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One of take away I heard on the NPR interview, was that it should not be so easy for a emotionally distraught person to go buy a gun at local retail store --ex Walmart--- and he gave another example of seemingly rational people loosing their access to the empathetic center so of the brain.
---See Bosnian war for former next door neighbor and friends now killing each other. A TV program I saw on this emathy center and bosnian war was first I had heard of the brains empathy center that humans shut off in order to commit atrocities to other humans----
This below is not the NPR interview I heard, it is just one of many links to this topic.
..." Implications: Minding the gap
...In many ways, these studies confirm our everyday experience. Things feel very different in the heat of the moment. We already knew that, right?
...In many ways, these studies confirm our everyday experience. Things feel very different in the heat of the moment. We already knew that, right?
....But that’s the rub. People don’t act like they know it.
...If they did, they would be more consistent in their judgments. They’d
consider how their current state might be affecting their perceptions
and make adjustments for it. They’d do a better job avoiding “hot”
situations that provoke them to behave rashly.
...They might become better caretakers, too. Studies show that hospital
patients–even terminal cancer patients and children–are routinely
under-medicated for pain (Twycross 2006; Van Hulle Vincent 2005).
..And how well do parents really understand their children’s anxieties? "...
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@ILikePie5
What difference does it make? I could be white and they still wouldn’t care.
False, at least in s far as white priviledge goes.Ex, just listen to NPRadio, and man has a whole book on racial stereo-typing in advertersing.
Apparrently white celebrity actor recently being interviewed Aston Kutcher{?} ---and maybe his wife--- stated he only showered once a week, or mostly he only washes his armpits and one other place. So in a greater context of advrtising of soaps, blacks were always dirty and needed to be cleaned to more like whites if not be closer to being a human.
So in last 150 year context, if white celebrity says he doesnt wash that much compared to if a black celebrity actor were to state the same thing, the take away for many whites is just another example of how blacks are dirty and need to be cleansed to pure white, like ivory soap.
Blacks bought into all of this sterotypying culture and have done more to try to buy soaps and other things to be more white ergo clean.
Apparrenty in the book the man found commercials that actually state using their soap will turn black people white. The list of white privileged ins culturally ingrained into all of USA citizens.
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@3RU7AL
EVERY TIME YOU BUY A BANANA, YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT LIVES.
Huh? Sorry 3ru, youve lost me again. I dont have your depth of philosophical where-with-all. I need the big dummies guide to whatever it is your connecting to what I stated.
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@RationalMadman
This neo-nazi cult mentality is absolutely repugnant.
Agreed, and tho not all cults are neo-nazi, some are and some practice the same false-narrative propaganda.
I generalize about tthe 74 million trumpeteers all being the same ---of course their not---ex.
I have a friend, who doubt voted for Trumpet, and definitly not neo-nazi type, and done his share of charity and peace work, yet his mind seems to in religous cult when it comes to the CoVid2 vaccine. Ive not actually spoke to him about masking, but I bet he is willing to wear the mask.
He may a be a bit like my mother who atttempted to follow Christian Scientist Mary Baker Eddy. My siibling and i were sceduled for tonsilectomy, and at l
ast minute mom changed her mind on that one. Later years I find out that was actually a good choice, but not because of Christian Science cult/religon.
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Is when I first began to develop this idea. Scroll to last posts to skip stages of development.
3 { triangulate to get a fix on something/location } You need help with that part? This is how Military and NASA, satelites, surveyors etc have operated since caveman days. ;--)
66.4 is my discovery of Cosmic Pi-Time * 3 = 199.2 Do you own a calculator does simple multiplication?
199.2 * speed-of-radiation = approximate human population on Earth in or around 2015. Now I'm repeating myself. Maybe missed it before.
Add on the 7 generations { 7 * 30 or so years } as stated by some old native amrican indian sayings, and we arrive at the resultant 2232 or close to that.
This is called a prognostication, that is based on facts of our experience and transposed to a forumla that may say something about specific future outcomes.
I first heard about Greenhouse Effect in Fuller 1980 book Critical Path. The word prognostication I also first learned from reading Fullers books.
Also my error in that is the hottest month, not just a July, on record.
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@3RU7AL
there is absolutely no way that a "vaccine" is going to make you MORE immune than experiencing the actual contagain first hand.
True to whatever degree, however, the vaccine may save life of human ---of any age--- and may keep other more detrimental effects at bay/away.
Masking makes a differrence ---contrary to you past anti-masking stance--- and CoVid2 vaccine is safe and effective in the above, as stated.
There exists an anti-vaccine and anti-mask cult --irrational religious like fevor--- and it is possible for a person to change their mind, if their open to the truth, facts etc, irrrespective of their education or social financial class.
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@RationalMadman
@zedvictor4
...degenerates that they are....
Maybe also the word[?} repugnants? Those who commit violation of common decency? Etc.
......" Repugnant refers to something you detest so thoroughly it threatens to make you physically sick,
like the idea of marrying your sister. Or wearing last year's jeans. A
repugnant thing is a thing offensive, detestable, or obscene. It can be
repugnant to your mind or your morals.
....It can also be physically repugnant, like the smell that comes from a
restaurant’s dumpster, which hasn't been emptied since the very exciting
"Omelet Week," way back at the beginning of August. Makes you want to
"re-PLUG-nant" your nose!"....
