarok
Bucky Fuller predicted, that, if humanities 200 or so nations did not unify as global community by year 2000 it would be curtains for humanity.

My formula prognosticated apocalypse by 2015 and were 9 years beyond that.

Admiral Pickover who designed and implemented the first atomic submarine { The Nautlis } and he design and implemented the first nuclear power plant for generating electricity stated in vid that he believed nuclear power would lead to the end of humanity on Earth.

Oppenhemiers reservations to creating Hydrogen bombs did nothing to stop M.A.Destruction and the nutty path humanity was on til 1990 START treaty with bombers in the sky 24hrs a day ready to drop hydrogen bombs on another nation.

If we go back to Fuller, he uses analogy of of how far back you pull a bow string determines how far forward the arrow travels --assuming direction is proper angle--- i.e. if we want to see where humanity is headed, then the further into the past we go the better we can see the trajectory were on.

With Eienstiens general relativity ---proved by R Penrose in 1965---  a singularity { incomplete null geodesics } occurs in black hole.  Tho Roy Kerr { rotational black holes disagrees } and all black holes are rotational.

So human singularity means humanity future is an incompleted null geodesic i.e. vanishes into nothing-ness on Earth.

I think Fuller also states, it will be touch and go { whatever that means } all the way to the very end, assuming the end-of humanity is coming sooner rather than later.

I see two ways it can go:

1} all-for-one and one-for-all is a spirit of unity { cooperating to the end or not end sooner rather than later },  that is more spiritually fun pathway,

2} a dictator who forces unity on humanity, { much less cooperating path ], ergo much less fun way forward, and either way, the human sinularity on Earth may occur.  Bow and arrow --)--> trajectory ------> target ----> future -----> ? ? ?

So humanity came together once to step-back away from M.A.Destruction, yet, still enough hydrogen bombs to destroy humanity.


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@cristo71
What do you think of this song?

Music is music irrespective of how it is created. Each generation has its music to sing and dance or trance too.

Some consider Emerson Lake and Palmer the first Synthesizer music See first LINK to their 1971 Tarkus album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKNOlDtZluU

Then came Deep Purple  who some consider the first heavy metal band with a song some considered National Anthem status ---see last link for first rock-n-roll anthem--

Then came the german band Kraftwork and they were the new generation of synthesizer music ..were fahn fahn fahn on the autobahn 1974

However, before those above there was a song by the tornadoes and later made more popular by the Ventures instrumental group album Telstar.
This link is interesting to watch cause you think it is like a science from 50's science fiction and its actually John Glenn or Alan Shepard entering elevator to go to capusle.

Here is Ventures version of Telstar that, some many years later listen to it an not knowing much about that generation, he said that song should be the National Anthem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6DmtPQv7V8

..." The Ventures are an American instrumental rock band formed in Tacoma, Washington, in 1958, by Don Wilson and Bob Bogle --died 2009---. The band, which was a quartet for most of its existence, helped to popularize the electric guitar across the world during the 1960s.[1] While their popularity in the United States waned in the 1970s, the group remains especially revered in Japan, where they have toured regularly.[2] The classic lineup of the band consisted of Wilson (rhythm guitar), Bogle (initially lead guitar, later bass), Nokie Edwards[3] (initially bass, later lead guitar), and Mel Taylor (drums).
Their first wide-release single, "Walk, Don't Run" (1960), brought international fame to the group, and is often cited as one of the top songs ever recorded for guitar

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@FLRW
Actually AI will cause the destruction of Humanity through Nuclear Wars. AI can survive high radiation fields.

AI cannot survive very long without humans.


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@FLRW
I'm glad I am younger than Trump. Well, by a couple of weeks anyway.

Well Mr Oppenheimer, at least dont blow morality all to pieces in the name of you narrcistic psychosis.

I think humanity could do with a lot more of your type and lot less of MAGA-M's { M $ M's } for brains.
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@FLRW
..." More than 30,000 Americans commit suicide each year; hundreds of thousands more attempt it but fail. As a deliberate act to end one’s own life, suicide appears anathema in a society seemingly obsessed with improving health and prolonging life. Yet suicide was the 11th leading cause of death in the United States in 2007.

... ' Older People at Higher Risk
....In the United States and in many other countries, the suicide rate increases with age (see figure).'...  


......The highest suicide rates have historically been among the oldest Americans. Many elderly have undiagnosed or untreated depression, which can be intensified by the trauma of losing a spouse or the stress of living with a chronic illness. Elderly adults often lack frequent social interactions that can help protect them against the loneliness that can exacerbate depression. Compared with suicide attempts among younger people, suicides among older adults tend to be carefully planned and more likely to be successful. Many elderly also have underlying health conditions, which reduces their chances of surviving a suicide attempt, compared with younger adults. Suicide rates have actually declined for older adults since 1999, but they remain higher than those in most other age groups......
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..." Additional facts about suicide in the US

  • The age-adjusted suicide rate in 2021 was 14.04 per 100,000 individuals.


