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@3RU7AL
NEW NORMAL = POLICE STATE
resultant of pandemic.
Melbourne on brink of TWO YEAR lockdown - [LINK]
resutant of pandemic
New Zealand is forcing positive tested individuals AND THEIR FAMILIES into Quarantine Camps - [LINK]
Resultant of a pandemic
CDC gives three-month window of immunity after COVID-19(84) infection - [LINK]
See my covid19 thread started five months ago and read similar type stuff. LINK
CDC WARNS THAT RECOVERED PATIENTS WILL PROBABLY TEST POSITIVE FOR 3 MONTHS AFTER RECOVERY. - [LINK]
See my covi19 thread started 5 months ago LINK
Get ready for your "vaccination shots" every 3 months!!
See my recent posts in my covid19 LINK been there and familiar with these concepts ergo old news
More detail from a medical professional,
Nothing is more important as time is very short - the Government of U.K. is voting for a TWO YEAR extension of their "emergency" COVID-19(84) powers in September 2020 - the first 6 months was a disaster - this must not be allowed to continue. Trafalgar Square, London Saturday 29th August 2020 at 12:00
See above mentioned LINK with what youve said and so much more
NEW NORMAL = POLICE STATE
Societal norms have always changed aka circumstances alter cases. The year is 2020 and this is how many pandemics in the life of humanity on Earth.
Influenza kiilled off 2/3 of humans on Earth in 1918. That was the new norm then as were face masks.
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@zedvictor4
You seemed to be suggesting that Pi and physical laws were thus.
IVe never stated Pi or laws have properties. Where to do get these false ideas. Show me the quote that states such or infers it.
Only occuppied Space has properties.
You seem to be contradicting yourself with this statement.
Again, yu need to show me the two or more comments that are contradictory. You havent done that.
Well in all honesty, no one else on DebateArt attempts to understand your output because of it's vagueness and rambling nature, whereas I at least try.
Yeah and that is one or more egos speaking not who are not interested clearly laid out, and rather simple, rational, logical common sense. If you think most here are some kind of angels that dont allow their ego to get in the way of truth, your way to naive.
A GOD principle is a simple proposition, that attempts to combine or reconcile the naivety of religious hypotheses with the fundamental complexities of a universe.
Your God priniciple is rambling and vague at best.
Further to this I simply suggest a sequence of universes enabled by the GOD principle. That is to say, an infinite sequence of finite universes, rather than one finite or infinite universe.
IVe been over this with you and others for years now. There is no infinite except as a concept ex concept of infinite this, that or another, and the macro-infinite non-occupied Space that embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied Space Unvierse.
If your commemt mean something other than what I just stated, then, your incorrect.
integrity = finite, whether structural or systemic
infinite = lack of integrity
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I don't subscribe to naked appeals to authority.
Yes you do and you posted the authority Fauci in one of your recent posts ---date of interview I dunno-- however, Fauci and all expert authories have changed ther viewpoints over time and may change them again in future.
FACT: the contaminated water droplets you breathe are 1 micron in size.
Never disputed that
FACT: none of the masks reliably stop particles smaller than 3 microns.
again, not disputing but a key word here "reliably" i.e. not perfect, howver, may offer some protection.
FACT: none of the masks are airtight, THEREFORE, even if they did reliably filter your contaminated breath, unfiltered breath passes by your cheeks and chin.
again not disputed nor ever have, THEREFORE Ive heard you several times now. And the video with Fauci and WHO lady state, that masks are effective used with hand washing and whatever else and even more effective if a person is infected. Well who knows who is infected? No one does and some tests may or may not be 'reliable' to date.
So if every one wears mask and attempts to follow guidlines then those who are infected are less likely to infect others, as stated by the WHO official you presented, just as you presented Mayo clinic and presented a Mayo clinic reference.
You cant have it both ways 3R. Especially when I'm not and never have disputed your FACTs presented.
THESE ARE VERIFIABLE FACTS. THESE FACTS ARE NOT IN DISPUTE BY ANYONE. YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED ANY COUNTERFACTUALS.
You presented Fauci, Mayo and WHO and some propaganda dude going off with red herring emotional words like 'soviet union' playbook red scare propaganda and this or that 'technocrats' stooping citizens from having fun, as if there is big world wide set of integrated 'techocrats' out there in a consspiracy to 'humilate' all human on Earth for what ever reasons.
How about to retard a viral pandemic. Get real 3R as you playing into the hands of uneccessay paranoia
FACT =/= "NARRATIVE"
Facat, narrative can be fact, just no neccessarily so.
Watch 15 seconds of this interview with the OFFICIAL AUTHORITY.
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VENTURING INTO PUBLIC SPACE WITH A MASK IS A DEATH SENTENCE.
3R now you just presenting over dramatic falsehoods. Yes, I believe everyone on the planet will eventually become infected.
That is old news from Feb, at least to me. The question is, whether when we become infected we have had a vaccine or antibodies to ward off death from any virus not just covid19
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.."In simple terms, GOD principle assumes certain universal properties, requirements and an ultimate achievement."..
I dont know of any "universal properties" ie apply to every occupied Space entity phenomena of our finite, occupied space Universe, other than perhaps, they each have and inside and outside, a spin, and they all are an cocupied Space. Universe has no purpose. /achivement. Only humans apply purpose/achievement.
Ok. So fair enough, multiverse has an established meaning, though it should have been clear that I subscribe to the notion of a sequence of uni-verses, based upon the finite possibilities of a single universe and the potential of the GOD principle/absolute truth.
All local universes are connected by Gravity and sum-total as the one Universe aka Uni-V-erse. Seems simple to me.
So, Pi + all universal properties (physical laws) and the consequent evolution of matter to a perfect and ultimate state = GOD principle = re-initiation and continuation of the sequence.
You left all of the other mathematical constants e phi. And there exist many more of a finite set, that complement a finite, occupied Space Universe.
YOur God principle is to vague and rambling for me.
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@3RU7AL
If you're in any building with other people wearing masks, you're going to breathe in their 1 micron breath particles NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND.
Not neccesarily as many as if you did not wear any mask, because, you do not really know the density of the the particles in every public settings set of circumstances inside a public buiding. Ex Ive heard for many months that good circulation of air helps reduce the chances of spreading the virus. And not I do not the specifics of how that works, if it truly does.
yes, sunlight will kill a virus. That seems slightly off-topic.
Not if people are outside in public setting and the sun is shining the chance of infection is lessen by social distancing, masks, and sunlight if not some degree of hotter temperatures, or so Ive heard over the months.
Masks help reduce the spread, and the better the mask the better the retardation of virus
Same goes for social distancing etc. Yes inside a building the chances of infection rise considerably and all the more reason to wear any face covering, because, masks collect dust and dust spittle and other tha all help to bock out any viri because, some percentage of the viri will get caught in the bog of debri.
These viri do not have a mind of their own and look to find the pathways through. They are just floaters and get stuck on stuff like dust, spittle snot etc ergo a mask offers some protection irrespective of how much it is some.
Yes that is my oppinion cause Ive not develed deep into research of the specific numbers for actual real world examples inside various stores with varioous amounts of sunlight and ventilation systems all of the many differrent kinds of masks being worn. I.e there are many factors involved in many various cirumstances.
It starts with those who are infected ---knowingly or not--- to wear a mask as the mask will reduce some degree of there spittle ergo viri bogged in the spitttle ---if for no other reason mass-attraction to the spittle/flem in their mask.
Lets see now, do we have people going into stores and restaurants with bags collecting the air to sample how many viri with a volume of air? I doubt it, but maybe. And even if they did, circumstances will be differrent in may some rural setting where there is overall low infection rate in counted, as compared to some bigger city or meat factory city etc.