On the other hand, perhaps, they { repugnants } are just ignorants from lower { poor } and less educated, ergo, people who are more susceptible to false propaganda narratives of so many cult conspiracies { more repugnants }
Ex this lady explains how she explained how she escaped her cult following ways. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-56762061
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First the cult non-believer said Greenhouse effect > Global Warming > Erratic Climate Change was false.
Then in early 2000's some of those cult believers began to accept half of the truth, but still could not get beyond their cult beliefs that Global Warming > Erratic Climate Changed is not cause be humans, they like to repeat non-sense like ...' this is just what nature does all the time, it changes '.....
These are adult humans who are are actually educated in first world. Humanity is not likely to survive much beyond 2232.
3 { triangulate to-get-a-fix on a somethings location } times 66.4 { cosmic Pi-Time } = 199.2, time speed-of-radiation { = human population of Earth approx. 2015 } + 210 years { old indian saying to think of our consequences now, 7 generations out into the future } = 2232 approximately.
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@TheUnderdog
@drlebronski
@Slainte
How one person in Britain escaped the anti-vaxxer cult/conspiracy i.e. how the more ignorant susceptible class escaped false propaganda narrative.
The vaccine ---as proven safe for most humans--- should be a global mandate in a world that is unified to survive beyond 2232.
July { 2021 } was hottest globally ever and last July { 2020 } was the record high temp month prior to this July.
How one person escaped the false propaganda narrative surrounding CoV2 vaccine and masking.
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@RationalMadman
@zedvictor4
Optimism is perhaps the essence of scientific thinking.
Huh? Zed, I think your confusing word "optimism" with word 'truth'.
.." America is the only country in the world that has an over-supply of
vaccines that have proved effective against the virus that causes and
spreads the pandemic across the globe. Permit me to slightly rephrase
this fact: the vaccines have proved to be hugely, hugely effective
against Covid-19 and America has produced the vaccines in quantities far
beyond what the population of 330 million needs for complete and
effective vaccination of everybody.
...However, millions of Americans are
refusing to be vaccinated. Indeed, from what was previously called
“vaccine hesitancy”, millions of Americans have moved to complete
“vaccine rejectionism”. This is why what I am calling an “anti-vax death
cult” has appeared, again so far only in America. Right now, as I write
these words, a solid 95% of all deaths from Covid-19 in the country are
made up of unvaccinated Americans. This is why I call it a
“death cult”: people are aware of this fact that being unvaccinated
could lead to death, but they are supremely indifferent to the specter
of the death that haunts them if they remain unvaccinated.
.....In this piece, I will be arguing that this “anti-vax death cult” marks
what might eventually prove to be a terminal crisis of global capitalism
in America, its heartland and center of gravity."...
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@drlebronski
Well, I'm not a racist, bigoted Qanon { trumpeteer } conspiracy nutter trying to overthrow USA government and claim ..The Big Lie.... 10 times before going to bed each night.
Those nutters most recent date for the the return of Trumpet to USA presidency, in USA, was today, the 13th { friday }. Why fridday the 13th?
Because these so called people, appear to be related to the reptile lizard people, who, also have some serious mental issues/ I think the 74 million trumpeteers need to have a brain scan done on them and compare that to normal people, so we discover exactly where their wires got crossed or shorting out from accessing rational, logical common sense.
Hope the explains who and what I am. :--)
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You wouldn't just post some unsubstantiated BS would you?
Just because it is "unsubstantiated" does not make necessarily "BS". Plus I dont recall what I posted saying anything ab out bikers dying.
I think you need to reread what I posted and what you posted, to get your facts straight, first and foremost. Thanks Sad-do-lite
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@RationalMadman
Both sides think the other is full of idiots, really smart people see the in-between.
Middle of road is most dangerous as auto can hit you from either side of roadway
Vax and mask is smart, all else sucidal and in some case { Trumpeteers } homicidal as it attempt to kill self and others, based on the evidence as seen in this https://timjwise.medium.com/covid-anti-vaxxers-arent-a-maga-death-cult-it-s-worse-than-that-16d74186e46b
MAGA = typhoid Mary?
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@EtrnlVw
...conscious soul is independent of the physical body and it's needs....
Soul { local } = biologic body with human woman being the most complex soul/biologic of Universe
Soul { Cosmic }= Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )(
( )( ) = cross-section/bi-section of cosmic torus { Cosmic Space Web/Fabric } having outer positive curvature { Gravity } and inner negative curvature { Dark Energy }
(><)(><) = invaginations from the diametric opposite curvature's of outer and inner, create sine-wave pattern associated with our observed time reality/physical
(> * <)(> * <) = bilateral, complex consciousness / * * \ { female internalized { ovaries }and *Y* male externalized { testes }
....space(> * <) i (> * <)space.... = i { ego/identity } and is in catagroy of Meta-Space aka Meta-physical-1 { spirit-1 }
' will ' is limited cause and effect { not free } ergo humans have discovered eternally existent, inviolate physical laws aka cosmic principles
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I saw Doctor on TV other day and he was emphatic, that, .paraphrasing....' dont think that you going to ge by without be exposed or infected by Delta '.......
..." These are people who didn’t and don’t want to die. They simply thought there was no way they would.
..To them, COVID was a virus of the big city and those who live there, of old people, or persons with multiple pre-existing conditions (of which they didn’t believe their cholesterol-lined arteries and COPD qualified as examples).
