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@TheDredPriateRoberts
7 billion people on an Earth, with humans standard-of-living systems that are gradually toxicating the environment that sustains all human life.actually there are probably enough people willing and wanting to adopt,
<> = fat middle class humanity with least amount of rich and poor at two extremes and not the dumb-bell >< humanity we have been developing.
If humanity truly want to survive with least amount of human sufferring humanity they need to stop growing their population under current misguided standard-of-living systems.
The rich can afford condoms, birth control and life forward for most amount of years, ergo the least need for off-spring.
The poor cannot afford condoms, birth control or has least life forward for amount of years ergo the most seeming need for off-spring.
So how does humanity go about controling the rising population problem?
Education and moral desire to be most inclusive of whole set of humanity going forward. None can be excluded. It has to be all-for-one and one-for-all, for best chance of humanity making it with least amount of sufferring.
Aliens is not the solution.
Nor is capatilism the solution.
Mind/intellect forward evolution over butt-forward{ backwards } evolution is our best chance.
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@Alec
OMG, another human who ego has blocked access to rational, logical common sense pathways of thought. When are Orange-idio-Parrots Aliens going to arrive?It would be more accurate to compare a fetus to a foster kid because they are both human.
Fetus = organism of the pregnant woman
Foster child = human individual who has taken their fist IN-spiration of oxygen and the umbilical chord.
Is there really that many mentally and morally ill humans on Earth?
Who needs extratetrrestrial "Aliens" when we have this kind of lack-of-intellect humans running around free on Earth?
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@Greyparrot
"Aliens"? Dude, you need to bring your brain to full power. Humans are creating their own superbugs ergo no need to wish for extraterrestrial "Aliens".Guess it's time for the aliens to come in and eradicate us with a superflu. The universe doesn't need parasites like humans.
And superbugs is just one of many ways alone or in conjunction with other human based offenses to biological life and the environment that sustains them.
Hydrogen bombs and idio-ump wants to increase that amount
Nuclear power plants on rise again
Nuclear storage on site still huge problem
Irratic Global Weather via Global Warming
Increasing acidifying of oceans
Clean fresh water on decrease
General pollution form all kinds of toxix wastes not mentioned above
This is list just off tip of my tongue.
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@Alec
If the technology is good enough and cheap enough, then I support it.
Condoms and abortion pill is much less costly if your truly concerned with costs. Your not.
Your concerned with your sick-in-the-head lack of morals that allows you to stick you nose *v* into a womans body without her consent.
You need to be Locked Away from civilized moral humanity. And the sooner the better.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
"loyalty and devotion to a nation, especially a sense of national consciousness,"
Idio-ump wants loyalty to him and him alone. He has no empathy for others much less any nation.
The word you need to learn is narcissist ergo narcissist nationalism and to hell with the rest of the world.
Sick-n-the-Head two year old immaturity.
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@ethang5
Read my lips/text:
The fetus is not a human individual until they have taken their first IN-spiration of oxygen into their lungs and the umbilical chord is cut.
Your sick-in-the-head ego will not allow you the moral responsibility to keep your *v* nose out of a womens and not violate their personal sovereignty.
You sick-in-the-head individuals need to be Locked Away from moral civilized humanity.
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@ethang5
Because I cannot save everyone, so I save the most innocent, the most defenseless, the most in need.
You need to start by saving yourself from being sick-n-the-head.
Only sick-n-the-head individuals like you, would attempt to violate a women sovereignty and stick your nose *v* in their bodily business without their consent.
We need to Lock You Sick-n-Heads Away Today!
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Life starts at conception and the spark of life is a soul (something like that)
Biological life appears to exist eternally.
The sperm is a live cell ergo a soul/biologic
The egg is a live cell ergo a soul/biologic
The fertilized egg is a live cell ergo a soul/biologic
Please keep your sick-n-the-head nose *v* out of womens bodies unless they give yor consent to stick it there.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
their heritage is all but gone :(
Spider Rock in Canyon DeChelly --Navajo res.-- has not yet fallen so there is still hope.
Some North America indians are a part/involved with the 501{c}3, one million acre{?} Bison Preserve in Montana.
Some southwest indians still allowed peyote consciousness religion.
And...........................
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@Greyparrot
Your Orange Parrot nationlist aka idio-ump-like Trumpanzee and all of you should be Locked Away Today! to protect humanity.
This pretty simple to those who actually have a moral compass, access to and use their empathy centers ie. people who care for those outside of their own armpit.