Circumstances later cases. And one of the circumstantial factors is masks.
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..."The claim that the masks themselves stopped the spread of the virus is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE."..
3R, that above appears to mea as a false narrative, because, nowhere in the Mayo clinic article I referenced, did they state what you say above. If they did,please point the exact statment in that referrence to me. Please.
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CLAIM #1: Truth is, masks other N95 make a differrenceAny mask that is not airtight will NOT stop your 1 micron breath particles from infecting your fellow citizens.
Ive already addressed this an you ignore, I never saind "stopped". Please read what I wrote instead.CLAIM #2: as does social distancing.Your infected 1 micron breath particles remain in the air for SEVERAL HOURS. It doesn't matter where you stand.
Yes it does matter where you stand. Inside in closer quarters, or ouside in sunlight. Fauci says sunight disintegrates the covid19. Ive heard this for many months now. I think the same can be said of higher temperatures but not sure at what temp the virus will become to come apart.
Are really going to continue to make baseless claims without presenting any evidence?
I addressed your Mayo clinic and added one Mayo of my own, tho not sure if it is from same date. My claims are not baseless, unless you want disregard Mayo on you presentation and my recent one.
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All ready addressed your points your not addressing mine including first response to you May clinic post.
Here is another reading of the same or other from May clinic
...."Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of the COVID-19 virus when they are widely used by people in public settings. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic have successfully slowed the spread of the virus."
Maybe my first Mayo clinic response did not you meet your axioms ---I dunno cause you never addressed those specifics of my reply--- and here above is 2nd set of maybe other related to Mayo clinic.
Hope you can address them this time. Ive addressed your facts and never disputed some masks are better than others. You need to address mesage #99 and this one respectfully or in respect of my responses, to Mayo, twice now, 3R.
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Truth is, masks other N95 make a differrence as does social distancing. Are really going to dispute this two truths? Are you going to dispute only one of them? Which one?
FACT: IF YOUR MASK ISN'T AIRTIGHT, THEN YOUR CONTAMINATED BREATH STILL LINGERS IN THE AIR AROUND YOU FOR SEVERAL HOURS.FACT: IF YOUR MASK DOESN'T BLOCK PARTICLES SMALLER THAN 1 MICRON, THEN YOUR CONTAMINATED BREATH STILL LINGERS IN THE AIR AROUND YOU FOR SEVERAL HOURS.Please challenge my axioms and or point out a specific logical error and or provide a counter-factual.
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You will feel air passing unfiltered on both sides of your face.TRY FINDING SOME FACTS THAT SUPPORT YOUR HYPOTHESIS.
Old news Ive already addressed masks of anykind retard the spread of covid19 and yes some are better than others.
1} medical personal should be first to get best masks availble until there is not shortage,
2} who can afford the best? Not me,
How many more pages do I have to find to every satisfy those who fear a rather simple, rational, logical common sense based truth, masks make a differrence, as does social distancing etc. We dont live in perfect world 3R. If we did every one would have a N95 and that aint going to happen anytime soon, so we do what we can to retard the spread of covid19.
At least some of us do.
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I also take note of a few other interesting findings.
The longest set ---most consecutive set--- of digits, 41, with no doubles occur on line five - six, between 00 and 00.
The longest set --most consecutive set-- of double digits is line four, 77 111 777.
And again, of special note, of all of the numbers, there is no double 55's until we get to 555 on line seven
And out of curosity ---as derived from twin primes in rational whole number line--- I placed in brackets the twin doubles and take note that none of the twins are the same set of digits, except for on line six we have {111 2 11}
Now Phi:
1.6180 {33 9 88} 749894848204586834365638 11 77 20309179805762862135 44 86 22 705260462818902 44 970720720418939 11 374847540 88 07538689175212 66 33 86
222 353693179318 00 607 66 72635 44 333 890865959395829056383 22 66 131 99 28290267 88 06752087 66 8925017 11 69620703 222 104321626954862629631361 44
38149758701 22 0340805 88 795 44 5474924618569536486 444 92410 44 320 77 13 44 9470495658467 88 509874 {33 9 44} 22 125 44 8 {77 0 66} 4780915 88 46074 99
88 7124 00 76521705751797 88 341 66 256249407589069704 000 281210427621 77 111 777 805315317141011704 666 5 99 14 66 9798731761356 00
67087480710131795236894275219484353056783 00 22 87856 99 7829 77 8347845878 {22 89 11} 097625 00 30269615617 00 250464 33 8243 77 648610283831268 33
03724292675263 11 65 33 92473167 {111 2 {11} 5 88} 1863851 33 1620384 00 5 222 16579128 66 752946549068 11 31715 99 343235973494985090409476213 222
981017261070596 11 64562 99 09816290 555 2085247
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...."Humans have never been particularly good at eradicatingentire viruses, and COVID-19 might not be any different.
......More than 19 million people have tested positive for thecoronavirus globally, and at least 722,000 have died. In the U.S., nearly 5million people have tested positive and more than 160,000 have died. Whilescientists are racing to find a cure for the virus, there's a chance COVID-19will never fully go away — with or without a vaccine.
But that doesn't mean everyone will have to self-isolateforever.
Vineet Menachery, a coronavirus researcher at theUniversity of Texas Medical Branch, told NPR's Weekend Edition that one of themore likely scenarios is that the spread of COVID-19 will eventually be slowedas a result of herd immunity. He said that he'd be surprised "if we'restill wearing masks and 6-feet distancing in two or three years" and thatin time, the virus could become no more serious than the common cold.
But that doesn't mean everyone will have to self-isolateforever.
Vineet Menachery, a coronavirus researcher at theUniversity of Texas Medical Branch, told NPR's Weekend Edition that one of themore likely scenarios is that the spread of COVID-19 will eventually be slowedas a result of herd immunity. He said that he'd be surprised "if we'restill wearing masks and 6-feet distancing in two or three years" and thatin time, the virus could become no more serious than the common cold.
.....On why it is so hard to eradicate this virus
....The first thing to remember is that we haven't beensuccessful at eradicating many viruses at all. Really the lone exception issmallpox, but many of these viruses exist not only in the human population butin animal populations. So coronaviruses may be removed from the humanpopulation, like SARS coronavirus in 2002, but we know that those viruses orviruses that are similar to it still exist in nature and at any time they maygain the tools to reemerge in humans again.
....The first thing to remember is that we haven't beensuccessful at eradicating many viruses at all. Really the lone exception issmallpox, but many of these viruses exist not only in the human population butin animal populations. So coronaviruses may be removed from the humanpopulation, like SARS coronavirus in 2002, but we know that those viruses orviruses that are similar to it still exist in nature and at any time they maygain the tools to reemerge in humans again.
....On the outlook for COVID-19 immunity as morepeople are exposed to the virus
....So it's still up inthe air. COVID-19 is really unique in a couple of different ways. One, like thecommon cold coronaviruses, it spreads very easily, but unlike those, thiscauses this severe disease. What we know about the common cold coronaviruses isthat the immunity to those don't actually stay that long. So what is not clearis if immunity will wane over time and that in two or three years you could beexposed and get this virus again. Similar to how you could get the common coldcoronavirus every few years.
....So it's still up inthe air. COVID-19 is really unique in a couple of different ways. One, like thecommon cold coronaviruses, it spreads very easily, but unlike those, thiscauses this severe disease. What we know about the common cold coronaviruses isthat the immunity to those don't actually stay that long. So what is not clearis if immunity will wane over time and that in two or three years you could beexposed and get this virus again. Similar to how you could get the common coldcoronavirus every few years.
.....On the other end of that, viruses like SARS and MERS, ifyou get those infections and you overcome them and you recover, generally yourimmune response lasts a long time. So what we don't know with COVID-19 is whichof these two poles it may end up at.
