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@ILikePie5
Also I didn't get any results or messages last night to indicate whiteflame visited me, so I don't know what that's about.Idt WF ever said he visited you.
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Just caught up. I really, really don't see why ADOL isn't choosing to say who he targeted. That and because I know I am town, means he is the scum on the results. When I played I got bullied into complying to the way everyone else thinks too, and because I didn't comply I got lynched for it, if for some reason ADOL doesn't get lynched for doing the same thing, I am going to assume it has something to do with gender...
Also I didn't get any results or messages last night to indicate whiteflame visited me, so I don't know what that's about.
VTL ADOL. You need to out your results. Everyone else has, you aren't a special snowflake.
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Sorry I was busy yesterday. Only real updated thoughts are that whiteflame seems to be buddying lunatic pretty hard, I don't know how to think about that. It seems like he is dismissing that2user and ADOL's logic completely out of hand or acting like lunatic lying is completely unplausible and anyone who suggests it is scummy. I don't personally think Lunatic is lying per say, but I can see the points they are making and don't think it's a forgone conclusion to want to test him to see if his results are accurate.
Outside of that ceruleans thoughts do not really feel original at all, he basically came in and parroted what the narrative has been more or less surrounding the entire day phase. I realize people probably don't want to lynch outside the dreamer or the dreamers results, but if we move past that at any point, I would probably want to focus more on Cerulean. Despite the large catch up posts, I don't think he is really trying that hard to solve anything, and he basically just used a lot of words to make it seem like he was making some sort of effort or contribution when it actually added up to more of the same. He's probably my number one suspicion at the moment.
But since we are focused on the dreamer results, and I know I am town, I know the other mafia has to be that2user or adol. adol seems townier to me overall, I can also see that2user being town, but out of the two of them, I'd have to pick that2user. If we are going to lynch here, I'd prefer it was her over me or ADOL based on her behavior over all.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Banana tried to defend someone who hasn't been validated (That2User)
I didn't really "defend" her, I was asked my thoughts on the situation and I just didn't like that it seemed everyone was dog-piling her, it seemed more likely town heading down the wrong path. Now obviously I am re-considering that. But yeah have you even claimed yet?
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@Lunatic
I think it's fair to suggest full claims from those on my results at the very least. One of you three is scum, the other two are town confirmed.
I am Ivan IV AKA Ivan the Terrible. I am the 1x town executioner, because I was paranoid of betrayal and committed the massacre of Novgorod. Also because I murdered my son Ivan in a rage. I hinted to pie my role last day phase, and can prove it at any time, as long as a person has at least half the votes on them, rounded up if it's an odd number.
I am genuinely confused why casey put that Earth is the first tsar, because my role PM literally says the same thing.
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@ILikePie5
If you think its a good idea, I can confirm my role right now. But it will end the day phase. Let me know what you think, I have to go to bed soon.
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@Earth
A minor historical mistake? We are both claiming different characters.
She could have gotten the character mixed up. But right now I am having to ask myself: Is it more likely the mod messed up, or a mafia member trying to fake claim messed up?
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@Earth
My PM explicitly says I was tsar, so w/e.
Well if you are town, casey is doing something funny here.
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I am Ivan the IV, aka Ivan the Terrible. My role PM explicitly tells me I am the first tsar of Russia. I was about to give earth a pass, because he might have gotten the two mixed up in researching them (Ivan the great is a regent not a tsar) but then I thought about it and why would he even be researching it instead of just looking at his role pm?
I realize we are claiming two different people so this isn't a CC, but I am cc'ing the part where he is the first tsar, because casey told me I was in my role Pm.
VTL Earth.
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Actually I am not even sure this matters. Earth is scum. At least I am pretty sure he is.
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@Earth
hold the flippin phone. Did casey explicitly say you are the first Russian tsar?
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@whiteflame
I believe her because everyone is dog piling her right now, she is probably town. I think she fumbled over her words a bit and now people are taking advantage of that, but executed and assassination, potato potato. I don’t think we nailed scum on the first claim.
