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@ILikePie5
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Sure, i'll sign up, just don't expect a ton of activity from me, ive got a busy couple of weeks ahead but I usually check the website 2-3 times a day to post sometimes.
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Yeah, sorry about that Banana. Hope I haven't put you off too much about playing Mafia. You were easier to push because your role fit a you!scum narrative better, particularly with the "An investigative villager was interfered with Night 1" info from Day 2.

I was trying to apply the idea that a story that both gets you fully from Point A to Point B in an easy to understand way and is presented confidently is sometimes considered convincing enough to be evidence on its own. Didn't work here, huh?
Don't be sorry, you were doing your job, I just don't know how to defend against it and am not very good lol, luckily whiteflame understood that though.
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yay town won! That was frustrating in the end lol
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yay town won! That was frustrating in the end lol
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yay town won! That was frustrating in the end lol
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I am not going to respond to everything line by line. I am just not. I don't have the time, and a lot of it is really just narrative spinning. I'll qoute things that seem relevant to make my point.

But really my whole point is what I was saying before; He has already decided that I am mafia and is making a case against me to fit his own narrative. Does he do this as town? Whiteflame is by far not confirmed either so it makes no sense for him to do this. This is why I think cerulean is probably mafia and trying to go for me, the weaker, easier target. I don't know all the terminology and mafia lingo so he thinks he can bully me into getting lynched because of this. He might be right, but I am going to go down fighting!

'Pie tells Banana to act like her role is a wolf one. We can't be sure if they committed to Banana being a Roleblocker early or if they wanted to leave the door open for a different role that's scum on the Guide, like Bus Driver."

"There may have been some discussion in the scum chat, but Pie presumably also tells Banana to go for the Roleblocker claim after Owen claimed Inventor Rolestopper."

If you think I am lying about my role, you have to remember I claimed this literally in my first post even if not directly. Post 25 I said "By the way, in this game I have been assured by the moderator that I am town, but I am confused, because according to earth Guide to Forum Mafia, my role is under Mafia Roles, but the moderator assures me I am town. So I just am giving a heads up this time around."

If you look at the mafia guide posted by earth the roles listed there are: Goon, Godfather, Stalker, Politician, Lawyer, and Busdriver." So unless you thought I was going to claim any of those roles, it was fairly obvious that I was claiming Roleblocker very early from my first post.

"-The Day ends with a lynch on Owen. Both Pie and Banana give the Two answer to throw off the investigation.
-I did make a mistake on this in my "story." Banana said zero, not two. This is still a little bit off, because if we consider the Owen death, that means Banana's POE at the time was Whiteflame, Pie, and Casey- one is strictly mathematically better if they all have equal odds. But more importantly, the thing here is that both of them picked different wrong answers. While that's true that all of us were wrong, Banana's choice doesn't align because she was different from Pie. It can easily be a form of distancing, because it looks like that was the team's Day 1 plan."

My point earlier, I am literally damned if I do, damned if I don't. He first uses this vote against me as a "They are trying to throw off the investigation", which was actually part of the reason I put 0 my vote, because I noticed pie not voting on a lynch but voting 2 people in his answer. Then he realizes his mistake and spins it that it is actually scummy of me to do this?! This is narrative spinning at it's finest. But from my perspective this vote was still the right choice. As of right now the POE is still the same, whiteflame, and pie were not on the lynch. We know pie was mafia and whiteflame's alignment is still up in the air, so from my POV this is still a  town move to vote 0 here. If ceru is mafia, then you have to change your argument to me only slightly sabotaging my answer since ceru was on the vote I believe. If you do that, you are literally damning me for any choice then you have to admit to some narrative spinning.

-The next Day, Pie pretends to be silenced in the hopes that it will get him townread. Banana claims to have blocked Pie as an alibi for Pie.

