janesix

I try to be the best person I can be. I sometimes am an asshole on purpose. I am trying to get over that. 

Ok, thank you for explaining. I guess I would consider myself a moral realist too then.

What is a moral realist? I don't think ive heard that term. 

Maybe. 

I don't know God well enough to know what he wants of me in that regard. I DO know he wants me to think about my behaviour.

You are not pestering, i have enjoyed our conversation

Do you think Godless societies/individuals are worse than theists? Are they ethically inferior in your opinion?

Yes,

I asked him because I am trying to understand people and their thought processes.

Yes. Still not getting the point of your post though.

Why are you unsure now?

I never claimed to be stronger than God. And I ask God for help when needed. I don't see anything wrong with that. But you are saying "let God fight your battles" and it seems like you mean it in a general sense. 

Then what is your point

why? I don't think God wants me to be a coward.

I am surprised that you, as a n atheist, are not a moral relativist.

Atheists believe there are no Gods. 

I have varying degrees of confidence in everything. 

Mostly, I know nothing really. 

Not sure what your point is here, other than you are an atheist. OK.

Not sure what that has to do with my claim that your atheistic worldview is a system of belief.

Sure I am, for the most part. Why do you say that?

I am trying to quit smoking again today

wish me luck

Something like that. 

yes it is

There was a reason I simplified the problem. Like i said the issues are probably more complex than i stated.

That could be the case, or the case could be that the the component issues could have nearly the same importance or value, and the resolution is not satisfactory

I'm sure ti is, but I wan't talking about vanity.

No, im saying we should fight our own battles. 

We can take the breastfeeding issue, since ive been thinking about it now. It's probably more complicated than this, but i will break it up into two moral issues for the sake of simplification

It is wrong to not feed a hungry baby.

it is wrong to expose your breasts in a culture where breasts are sexualized and you may cause undue discomfort for others around you.

You then need to come up with a conflict resolution. This is an easy one: cover your breasts while you are breastfeeding. The issue is resolved for most people. 

Unfortunately not all issues are this easily resolved. Most are not. It's one of the main reason people and societies have moral conflicts. 

It seems to me we should fight our own battles. 

That isn't true, because like I said, the issue has component parts. It is not a single issue. Consience tells us what is right and wrong on single issues. 

It is comprised of two elements at least,and possibly more. 

I am unsure what it is that you arent getting about that.

I disagree. I think everyone's conscience is the same on individual issues. 

But most issues are complicated, with conflicting elements. 

Like I said, there are two conflicting things involved. Not sure how else to put it. 

You have to determine what is more inportant to consider

I think this is one of the main issues of spiritual growth

Because there are two conflicting ideas involved. So there is now the idea that one is more right thatn the other. It is figuring out what is more right or more wrong that comes into play. 

Yes. As with most issues, it is in the grey area. You can feel guilty about two conflicting things. Our spiritual growth lies in figuring out what is right and wrong in any given situation. I think that alot of issues are trolly problem issues. 

I don't think we can be fully grown spiritually as human beings. I think God is a fully grown spiritual being, and guides us through our conscience(and sometimes directly). 

I think everyone knows that breasts are for babies,and feeding them. However, breasts are sexualized in some cultures. I think that grown adults can distinguish when it is ok to sexualize breasts(in the bedroom) and when they are serving their original purpose(feeding babies). 

This is a weird one, because you can sexualize practically anything. 

Still not exactly sure what you mean by "church:. An organization? The people comprising it?

Some issues aren't so black and white as abortion, which creates moral dilemmas

Yes, that's exactly what I think

I think they are the same. People choose to react differently. 

no i don't

I don't think so

What does it mean to "surrender" to God, or God's will?

Your conscience is proof

33, further elaborated in post 36 

Give me a quote of a "godist" saying something like that.

The Book of the Dead is an ancient Egyptian funerary text, used from the beginning of the New Kingdom (around 1550 BCE) to around 50 BCE.[1] The original Egyptian name for the text, transliterated rw nw prt m hrw[2] is translated as Book of Coming Forth by Day.[3] Another translation would be Book of Emerging Forth into the Light. "Book" is the closest term to describe the loose collection of texts[4] consisting of a number of magic spells intended to assist a dead person's journey through the Duat, or underworld, and into the afterlife and written by many priests over a period of about 1000 years

(edit: from wikipedia)

I just told you.

Where do you get the idea the "need" anything like that?

The Book on Going Forth By Day

You don't get a soul. You get a body.

Obviously, at least 2 do

Thank you, but I already found one

The Egyptians understood the soul. That's the reason they were able to keep their society intact for over 3000 years. 

I haven't read the Bible for a while (I am currently rereading it), but I don't understand logic and reason from the Bible. It seems like a mash of stories/parables etc that were just kind of thrown together. But who knows, i am drawn to reading it, so there may be areason.