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@whiteflame
I believe her because everyone is dog piling her right now, she is probably town. I think she fumbled over her words a bit and now people are taking advantage of that, but executed and assassination, potato potato. I don’t think we nailed scum on the first claim.
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@That2User
I was killed in the October Revolution
Is that pre Soviet? Idk
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@That2User
I was killed in the October Revolution
Is that pre Soviet? Idk
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@That2User
I was assassinated
I think the question is whether your character existed before the soviet union formed or not. what does being assassinated has to do with that.
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@Cerulean
Hm... For a moment I misunderstood and thought you meant your character was Mafia-aligned. But your role- this isn't a Miller claim, right?
I am not a miller.
Is it worthwhile go back and read up on that, or is it a "you had to be there" sort of experience?
The last game I was in I was scum read for scum reading vader who was basically claiming a 3rd killing role on top of like two other killing roles plus my role which was a killing role, so I got lynched for it, and selected to kill vader with my role which activated on being lynched, and people were really mad at just me for some reason, even though they were also wrong about me. Idk I somehow got all the blame for it. Basically we were all wrong, and two town died for it, and it was all my fault I guess.
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I am going to go with an "Honesty is the best policy approach here" and tell you all that when I looked up my role, it seems its commonly aligned with the mafia. That said I am town. My role is provable and I will try to use it in a way I feel is as pro town as possible. Because I think it could add value to town, I would prefer to really not have to claim it on the principle of it being scummy. Please just trust me.
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@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
I appreciate the words. The game is fun, I am still learning about the roles and stuff. I genuinely thought vader was being scummy in that game, but I was wrong.
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Eh sure, I suck at this game and pretty sure most of you hate me but ill try
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@ILikePie5
What are your reads in the unlikely event you are town
Yeah, see I don't feel any incentive do do anything if your just going to assume I am mafia no matter what. At this point just mislynch me, i'll kill vader, and I'll say I told you so later. Doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to lynch the obvious mafia here so luckily I will do it for you guys.
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Since I am going to assume that Banana is going to shoot me because I shot her scum buddy Savant
This right here is all the evidence you need that vader is scum, his whole point is that im lying, yet here he admits that I am going to shoot him because he is scared. If he was town he wouldn't believe this and would think it an idle threat. He knows I am not lying.
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@Vader
You hit town, because you are mafia, and your job is to kill the town. Feel proud of killing town for now, but we will win this game once we figure out your mafia partners. Don't stay cocky for long.
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@Vader
So you went from saying, my PM is about the israel and hamas debate, then to now about hamas?
Nope but nice try trying to twist my words, mafia.
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@Vader
Yeah let's just get Banana today and get this over with. Banana is so obviously scum at this point. My guess is that they are telling the truth about their role but are just scum affiliated so I'm essentially dying this DP no matter what so let's get this over with
Okay if I die you are coming with me. Hopefully town can figure out your mafia buddies later, but at least I'll have gotten one :)
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@Mharman
Last thing: Yes, you should tell everything. You will get lynched without doing so, like it or not. You are obviously town to yourself, but to the rest of town. Including me. I will say that I am torn between you and Vader and will have a better idea in the morning. I suppose I should think whether or not it’s a false dichotomy, but it’s gonna be hard to do so if one of you has given me a reason for a scumread. Something like refusing to full claim would be an example.
I've already claimed everything. I am a town insurgent, and upon dying, either by lynch or night kill, I can choose a player to take with me. Justification is that its about hamas. Thats all I can say.
The rest is in the hands of the town.
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Is anyone going to help me lynch vader or am I going to have to waste my role doing it?
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@WyIted
For the integrity of the game no more discussion of cookies, who received them. Who handed them out and whether a person said yes or no. No hinting like " I said no last night"Nothing. Discussions of cookies and cookies givers is off limitsThere is to be no discussion in the scum chat either please.
oops nvm ignore my last post
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@Owen_T
I did give the cookie to banana.