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@keithprosser
It starts with community of rational, logical common sense people/humanity, who;In this imperfect world where pragmatics trumps morality I'd say abortion should be possible almost upto full term, but only in extreme cases and after (say) 32 weeks an abortion would be illegal. The approriate punishment is hard to say - why would woman wait so long? Hopefully such late abortions would be rare enough to be considered on a case-by-case basis"The abortion pill is very effective. For people who are 8 weeks pregnant or less, it works about 98 out of 100 times. From 8-9 weeks pregnant, it works about 96 out of 100 times. From 9-10 weeks, it works 91-93 out of 100 times.The abortion pill usually works, but if it doesn’t, you can take more medicine or have an in-clinic abortion to complete the abortion.
1} intellectually grasp pregnancy prevention, and.
2} do not opposed pregnancy prevention for any reason.
3} making sure such prevention is readily availble to those who need it most ---sex driven 14 - 25 year olds---.
Then there is next issue of abortion when humanity falls short of applying the above prevention measures;
....."The abortion pill is very effective. For people who are 8 weeks pregnant or less, it works about 98 out of 100 times. From 8-9 weeks pregnant, it works about 96 out of 100 times. From 9-10 weeks, it works 91-93 out of 100 times.
The abortion pill usually works, but if it doesn’t, you can take more medicine or have an in-clinic abortion to complete the abortion."...
The abortion pill usually works, but if it doesn’t, you can take more medicine or have an in-clinic abortion to complete the abortion."...
Duhh, any adult humans with rational, logical common sense reading this?
Then we come to abortions beyond the pill for whatever reasons at any stage of the pregnant womans gestation period;
1} keep your ____n nose *v*out of their bodies unless they give their consent.
What should be the most rare is the latter above.
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@Grugore
The scientific method involves testing and observation by experiments that produce repeatable results.
We dont always have technology to do the testing so we are left to what we do observe and using rational logical common sense pathways of thought to deduce conclusions, true or not. We do not observe Abiogenis yet we observe biological life.
I forget the book I have by Lowenstien --Touchstone of Life--- where he goes deep into this and his conclusion was that, in stage of any simple-to-complex abiogenisis evolution, more energy is required.
So some how he was stating that the molecule couid not use its own energy to go to the next level of complexity and that was key to the problem of simple-to-complex origins of biological life
Cosmic Ancestry believes biologic life exists eternally in an eternally existent Universe. I can see that as feasible since energy ---as occupied space--- cannot be created nor destroyed ergo eternal.
Entropy = disorder disintegration
Syntropy or ordiny or negentropy or = centration { centered or around a nucleus? }. 4-fold cubo-octahedron is inherently nucleated.
Area{ S } of black hole = surface area of black hole divided by 4 i.e. S = A/4
The area of the spherical cubo-octahedrons 4 bisecting great hexagonal planes are equal to the area of the spherical cubo-octahedrons outer surface area. Thank you Archimedes.
When the 3-fold tetrahedron shrinks{ contracts } to have zero-volume{ non-existent } but maintains its four 60-degree-oriented surface planes, and those 4 planes will come to define a cubo-octahedron. See link a follows.
The tip of the original four planes now become 12 triangles external to the cubo-octahedron.
This to me is evaporation of the black hole and what is inside or surface area comes is radiated into space ergo galaxy.
Black holes appear to be best candidate for an eternally existent cosmic egg type of scenario.
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@keithprosser
I was a hog farmer and have seen mama sows eating their new born young/piglets You would think, are they sick-n-the-head, or what?However suppose we had evolved along a slightly different track such that a mother eating her child in times of stress in order to survive and have a another baby at a more propitious time was how things have been since the beginning.
Ive seen cows eating their placenta after birth of calf.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
does having unique human dna and chromosomes make a human? if not what does that make?
Irrelevant to being an organism of the pregnant mother.
The fetus/baby is has not yet taken in its first IN-spiration of oxygen to become viable, independent/individual human. Some immorals here dont seem to be able to grasp the truth of this fundamental differrence between organism of the pregnant woman and viable individual/independent.
Some sick-n-the-head individuals just cannot refrain from sticking their nose *v* in womens bodies without the woman giving her consent.
The only true non-unique progeny are those species of female that make exact clones of themselves without males.