...It was only killing the weak.
..And they were strong — cowboy strong, to be precise, or at least Sturgis motorcycle ridin’ strong.
..High on a delusional mix of rugged individualism, toxic masculine bravado, pseudoscientific faith in vitamin supplements, and a belief that God would pull them through, they were convinced they were safe.
..Only others were at risk — the less good people.
..The ones who don’t do CrossFit, or go to a megachurch, or better still, a CrossFit in a megachurch. "...
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" Why machines that bend are way better " . Try this one as it is definitly way cool technology and may be installed on your local hydrogen bomb as we speak.
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@TheUnderdog
This thread is a joke.
Ok, then perhaps the title should be changed to ' who is the biggest dick on DArt? '
H,mm reminds me of that TV game show, ' The Weakest Link ', ergo ' Who is the weakest link { sauage } at DArt? '
OMG, this is getting out of hand/control. :--) The cats are out of the bag, the dicks out of the hand?
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@zedvictor4
I'm questioning why do covid conspiracy theorists assume to know better than experts.
Maybe it is because they are a smart-ass, or, because they tbey believe they are, literally, a smart ass { donkey in human form }.
I think the primary reason is because of the rise of USA's president { bully-pulpit ergo some sense of ego based credibility } Trumpet tooting non-sense of non-sense crowd { 74 million in last election }.
Either way I think it primarily involves ego. I dunno and maybe I dont know, because I'm not a smart ass { literally }. :--)
However, I did read an article recently that trys to make clear, that, the Trumpeteer crowd is not primarily suicidal --as Colbert and others have laid out clearly---, rather they have homicidal tendicies and that may not be so much the ego as brain disorder. I will try and find the article.
Ahh, found it. https://timjwise.medium.com/covid-anti-vaxxers-arent-a-maga-death-cult-it-s-worse-than-that-16d74186e46b
..." The truth is worse — and here I am speaking specifically of those who
are resisting obtaining the vaccine, rather than those whose access is
limited by location, poverty or issues with mobility to a vaccine
center. '.....
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@aaaa
After air, fresh water is the source of life. And i n Southeast Asia, early humans followed the fresh water rivers to their source in the high Himalayan mountains, ergo, the source of life is God, and in a 2D world of only above and below, the mountain highs were closet to the heavens above.
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@Wylted
I think the best long term investments are in clean air and clean fresh water. Non-toxic food, comes in a close third.
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@zedvictor4
Agree.
That's good, because there exists no other rational, logical common sense conclusion, irrespective of classical BB idea/scenarios since 1920's.
Finite, occupied space Universe is eternally existent and that corresponds to 1st law of thermodynamics, ----1800's comprehension--- naught is created nor destroyed on transform one state/phase of occupied space existence, to another.
Expanding/stretching, or not, is irrelevant to what exists outside of { beyond } the finite, occupied space Universe.
Macro-micro-infinite, truly non-occupied ---nothingness space--- is the only rational, logical common sense conclusion.
'Space' is the generalization of occupied and non-occupied space and these are the first two, primary subcatagories of the term 'Space'.
Observed time only associated with sine-wave patterns /\/\/ that, to date are only associated with quantised and quantified fermions and bosons, ergo Gravity, ( ) and Dark Energy )(, have not been associated with any sine-wave patterns.
Gravity ( ) and Dark Energy )( are also occupied space, and not yet quantised nor quantified so no association with a sine-wave patterning is known.
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@zedvictor4
The rationale is that Universe has limited potential.....Cannot expand indefinitely.....Is finite.
Occupied space
Therefore the finite universal requirement of space does not necessitate the infinite possibility of space.
True of occupied space, not the ternally existent, truly non-occupied space, that, finite Universe is allededged to be expanding into.
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@zedvictor4
I would suggest that SPACE is infinitely possible, but not infinitely necessary.
Space { occupied and non-occupied } eternally exist. Necceaary requires a rationale, of which you do not offer.
And raisin bread is good....... But of course, we add the raisins at the beginning.
Glad you came to that conclusion Zed. Galaxies { cosmic } come and go, rasins { local biologics } come and go.
Macro-micro, truly non-occupied space is eternal. ---Metaphysical-2----
Finite, occupied space Universe { Spirit-2, 3 and 4 }, is eternal. ---Meta-Space/Metaphysical-1 { spirit-1 }, Metaphysical-3 { spirit-3 } and Metaphysical-4{ Spirit-4 }.
This is all repeat of my several years presented, Cosmic Trinary/Trinity Outline.
...................space(> * <) i (> * <)space..........is a generalization of cosmic quantised tori, that, I believe collectively, overlapping, interrelating, define our finite, occupied space Universe., that, outer boundary { Gravity ( ) } is dynamically lumpy shape, that most likely approximates a spherical, or perhhaps just dynamicall changing, less than spherical, blob.
Visualize a male scrotum sac, ---as Gravitational membrane---, with uncountable number of balls/testes ---collection of overlapping tori--- inside, in constant dynamically changing positoning.
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@zedvictor4
If the Universe is expanding in that way, do we at some point have a universal horizon.
The rising/expanding raisin bread dough analogy is more accurate. Universe is not 2D, --lie balloon surface, even tho Kip Thorn, Jacb Bekenstien etc have all their math showing that it appears we are...."2D creatures having an illusion of 3D" { J. Bekenstien }.