....On what he predicts for the future for COVID-19
....On what he predicts for the future for COVID-19
.....I'd be surprised if we're still wearing masks and 6-feetdistancing in two or three years. I think the most likely outcome is that we'lleventually get to herd immunity. The best way to get to herd immunity isthrough a vaccine and some certain populations who have already been exposed orwill be exposed.
And then the expectation I have is that this virus willactually become the next common cold coronavirus. What we don't know with thesecommon cold coronaviruses is if they went through a similar transition period.
And then the expectation I have is that this virus willactually become the next common cold coronavirus. What we don't know with thesecommon cold coronaviruses is if they went through a similar transition period.
.....So, say something like OC43, which is a common coldcoronavirus that was originally from cows. It's been historically reported thatthere was an outbreak associated with the transition of this virus from cows tohumans that was a very severe disease, and then after a few years, the virusbecame just the common cold. So in three to five years it may be that you'restill getting COVID-19 in certain populations of people or every few years, butthe expectation is hopefully that it'll just be a common cold and it'ssomething that we can just each deal with and it won't lead to hospitalizationand the shutting down of society."....
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@3RU7AL
Try reading your own source material.
I allowed you to cherry pick for me. Thank you for doing so.
At this time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved any type of surgical mask specifically for protection against the coronavirus, but these masks may provide some protection when N95 masks are not available.
Ok, not sure of the date, but irrespective of when it was written;
1} not approving them does not mean they do not retard the spread of covid19, when used,
2} they even state that ..."these masks may provide some protection when N95 masks are not available."... My guess this is article is older, cause of way the speak of N95 masks avaibility. I dunno
Notice how this article only details "N95" masks, and ignores the more common surgical style masks and random pieces of cloth "fashion masks".
Ok, so without clearly stating so, you infer that beyond the N95 masks, all other masks do not, or do not significantly retard the spread of covid19.
I disagree. So does Fauci apparrently, unless the article interview I presented is incorrect. Your never going to convince me masks do not help to prevent spread of convid19 3R. It violates common sense and evidence.
Play again with some more cherry picked articles from google pages? Or should I get a list from another search engine ex Bing or I forget who else exists anymore.
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So.... Do we also agree that a universe dictated by said "truth" is "finite"?
I never said anything Universe being "dictated" about Metaphysical-1, absolute truths.
Zed, some small engines and maybe some larger ones have what is called a governor mechanism, so it governs how fast the RPMs --via gas and air flow-- the engine can run. That mechamsim is occupied space part, not a Metaphysical-1 absolute truth.
Metaphysical-1, cosmic principles truths physical laws etc do not govern or control Universe. Do you understand? They are complementary to occupied space mecahnisms they are not occupied space mechanisms of dictations, control or governance.
As said truth or GOD principle has physical limitations dictated by "physical laws".
False. Occupied space Universe is dictated by Gravity, Dark Energy and all subsequent fermionic matter and bosonic forces.
Does your cosmic trinity (which I far from fully understand) extend beyond the limitations of a singular finite universe.?....Multiverses if you like, though I prefer to consider the idea of sequential universes.
Zed havent we been on this road before. There are not multi-verse Universes. Uni = 1, not 2 or more. Any or all occupied space universe's are all minimally connected by Gravity ergo one Universe. Do you get it? There is not mega-verses, only ht eone Universe composed of many parts or many local small u, universes if you must have them defined in some way or another.
So one final proposition for you to consider......The truth or GOD principle is that which ensures the continuation of a universal sequence, and that which dictates a preordained evolutionary progression towards a final goal (re-initiation), of which humanity and it's knowledge is a crucial part.
1} I have no idea what your "GOD principle" is, ...not do I think you have any idea what it is you think your thinking....,
2} does the finite, occupied space Universe reset itself for a next WOW! aka the male Big Bang! or the pregant female Big Grunt!? I dunno but I suspect it does. See Roger Penroses Conformal Cyclic Universe. LINK HERE
Ive been following Penrose ever since his book the The Emperors New MInd in the 90s. Thats when I first read Lee Smolins books also.
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3R, heres another probably not in the google pages I linked to previous.y, but it may be.
..."McConaughey rapidly fired questions at the 79-year-old doctor on everything from how concerned people should be about getting the virus from touching a door knob (not as much as sharing close physical space with someone who is infected, Fauci says) to whether Advil makes symptoms worse (it doesn't).
"OK, true-false: Sunlight kills the virus?" McConaughey asked.
"It does," Fauci replied, supporting a theory pushed by President Donald Trump. "That's the truth." "................................
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...Show me the data you have on the efficacy of the general public wearing random pieces of cloth over their faces.
Here are at least 13 pages of such viagoogle. You can cherry pick the ones you like.
I can find other such pages via other search engines that you can then also cherry pick the ones you like.
Its common sense 3R.
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The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” [LINK]
Where does government does not exist for the security of their peoples, and that mandantory wearing a mask in places of social distancing is not enough to retard a pandemic significantly.
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It's "security theater".
Yes thats correct governement is a security theater amongest many other things, all sum-total to a secure, heahlty and prosperous nation. Whats wrong with that?
AND IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF GOVERNMENT JURISDICTION.
Says who? And why do you think its "beyond governement jurisdiction?
IN THE SAME WAY THEY CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES IN A NATURAL DISASTER.
Again a differrent scenario and set of circumstances with differrent resultant potentials.
You'll notice that masks may reduce the range of a sneeze, but thousands of virus particles bypass and penetrate the mask AND linger in the air for hours, regardless of whether you wear a mask or not.
3R, if you seriously dont think masks make a signifcant retarding of the spread of covid19, then you not recognizing factual truths. N.Y. hospital workers are one set of proofs.
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3ru7al, the pregnant woman is not the same issue and I'm surprised you conflate two seperate issues,
1} individual sorverignty choice of what to do with my body as long as I'm not causing other individuals harm or threatening them,
2} potential or real threat to others by not attempting to slow the spread of a deadly virus, until governments and medical society feel they have the pandemic under control.
......"The masks were called muzzles, germ shields and dirt traps. They gave people a “pig-like snout.” Some people snipped holes in their masks to smoke cigars. Others fastened them to dogs in mockery. Bandits used them to rob banks.
..More than a century ago, as the 1918 influenza pandemic raged in the United States, masks of gauze and cheesecloth became the facial front lines in the battle against the virus. But as they have now, the masks also stoked political division. Then, as now, medical authorities urged the wearing of masks to help slow the spread of disease.
....And then, as now, some people resisted.
....In 1918 and 1919, as bars, saloons, restaurants, theaters and schools were closed, masks became a scapegoat, a symbol of government overreach, inspiring protests, petitions and defiant bare-face gatherings. All the while, thousands of Americans were dying in a deadly pandemic."
This is not to say that banana republic deaths ans injustices, or avacodo deaths injustices etc dont deserve warranted attention, they are more complicated and not a direct threat to peoples of those countries who eat their product.
Covid19 is a potential direct threat if exposed to someon one who is infected.
3ru7al, are you serious and anti-masker? These anti-maskers remind me of ciggerrate commerical from 60's of a Taryton brand smoker with a black eye and their motto is ...'I would rather fight then switch'....to another brand and so dumb cause irrespective of the brand, ciggerrets is going to mame and kill you.
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..."So is what I refer to as a GOD principle the same as what you refer to as eternal truth?"...
I dunno
"....All the necessary data required to perpetuate a universe or universes."...