Ex some geckos https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/asexual-lizards/
..."Species as diverse as Komodo dragons and hammerhead sharks do it asexually if necessary, but some species, like these little lizards, don't have a choice. "They can't exchange genetic material, and this loss of genetic exchange is a major disadvantage to them in a changing environment," he says. Unless an animal can recombine the DNA they already have, they will produce an offspring with an identical set of chromosomes, in which any genetic weakness, such as disease susceptibility or physical mutation, would have no chance to be overridden by outside genetic material from a mate."...
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@ethang5
You aren't any kind of authority on women, medicene, or science. Who gave you the authority to speak for them? Or decide when a human is a person? Or tell me what to do?
I offer truth you, not so much if at all. Do you even understand the differrence. No? Yeah I didnt think so.
As per your usual have not any shred of authority, rational, logical common sense that invalidates any of my comments as stated.
You have your immoral ---and lack of empathy for the pregnant woman--, opinion.
Please share when you actually have anything of significant relevance to say in these regard. You do not becuase you have not any moral, rational, logical common sense to offer others on this issue. Sick-n-the-Head
Lock Your Type Away Today so as to keep you _____n nose *v* out of pregnant womens bodies when they have not given your consent to stick your nose there. SIck-n-the-head is what you and your type are.
Sick-N-the-Head.
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@ethang5
You aren't any kind of authority on women, medicene, or science. Who gave you the authority to speak for them? Or decide when a human is a person? Or tell me what to do?
As per your usual have not any shred of authority, rational, logical common sense that invalidates any of my comments as stated.
You have your immoral ---and lack of empathy for the pregnant woman--, opinion.
Please share when you actually have anything of significant relevance to say in these regard. You do not becuase you have not any moral, rational, logical common sense to offer others on this issue. Sick-n-the-Head
Lock Your Type Away Today so as to keep you _____n nose *v* out of pregnant womens bodies when they have not given your consent to stick your nose there. SIck-n-the-head is what you and your type are.
Sick-N-the-Head.
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@ethang5
But today, babies as young as 5 months old can survive outside the mother. So today, personhood begins at 5 months? Does that make sense to you?
Get your ______n immoral nose out of womens bodys unless they give you there consent to stick it there. Your sick-n-the-head and you should be Locked Away Today!
Read my lips/text and place you ego based holy roller over biological life and pregnant womens basic human rights.
Independent individual = baby that has taken first INspiration of oxygen and umbilical has been severed.
Mother = woman who has given birth to baby/fetus she fed all oxygen and nutrients to many weeks.
Baby/fetus = attached to uterus/womb and receives oxygen and other nutrients via umbilical from pregnant woman
Human = fertized egg aka conception that is an organism of the pregnant woman till birth, and for brief period of time when traveling is non-attached when falling form fallopian tubes to become attached to uterus wall
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@ethang5
“All for one and one for all, united we stand divided we fall.”
― Alexandre Dumas, The Three Musketeers
How do we unite 195 differrent nations and their Spaceship Earth Captains?
First there has to exist desire or education as to why we should unite as a global community called Earth Is Our Home or Earthian First or Humanity First or whatever catchy phrase that is not already taken.
All-of-Earth and Earth-for-all.
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@3RU7AL
Cosmic Ancestry believes biologic life exists eternally in an eternally existent Universe. I can see that as feasible since energy ---as occupied space--- cannot be created nor destroyed ergo eternal.
Entropy = disorder disintegration
Syntropy or ordiny or negentropy or = centration { centered or around a nucleus? }. 4-fold cubo-octahedron is inherently nucleated.
Area{ S } of black hole = surface area of black hole divided by 4 i.e. S = A/4
The area of the spherical cubo-octahedrons 4 bisecting great hexagonal planes are equal to the area of the spherical cubo-octahedrons outer surface area. Thank you Archimedes.
When the 3-fold tetrahedron shrinks{ contracts } to have zero-volume{ non-existent } but maintains its four 60-degree-oriented surface planes, and those 4 planes will come to define a cubo-octahedron. See link a follows.
The tip of the original four planes now become 12 triangles external to the cubo-octahedron.
This to me is evaporation of the black hole and what is inside or surface area comes is radiated into space ergo galaxy.
Black holes appear to be best candidate for an eternally existent cosmic egg type of scenario.
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And killing some embryos ends some people. So?
They are not independent/individual people.
They are an organism of the pregnant woman, who herself is not yet a mother until the feturs/baby is born-out and IN-spirating oxygen from a source other than mother. Do you understand this. No? I didnt think so.
So, keep your _____n nose *v* out of pregnant womens body unless they give you their consent.