Ive been very clear about this over the years Zed....One more time, we live in an eternally existent, f inite, occupied space Universe ergo finite ihberently means event horizon boundary or surface... This is not difficult to grasp, unless you have ego based mental blockage and/or, some preconditioning that has led you to believe the Universe is some other way.
Simple not complex to grasp.......here is finite circle O........and to clarify that is macro-finite. Micro-infinite is another consideration, but I dont think such exists except with Meta-Space/Metaphyiscal-1 mind/intellect/concepts of infinite this or that, and the macro-micro infinite, non-occupied space that, embraces/surrounds our finite, occupied space Universe.
Simple stuff.
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@zedvictor4
One would assume that to move apart, things must move at different rates.
Hi Zed. Your query is similar to one Bucky Fuller addresses in two places in his book Synergetics 1 and 2, of which I dont have those paragraphis in front of me, to present.
However, long before Dark Energy phenomena ---accelerating expansion speed--- was discovered { 90's }, the classical way to visualize expanding Universe, every where, was to visualize a 2D surface of an expanding balloon with little dots on its surface as galaxies.
Then along came the visualization of a loaf of raisin bread expanding in 3D directions, wherein, the raisins represent the galaxies.
So, with Dark Energy { cosmic constant acceleration }, the loaf of raisin bread is expanding rates of acceleration.
Ahh, I found one of the two or more expanding Universe scenarios Fuller considers in his 1973 book Synergetics 1 adn 2: http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s07/p6400.html#780.22
..." 780.23 This expanding-Universe concept is easy to phrase
in words as reported, but
lucid comprehension of its import involves experientially
"impossible," three-dimensional,
space-motion conceptionalizing, for in order to travel
away cosmically from each of all the
spherically surrounding galaxies of our Milky Way, any
one of the billions of galaxies
seemingly would have to go outwardly in all directions
in order to go away from each of
them simultaneously. Obviously, however, this could
not be accomplished by any one of
them moving in only one direction__which is humanity's
way of thinking of motion-unless
there were a center of galaxy of Universe outwardly
from which all others move exactly and only radially, or unless all of Universe and all
of the galaxies and each and all
phenomena within them, including the smallest nuclear
particle, are either expanding systematically and simultaneously or are shrinking systematically
and simultaneously, all
changing in size at a rate that is just a bit faster
than the speed of light, with either the
universal contraction or universal expansion of all
points in Universe producing the same
effect of uniform withdrawal from one another.
780.24 This may be the universal effect of the speed of gravity, whose force (possibly in order to eternally cohere Universe) is, as is often found experimentally, always just a fraction greater than the cosmic speed of inherently disintegrative radiation. (See Sec. 231.) This conceptioning becomes lucid if one is familiar with the vector equilibria and their identity with isotropism, which spontaneously accommodates coexpansion or contraction independent of any Universe center, every nuclear point within the system being a Universe center, with all its 12 most immediate neighbors always being equidistant and bearing at the same total of central-angle magnitudes from one another,1 with the circumferentially closed, embracing vector forces always more effective than their equal and opposite radial vectors' noncooperative, open-ended, disintegrative forces. ".....
780.24 This may be the universal effect of the speed of gravity, whose force (possibly in order to eternally cohere Universe) is, as is often found experimentally, always just a fraction greater than the cosmic speed of inherently disintegrative radiation. (See Sec. 231.) This conceptioning becomes lucid if one is familiar with the vector equilibria and their identity with isotropism, which spontaneously accommodates coexpansion or contraction independent of any Universe center, every nuclear point within the system being a Universe center, with all its 12 most immediate neighbors always being equidistant and bearing at the same total of central-angle magnitudes from one another,1 with the circumferentially closed, embracing vector forces always more effective than their equal and opposite radial vectors' noncooperative, open-ended, disintegrative forces. ".....
Hope that helps Zed. The PBS Spacetime program has many great explanations and questions. This one really caught my attention becuase of my numerical patterning explorations of four levlels/lines, that, I inside-outed, and then inferred those lines are great circles, involved with a dynamic spiral helix trajectory, that, has two invaginations, at each maximum peak of curvature.
outer positve peak invagination (> <) inner negative peak invagination
Horizontal bisectional { cross-sectional } view of a the torus under consideration........space(> <)(> <)space............
inside the tube is two of the four lines/great circles that define two peaks of a sine-wave /\/\/\/\/ pattern....space( /\/\/ )( /\/\/ )space...........
The two inside lines ...as the two peaks of the sine-wave....., are associated with self-stabilizing { triangulated } set of numbers. 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 { 18 kinds of quark and 18 kinds of anti-quark }.
Sine-wave patterning inside the torus tube is associated with sine-wave patterns found with fermions { ex electrons /\/\/ } and bosons { ex photons /\/\/ } and again, they are the resultants of outer and inner invaginations { inversion-outversion } events.
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@Nyxified
But so long as we take it upon ourselves to fight twice as hard,
Dang, just when I was considering a 4th, polluing { disel fuel } cruise-ship voyage on the open sea. I new better the first 3 times and I went anyway.
Guess I was preparing to ' go down with the ship ' so to say.....Space-ship Earth or humanity. :--(
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@TheMorningsStar
@oromagi
prioritize loyalty to Trump over country and community
There is no evidence of Trumpeteer orangutans needing a coVid vaccine, since they are not human animals. ;--O
..." People who already had COVID-19 should still get vaccinated, scientists urge ".. LINK national geographic
and, I believe there will be booster shot for vaccinated, and,
CoVid, --a corona virus like cold viri---, may need a vaccination every year, like we do for flu viri.