Another example of him literally taking anything I do that should be considered a town move, and spinning it to make me mafia. I literally Roleblocked a mafia member night phase one. And that is an alibi? What?! Obviously at this time I didn't know pie was even mafia though, so if anything it would make me look worse for visiting a person claiming to be silenced. It's only in hindsight of pie claiming to be mafia that we know this was a pro town move. And I claimed this immediately in my first post, there was tracking roles at the time that could have caught me in a lie if I was lying. So for your narrative spin to work here, you are operating under the assumption that I got super duper lucky to not be caught by casey, and even luckier still that casey was the night kill target. Anything I do that should be looked at as a town thing, you just spin to me having this master level degree in mafia psychology and doing it because you think I am actually mafia and every convenience just works out for me as mafia. Yet he says he is 70-80% sure I am mafia... Just wow...

-Pie follows the flow for the investigation. Banana probably intentionally skipped out on it.

Hey you got me here. Evil old banana, laughing maniacally and twisting my invisible evil villain mustache as I purposely just have an actual life away from you nerds. I was probably watching netflix or something, but no, as you say, yeah totally intentional. Literally don't even know how to respond to this without laughing at the absurdity of it.

Banana claims to have blocked Earth, but doesn't push it much.

You keep trying to spin that I ever claimed to have been suspicious of earth. This is just not true. I roleblocked him because as I said at the time, there was still some people holding lingering doubt about him, and if I potentially stopped a night kill we would have confirmation he was lying. It was a safe action that had nothing to do with me reading him as suspicious and didn't risk blocking a town power role. It seemed like a good option and I stand by my decision to do it. I was more sure of earth as town after doing so. Why would I "push" a town read?

Conclusion?

Anyways the following post is more of his story in detail, but I feel like I have responded to everything relevant here. I don't see the point in responding to hypothetical actions he thinks I would take because he randomly and arbitrarily decided that everything I have done in this game as some evil twist to it. I think that is very clear and spells itself out with his narrative spinning here.

The question is: Why go to the length to narrative spin and move the goal post of my actual intentions if he actually considered me to be town? I don't really buy ceru doing this as town, and for the record, I don't even recall ceru ever scum reading me prior to this actual day phase. But now out of nowhere he is just 70-80% sure I am mafia? How? Why? He attacked whiteflame earlier in the phase, whiteflame bit back hard, and now he is going for what he feels will be the easier lynch to push. Plain and simple. Ceru isn't approaching this from an angle that demonstrates he lacks information and is trying to solve anything here. He is coming from an angle of "We need to lynch someone, and I want to take the path of least resistance". I'll admit, I am that path. I don't know enough about this game to fully defend myself against a lot of the lingo and jargon he uses. All I can do it point out the clear narrative spinning.

At this point I think though I am pretty decided that it is probably ceru is who mafia, based on how hard he is trying to push me while claiming he isn't sure I am scum, but painting my literal every action as suspicious. Especially when I literally blocked a mafia day phase one. So I'll put my money where my mouth is and...

VTL ceru.


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I am not going to respond to everything line by line. I am just not. I don't have the time, and a lot of it is really just narrative spinning. I'll qoute things that seem relevant to make my point.

But really my whole point is what I was saying before; He has already decided that I am mafia and is making a case against me to fit his own narrative. Does he do this as town? Whiteflame is by far not confirmed either so it makes no sense for him to do this. This is why I think cerulean is probably mafia and trying to go for me, the weaker, easier target. I don't know all the terminology and mafia lingo so he thinks he can bully me into getting lynched because of this. He might be right, but I am going to go down fighting!

'Pie tells Banana to act like her role is a wolf one. We can't be sure if they committed to Banana being a Roleblocker early or if they wanted to leave the door open for a different role that's scum on the Guide, like Bus Driver."

"There may have been some discussion in the scum chat, but Pie presumably also tells Banana to go for the Roleblocker claim after Owen claimed Inventor Rolestopper."