Your type of people are sick-n-the-head and should be Locked Away from civilized society.
And the sooner the better.
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@ethang5
What does "individual" mean? And so what? The embryo is a human being.
Independent { seperate } = individual { seperate } and means IN-spirating oxygen into its lungs via its airways to outside of their body.
Non-independent = fetus { embryo etc } is organism of the mother and recieves oxygen and nutrition via umbilichord ergo not a human individual.
So, keep your _____n nose *v* out of pregnant womens body unless they give you their consent.
You people are sick-n-the-head and should be Locked Away from civilized society.
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@3RU7AL
That goes for historically also. Earth relationships to the stars have changed over the years, I forget how much the Zodiac today is off like a month or more from some 1000 or so years ago.Distant beings will see a much different universe than we currently observe.
Also our perspective is of stars where in past those people did not know what they were looking at ergo they saw intelligent creatures with a viewpoint * like us looking at us.
They also saw comets and had no idea what they were. They may have saw stars exploding as brightening of a star and have no idea what was happening.
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@Outplayz
"false" ergo not real and that reminds of placebo effect, i.e. believing this or that affects the individuals issue of consideration.
Lab experiments have shown the false belief placebo effect works 10% of the time.
They people are told the blue pill will make them calm and the red pill will make them peppy/speedy, in fact their both neutral or opposites.
I like to go as long as I can without taking the caffeine pill or the naproxin pill { chronic rotor cuff issues }. Sometimes I go longer than I realized I could go. Other times times I need the pills and realized to late.
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@Greyparrot
"frighten people"? You only need to look in mirror to see what scares rational, logical common sense moral people.
An immoral rmy of jack-booted, Orange-Parrot, Super-Trumpanzee's https://www.debate.org/Greyparrot/
walking in step, arm-n-arm with Russias mafial-based Putin thugs, bullies etc and,
bolstered by unregulated and immoral, data dispersing companys like Facebook.
Sick-n-the-head.
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@sadolite
Like I said you would pick who wins and who loses.
Huh? Your confused. I,m for win/win. Your stuck in your ego based armpit that begins with all for self and all others can stay out of your way to whatever you so choose to do.
You would decide what people make and what they spend their money on.
Your still confused dude and trying to put me in position of King or authouatarian dictator when I have never suggested any such nonsense. Please play fair.
You would micro manage every aspect of every human being.
Ex people who stick their noses *v* into a pregnant womans bodily business without her consent. My guess is you have more friends a party affiliation with those type of sick-n-the-head people than I do.
I want no part of your collectivism, I would rather starve and suffer during hard times.
Based on your own commments any approach other than your given capatilistic system, will lead to "starve and suffer hard times", so now your contradicting yourself. Do you undestand how your being contradictory Sadolite? No. Yeah, I didnt think so.
I would rather die knowing my attempts in life where for the greatest whole of humanity, and not just my own armpit of existence.
I would rather starve and suffer for my bad life decisions. Which by they I did and still do. I'm just not dumb and naive anymore so my suffering is all but a thing of the past.
Same comments are contradictory to what system is going to lead "starve and suffer".
Your walls of line by line eye bleed are proof of that.
Huh? What nonsense are you going on about here above?
Why did Venezuela fail so miserably and so quickly? ....... Why doesn't it work?
I dunno. You can and have probably already told me why.
You still stuck in your armpit of historical. multiple nation-states, that are inherently pitted against each other.
When you decide your ready evolve into a global community that, has systems of governance are based on spiritual-morals, then perhaps, you will be able to leave your armpit of ego-based capatilism for self/one, and enter a wholistic system of one-for-all and all-for-one mentality.
( * )( * ) = greater wholistic considerations
*V* = self only consideration
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@ethang5
Fetus is organism of pregnant woman not the mother to be.
Pregnant woman is not a mother until the baby is independent individual breathing IN oxygen on its own.
Fetus is unborn human and organism of the pregnant woman not a born-OUT human individual.
Fetus does not breath oxygen. Independent human does.
It is only with the first IN-spiration { inspiriited } breath of oxygen that we can say they exist as a viable and independent human individual.
Fetus is not born yet. Baby as independent human individual has be born out into the world.
Sick-in-the-head people like you, need to keep your ______n nose *v* out of women and espescially pregnant women, unless they give your their consent to stick your nose in their bodily business. Do you understand that Ethang?
No you dont, because you have the morals of frog. Sick-n-the-head is what you are.
Leave pregnant women alone!