And of course this above does not even address masking, or social distancing, and I sure as hell dont want to get near any Trumpeteer organutans coVid2, or not. ;--D
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@FLRW
The universe was born with the Big Bang
False non-sense. Occupied space ---includes physical reality--- cannot be created { born } ergo 1st law of thermodynamics, not is created nor destroyed is and eternal truth, not a concept derived by human free will creation on the Sabbath just so they can play football on the next day.
Experience precedes thought ergo no experience no access to eternally existent cosmic principles --aka Meta-Space { Meta-physical-1/Spirit-1 } ex there exists eternally, only five possible regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe.
Six known degrees of freedom occur on three axial rotation, ---in Space that is 6 directions--- that are the first set of limits to any illusions of ' free will ' abilities.
..." What Is Pitch, Yaw, and Roll?
..The first
aspect of flight student pilots must grasp is the concept of aircraft
axes: that flying an airplane is a three-dimensional task. It is unlike
driving a motor vehicle down the street or sailing a boat on the surface
of water. Once an airplane is in the sky, these three dimensions affect
it, and a good pilot comprehends what this means.
.....Gaining at
least a working understanding of how pitch, yaw, and roll work can be
applied to aircraft operation, no matter its shape or how large or small
it might be. From the most imposing airship to the nimblest glider, these aircraft axes are at work upon every manmade object in the sky."...
None of the above, when restricted limit the phenomena of torque/twist ergo at another 6 degrees of freedom will have to be considered to prevent torque/twist.
3Ru will tell you that, ' will' exists, its just not free. I say both are just very good illusions.
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@janesix
@Stephen
@Deb-8-a-bull
@Bones
How did he do it?
He did it any way she wanted him too, and the longer { time wise } the better. :---)
Oh lord! Please dont stop doing it!
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@oromagi
i'm dreaming of a white england
As when the celestial object struck Earth Ice age Canada ---12,000 years ago--- and releasing fresh water from lakes and ice into the Altantic disrupting the salt water beltways from around tip of south Africa and beyond.
First time I heard about that was in documentary "After the Warming" narrated by English dude James Burke. 80's 90's. https://shop.nfsa.gov.au/after-the-warming-series and as I recall that led to winterizing or re-winterizing Europe.
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@FLRW
Why did God use atoms to create the Universe?
Huh? Ive never stated such and never would. Your spouting non-sense for which there exist no evidence of, much less rational, logical common sense to lead to such a conclusion. unless, your mindset is that of some Greek philospher from 1000 years ago or so.
1} our finite, occupied space Universe/God is eternal ergo not created,
2} from evidence, scientist speculate no atoms existed for some time after the BBang { Fred Hoyle }/WOW!, i.e. there was liquid quark soup before atoms came to exist after the most recent WOW!/BBang,
3} cause, effect and resultant is process of occupied space, not of Meta-Space{ Meta-physical-1 } mind/intellect/concepts, i.e. acccess to mind is resultant of brain/nervous system that sorts the info, finds cause, effect, resultant patterns of relationships, and then applys that knowledge { info } to self and environment, ---labeled as creation/invention--- that, is a resultant of cause and effect, ergo,
4} there exists only the illusion of free will of humans to label themselves God and thereby allowing them to do unconscionable stuff, that, is immoral, and lacks any rational, logical common sense pathways of thought.
Bones and 3Ru come closet to absolute to recognizing the truth of this topic. Hats off to them
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@FLRW
Why did God use atoms to create the Universe?
Huh? Ive never stated such and never would. Your spouting non-sense for which there exist no evidence of, much less rational, logical common sense to lead to such a conclusion. unless, your mindset is that of some Greek philospher from 1000 years ago or so.
1} our finite, occupied space Universe/God is eternal ergo not created,
2} from evidence, scientist speculate no atoms existed for some time after the BBang { Fred Hoyle }/WOW! { Fuller }, i.e. there was liquid quark soup before atoms came to exist after the most recent WOW!/BBang,
3} cause, effect and resultant is process of occupied space, and complemented by ---not implemented by-- Meta-Space{ Meta-physical-1 } mind/intellect/concepts, i.e. acccess to mind is resultant of brain/nervous system that sorts the info, finds cause, effect, resultant patterns of relationships, and then applys that knowledge { info } to self and environment, ---labeled as creaton/invention--- that, is a resultant of cause and effect, ergo,
4} there exists only the illusion of free will of humans to label themselves God and thereby allowing them to do unconscionable stuff, that, is immoral, and lacks any rational, logical common sense pathways of thought.
Bones and 3Ru come closet to absolute to recognizing the truth of this topic. Hats off to them. Meta-Space mind/intellect/concept access is a resultant of, not the cause. Or as Fuller states it and I paraphrase...... "experience precedes thought"...i.e ' with no experience of a something { occupied space } there can be no acccess to mind/intellect/concepts.
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@FLRW
FLWR, that is not fair, because most people are aware of just how smart a Trumpet orangutan can be and Trumpet is most likely one of the more intellectual orangutan's.
Many if not most of the people at DArt are behind the 8-ball of intellectual integrity and moral integrity.