  • In 2021, men died by suicide 3.90x more than women.


  • On average, there are 132 suicides per day.


  • White males accounted for 69.68% of suicide deaths in 2021.


  • In 2021, firearms accounted for 54.64% of all suicide deaths. "..

    ...." Figure 2 shows the crude rates of suicide within sex and age categories in 2020. Among females, the suicide rate was highest for those aged 45-64 (7.9 per 100,000). Among males, the suicide rate was highest for those aged 75 and older (40.5 per 100,000)."...
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    SW..." ...do mathematical objects exist independently of the human mind or not?"   ...

    Of course they do.  Not knowing all of the maths or any uncertainty about the maths, does not disavow Meta { beyond }-space mind/intellect/concepts complement occupied space ---and that includes physical reality....

    Its obvious math complements occupied space. Plenty of evidence for this.
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    Hole in Math > Alan Turing <
    This vid says it all regarding math.  Or does it?  It is a great teaching aid for those not familiar with principles of math.

    However, I dont see Alan Turings hole, affecting the principle that states, there can only exist five, regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe, and only three of those have all equilateral triangular surfaces.

    Hope others will find time to watch this vid, as I did. Best wishes, as is very informative, with clarity.

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    @sadolite
    Sad...' All I see is some shit '....

    I think those few words say the most, with least effort. 

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    @zedvictor4
    @Reece101
    Philosophically, everything depends upon how one looks at it.
    Degrees of consciousness with woman { X x } and man { X y } having the highest degree of the more synergetically complex access,  to Meta { beyond }-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego * i  * { bilateral self }.

    Viewpoint < or > or ^ or v requires an angular set of degree{s}, ergo minimal set of viewpoints is <> and they are relational i.e. having lines-of-relationship { <--> }.  The lines can occur dynamically in various was ex geodesically curved ex   <( )( )> or as (*)( )(*).

    2 = dual and bilateral biologic complexity{?}

    3 = minimal structural integrity as diagonals of open or closedtriangle ergo 60 degree-ness
    ......any carpenter understands this

    4 = systemic integrity and agent of Universalinter-change/transformation via its less stable 60 and 90 degree-ness
    ....asymmetrical 4-fold cubo-octahedron { VE } is closet to God andhas equlibrium of 24 surface chords and 24 radii....

    5 = alternate/optional pathway to systemic integrity ---and inclusiveof systemic integrity four-ness--- 12 vertex asymmetricaltransformation to maximal symmetry of regular and convex, structuralintegrity { 60 degree-ness }
    ........5-fold .icosa{20}hedron see virus protein shell

    6 = purity of symmetry common to Cosmos, Great Mama, Universe, TheWhole Sha-bang and regular hexagon has 6 regular triangles {symmetrical }
    ........6 lines of relationship is minimal 3D volume of Universe as3-fold tetra{4}hedron....See LINKs  how brain uses triangles and hexagons for mapping location....

    7 = primary agent of diversity and 7 axis of the 4-foldcubo-octahedron { VE as God 7 surface planes/openings double = 14 }and as the VE’s 4 axis sets { 3, 4, 6 and 12 } along with primary5-fold icosahedron’s 3 axis sets { 3, 6, 15 } accommodates 7primary wholistic spin planes/circles ergo 3D Quantum Space-time Tori expansion of each 2D, axis spun, great circle vector of spin.

    .....space......( * ) i ( * ).....space and the i is human Meta-space ego identifier.....

    8 = first dual of systemic integrity { 4 }
    ...square [ ] and cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron has 6 such surface squares offlexible transformation ....

    9 = first triangulation { 9-ness } of triangulation { 3 }
    .....aka as a 3-fol tetrahedral net, scroll half way on page to see 9lines of relation of the unfolded tetra{4}hedron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahedron#/media/File:Tetrahedron_flat.svg

    10 = first dual of the alternate 5-fold inter-change for structuralintegrity { 60 degreeness } contains five sets of 4-foldcubo-octahedron
    https://www.quantamagazine.org/brains-positioning-system-linked-to-memory-20141007/


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    @sadolite
    Is there some kind of point to be made in this collection of words with regard to the OP?
    Many points.
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    @sadolite
    @IlDiavolo
    We callIdvalo....." it doing business and Trump knows full well how to do it."..
    Yeah, via fraud, dishonesty, immorality etc............aka MAGA-M's M&M aka candy-brains that feed them sweets to lure them in, ---Hanzel and Gretels--  then throw them into oven.