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@MagicAintReal
The sun clipsed in west at pm by the horizon of Earth i.e. sun does not set.
The is sun is sighted in East at am as it declipsed by horizon.
There exists no cosmic up and down, there only exists cosmic In, Around and Out directions.
Thank you B. Fuller
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@Greyparrot
Show me an example of a pure race nation that has existed anywhere on the globe at any time of all earth history.
Your confused, as usual dude. No one here has said anything about any "pure race".
You need to address what I state and not what you repeated and falsely project. Fair play and morals are not high in your list of prioritys. Sad :--(
Race nationalism does not even exist, and can never exist, no matter how much you want to wish it into being.
Your and Orange-Parrot Nationalist, Super-Trumpanzee that all are racist, bigoted, thuggish mafia-type bullies not to mention narrow/short sighted/minded. Sad :--(
You and your type need to be Locked Away Today!
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@Outplayz
Reminds of Braxton Hicks contractions i.e. false contractions i.e.l not real contractions.It wasn't referring to his "Boltzmann Brain" idea but it was a cool read anyways.
Infinite ....... non-occupied space exists and embraces/surrounds the following,
.......lacks integrity........
Occupied space Universe is finite ergo wholistic enclosure ( )( )
......integrity is inherent.....
Consciousness is finite.
Time is finite
Gravity is finite
Dark energy is finite
...........................................................SPACE(>*<) i (>*<)SPACE.....................................................................................
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@Outplayz
Edit*: But... i would disagree with this statement if you said, abortion should be allowed even when there is brain activity. By that time if the women hasn't gotten her act together... then, she should be forced to have the kid. She had enough time to do it before.2Edit* Btw... brain activity that equals consciousness happens around 25 weeks... so i think the laws are way before that already so i'm fine with the state of abortions. The 14 week opinion of mine has to do with some other stuff, but i'm fine with abortion as it is.
All is active there is never not any activity going on. Energy = energetic ergo dynamic and in motion ergo active.
Endo - meso -ecto all are active via inversion of egg as resultant of fertilization.
Sperm cause egg to invert upon itself and create those three germ layers and that process is active from point of fertilization.
Fetus is organism of woman that is supplied oxygen and food via umbilical chord. The pregnant woman alone is the only person who has any right to say what happens to her body. Not you or Ethang. Do you understand that Outplayz?
All others need to keep their _____g noses out of a womans body unless she gives her consent for others to stick their noses in her internal operations. Do you understand that Outplayz?
People like you and Ethang have sick-n-the-head mental issues, in these regards.
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@ethang5
Fetus is not a boy scout.
Glad to see you have some rational, logical common sense.
Fetus is not a gregarious individual.
Huh? Are you are mental medications?
Sperm is alive and has no legs.
Egg is alive and has no hair.
Irrelevant and insignificant lame response as it is kinda of like saying egg has no refridgerator.
So what? Anyone can put any silly condition on fetuses, eggs, and sperm. So what?
Truth is never silly except when irrelevant as some of replies to me were.
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@Greyparrot
Nationalism in USA ---Orange-Parrot-- is not only racist and bigoted it is also stupid/dumb because it is dangerous to humanities existence.
1) ..."Nine nations possess roughly 14,525 nuclear weapons."....Samantha Lee/Skye Gould/Business Insider
2) ...."Russian Lt. Col. Stanislav Petrov was the officer on duty at the Oko nuclear warning system on Sept. 26, 1983. The system reported that a missile, which was followed by at least one and as many as five more, were being launched from the U.S.
...Petrov decided it was a false alarm and decided not to retaliate with a nuclear attack on the U.S. and its allies. Because of MAD, it could have been a full-scale nuclear war.
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@Outplayz
Fetus is not a citizen.
Fetus is not an independent individual.
Sperm is alive and has no brain.
Egg is alive and has no brain.
Sick-n-the-head people need to keep their _____g noses out of womens bodies unless woman gives consent.
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@Outplayz
Bacteria are alive and have no brains.Considering being alive requires brain activity...
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@3RU7AL
* Id * = ignorance and irresponsibility ?
......no consideratio of consequences, short sighted.......
* ego * = i or I and responsibility with extreme ego being narccisstic ---see Idio-ump president of USA----- ?
......consideration begins when baby learns they can manipulate those around them.....
* super-ego * = buddha of unattachment { wise old owl } ? and not neither responsible or irresponsible and most omni-considerate
...or as Timothy Leary stated before he died, I found a great new drug, its called senility.......