If you think I am lying about my role, you have to remember I claimed this literally in my first post even if not directly. Post 25 I said "By the way, in this game I have been assured by the moderator that I am town, but I am confused, because according to earth Guide to Forum Mafia, my role is under Mafia Roles, but the moderator assures me I am town. So I just am giving a heads up this time around."

If you look at the mafia guide posted by earth the roles listed there are: Goon, Godfather, Stalker, Politician, Lawyer, and Busdriver." So unless you thought I was going to claim any of those roles, it was fairly obvious that I was claiming Roleblocker very early from my first post.

"-The Day ends with a lynch on Owen. Both Pie and Banana give the Two answer to throw off the investigation.
-I did make a mistake on this in my "story." Banana said zero, not two. This is still a little bit off, because if we consider the Owen death, that means Banana's POE at the time was Whiteflame, Pie, and Casey- one is strictly mathematically better if they all have equal odds. But more importantly, the thing here is that both of them picked different wrong answers. While that's true that all of us were wrong, Banana's choice doesn't align because she was different from Pie. It can easily be a form of distancing, because it looks like that was the team's Day 1 plan."

My point earlier, I am literally damned if I do, damned if I don't. He first uses this vote against me as a "They are trying to throw off the investigation", which was actually part of the reason I put 0 my vote, because I noticed pie not voting on a lynch but voting 2 people in his answer. Then he realizes his mistake and spins it that it is actually scummy of me to do this?! This is narrative spinning at it's finest. But from my perspective this vote was still the right choice. As of right now the POE is still the same, whiteflame, and pie were not on the lynch. We know pie was mafia and whiteflame's alignment is still up in the air, so from my POV this is still a  town move to vote 0 here. If ceru is mafia, then you have to change your argument to me only slightly sabotaging my answer since ceru was on the vote I believe. If you do that, you are literally damning me for any choice then you have to admit to some narrative spinning.

-The next Day, Pie pretends to be silenced in the hopes that it will get him townread. Banana claims to have blocked Pie as an alibi for Pie.

Another example of him literally taking anything I do that should be considered a town move, and spinning it to make me mafia. I literally Roleblocked a mafia member night phase one. And that is an alibi? What?! Obviously at this time I didn't know pie was even mafia though, so if anything it would make me look worse for visiting a person claiming to be silenced. It's only in hindsight of pie claiming to be mafia that we know this was a pro town move. And I claimed this immediately in my first post, there was tracking roles at the time that could have caught me in a lie if I was lying. So for your narrative spin to work here, you are operating under the assumption that I got super duper lucky to not be caught by casey, and even luckier still that casey was the night kill target. Anything I do that should be looked at as a town thing, you just spin to me having this master level degree in mafia psychology and doing it because you think I am actually mafia and every convenience just works out for me as mafia. Yet he says he is 70-80% sure I am mafia... Just wow...

-Pie follows the flow for the investigation. Banana probably intentionally skipped out on it.

Hey you got me here. Evil old banana, laughing maniacally and twisting my invisible evil villain mustache as I purposely just have an actual life away from you nerds. I was probably watching netflix or something, but no, as you say, yeah totally intentional. Literally don't even know how to respond to this without laughing at the absurdity of it.

Banana claims to have blocked Earth, but doesn't push it much.

You keep trying to spin that I ever claimed to have been suspicious of earth. This is just not true. I roleblocked him because as I said at the time, there was still some people holding lingering doubt about him, and if I potentially stopped a night kill we would have confirmation he was lying. It was a safe action that had nothing to do with me reading him as suspicious and didn't risk blocking a town power role. It seemed like a good option and I stand by my decision to do it. I was more sure of earth as town after doing so. Why would I "push" a town read?

Conclusion?

Anyways the following post is more of his story in detail, but I feel like I have responded to everything relevant here. I don't see the point in responding to hypothetical actions he thinks I would take because he randomly and arbitrarily decided that everything I have done in this game as some evil twist to it. I think that is very clear and spells itself out with his narrative spinning here.