Yes, that is where live, eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe as the only perpetual motion machine, that is complemented by, a finite set of eternally existent --ergo inviolate and non-contradictory--- cosmic principles aka physical laws aka Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
As always my Cosmic Trinity Outline List is where others need to start to if they want to grasp the most comprehensive whole set with no parts being left out
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I take note of the following triple 555's and no 55's { interesting? } ergo the first 555 and all other doubles and triples that occur before 555
..."Leonardo Fibonacci discovered the sequence which converges on phi. In the 1202 AD, Leonardo Fibonacci wrote in his book “Liber Abaci” of a simple numerical sequence that is the foundation for an incredible mathematical relationship behind phi"....
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377
Here below I show the results of my investigations for 55 in the phi number line and what stood out to me is that, a double set of the digits 55 do not occur before we get to a triple set of 555
However, I counted the number of #5 digits before 555 and found there were 54 such #5's. So that is one short of 55, #5's. H,mmm?
11 = 10 of them ---two triple 111's and that is 2nd only to triple 2's---
22 = 10 of them --three triple 2's { we have a winner $$$ }-- the only prime, even number of Universe, is #2
44 = 10 of them -- one triple 4's--
88 = 9 of them ---zero triple 8's
00 = 8 of them --one triple 0's--
33 = 8 of them ---one triple 3's---
66 = 8 of them -- one triple 6's---
77 = 7 of them --how appropriate eh?---- one triple 7's--
99 = 6 of them and --how inappropriate, upside down 6 and 9--- zero triple 9's
Now Phi:
1.6180 33 9 88 749894848204586834365638 11 77 20309179805762862135 44 86 22 705260462818902 44 970720720418939 11 374847540 88 07538689175212 66 33 86 222 353693179318 00 607 66 72635 44 333 890865959395829056383 22 66 131 99 28290267 88 06752087 66 8925017 11 69620703 222 104321626954862629631361 44 38149758701 22 0340805 88 795 44 5474924618569536486 444 92410 44 320 77 13 44 9470495658467 88 509874 33 9 44 22 125 44 8 77 0 66 4780915 88 46074 99 88 7124 00 76521705751797 88 341 66 256249407589069704 000 281210427621 77 111 777 805315317141011704 666 5 99 14 66 9798731761356 00 67087480710131795236894275219484353056783 00 22 87856 99 7829 77 8347845878 22 89 11 097625 00 30269615617 00 250464 33 8243 77 648610283831268 33 03724292675263 11 65 33 92473167 111 2 11 5 88 1863851 33 1620384 00 5 222 16579128 66 752946549068 11 31715 99 343235973494985090409476213 222 981017261070596 11 64562 99 09816290 555 2085247
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.."...So let me put it another way....Was Pi always there to be found?"....
Yes, and now you finally appear to be getting your head around what and absolute truth is. Welcome to the Universe of eternal truth Zed.
I knew you would get here sooner, or later. Now we see how long before you fall of the wagon train of truths
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..."Is Pi an innate universal component or just something that humans contrived to assist with their contrived mathematics?"..
Again, Archimedes was first known human to approximate the Pi value. It is not "contrived, it is absolute truth discovered by humans.
You seem to be being kinda moing towward some kind of superstition about an absolute mathematical truth i.e. like many other humans, your trying to read some thing in to transcendental ratio that is not there. If you find something other than the circumference-to-diameter ratio of a presumed perfect circle please share.
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...."Did Archimedes the Albatross actually calculate and transfer Pi to knowledge?
Or was Archimedes the Albatross just simply, unknowingly instilled with Pi. "...
Enough of that scenario Zed.
Archimede's the man was greatest of ancient mathematicians and the first to come close to calculating Pi via is geometrical inscribings, and of course that is not any of the pre-humanity non-sense you invoked.
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@sadolite
...."Civilians are expendable, they are not even a consideration when you want to win a war. Sucks to be a civilian in a war. Better to choose sides and fight."...
Highest place is ...'all I will do for death is to die for it'.....and that takes as much, or more courage, than all the others.
......'Eye for and eye leaves whole world blind'....
.....'Are our children more precious than theirs?'........
In the year 2525 remake LINK we see the black and white dystopia coming...whoa oh whoa..... Zager and Evans
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@zedvictor4
.....Was Pi a known quantity pre-humanity?".....
..."At the other end of the scale, the wandering albatross – arguably the biggest flying animal on Earth – can cover more than 9,000 miles (5,500km) in a single trip. These birds can easily beat Phileas Fogg's challenge: one was tracked circumnavigating the globe in just 46 days."...
Yes, there was bird named Archimedes who lived 10 million years ago, and his repeated circumnavigations of the Earth led him the first calculations of Pi. Damn birds!
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Mentally a 9.5 out of 10
Physically a 7 out of 10
Emotionally a 8 out of 10
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...." A global positioning system (GPS) device uses data from satellites to locate a specific point on the Earth in a process called trilateration. To trilaterate, a GPS receiver measures the distances to satellites using radio signals. Trilateration is similar to triangulation, which measures angles, depicted in this illustration."...
To triangulate is to get a fix on a location or an occupied space something.
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Where soul **, meets spirit :--), meets Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
Part 1: Evolution of Pi
1D Pi is ratio ofcircumference of perfect circle { area } to the diameter of same circle and topologically the the mininal 2D circle, is a triangle. { area }
Pi = 3.14 15 92 65 35 89 79 32 38 46 26 43 38 32 79 5
..........14 is 2 * 7...........................................................................
.......................................7 falls in 14th overall position.....
...triangle has 3 lines/edges/vectors ergo 3 lines edges plus a little bit more is 3.1........
Pi^2 = 9.86 96 04 40 10 89 35 86 18 83 44 90 99 98 76 2
............2nd occurrence 89 and here it falls just before 5 * 7 = 35
....Pi^3 i.e. { XYZ powering } = 31.00 62 7 66 80 29 98 20 17 54 76 31 50 67 10 1
......................................falls in 7th .....#7 ..............and in 14th position again........
..............................................................and again in the 24th overall position 7............
..............31 bilateral spinal nerves ergo 62 total spinal nerves...........................................
...........................................double 00's seperates 62 further from rational whole number 31.
Pi^4 / 4 = 24.35 22 7 27 58 50 06 09 30 91 10 08 31 72 17 6
...this latter above being what I called renormalization of Pi^4, to XYZ { space-volume format }...
.....................falls 7th position.............
..........5 * 7 = 35........................................................28th position ergo 4 * 7 = 28.....
Pi^4 - 31 { XYZ } = 66.40 90 91 03 40 02 43 72 36 44 03 32 68 87 05
.......alternate renormalization of P^4 via substraction of the XYZ whole number 31 value........
Pi^5 = 306.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4...
Pi^5 - 31 { XYZ } = 275.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4
Pi^5 / 5 = 61.20 39 36 95 70 56 29 06 52 54 82 62 00 86 87
................................2nd or 3rd repeat of double 00's........
As for the double 00's --Mr Bond-- we find below on Pascals Triangle LINK ---which is same as Fullers triangle of the Vector Equilibriums surface triangle frequency occurrences--- occurs at the 24th frequency ergo the 13th vertex and is as follows......1001, 2002 and 3003.....as found in rational whole numbers so not the exactly the same methodology.
Pascal Triangle see LINK of hexagon/spherical patterning 12th frequency ---ergo 11 simplex--- is the 13 vertex i.e. hexagons/sphericals i.e. if we count 12 hexagons/sphericals on left or right side we have the lateral line as follows;
1, 12, 66, 220, 395, 792, 924 STOP and reverse order <<<<<<<<<<< and this lateral line is 13 hexagons/sphericals.
I say hexagons/sphericals, because I believe we directly relate this Pascal triangle to the surface of the VE and its associated frequencies. Now were finally getting clarity of what is what and how they all relate.
55 being on the lateral line higher ergo 11 hexagons/sphericals, 11th frequency ergo 10-simple polytope.