The first evidence of this gulfstream destablization came in 2016. This above is just the latest pin in Trumpeteers donkey ass. ;--))
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o there are two, three and maybe four and soon more methods to measure the rate of expansion of our finite, occupied space Universe.
To get to main points, go to 9:00 to begin if your short on time.
This video from the PBS Spacetime LINK is my newest favorite and shows the crisis between the 1} standard candle parrallax method on cosmic ladder of step by step rungs to further away objects, and 2} cosmic background radiation { CMB } that, measurement at quantum planck scales { ESA }.
1} Woman Swan Levitt discovered way to have standard candles stepping stone ladder to knowing distance ergo rate of expansion, found by Hubble, and involved paralax, that, has been refined by newer satillites, and shows rate of expansion at around 73 whatever labels,
2} European Space Agency Horizon satelite { see 9:00 in vidieo LINK }quantum scale measurements CMB that come in around 63 whatever, and,
that is the crisis concerning determining density of and/or whether Dark Energy is a constant { natural presumption } or has a changing value over time.
So, if you have time to put aside Green House Effect { see Fullers "Critical Path" mention of it }, and Delta variant [ CoVid2 } misinformation conspiracies, the check out this video.
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Those irrational, illogical lack of common sense people who first said the the Earth is not warming { 80's 90's } then later on 2000's began to concede the truth, but to this day still claim humans have nothing to do with erratic climate change, need not apply to this thread, as humans dont need to hear anymore nonsense from these types of people.
..." In recent years, scientists have warned about a weakening of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), which transports warm, salty water from the tropics to northern
Europe and then sends colder water back south along the ocean floor.
Researchers who study ancient climate change have also uncovered
evidence that the AMOC can turn off abruptly, causing wild temperature
swings and other dramatic shifts in global weather systems." .....
Another thing not predicted by climate change models, was the recent slowing of the jetstream causing extreme heat domes over western USA.
100 year events will increasingly become the new normal in less than 100 years. Call me a pessimist, but I dont see humanity uniting around a common goal of rational, logical common sense pathways to preventing extinction of humanity on Earth.
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@RationalMadman
...not sure what you're going on about....
Sorry, I used English words. I can give you link to English dictionary to help you.
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@RationalMadman
You have confused a Chinese thing for being Japanese.
That, and that it began with sea peoples of south east Asia thing, more specifically, which could include people from south east Asia, riding the Japenese current and eventually making their way to N. America. Fuller mentions that one of the words for bottom of boat or canoe, is similar to roof of house in Japan. I asked Japenese person about this and the said not so.
Well Fuller spent time in Japan, designing his floating 'Triton City' for some Japanese if not other times for other reasons.
Or as Bucky Fuller states, when humans learned to sail into the wind, by tacking back-n-forth, they had begun to against God, and the go-with-flow, of the winds of life carrying us where it may go.
LINK to dhow boat images https://www.google.com/search?q=dhow+boats+images&client=firefox-b-1-e&sxsrf=ALeKk02v4oEYfy9HIBzDV0m455UfJPr0ug:1628219849637&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilvoPOt5vyAhUZQ80KHeQVDz4Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1280&bih=813
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@Tradesecret
In the evening we go to sleep, in other words we die, and then in the morning we rise, we are resurrected.
" Vertical is to live, as horizontal is to die "...Bucky Fuller { ' Earth Inc ' 1973 } and that is four years after his " Utopia or Oblivion " excerpts of his talks book }.
..we are the stuff of stars or cosmic star stuff. {?} ...Carl Sagan 1980's?
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@zedvictor4
@drlebronski
.."about to come to the end "....is relative to what time scale?
Ex, if Pakistan and India decided to explode all of their hydrogen bombs, we may see the ' end of humanity ' with a year or two, or three or four, because of loss of enough critical sunlight for, who knows how many months.
Erratic Climate Change, in of itself --i.e. with indirect no effects of humans making and error with hydrogen bombs or hacked electrical grids globally---, is probably going to take at least 50 years, to end humanity. The more time the greater the percentages of erratic climate change having some synergetic effect, that, would end humanity 2 - 500 years. I dunno.
However, with enough erratic climate change, and I can envision, side effects involving human actions, that, hasten the end of humanity.
Biden has more experience on the global political scene, than Trumpet. If others give that kinda of experience a zero, then, so be your value system.
I think even China { powerhouse } would respect Biden more, even as they are playing the ' saving-face-game ' of politics.
Iran, may not respect Trumpet more, if Trumpet backs unfair { to them } military viewpoint only.
N. Korea? May not lead to critical loss of sunlight globally, like Pakistan and India, so, Biden may not be as personally chummy as Trumpet, or the basketball { Rodney } player, yet, I think he would have more empathy for the people of the country, if, he felt Kim Pooh was backed into corner, and want o avoid that potential mess of man with moderate detrimental brain fart.
Sure, Biden is taking strong stance with Cuba, but they dont appear to have much nuking capability, and loosing the peoples support. Maybe USSR-like scenarios, all over again. I dunno.
Russia { nukes }-? Ukraine { nukes? }. Israel { nukes }. Belarus { no nukes }. Turkey { no nukes }.
Biden { and people around him } ---84% saving the world of unknown future----
Trumpet { and people around him } ---think of Regans secretary of defense { Al Haig, who claimed that he was now in charge } after Regan was shot---- ergo, 11% saving the world.