The question is: Why go to the length to narrative spin and move the goal post of my actual intentions if he actually considered me to be town? I don't really buy ceru doing this as town, and for the record, I don't even recall ceru ever scum reading me prior to this actual day phase. But now out of nowhere he is just 70-80% sure I am mafia? How? Why? He attacked whiteflame earlier in the phase, whiteflame bit back hard, and now he is going for what he feels will be the easier lynch to push. Plain and simple. Ceru isn't approaching this from an angle that demonstrates he lacks information and is trying to solve anything here. He is coming from an angle of "We need to lynch someone, and I want to take the path of least resistance". I'll admit, I am that path. I don't know enough about this game to fully defend myself against a lot of the lingo and jargon he uses. All I can do it point out the clear narrative spinning.

At this point I think though I am pretty decided that it is probably ceru is who mafia, based on how hard he is trying to push me while claiming he isn't sure I am scum, but painting my literal every action as suspicious. Especially when I literally blocked a mafia day phase one. So I'll put my money where my mouth is and...

VTL ceru.


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I am here...
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@whiteflame
@Cerulean
Banana, in the off chance you're Town, your job at this exact moment is to convince me why I'm wrong and stupid and tunneling you horrendously.
Wow.. Okay so you posted a lot. I'll admit I don't 100% know what all the terminology and roles you have mentioned are, so I can't argue much of this because I simply just don't understand a lot of the lingo. My main point to respond here is "Why is Ceru so confident I am mafia?" She threw some rocks at whiteflame, found out he bites back, goes for the easier target? From my POV both of you were just as likely to be mafia. I do notice a lot of narrative spinning though. Everything that he writes is crafted to make every action or lack of action intentionally heinous, and I am asking, if you really were town, how would you know 100% that I am scum? Notice how Cerulean has to paint every aspect of the story his way to cater to his narrative that I am mafia.

Primary example, at first he thinks I voted there was two mafia and uses this as an argument that I acted similarly to pie, and was trying to "throw off the investigation". Then he finds out that he made a mistake, sees that I actually voted 0 and pie voted 2, and now I am "Distancing" myself from pie?! Okay so no matter what I chose, you painted me in a corner that I am suspicious no matter what action I chose. You see my point here? Anyways I will try to respond a little more in depth when I have a second, but this is going to be my ultimate point; Look how many hoops ceru is jumping through to paint my literal every action as suspicious. If he was town he should be considering that whiteflame is just as much as an option for mafia as me. The fact that he seems so sure it's me shows he has no intention of considering another option. Look how he phrased the above "In the off chance your town", yeah , right, in the off chance huh. So you want me to defend myself against someone who already has there mind made up. None of this is hard proof or anything, so why would he be this convinced that I am mafia unless he was just looking for what he thinks is an easy target? I'll admit I am the easier target here. I don't know half the things he is talking about. Still, I will do my best to respond to the stuff I can soon.
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@whiteflame
Also, I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this problem, but I'm not always receiving emails when I get tagged (e.g. this past response from Cerulean), so I might not respond quickly unless I'm watching the page.

We've got time to talk this out, and while you are still new to this and there's a lot to consider, it's worth posting your thoughts even if they're only half-formed regarding which of us you think is scum. Also, I don't believe you have claimed your legacy role yet. Truth be told, neither have I, so I'll spill it. If I died during a NP where I performed an investigation, Austin would have announced my results publicly the next day.
My thoughts are this: I feel like you are town because earth's role doesn't make any sense if yours doesn't exist. Or does it? I am repeating the narrative I have heard a few times but it seems reasonable that millers don't exist in game's where there aren't cops. So it seems weird that earths role would exist if yours didn't.
I am obviously caught up on the fact that I roleblocked cerulean though, however and the night kill wasn't stopped. I asked austin if my action was successful or not, and he said he couldn't provide feedback unless I was provided a result. So if something happened to impede my action, I have no way of knowing that, but that would be my only case against you is that I roleblocked cerulean, and a night kill happened. That's why I have been so insistent on knowing if there are role's that can "Trump" or mess with a roleblock that you or anyone know of?