So back to my 55 queries because 55 is the 11th number on Fibonacci line if we count 0 and the 10th number if do not count 0.
Fibonacci line...0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 and we take note of 144 for being 12 * 12 and,
the the number of tetrahedral quanta in the rhombic dodecahedron in the Concentric Hierarchy. LINK and ZOOM in for finer detail
The 5's start reoccuring at the 5th frequency of Pascal ergo the VE.
......1-5-10-10-5-1.........2 * 5 = 10
1-6-15-20-20-15-6-1
1-7-21-35-35-21-7-1 and 7 * 5 = 35 and this looked familiar to me via my Pi-powering research see P^4/4 above
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One Uni Two Uni, Three Uni Four
.....ebuc8
A God, by any other name,
is Miss Universe, unless of course,
she's pregant i.e. one in0the-oven, ergo,
Mrs Universe with,
12-around-1 sphericals, in 3D,
ergo or 6-around-1, in 2D.
one in the oven that is,
nucleated, ,and awaiting contraction.
When pulling in comes to shove,
we have expulsion Houston,
welcome to the world, little bublelike,
local universe.
Weve been epecting you,
here at the Cracker Jack Palace LINK
we want welcome you,
to the planet Earth, and,
the other,
8 billion souls, awaiting expulsion,
or just more expansion.
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Where soul **, meets spirit :--), meets Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
Part 1: Evolution of Pi
1D Pi is ratio of diameter of perfect circle { area } to the diameter of same circle and topologically the the mininal 2D circle, is a triangle.
Pi = 3.14 15 92 65 35 89 79 32 38 46 26 43 38 32 79 5
..........14 is 2 * 7...........................................................................
.......................................7 falls in 14th overall position.....
...triangle has 3 lines/edges/vectors ergo 3 lines edges plus a little bit more is 3.1........
Pi^2 = 9.86 96 04 40 10 89 35 86 18 83 44 90 99 98 76 2
............2nd occurrence 89 and here it falls just before 5 * 7 = 35
....Pi^3 i.e. { XYZ powering } = 31.00 62 7 66 80 29 98 20 17 54 76 31 50 67 10 1
......................................falls in 7th .....#7 ..............and in 14th position again........
..............................................................and again in the 24th overall position 7............
..............31 bilateral spinal nerves ergo 62 total spinal nerves...........................................
...........................................double 00's seperates 62 further from rational whole number 31.
Pi^4 / 4 = 24.35 22 7 27 58 50 06 09 30 91 10 08 31 72 17 6
...this latter above being what I called renormalization of Pi^4, to XYZ { space-volume format }...
.....................falls 7th position.............
..........5 * 7 = 35........................................................28th position ergo 4 * 7 = 28.....
Pi^4 - 31 { XYZ } = 66.40 90 91 03 40 02 43 72 36 44 03 32 68 87 05
.......alternate renormalization of P^4 via substraction of the XYZ whole number 31 value........
Pi^5 = 306.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4...
Pi^5 - 31 { XYZ } = 275.01 96 84 78 52 81 45 32 62 74 13 10 04 34 4
Pi^5 / 5 = 61.20 39 36 95 70 56 29 06 52 54 82 62 00 86 87
................................2nd or 3rd repeat of double 00's........
As for the double 00's --Mr Bond-- we find below on Pascals Triangle LINK ---which is same as Fullers triangle of the Vector Equilibriums surface triangle frequency occurrences--- occurs at the 24th frequency ergo the 13th vertex and is as follows......1001, 2002 and 3003.....as found in rational whole numbers so not the exactly the same methodology.
Pascal Triangle see LINK of hexagon/spherical patterning 12th frequency ---ergo 11 simplex--- is the 13 vertex i.e. hexagons/sphericals i.e. if we count 12 hexagons/sphericals on left or right side we have the lateral line as follows;
1, 12, 66, 220, 395, 792, 924 STOP and reverse order <<<<<<<<<<< and this lateral line is 13 hexagons/sphericals.
I say hexagons/sphericals, because I believe we directly relate this Pascal triangle to the surface of the VE and its associated frequencies. Now were finally getting clarity of what is what and how they all relate.
55 being on the lateral line higher ergo 11 hexagons/sphericals, 11th frequency ergo 10-simple polytope.
So back to my 55 queries because 55 is the 11th number on Fibonacci line if we count 0 and the 10th number if do not count 0.
Fibonacci line...0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 and we take note of 144 for being 12 * 12 and,
the the number of tetrahedral quanta in the rhombic dodecahedron in the Concentric Hierarchy. LINK and ZOOM in for finer detail
The 5's start reoccuring at the 5th frequency of Pascal ergo the VE.
......1-5-10-10-5-1.........2 * 5 = 10
1-6-15-20-20-15-6-1
1-7-21-35-35-21-7-1 and 7 * 5 = 35 and this looked familiar to me via my Pi-powering research see P^4/4 above
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@sadolite
...."Realist am I, study of history I do. Learn from it I have."......
..."UTOPIA OR OBLIVION.... LINK
Buckminster Fuller
1969.
British TV viewers may not realize that Buckminster Fuller was the subject of the very first science programme on BBC2, broadcast in April, 1964. He recalls this here amongst a torrent of reminiscences, reckonings and predictions, composing a brilliant, compressed guide to his ideas."....
1864
1874,
1884,
1894..elevator brake invented..til Einstein arrived :--)
1904,
1924,
1934,
1944,
1954, year of first atomic submarine the "Nautilis { admiral Rickover }, Fuller receives patent for geodesic domes. The Marine Corps experiments successfully with airlifting and delivery of small geodesic shelter .domes by helicopter.
1964,
1974,
1984 Orwells dystopia
1994,
2004,
2014,
2024...???????
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..."Look up Two-dimensional String Theory. String theory in two-dimensional spacetime illuminates two main threads of recent development in string theory:"...
When you have something more substantial to offer please share. Ive been clear for 15 years now, on how the most simplist scenario for hologrpahic ---ergo 2D-- Universe can be applicable.
It was the great mathematician Jacob Bekenstien who stated, that, ...'we appear to be 2D creatures having an illusion of 3D'.....
If you want to lean something about how this above this seems possible and I give simple example, as Ive done in other threads here and other forums for many years now. \Y/ is rough clue using texticonic characters and I'm just now noticing how it reminds me of the VW auto logo.
.....................................................Space(>*<) i (>*<)Space..................................................
............................................................( Time | Time )..............................
i = ego ergo Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
| = 2D slice-of-Time
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------------------------------->Arrow-of-time------------------------------------>
---->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Past---->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NOW | NOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Future>>>>
---->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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<<<<--------------Stream of consciousness * * <<<<<<--------------------------
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<---
Past<<<<<<<<<<Outgoing(>*<) i (>*<)Incoming<<<<<<<<<<<<<---Future
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<----
Heart has four chambers
Each hemisphere of brain has 4 lobes: frontal, temporal, parietal, and occipital
4-fold octahedron ---3 axis { XYZ } orthogonal{ 90 degrees } planes--- four axi associated with its 8 surface equilateral triangles.
These four axi are common to:
3-fold tetra{4}hedron
4-fold octahedron ergo also the cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron
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5-fold icosa{20}hedron and its dual the pentagonal dodecahedron
Octahedron via cubo-octahedron is the heart of the Universe coordinate system. It is media betwe 3-fold and 5-fold ergo mediator.
See Jacob Bekenstiens Bekenstiens bound LINK wherein he discoved that the entropy of a black hole is in defined by ---or associated with-- the formula, A/4, i..e A { area } of black holes event horizon divided by four. The spherical cubo-octahedron has four equaltorial bisecting planes ---circular axis planes-- that define it and these four planes area are exactly equal to the circumferential surface of that spherical cubo-octahedron.