Obviously Trumpet had some { not all } people of good wisdom, ---military and other---, some of which may have felt this white house needed some integrity on the inside to keep USA safe from Trumpet narrcissm.
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@MisterChris
...Climate change is damaging.....
Erratic Climate Change, because of global warming, may be more damaging, than the usually slower climate change, associated with ice ages.
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@TheUnderdog
@Theweakeredge
@Bones
@drlebronski
Satirizing reality: { Warning! }
000} Global ' Peackeeper{?} ' hydrogen bombs ---Pakistan an India alone, could end humanity on Earth from the amount of sunlight that would lost over several years ergo kiss most crops on Earth good bye---- >
1} > State ' peacekeeper ' ----- richer { gold rules } states allow for next in line size of ' peackeepers ' small scale nukes, and small scale thorium nukes for households globally ---
2} > > Local small ciities { >15,000 } ' peacekeepers ' ---richer { gold rules } allow for tanks, bazookas, rapid fire gatlin guns { see black hawk helicopter }----
3} > > Local neighborhood { < 1000 } ' peackeepers ' ----open carry as much firepower as a person can carry on their person or in their vehicle, small rockets, any caliber of rapid fire hand held rifle or pistols----
4} > > > Think of all the money saved with no crimminals alive to put in prisons, ergo no prisons, no police necessary cause all criminals and violence crazies are dead, money saved on no court systems cause all dispute settle with gun fire, and the lists of economic savings goes on and on.
5} > > > Any or all of these would also resolve 8 billion and rising overpopulation for systems in place of people on Earth, ergo ecological systems that sustain us would less strained
Obviously regulating firepower is only found in the immoral dummies guide to stupidity on Earth. You know who you are so you might as well consider your self to be safe nowhere on an Earth, that, is full of rational, logical common sense people super well armed and ready to use them arms to keep you in your place.
...............................space(> @ <) i (> @ <)space...............Universal { God } peacekeeper is ______?
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Lake Powell, 2nd largest reservoir in USA has fallen to lowest records ever.
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@RationalMadman
@Tradesecret
Molecular rule: Share not with your cousins what you would
not have them share with you.
Ex CoV-2, or herpes, or any number of bacterial or viral organisms.
Embracing contractive { mass-attractive }, cohesion love is symbolised by /\ enclosure i.e. stabilizing integrity of a whole set
Radiational { dispersive } love is symbolized by Y i.e. open triangular set, that, radiates love until it hurts, at cost of self stabilizing integrity.
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@Sum1hugme
There is no such thing as non-occupied space in reality.
1} I agree, and glad to see clarify. Truly non-occupied space is was surrounds/embraces our finite, eternally existenct finite, occupied space Universe, and, for the most part irrelevant to the topic of Dark Energy accelerating the seeming expansion of Universe and this occcupied space between some galaxies, some quazars and Earth, and other.
.....1a} or perhaps the truly non-occupied space outside of Universe is relevant, the energy of physical reality tends to rush in ---or in this case, rush out { expand } to fill that the vacuum of such a truly non-occupied space bordering the surface perimeter of finite Universe... Place that scenario the side, for now........
Even if you take all the matter and radiation out of a piece of space,
2} Ok so the finite set of space, within Universe were considering, if all matter { fermions ex plasma/free electrons, an neurinos, quarks etc }, and,
....2a} EMRadiation { photonic bosons }, two quark mesons { weird bosoninc strong nuclear force }, weak force { W+ W- and Zo }, and gluons { strong sub-nuclear force },
It [ space ] will still weigh something.
Meaning that weight is equal to mass? So maybe it has the Higg field quantum God particle{ mass-energy ergo a boson{s} } and resultant of 01} { kinetic energy, 02} potential energy, 03} mass that this trinity equals mass-energy LINK ? i.e.Higgs bosons out there in this not truly non-occupied space, under our consideration, and were trying to relate to Dark Energy.
That's because "empty space" is actually a churning mess [ mass/Higg field of bosons ] of random energy spikes because of the inherent vibration of quantum fields.
So this bosonic, Higgs-field of mass ---or create mass in the "space" under our consideration, and you refer to this Higgs field as "vibration of quantum fields". yes no? If no, not Higgs quantum fields, then please specify what quantum fields your refering to out there in this "space" under our consideration?
As of now, scientists are suggesting there is a quantum field of repulsive Dark Energy, and this repulsive Dark Energy is the occupied space medium that is expanding, and carrys along any Higgs field --- or some other not mention above---, with it, and this means the galaxies { themselves presumed not to be expanding from Dark Energy{?} } moving way from each other because Dark Energy and Higgs field is expanding.
Ok, so is that as scenario, that more closely relates to what scientist mean, specifically when they say "spac" is expanding, with accelleration?
PLease elaborate or correct were i'm in error with my understanding of your understanding etc.
Ok, except wait, since you took out EMRadiation { photons } to describe other basics of "space", but between these galaxies, quasars and Eart etc, there do exists photons,, of specific wave lenghts of red frequency.
3} and scientist believe what causes this red freqencey is that these photons are emmitted from stars in galaxies that accelerating from us, and this red frequency has nothing to do with Higgs field ---or some other quantum fields you have not specified--- causing the red frequencies.
4} I'm just looking for all the specifics to best of you knowledge laid out as clearly as possible for lay person and those who familiar with some of players.