Because to be honest I find it weird that I am still alive, and if mafia have a role that can stop me or prevent me, they wouldn't be worried leaving me alive, and might hope to use my information to get them a mis-lynch. In other words it feels a little bit too easy for you to be scum here, and I am skeptical of the idea that I was just left to my own devices. If that makes sense.

Behaviorally I had town read cerulean before this, but now it seems like she has come into this day phase ready to lynch me, it seems like she had an agenda planned out for this and it seems to be based on very little. That's all I got for now. Right now I am leaning cerulean being the mafia member because of otherwise earths role doesn't make any sense.
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@Cerulean
I don't understand how you can pair me with pie at all, considering he was one of my top scum reads in day phase one.
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My legacy role is I have a 1x roleblock I can use after death
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Is there any conceivable reason my roleblock wouldn't have worked on Cerulean?
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@whiteflame
1) Whether you trust that your role was successful (remember, there are three people left in the game and yours and Cerulean's roles are the only ones that are relevant given what we know scum has).
2) Whether you believe my role based on the existence of Earth in the game.
3) Whether you believe that Cerulean has missed the correct target 3 times in a row and has a means of explaining why his role exists in a game with a delayed NK result.
All good points. I can see some leeway on 3 though, as I seemingly was never able to block a night kill either.
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@whiteflame
Alright, I stand corrected. Considering that scum roles have precedence over town roles, though, and considering that scum knew your role could interfere with them while mine could not, I'd take that into account when you consider whether Cerulean could have committed the NK despite your targeting him.
Is there a role that could have interrupted or messed with my role that wouldn't straight up tell me if I was not successful or not? I do find it strange that I would be left alive as town with a role like this, unless it just wasn't a threat to the mafia team, or I was going to be the target of the mislynch. I would be more suspicious of you if you had tried to use this against me to lynch me, but the fact that you seem to be going after cerulean is making me question that.

My head hurts lol
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@whiteflame
Before I get to a bigger post giving my reasoning, I'll respond to this. Your roleblock, successful or not (was it noted to be successful in the PM you received?), would not have prevented the NK. You're welcome to verify that with Austin, but roleblocks typically only affect the ability of your target to use their role, not to execute the night kill. 
 I was not told that I was succesful or otherwise. I am asking him now. He did tell me that I can block a night kill though.
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@Cerulean
Banana, can you double check what WF just said about roleblocks? I find it surprising and if we're on the same team here I'd like fewer barriers to finding each other. Also, I'd like to know why you picked the roleblock targets you did.
I just double checked because when I first asked Austin if he made a mistake (I thought I was mafia) his reasoning for why a Roleblocker would be town is that I could prevent a night kill. He just re-confirmed to me that a roleblocker can block night kills. But I don't want to discount that something could have interfered with my role yet.

The first night I roleblocked pie, he was in my pool of suspects, which again were: Whiteflame, Pie, Casey and Owen. I settled on pie because I didn't like that he didn't take a stance at all by the end of the game despite being there the whole day phase, and he was very aggressive earlier with Moozer. He was also one of the ones casting doubt on all the blocking roles being town, and I know I am town so that rang like he was trying to cause a lynch on an innocent. So far everyone who claimed to be a blocking type of role has been town as well.

Night 2, I blocked earth because of the doubt about there being a miller, and I figured it wouldn't harm him since if he was a visiting role, then he had lied anyway.

And last night I blocked you because your role seemed most harmful to the town if it was successful. Also I do agree with the logic that has been stated about a cop not existing in a game where there is a role like earths in it seems very strange. You seemed like the best net option to potentially stop a night kill.
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@Mharman
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@Cerulean
What do you guys think?
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And then there was three!