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@FLRW
..."All subatomic particles are composed of 2 dimensional strings. Isn't that proof that the universe is a simulation?"....
Where did you learn that from? How did you come to that conclusion? Do you actually have any rational, logical common sense pathways we can follow to arrive at same conclusion?
2D is an area ergo 2D "strings" are an area.
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Part 1...where soul meets the spirit meets the mind....
Unified-8-Dynamic vs Static Scenario Universe { not a matrix }
Jim Lehman has done an excellent job of commensurating the static 5-fold, with the static 4-fold, Isotropic Vector Matrix{ IVM }, without affecting Fullers static Concentric Hierarchy { LINK }. However, I think we all tend to forget the dynamism of the transformational VE { cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron } via jitterbug. LINK-1 and LINK-2, which only show a some phases of the VE/jitterbug transformations.
Not shown are its double sine-wave patterning ex as is found with the electro-magnetic sine-waves, negative shaped curvature --- see saddle negative curvature on inner surface of a torus--- and other exotic configurations I can go into later.
Some years back I posted ideas of unification of 5-fold and 4-fold by adding 8 icosahedra to outer surface of the VE’s { cubo-octahedron } 8 surface triangles. 16 icosahedra if we put an icosahedron on each side of the VE's 8 triangle surfaces/openings i.e. the nuclear icosahedron, would actually be 8, valenced icosahedra.
With dynamism in mind, Fullers first step was to conceptually axis spin the primary 5-fold and 4-fold polyhedra on their 5-fold 3 sets { 6, 10 and 15 } great circle planes and on the 4-fold VE’s 4 sets of axi { 3, 4, 6, and 12 } great circleplanes { LINK } This in turn produced the 25, 4-fold great circles, and the 31 left and 31 right ---total 62--- skew icosahedral great circles.
And we could do all of that within context of the IVM or Jims 5-fold Icosa-Stellate-60 Matrix, ---associated with his commensurate 5-fold and 4-fold Pentagonal Vector Matrix aka 'Lehmanville'--- just as we could do that with set of overlapping VE within the IVM. However, none of that nesccesarily invokes the transformational processes of the VE, as the 4-fold, cubo-octahedral jitterbug.
Some years back, Jim very graciously made a few graphics for me ---based on the Unification ideas I presented above-- and to investigate, and they pretty much all involved Euclidean version of the VE and icosahedra with some surprises as to what was created inside the VE, when the VE transformed to it octahedral phase, and next it tetrahedral phase/configuration.
1} So that was a brief venture into Unification via dynamism of the VE jitterbug with the attached icosahedra. However, we never had any graphics of those dynamics with 25 great circles or the 31 left + 31 right-skewsets.
2} we never had any of those dynamics with those abstract great circles applied as the axi of great tori.
O|O was the icon I used for me Unification-8-Theory of Everything at that time some years ago. This icon represented the a flattened VE { cubo-octahedron } ----partial reference in LINK-2 top of page--- via its jitterbug transformations and I associated withthe the heat death of our finite, yet eternally existent, occupied space Universe { Uni-V-erse } wherein there was a left and right skew set of 31 greatcircles sphericals on each side of the flat line VE...... O|O..........
These two sets overlap with the flattened VE's 25 great circles, and the two overlap and imprint upon each other all of there great circles, or at least the would if they were all Euclidean polyhedral to begin with ergo, spherical makes it a little hard to say what looks like wha texactly.
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..."Am I correct in understanding that you support the model of reality where we are in an endless cycle? Meaning that the end of reality was the cause for its origin?"..
If by "reality" you mean our finite, eternally existent, occupied space Universe, then as ascertained by obsevation and subsequent investigations, the 1st law of conservation...'naught is created nor destroyed'..... And be clear, this is seperate issue from any ...'heat death of Universe'... scenarios.
1} there is no origin of Universe, and,
2} there is no absolute end, ---in time--- to Universe i.e. occupied space Universe is eternal and in eternal transformation, with a finite set of parameters. One of those parameters Ive mentioned many times here and at last Dbeate.org, ..there can only exist five regular/symmetrical and convex, polyhedral of Universe. Never less and never more.
My preference for defining reality, is that which exists as ---inside the tubular torus---- a resultant of a;
1} positive shaped Gravity ( ) on the outer surface of a torus, and and,
2} a negative shaped Dark Energy )( on the inner surface of the same torus.
(><)(><) = bisection of horizontal torus { doughnut } with inversion-outversions occurring from peaks of curvature of outer and inner surface, define a sine-wave pattern /\/\/\/\/\/\/.
I derived { deduced } this conclusion after turning my numerical four level/line pattern inside-out, wherein I found all prime numbers ---except 2 and 3--- to be associated with the peak of positive curvature ergo gravity i.e. 1, 5-7, 11-13, 17-19, 23, 29-31 etc on the top line.
Reality is defined by two inside-the-tube lines associated with the numbers, that follow a sine-wave pattern /\/\/\/\ i.e. 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24 etc.
The bottom line is the remaining numbers not on the other three listed above ergo, 2-4, 8-10, 14-16, 20-22, etc.
Hope that helps you to better understand where I stand on issue of reality and Universe.
Reality = Observed Time = quantised if not also quantified particles by humans, ergo fermions { matter } and bosons { force }. and most if not all of those have been associated with a sine-wave pattern /\/\/\/ ergo associated with our known reality.
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@sadolite
..."Ya that would be a loser for sure, taking anything off the table is signaling and telling the enemy of your weakness"...
In this day and age, there are many weakness and every one knows what man of them are.
Covid19 is just one way oblique of doing what nations only think about doing to another nation{s}.
Nukes take out all nations ergo global M.A.D.-ness. Electro-mangetic dirty bomb is a little more specific.
Genetics, chemical germ etc may get out of hand. So were back to the good old tried and true --but mostly banned--- land mines.
Nobody wins in war. Everyone looses in way or another. Except of course the rich. But they do loose also, in ways we have not yet thought of ex the pollution of the planet affects there future offspring for generations to come.
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.....“It will go away like things go away.”
— Donald Trump
......“Nothing ever goes away until it has taught us what we need to know.”
— Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön
...".Last week we looked a the physical side of Covid. This week we’ll explore the mental side. According to a study published in Lancet Psychiatry, 39 of 125 hospitalized Covid patients in the UK had altered mental status, although only 16 showed brain inflammation or swelling. Of those with no physical signs of brain damage, 92% were new psychiatric diagnoses: 43% had new-onset psychosis, 26% had a neurocognitive, dementia-like syndrome, and 17% had an affective disorder. While most of those who experienced a stroke were over the age of 60 (82%), about half with an altered mental state were under 60 (49%). About 26% of patients with new-onset neuropsychiatric disorders were in their 20s, 30s, and 40s.
.......In another study in Spain neurologic manifestations were seen in 57.4% of 841 patients hospitalized in March and 4.1% of their deaths listed neurologic complications as the primary cause. Disorders of consciousness (hallucinations, loss of senses, or cognitive deterioration) were nearly twice as high (38.9%) among patients with severe Covid-19. 14.9% had delirium and 9.4% went into coma. While coma and stroke emerged in later stages of the progression, decaying neurologic symptoms emerged throughout all phases of infection.
The Economist reported:
The mere fact of being in an ICU can also lead to cognitive impairment. The effect of more than a week in intensive care is comparable to that of a major head injury. The problems are linked to the delirium people often fall into when severely ill and heavily sedated in an unfamiliar environment. Delirium is a particular problem with Covid-19, says Dale Needham of Johns Hopkins University. Patients spend a long time in the ICU during which they see no one they know — and the strangers caring for them in heavy-duty protective wear “look like aliens.”