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Men want to know that they are wanted.
Women want to know that they are attractive.
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Fuller quote:
women are attracters
men are pushers.
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women are managers of time { ( )( ) } toroidal positive pulling-IN and negative repulsive-OUT ergo more comprehensivly omini-considerate
men are time { old man time images } i.e. sine-wave pattern /\/\/ or as ^v^v ergo more single-mindedly focused ---)-> like and arrow trajectory
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@sadolite
Yes capitalism is the only system by which the individual through his own efforts and own risk can create wealth.
Real wealth { 2 }=
1} energy resources to sustain individual and/or whole set { humanity and ecological systems },
2} wealth as metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts of individual and whole set of humanity
No other system allows that.
Again, your lack of spiritual/moral considerations for both individual and whole set of
They all without exception pick and choose who will win and who will lose, pretty much like you would do.
Huh? Again more false projections by you. Your stuck in your armpit of individualism only counts. See narccisstic Super-Trumpanzee mindset https://www.debate.org/Greyparrot/
"You make to much money I have to take it and give it to this person who did nothing to earn it like you did."
Money is not real wealth.
I on the other hand would handle all poverty through the private sector.
"private sector" = pure capatilism ergo no government and no spiritual/moral concerns.
I would give huge tax incentives to donate to private charities.
I see money and taxes being in the way of real wealth and human resources increase or deplete those resources.
Charity = addresses low end of fat class ergo lower standard of living aka poor.
Again we need to be moving away from dumb-bell >< society and toward fewest poor and rich. Again, this is beyond capatilism. This is about spiritual/moral concerns for humanities survival with least amount of sufferring being priority.
You capatlist approach is capatilism first all else will hopfefully fall into place as result of capatilism.
Your stuck in your armpit of capatilism only. That has led to dumb-bell >< society and that is only getting worse. That approach will have bad endings
You have no place for spiritual/moral concerns of humanity and ecological enviroment that sustains all, and none for government.
Private charities would be more mindful of those who deserve help and those who don't.
Your approach >< dumb-bells and those in higher standards are allowed to give to lower standard of living if they choose to.
Your system doesn't differentiate a real person in need and a useless pile of lazy ass shit that will milk your system for every dime they can get.
I dont have a system. I have an approach that begins with spiritual morals.
You have an approach that begins with all for self and all others can stay out of your way to whatever you so choose to do.
You lack both spiritual/moral considerations and a government to regulate the distribution of all resources that tend toward a octahedral <> resultant for humanity standards of living.
<> vs ><
So how to do we get to here <> is the question you and humanity needs to be asking itself.
The question your asking yourself is how to get more for yourself and all else is irrelevant. Narrow/short sighted/minded.
<> inclusive of whole set
>< exclusive of any outside of self
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@Outplayz
Boltzmann, Ludwig,Yeah... let me know if you find it. You'll probably have an easier time locating it than i would since i'm not read up on anything by Fred Hoyles.
270.13-14, 270.25, 441.05, 461.14, 935.14-15, 935.17, 935.25, 936.15, 936.22, 987.075, 1005.611, 1033.56, 1053.17
Yeah... let me know if you find it. You'll probably have an easier time locating it than i would since i'm not read up on anything by Fred Hoyles.
Fuller mentions Boltzman in Synergetics but forget how it references Boltzman to Synergetics geometry, which he does.
What I'm saying is there is cosmic laws/principles that exist as metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts that are inherent to our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe. Do you understand that Outplaz?
Occupied space is always { eternally } complemented by metaphysical-1 shape/geometry/pattern/matematics/formla etc.
Humans have access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts via their nervous system consciousness. Do you understand that Outplaz? Ive tried to get to understand the differrence between these two at DDO and here at DART. What is occupied SPACE the other is concepts of SPACE.
The third aspect of cosmic trinity is macro-infinite non-occupied SPACE. Until you can grasp the Cosmic Trinity you will remain ignorant of many of its subcatories.
No,Outplz, there exists no infinite time only eternal sets of finite time periods as a collective sum-total finite amount within any set time period { now and then }.
SPACE is yes infinite eternal yes, but a finite part of that space is eternally occupied as Universe and you have yet to truly grok that or why it is the only rational, logical common sense conclusion. You choose to remain confused on this issue. Not sure why. Ego? Religion? Afraid you will offend someone?
My hunchs stem from facts/truths, associations and relationships between those facts/truths and rational, logical common sense conclusions from both.