Well, I roleblocked Cerulean. Considering there was a night kill, I guess that means that it's whiteflame since there was a night kill. Unless I am missing something?
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@Lunatic
Who did you block and why
I roleblocked earth, since he didn't have an active role, I figured it might catch him in a lie. But if you are saying you were the night kill, then maybe earth is really town, or the passive mafia role. Can you role block a passive role?
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Roleblocking one of my scum reads tonight.
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VTL moozer
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Unvote. vtl Cerulean

Whiteflame has claimed, I don't know enough about dreamer to know if that is a a strong claim or not but  at this point we should probably get the rest of the claims.
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I'll add my vote to whiteflame. I don't see why he is any more special than the rest of us who have claimed.

VTL whiteflame
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@Moozer325
Well that sucks because I strengthened Pie. 
Dang. :/
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I roleblocked pie last night. I did say I would be roleblocking one of my scum reads.

BTW I also thought it was super weird how pie had avoided voting last day phase and chose 2 for his answer.
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Well ive placed my vote and am content with it. Also i should be over 25 posts now. I am gonna log off for now. Night guys
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@Moozer325
What do you mean it’s not a good reason. He’s been acting behaviorally weird all day and he refuses to claim. He’s done many OMGUS’s and he’s been completely inactive for long periods. He’s a very experienced player so if even that isn’t enough, he’s usually much more chill than this.
What is OMGUS and explain what you mean by behaviorally weird because that is very open to interpretation and personal opinon
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What is OMGUS someone said that earlier?
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@Owen_T
Why have we forgotten about Earth

I am giving him a bit of a pass because apparently people are saying his role is a risky role to claim as mafia. But I will agree with cerulean that I don't like his lack of having to take any sort of stance. That has kind of been my problem with casey as well
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post 23: I will probably be roleblocking one of my other three mafia reads tonight.
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post 22: I'll vote for owen

VTL owen
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My four scum options for today were pie, whiteflame, owen and casey. I am not seeing a lot  of pull for any of these except for owen, so that is probably where I will be voting.

This is for the weird posts that cerulean pointed out about bandwagoning pie being too aggressive but then following his reads not long after.
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@Moozer325
Okay, here’s my final push for a Luantic lynch. If it doesn’t work, ping me and I can change my vote, cause I think it’s on Luna right now. He’s been very unusual this whole DP with his reads and his various OMGUS’s. He’s also just been off behaviorally, so I encourage anyone with the time to at least look back at what he’s said today. He’s ticked every box for me, so I think it should be a no brainer at this point. Again, ping me if I need to jump on a wagon to get us to a lynch this DP.
I don't know lunatic well enough to know if he is playing differently than normal, but none of this really feels like good logic to lynch someone. It seems you are being a bit stubborn about lynching him and I don't really understand why. These reasons aren't hard hitting reasons.
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I can see the scum strengthener theory because it is a counter to my role, and I am town, so I can see it.
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Okay I just checked I have 17 posts this day phase, this will be post 18. I'll try to post some more in the next bit without being too spammy.
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@ILikePie5
You two are probably the only ones who aren’t at 25 posts yet. 
I might be close, i am not sure
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@Cerulean
By the way, it is mildly amusing to watch, but just to clarify, I'm male. Do I have a feminine posting style to you?!

Oh, sorry! I guess it's mostly how polite you are and your general energy, doesn't match what most men here have sounded like so far. I didn't mean to offend.

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@Moozer325
Probably Owen, then Banana. Like Earth said, they’ve both just been kinda coasting.
This feels lazy, I don't feel like I've been coasting, I made a lot of posts today. And my laptop was being fixed yesterday. That
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@Moozer325
Probably Owen, then Banana. Like Earth said, they’ve both just been kinda coasting.
This feels lazy, I don't feel like I've been coasting, I made a lot of posts today. And my laptop was being fixed yesterday. That
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@Casey_Risk
Justification for being a roleblocker?
Because the cause of  the accident was pretty obvious but ECAA tried to block the NTSB from finding probably cause. NTSB says it was a pilot suicide, and the ECAA said it was due to mechanical failure of pitch control surfaces.
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@Casey_Risk
I misunderstood then, oops.