The mental impairment brought on by Covid compounds the problems of coping with the pandemic, and also with the many other crises that pre-existed Covid. It is similar to the compounding problem of lead poisoning in Ancient Rome that reduced mental capacity at a moment when the Empire was increasingly under siege. High-born Romans sipped beverages cooked in lead vessels and channeled spring water into their homes through lead pipes that likely increased lead body burdens by hundreds of times. This disproportionately struck the wealthy, Senators, courtiers, and others of elevated social rank. By making their leadership stupid, the Romans essentially decapitated themselves. From about the first century BC, the culture lost its progressive edge and fell into wine, orgies, and watching cooking show reruns on TV.
Various cultural critics have associated the start of the USA’s social collapse with Ronald Reagan’s dismantling of the fairness doctrine at the FCC, allowing Fox Corp, MSNBC, and other agenda-driven “news” outlets to ramp up fake news into ubiquity. How often have you had to endure a propaganda stream worthy of North Korea while sitting in the waiting room of your dentist or a public health clinic?
Other historians have flagged Newt Gingrich’s Contract With America that brought scorched earth policies to the Grand Old Party and replaced collegial compromise with Mitch McConnell. Costly government shutdowns for no apparent reason apart from a test of wills became de rigueur rituals of manliness. Governance by uncompromising partisanship was, to governance, “as miniature golf is to golf,” a senior congressional reporter said at the time.
....For my part, I’d place the USA’s descent into the present internecine bloodbath squarely along the timeline of any post-classic civilization at that precise point where a gentle glide path from complexity to simplicity becomes Lord of the Flies.
...Enter the plague. How an organized, well-educated, science-based culture deals with a relentless zoonotic outbreak is very different from how a pack of gibbering Spring Breakers or Xanax-swigging couch potatoes do.
......The seeds of American dysfunctionalism were planted when English settlers arrived in Jamestown and Plymouth and later took the remaining parts from the Dutch, French, Spanish and Russians, oh, and not to mention the indigenous peoples. Their perverted strain of brutal exceptionalism has been described with an equal measure of admiration and horror by historians from Alexis de Tocqueville to Sarah Vowell.
...But the cancerous product of digital media we see today is not confined to the US. It’s spreading seen and unseen everywhere, even to Wuhan. Social media, going back to the Zuckerberg/Winklevoss origin story from Harvard in the 00s, is based on remorseless, non-human algorithms that exploit confirmation and normalcy biases, tribalism, discount factors, and hunger for approval, to generate ad-revenue-generating page-views.
Positive feedback mechanisms are always dangerous because they can and will spiral out of control. Pandemics, defense budgets, and climate change share this attribute with Twitter, Face, WeChat, WhatsApp, Instagram, and all the rest. They are gremlins that should never be fed after midnight. But clandestine social engineering, intended or unintended, corrupts the foundations of the growth that sustains it. It gnaws away at human potential and faith in empiricism the way acid rain erases hieroglyphs in Egypt.
....Covid is swarming with positive feedbacks. A dearth of tests allowed unconfirmed cases to create still more cases, defeating contact tracing and flooding hospitals, which ran out of beds, masks, and protective gowns. Social media amplified Trump/Johnson/Lopez-Obrador/Bolsonaro misleading messages, which elevated fear and anxiety, which caused people to spend more time scouring for information on social media, much of it false or misleading.
....In some warped sense, digital mass communication might be viewed as a balance nature has supplied that will eventually restore the proper order of things; an over-arching negative feedback. Whether it ends the world by zoonosis or by a nuclear exchange based upon divergent readings of the footnotes in the Muller Report is not yet knowable.".....
Ed Yong, in “How The Pandemic Defeated America” in The Atlantic, wrote:
Clear distribution of accurate information is among the most important defenses against an epidemic’s spread. And yet the largely unregulated, social-media-based communications infrastructure of the 21st century almost ensures that misinformation will proliferate fast. “In every outbreak throughout the existence of social media, from Zika to Ebola, conspiratorial communities immediately spread their content about how it’s all caused by some government or pharmaceutical company or Bill Gates,” says Renée DiResta of the Stanford Internet Observatory, who studies the flow of online information. When COVID‑19 arrived, “there was no doubt in my mind that it was coming.”
Sure enough, existing conspiracy theories — George Soros! 5G! Bioweapons! — were repurposed for the pandemic. An infodemic of falsehoods spread alongside the actual virus. Rumors coursed through online platforms that are designed to keep users engaged, even if that means feeding them content that is polarizing or untrue. In a national crisis, when people need to act in concert, this is calamitous.
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@MisterChris
...."Then there is caffine and rare occasional eating of some THC product."...
I sitll do occasional Psilocybin and that is closet to acid. Two good movies out. First is documentary interview with the three people who made most of the acid in 60's. "The Sunshine Makers". Hard to find this flick.
The other is documentary interview with comedians and actors who have done acid. "Have a Good Trip: Adventures in Pyshcodelics"..and it is on netflix.
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@MisterChris
..."I need the drugs this guy is on"..
I never got mothers milk, so they may explain some of my cold heartedness.
As child built model cars so glue was unintentionally inhaled.
At 12 would sip parents whiskey to get quarter of 50 cents from older brother to impress his girl friends
At 15 got drunk on beer, wine, champagine and barfed on way home
walks
At 15 smoked not real good grass, but could tell no effects, except maybe the snow seem to have red colored tinge to it, perhaps from sunlight
At 16 dropped hit of blue pentagon acid, --took 2 hours before I go off--- and 1st encounter with good grass and had wonderful trip in room with blue light, piano and people sitting or laying around listening to Beatles music. First night away from home without parents consent.
17 with three friends in my car and two of us each got a 6-way hit of Window Pane. A pinhead size crystaline between two pieces of scotch tape. Had drug induced pychosis for next 8 hours. It was my first bad trip even tho I was high until the depressing come down. Some say it was cause speed cut in with the acid. Lucky my best friends, for the most part, kept me from hurting myself or unintentionally causing others to get hurt.
.......was in blame that I had done a bad thing cause my consciousness behavior had gotten out of hand, so I got a kithchen knife in the early morning, went for a walk and thought of killing myself. Then I thought about my best parents, who were alcoholics and my friends parents who were alcoholics and how my buddys and myself were alive because we kept their father from falling asleep and crashing car, on several occasions on the nights I ride home with them and sleep over.
The another school buddy and I went to park and these guys asked if we wanted to try some Angel Dust. Ok, were young and dumb, so he takes a match out of a match book, turns it upside down, and feathers the end of it, then sticks it into the white powder and has us stick it in our noses and inhale. I think he then gave us ride over to the one friends house, and for about 40 minutes he and I had the highest euphoric experience Ive ever had in my life since that time. And the come down was God awful worse than the come down offf the 6-way Window Pane or anything in my life,
--- ...later years I found out Angel Dust was PCP and who knows what it may or may not have been cut with----except for 30 years later, I dropped a heavy board with a rusty 16 penny nail stickin gout of it, right into the top of my foot into the bone. I laid on bed writhering in pain trying all kinds of positions on the bed ----just like when I did the PCP/Angel Dust, to get my consciousness to find a way out of the awfullness.
Finally a friend brought over to me my first ever hydrocodone pill. After half hour and out of pained I hugged her and told her I loved her. No, I was already married so we didtn marry :--)
So go over that and in my last month of high school as junior I did Orange Sunshine and then Purple Micro-dot and went to morning classes at school. Gym class was cetrainly fun out in the sun playing soccer. But in English class I just sat there looking out window at the trees full tree limbs of leafs and how they seemed to be breathing and when teacher came over to ask my where my papers were, she is looking down at me in my chair, and Im thinking as she is looking at me, she probably sees my pupils are extremmely dilated. So som how I get out the words 'I left my papers at home' and she just shakes her head back-n-forth and walks away, probably knowing there is something not right with this young man.