What does the cookie do?
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@Mharman
Even with 14 players, I think 2 town killing roles might be a bit much, especially if one is vigilante
You are correct about this, I doubt there is two killing roles. It sucks you town read vader, but if I am lynched I will just take him out anyway, so we should get one mafia regardless, would be nice if we could just out right lynch him though. Doesn't seem I have any pull to make that kind of lynch happen though. So I guess I'll just tell you I told you so later.
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I am sorry I've been super busy today. I don't know why I am being voted over vader. The functionality behind my role is that if I am killed or lynched I can select any player I want to die. I was hoping to be the night kill, which is why I didn't want to reveal this, but I guess the cat is out of the bag now.
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@ILikePie5
The specific name of your role. Supa is claiming Vigilante. Casey was Activist. What’s yours?
Town Insurgent.
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@ILikePie5
You haven’t given your role. I would like to know what your role is to be able to make a decision.
I am a killing role with the ability to kill someone. That's my role.
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Also apparently my action of rejecting the person who visited me was not wise, since i was told "your loss" by the mod. So that may mean whoever visited me was actually town instead of scum. Just something to keep in mind if the info ever comes up later.
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@ILikePie5
VTL Banana for full claim
I've already given it to you. But thats fine, you wanna lynch me, do it, just pay close attention to my wagon and punish those on it. I will take vader or maybe someone else with me. I will consider if it's likely there are two town killing roles, but I just don't think so.
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@Vader
If there was any mod to do that, it would unironically be Wylted
Is he known for doing multiple vigges or something? can you link me evidence of this?
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@Lunatic
balance wise, in a 14 player game, its not out of the question for two killing roles to be town. That said I still think it benefits town to have the full information here, which is on you banana.
Vader is claiming that he can kill people unlimited amount of times. I am claiming a 1x killing role. Do you think wylted puts an unlimited killing role alongside an x shot killing role? Something isn't right here.
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@Vader
I am not 1x nor did I ever claim. In fact I even claimed that if I get 3 votes in a DP, I get a vig shot.Don't know what's so hard to comprehend. I even claimed this early on in DP1 so you obviously weren't reading
I can read just fine, but my point is balance wise this doesn't make sense. You can just unlimited-ly kill people, along with my kill which IS one shot. That is way too powerful for town.
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@Mharman
Assurance of your affiliation is more important than the usefulness of your role. Anything that makes us more likely to lynch Vader over you should be considered helpful.
I am not sure that I am a valid lynch target at this moment, most people including yourself were town reading me last day phase. Until I see that it is literally me claiming this role or death, I'd rather maintain the secret of my role so that it can be of potential use. I am doing this because this is the most pro town way to use my role, and if you had my role you would understand.
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@ILikePie5
I was told by the mod I can't :/ all I can say is someone visited me, and I rejected them.You were told by Wylted that you can’t explain?
Yes, which sucks because the information is kind of very valuable. I can't even say anything else without giving away what it is that I am not supposed to say.
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@Vader
So what does it do then? I have another way to test my vig shot again with another kill assuming I don't get RB'd, etc. You have no merit since you didn't use your kill. And how do you know they were town?
So you are saying you aren't 1x and you are town? That just makes you 10x more scummier in my book.
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@Mharman
What is the method by which your ability kills people?
If I say it defeats the purpose of my role
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@Vader
Going to play the same card here. Why would I claim to kill someone that was janitored? WIFOM asf but why if I was scum wouldn't I say, "oh I shot (insert person), but it looks like it got redirect. Also I had Savant as my top scum read the entirity of last DP. If I am scum, why would I claim to shoot my top scum read
I mean if he was town it didn't do us any favors and you have justification for doing it, so why wouldn't you if you were scum? Also you could be 3rd party too.
It would still fit under the same theme.
So?
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