Again, my sugggestion is that sine-wave existence is getting closer to the mechanisms of ultra-micro, negative shaped Dark Energy )( and that may be we why we have a perception of Universe expanding. Ultra-micro Dark Energy travels outward at some angle to our sine-wave existence perception, and we see this divergence becuase our sine-wave existence { reality observed quantised and quanitfied }, has a perception of red frequenceies.
I'm not expert, just looking to consider if there is truly a radial { 180 degree } distance of expansion, or misleading negative { saddle-shape } of toris that is at less than 180 degrees that affects what our sine-wave existence is percieving.
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@Mesmer
You have a dreadful habit of derailing a lot of conversations with ideologically possessed babbling about Trump and his followers.
Trumpet { ex-president of USA ego government } and trumpeteers { majority of republicans in office } = dreadful political concerns
If you find yourself in dreadful state, just follow GP's lead, get a dog, with hazy rainbow glasses and repeat this phrase....' what, me worry '....
3 { triangulation aka to get a fix/location on something } times 66.4 { Cosmic Pi-Time } time speed-of-radiation = a value that equals the number of humans on Earth around 2013 - 2015. Add in 7 generations is about 210 years { old indian saying for considerate humans to think of consequences of their actions out 7 generations into the future, ergo,
my end-date-for-humanity 2232 { approximately }. So if that prognostication has any validity to it ---please share if you have a better end-date---, then who or what is controling this that or who, may be pivotal in whether that end-date comes to fruition.
Mesmer, have you ever seen the movie Dr Strangelove with Peter Sellers? Governments built ---or paid to have built--- and have authority of all hydrogen bombs on Earth. LINK
.....' Why Dr. Strangelove is more depressingly relevant than ever
...' Fifty years after its release, Stanley Kubrick's Cold War classic still has plenty to teach us about global politics '.
...' Fifty years after its release, Stanley Kubrick's Cold War classic still has plenty to teach us about global politics '.
I can easily picture Trumpet as Dr Strangelove and the cult trumpeteer followers cheering them all the way to ground, or as Sadolite has stated about humanity, ' good riddance '. Hey I understand his sentiment. I too go through those phases of consciousness. I generalize all trumpeteers, but it is not fair cause were all humans with varying degrees of sympathy for Trumpet and his republican cohorts.
I sure as hell dont want Trumpet or any of his ilk --Qanon, paranoid Lizard peoples conspiracies etc--- near any authoritarian access to hydrogen bombs, and other powers that be with government.
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@Greyparrot
Europeans don't get the reference. It's part of American History.
Trying to compare Trumpet and trumpeteers to Bruce Willis yippie kye yay cop cowboy character, is a bit like trying to compare Bugs Bunny to Marilyn Monroe.
Government is good and bad but all Trumpet and trumpeteers, Qanons etc want to see and is the bad, a false narrative more bad and repeated false narratives of extreme bad. Trumpet and trumpeteers only see bad except when they look in the mirror, then they see only good, excessive good, and extreme good.
Narcissism is a disease that cause dysfunction of the brain. ...' what me worry '...see icon of dog with rainbow hazed glasses, aka, GP on trumpeteer high.
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@Sum1hugme
What is Space Sum1? I gave you the answer in #8.
....' A non-occupied space does not expand-contract, and your hoping that it does, is wishful thinking your part Sum-1..
..' There
exists two primary kinds of Space, occupied and non-occupied. '. You dont get it do you Sum-1? Or is just your ego doesnt want to acknowledge truth when exposed to y ebuc?
..' This abov is
rational, logical common sense you have yet to grasp and have yet to
identify what the specific characteristics of "space" that is presumed
to be 'non-occupied{?} yet expanding, and, if it is a medium that can expand, then it can also
contract, just as any other occupied space medium does.
So Sum-1, is your "space" that you reference occupied? With what exactly? C'mon, drop your ego and address the specifics of truth Ive laid before you. You can do it.
Or maybe you cant. Maybe your ego is too much for you to control. The ego drives and your just a passenger so you have no responsibility to address the truths laid out before you.
Kind of like Arnold the Terminator telling the officer to ..'talk to the hand'.... cause the rational, logical common sense mind is in the passenger seat just along for the ride and no responsiblity to find and acknowledge truth out in front of them.
I'm waiting, tick, tock, tick tock, tick tock,......
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@Greyparrot
Live free or die trying.
Spoken like a true Trumpet, trumpeteer cultist. Sad. Anti-mask or die, anti-vax or die, anti-moral integrity or die, anti-compassion or die, etc.
The point is to have compassion for humans. A minimal standards
set for living. If Trumpet and trumpeteers empathy centers in brain are inactive then of course you will
never understand or feel compassion for other humans, unless, like narrcistic and immoral Trumpet, they kiss the earth you walk on. Sad :--(
Yeah, and unfortunately that is 8 billion plus-rising, with anti-qua-ted operation systems that, are destroying the ecological systems that sustain us, with toxins i.e. particles of this and that in larger amounts in places where they do harm to the eco-systems that sustain us.
..Trumpeteer candidate in 20 16, 2020..'what me worry'... Alfred E Neuman for president https://www.chisholm-poster.com/posters/CL50915.html
I believe, that MRI scan of Trumpet and his trumpeteers compared to normal people { some bell curve average } we would find irregular abnormalities. They have some sickness in the brain.
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