I clearly layout what I mean by inteligence in beginnign of this post and many others over the years.
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@sadolite
"You confusing "spiritual/moral" with the some political parties." EH no, I never once mentioned politics.
All governments inherently have politics, unless there authoritarian but even authocrats/athuortarians need a govenment of cronies to process the dictatorships polices{?}.
You believe pure capitalism only is the way forward for humanity into the future for longest sustainable future.
I believe spiritual/moral based governance is the way for humanities ongest term sustainable future.
I have been citing history and the failed attempts at collectivism throughout history.
Learn from history is one thing. Apply only history to new set of globalism and environmental circumstances affects how we apply what we have learned from history.
Your stuck in nation/state only history and not current with a evolving globally community of Earths all-for-one and one-for-all spiritual/moral way forward.
Just because you say anything about how it will work it never has and never will. You are doomed to repeat history.
Same goes for your "you say anything" about how it work. Oppinions are like belly buttons/navals, every human and mammal has one.
Humanity is doomed to repeat history of they keep operating on a purely nation/state attitude that is exclusive of some humans and inclusive only those of a specific color, class and financial status etc.
World War 1`and 2 was a war/battle of who is going to control worlds minerals and other precious resources on land and at sea.
Soviet Union lost cold war to capitalism from day one when they installed the Berlin wall. It just took years of isolationism for that to be expressed on global scale.
Now we have a new war of global humanity fighting against global humanity vs each human for themself type narccisstic, white nationlist, idio-ump/Super-Trumpanzee attitudes.
One-for-all and all-for-one is pathway forward with least amount of suffering for humanity.
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The spherical and asymmetrical, 4-fold cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron is defined by four great{ bisection } hexagonal planes and the area of those four curved planes are equal the surface area of the spherical cubo-octahedron. And the cubo-octahedron contracts to pass through a 5-fold icosahedral phase/configuration via Fullers jitterbug.
Thank you Archimedes and Fuller. 3-fold 60 tetrahedron, 4-fold cubo-octahedron and 5-fold icosahedron. Primary Trinity of Euclidean, regular.symmetrical Universe.
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept via consciousness, is resultant of brain, not the other way around. Brain accesses metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Asymmetrical brain is wired to access metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Who designed the wiring for such a brain? No body. The wiring may exist eternally as SPACE-Time codeing in cosmic egs ex black holes may contain on their event horizon, such coding.
Black holes { as cosmic eggs } evaporate. Naught is loss, even with black holes tha like Universe have an entropy.
Their entropy{ S } is related to there surface area of event horizon. S = A/4. See four planes that defined cubo-octahedron.
See this link to better understand what can exist on surface of black hole, and keep in mind that the graphic only shows the primary set of 83 great circles. The limit 2ndary, trianary, quadra-nary etc that is possible to exist on surface of black hole is unknown.
So what we see is subdivision of the event horizon of the black hole and those patterns are specific and vary more and more and become more complex.
A lady scientist did lab experiment to reproduce compressive forces associated with meteor impact of earlier Earth and to see those effects on some simple molecules. To her surprise, what she got was more complex molecules as a result of those higher forces.
Whatever emergies synergetically in Universe, is allowed. No cosmic laws/principles can be violated. There is no infinite set of cosmic laws/principles.
Ex there can never exist more than 5, and only five regular/symmetrical convex polyhedra of Universe.
Integrity = finite limits.
Infinite = lack of integrity.
So we have only two kinds of infinite;
1} metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept of infinite this or that ex infinite set of numbers,
2} macro-infinite, non-occupied space that embraces/surrounds our finite occupied space Universe.
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@Plisken
Same non-existent law Super-Trumpanzees use in their incompetency chants starting with the crimminal general Flynn.What kind of law (I presume) are you proposing to lock up people like Grayparrot?
Please do not get me started on the long list of incompetent, mafial-like thuggish, criminal Super-Trumpanzees in USA. Would take way too many pages here at DArt
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Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept via consciousness, is resultant of brain, not the other way. Brain accesses metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Brain is wired to access metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Who designed the wiring for such a brain? No body. The wiring may exist eternally as SPACE-Time codeing in cosmic egs ex black holes may contain on their event horizon, such coding.
Black holes { as cosmic eggs } evaporate. Naught is loss, even with black holes tha like Universe have an entropy.
Their entropy{ S } is related to there surface area of event horizon. S = A/4.
The spherical cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron is defined by four great{ bisection } hexagonal planes and the area of those four curved planes are equal the surface area of the spherical cubo-octahedron.