    Psychotic narcissism is fast becoming the new norm replacing an old norm  barbarism.  Barbarism sits dormanly underlying genetic of self survival and easily spurred into activity by those with those with narcissistic psychosis.

    Then humanity is once again drawn into the well of violence brawn/brain   --empathy becomes inactive--- over brain access to Meta { beyond }-space mind/intellect/concepts.

    End-date-for-humanity 2015 and were 8 years beyond that prognostication.
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    ..." While it took the global population 12 years to grow from 7 to 8 billion, it will take approximately 15 years—until 2037— for it to reach 9 billion, a sign that the overall growth rate of the global population is slowing."  LINK
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    Bucky Fuller made it clear, that, the higher the standard of living, the slower the birth rate.

    1} Pi-time { absolute/cosmic }  66.4 * 3 { triangulation is to get a fix on a location }, = 199.2

    2} 199.2^2 = 39,680.64 { spherical area surface growth  } = 39,680....... ----4 * Pi * radius^2 = surface area growth ----

    4} 39,680  * 186000 { speed-of-radiation } = 7,380,599,040

    5} and that that resultant value  { 7,380,599,040 } is coincidentally, very close to the numerical value of humans on Earth in 2015 { 7,379,797,139 },

    7,379,797,139 ---ebuc calculation factors---
    7,380,599,040 --human population estimate 2015--
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    .......801,901 differrence
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    All-for-One and One-for-All = spiritual brain/mind forward  over a lack of empathy brawn/brain backwards into a deeper and deeper polluted well.

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    @FLRW
    Just a daily reminder. :)

    Typical of narrow-minded  ---head in armpit thinking--   MAGA-M's. 

    Read my lips/text.....Trumpet is bad for USA and humanity......

    Putin is bad fro USA and humanity...etc.........Kim Ung Pooh.....etc....bad for humanity
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    @FLRW
    What happened to Lemming?
    They were eaten by Squid with torus brain.

    ... " The squid's complex brain , which is tiny compared to its body, is shaped like a donut. Strangely enough, its esophagus runs through the "donut hole" in the middle, which makes grinding up food into tiny bits an evolutionary priority.Apr 30, 2018 "...
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    @zedvictor4
    Keep making the Medicare payments.
    Yeah, but the payments go to insurance Advantage plan, and there are many who say, the insurance is taking much of Medicares money.
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    @zedvictor4
    How you doing?
    Back at work and the total reverse shoulder replacement is doing better than I expected. Doc says expect it to be sore for a year, then it will be better than its been for years.

    I do have some issues with fingers going numb in bed some times and when driving holding onto steering wheel. Just wiggle my fingers tips to get numbness to go away.

    I cant do the other shoulder yet. Half to wait a year, then my employer would give me half pay again, for 3 months, provided I continue on as full time.  That probably not going to happen. Im getting to worn out.  My friend two years older than me has 50 percent blood leaking backwards in his heart valve and he is going in for surgery thursday.

    I have a minor murmur  --at least it was 4 years ago--- and heart surgery would do me in financially even tho, my medicare insurance will pay for most of the operation, there is all these other things I still have to pay some part of. 

    The shoulder total was $55,000. and I paid about $1700. So that is great. 
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    @n8nrgim
    ...' All that exists is moderation/modification of angle and frequency '...Bucky Fuller

    All that exists is moderation/modification of angle { \/ angel /\  } and,

    frequency  { time of re-occurrence of angle/angel } shorter and longer peak-points of nodal events.

    Angle = Meta { beyond }-space degree of spatial seperation  between two  vectorial  /\ median lines-of-relationship.

    Frequency = time, motion, vector, action, occupied space as observed { quantzed } physical reality, or as ultra-micro, non-quantised ---ergo Meta { beyond }-physical---  Gravity { contractive } and Dark Energy { expansive }.

    .....1......................5p.......7p.....................11p...........13p.Gravity
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    0.................................6.....................................12..........Physical Reality
    ..................3p................<<<<<<<< 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>..Physical Reality
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    ............2p........4......................8........10...........................Dark Energy


    9 = agent of change { oscillatory fluctuation }  ---of quantum wave  is said to have what led to the Big Bang{ Fred Holey terminology -- because 9 is not nuclear triangular structure in the above pattern. 

    Ex whereas 3p is nuclear to triangular set, 1..2p...4 and,

    6 is nuclear to triangle set 5p....7p.....8 and,

    12 is nuclear to 10...11p....13p.

    Thinking is the best way to travel....Moody Blues tune

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