I am Egypt Air Flight 990
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@Casey_Risk
I am a role blocker, not a role stopper, but it looks like I can just directly stop someone's role at night, where he can give someone else the ability to do that if  I am understanding correctly. So I guess it is kind of different, but still feels a little too close to the same to me.
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is it common for two of the same role to be in a game? Because owen is claiming my role... Kind of...
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Okay I just caught up. I apologize in advance if this feels a bit all over the place. I am not good at this game, but I will definitely try my best.

On the moozer role situation, I do not know enough about the strengthener role to understand it completely, but from my understanding of it, it seems to play into my role well, so I kind of buy it for that reason alone. That said I don't think Moozer is like guaranteed town or anything, I just can see his role existing with mine. I will say in tandem with what lunatic said, it feels a bit interesting that whiteflame and pie's thoughts echo each other so closely without interaction. For example Whiteflame pointing out that there would be better roles to fit with the place incident, and pie further clarifying that it sounds more like a protective role. It seems a bit like they are bouncing thoughts off of each other outside the game. And I don't really feel like one or the other are really analyzing each other a whole lot as potential mafia targets which also kind of worries me about them being a potential team together.

Aside from that I don't really read whiteflame's behavior independently as scummy. I like whiteflame's over-all approach to getting activity in the game through discussion. I don't really know pie well enough, but I can see some of what people are saying about him using loose logic to push people. At the same time, making big deals out of nothing is also what people have been saying you should do as town, so I am not sure if I should be scum reading that.

Lunatic has risky takes that go against the grain of some of the more active post leaders. As mafia would he be so brazen as to be scum reading whiteflame and pie the way he has? If he is mafia is just seems a bit of an unnecessary risk, and the fact that he's doing it kind of feels town to me. I don't like his posts responding to the votes on him though, and if he was actually intoxicated when he made them I guess I can ignore those. 

Earth doesn't really ping my radar at all, his claim doesn't mean anything to me because I am kind of just going by other people's words when it comes to how often millers are claimed by mafia or not. I will say he feels more town than not, if you ask me to justify that I can't other than it is a  gut feeling.

Cerulean is my strongest town read. Everything they have posted seems like they are genuinely trying to look into everything and everyone. It could be I just like their posting style. But her post about "deathtunneling" owen really sticks out to me even though it was more of a joke, I do think she has a point. Owen's sudden change of "agreeing with pie being scummy" to agreeing with pies reads several posts later is interesting.

Lastly casey feels wierd to me. I can't really pin point why, I feel like he posts a lot without actually saying anything super meaningful and blends in very easily. That is about all I can say about him.

Right now if I had to guess someone being scum it would be in this pool of people: Whiteflame, pie, casey, owen, and I do kind of town read whiteflame, im only really putting him in there because of the lack of interactions with pie and the fact they seem to be bouncing ideas off each other in an external setting.

I am not the best at this I hope this post was somewhat coherent, and again I apologize about my inactivity.
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Look at it this way. Moozer shares the total number of fatalities from all the incidents in the game. We force a mass claim and have everyone reveal their character, then look for every possible way the numbers could add up to Moozer's total. Chances are, there'd only be one. We then kick out the scum. Game is solved DP1. Completely unfair to the scum team. If Moozer is telling the truth about his legacy role, he'd have to be forbidden from sharing the number. It's the only way it could be balanced.
Wouldn't the mafia just lie about their incident and fatalities?
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hile we're on the subject of activity, what are people's thoughts on getting some softclaims?
What is a soft claim?
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@Casey_Risk
That's a good question. I do find that a bit odd, though I could still see it potentially being in the game. Right now, I'd like to hear a little more from Banana and Cerulean. They haven't spoken up in a bit. 
Hi, still collecting my thoughts and catching up..
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