So I stop doing chemicals { acid } for two years, but when I came back at age 19 my friends said the had some strawberry mesc. So dropped it and had a good trip. But I told them it felt like acid and the said, it is acid, and I'm like, I thought you guys told me it was mesc-aline. No man, we thought you knew.
So I did some more acid Purple barrel, White Lightenting and then one of those good buddies is seeling 4-way hits of Window Pane, and go into use bathroom and he has spilled his bottle of 200 hundred hits into the bathroonm sink, and is using his finger tips to try stick to them an dput them back into the bottle.
....so I attempt to help him, and I have one of the hits on my finger tip, and I say oh, why not, and put it on my tongue. Bad idea! So this hit took half hour and I was off, so not quite as bad as teh 6-way hit, but once again, drug induced pychosis for about 8 hours. This is now 2nd time my two best friends have had to babysit me.
So then went on to do Peyote a few times and that always put my state of conciousness into the best placed, and not only that, but that feeling of consciousness, would linger with me for 2 or three days. Peyote is my favorite above all the others, but grass helps with all of them.
So, never did acid again for 30 years, the tried blotter acid on paper cause I had never tried it. Very mild could hardly tell anything.
Now I do two mikes hard lemonade every night, and moderate my pain pills with my moderation of sleeping pills and various herbal pills for this or that.
Overall, I'm in good shape, for the shape I'm in. Tho my bad cholestrol is way to high. So I do drugs for that as well.
Then there is caffine and rare occasional eating of some THC product.
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..."The mass is you or I."
Ok then I addressed that in post #7.
You would seem to be suggesting that we are an amalgamation of "twilight organisms".
No where have I stated that what you say here above, nor inferred such ever in my lifetime. Twilight organisms are viri, and not biological cells. Do you understand? Ive expalained repeatedly in this thread.
.."Which is a fascinating concept. So based on that suggestion we can further suggest that the function and processes of the mass are wholly reliant on the function and processes of "viri"."...
Again Zed, where you get this idea from I have no idea. You need to read what I stated, not what your constructing in your own mind.
..."Relative to my previous questions though, how or what gives these twilight structures a potential other than just chemical structure?"...
No one considers viri to be alive. Thats why there called twilight organisms by Fuller. Once again, their between biological cell and mineral.
..."If we regard the evolution of everything in terms of increasing scale of structure, could we not therefore suggest that "life" is perhaps a fundamental potential/component that reacts with specific chemical structures.....The real GOD particle perhaps."...
Life is differrent things for differrent biological creatures and all biological life is a synergetic resultant of those processes, i.e, the biological life is not predicted by the sum of parts of any biological entity.
If it were, then humans would have, or will in the future, create biological life. I dont think it will ever happen. We had this disscussion in the old debate.org with whats his name magic something or another. And he gave links to these sites where he claimed humans had created a biological cell. NOT.
Then there was another dude in that forum or some forum and he was predicting humans would create biological life with 5 or 10 years. Aint going to happen.
Biological life is a resultant of processes based on carbon, along with all the others involved.
Biological life is not specific thing seperate ---i.e. that can be isolated away like we can with most elementary particles or atoms--- that some would call spirit. Spirit is the synergetic resultant that we more specifically --and I personally--- refer to as the soul.
Soul = biological life.
Biological life is composed of many spirit-2 particles, ----fermions and bosons--- that in sum-total. create a synergetic resultant we call biological life.
( * i * ) some biological life has access to Metaphsyical-1 mind/intellect/concepts ergo an ego { i }, to whatever degree.
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Bill Clinton balanced the federal budge, as best as I can recall.
Bush Jr sent us in a nose dive and Regan raised taxes --as they all do--.
Obama pulled us out of the worse financial crisis.
Don Trumpets corrupt immoral practices have cost the US more than an other president, even when ratio of fiscal considerations over time.
Ex is uttery mismangement of covid19 costs skyrocketed not going to get better anytime soon.
Republicans send economy into tailspin, and democrats pull us out. We need to get the loony tunes out of state and federal office for starters.
Then we need to address more global issues, that will get any candidate thrown in jail, cause it puts global concerns above USA only ---short-sided-- concerns.
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Running Strong For Ameican Youth....Idian Country News regarding Covid19
..."The greatest amount of freedom calls for the utmost degree of individual and collective discipline.”......
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..."So is the life of the mass, only function and process relative to the function and processes of "twilight organisms"?"..
Zed, I have no idea what mass your refering too:
1} viri{ twilight organisms } with only only RNA or DNA, never both. They do not reproduce on their own, whereas,
............do they need oxygen? I dont know if they need anything i.e. there like a mineral........
2} biological cells { RNA and DNA } --- and compound thereof--- do reproduce on their own, via cloning themselvess, asexual, or sexual.
.............do all need oxygen? Some biological cells ---anaerobic or aerobic--- live in pure sulphur pools, others live in radio-active water around the plutonium rods, and then then there those of fungi, algae etc
..."Is the mass fundamentally an amalgamation of such organisms and do said organisms have potential that exceeds the potential of the mass?""
Again you keep referring to some mass, and I have no idea what mass your referencing.
..."Therefore is the human understanding of life based only in consciousness rather than in physical processes?"....
Ive never made any such statement. Various kinds of biologic life need various kinds of energy input. The one thing they all have in common ---including viri--- is that they are carbon based organisms.
Viri, if they have needs, it also may vary, however, what may be more important to them, is what will cause them to disintegrate.
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..."I’m just pulling your leg. High level humour."..
Well Reece, your too high for as i still dont get it or feel my leg being pulled.
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Previously I stated, that, I wasnt sure if relating/asscoiating entropy and time ere correct, valid legal or whatever.
When I want some intelligent ideas ---not neccessarily correct--- I many times go to quora, See LINK for above, and once I did I was reminded of how I had seen entropy and time association considered in my past years of research.
..."The ordering of events in time can in principle include both constructive and destructive processes. The notion of time ordering is not dependent on entropy. We cannot infer absolutely that time causes entropy or that time is necessarily a measure of entropy.
...The second law of thermodynamics is only an empirical law not derived from first principles from which we can only infer that an increase in entropy over time is probable. It is contradicted in Loschmidt's paradoxasserting that the reversible nature of processes as exhibited in both classical and quantum mechanics demands that reduction of entropy over time is in fact possible.
....If one presumes inherent randomness in the universe as in the Bohr quantum interpretation, then constructive processes become inherently much less probable than constructive ones and there would be a direct relation between time and entropy. In this case we could say time would be a measure of entropy but we could not infer a direct causal relation between them.
...At the same time, by any interpretation of the quantum no information is ever lost globally and each event happening in time creates new information resulting in an exponential increase in information globally in apparent contradiction to the local entropy where quantum information is lost locally into space at light speed never to be regained until the distant future where it has effect elsewhere."...
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..."Anytime buddy."...
Reece, "Anytime" regarding what specifically?
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....."This is where he lost me xD"...
A crooked line { black }, that defines a complex , ---i.e. having peaks and valleys, aka concavities and convexities--- 2D plane circumference { around the surface } of the 5-fold icosa{20}hedron.
Thanks to your query, I found an error on my part. There is only five of these quatorial, complex { zig-zagging }hexagonal planes. I confused those five, with icosahedrons 6 conceptual spin planes. Two differrent things.
It is much easier to see the four equatorial, 2D, hexagonal planes of the 4-old cubo-octahedron, as the are not complex i.e. no zig-zag involved. See LINK
Also sorry for all of the spelling errors. I get these ideas written out and often to not do a good editing job, of my poor grammar abilities.
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