Thank you Archimedes.
See this link to better understand what can exist on surface of black hole, and keep in mind that the graphic only shows the primary set of 83 great circles. The limit 2ndary, trianary, quadra-nary etc that is possible to exist on surface of black hole is unknown.
So what we see is subdivision of the event horizon of the black hole and those patterns are specific and vary more and more and become more complex.
A lady scientist did lab experiment to reproduce compressive forces associated with meteor impact of earlier Earth and to see those effects on some simple molecules. To her surprise, what she got was more complex molecules as a result of those higher forces.
Whatever emergies synergetically in Universe, is allowed. No cosmic laws/principles can be violated. There is no infinite set of cosmic laws/principles.
Ex there can never exist more than 5, and only five regular/symmetrical convex polyhedra of Universe.
Integrity = finite limits.
Infinite = lack of integrity.
So we have only two kinds of infinite;
1} metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept of infinite this or that ex infinite set of numbers,
2} macro-infinite, non-occupied space that embraces/surrounds our finite occupied space Universe.
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@Outplayz
I think there is intelligence beyond human intelligence.
What I'm saying is there is cosmic laws/principles that exist as metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts that are inherent to our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe. Do you understand that Outplaz?
Occupied space is always { eternally } complemented by metaphysical-1 shape/geometry/pattern/matematics/formla etc.
Humans have access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts via their nervous system consciousness. Do you understand that Outplaz? Ive tried to get to understand the differrence between these two at DDO and here at DART. What is occupied SPACE the other is concepts of SPACE.
The third aspect of cosmic trinity is macro-infinite non-occupied SPACE. Until you can grasp the Cosmic Trinity you will remain ignorant of many of its subcatories.
Given seemingly infinite time and space...
No, there exists no infinite time only eternal sets of finite time periods as a collective sum-total finite amount within any set time period { now and then }.
SPACE is yes infinite eternal yes, but a finite part of that space is eternally occupied as Universe and you have yet to truly grok that or why it is the only rational, logical common sense conclusion. You choose to remain confused on this issue. Not sure why. Ego? Religion? Afraid you will offend someone?
A hunch in the end of the day.
My hunchs stem from facts/truths, associations and relationships between those facts/truths and rational, logical common sense conclusions from both.
Have you ever heard of a Boltzmann Brain? If so, is that what the intelligent universe means?
I clearly layout what I mean by inteligence in beginnign of this post and many others over the years.
If not, i'll check it out online to see what i can find about it.
Have you read Fred Hoyles Intelligent Universe? Fuller mentions Boltzman in Synergetics but forget how it references Boltzman to Synergetics geometry, which he does. I can try and find it if we stay engaged on this issue of Abiogenisis
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@3RU7AL
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept via consciousness, is resultant of brain, not the other way. Brain accesses metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Brain is wired to access metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Who designed the wiring for such a brain? No body. The wiring may exist eternally as SPACE-Time codeing in cosmic egs ex black holes may contain on their event horizon, such coding.
Black holes { as cosmic eggs } evaporate. Naught is loss, even with black holes tha like Universe have an entropy.
Their entropy{ S } is related to there surface area of event horizon. S = A/4.
The spherical cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron is defined by four great{ bisection } hexagonal planes and the area of those four curved planes are equal the surface area of the spherical cubo-octahedron.
Thank you Archimedes.
See this link to better understand what can exist on surface of black hole, and keep in mind that the graphic only shows the primary set of 83 great circles. The limit 2ndary, trianary, quadra-nary etc that is possible to exist on surface of black hole is unknown.
So what we see is subdivision of the event horizon of the black hole and those patterns are specific and vary more and more and become more complex.
A lady scientist did lab experiment to reproduce compressive forces associated with meteor impact of earlier Earth and to see those effects on some simple molecules. To her surprise, what she got was more complex molecules as a result of those higher forces.
Whatever emergies synergetically in Universe, is allowed. No cosmic laws/principles can be violated. There is no infinite set of cosmic laws/principles.
Ex there can never exist more than 5, and only five regular/symmetrical convex polyhedra of Universe.
Integrity = finite limits.
Infinite = lack of integrity.
So we have only two kinds of infinite;
1} metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept of infinite this or that ex infinite set of numbers,
2} macro-infinite, non-occupied space that embraces/surrounds our finite occupied space Universe.
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@Greyparrot
Trump is fully prepared to fund and build tent cities at the border for people looking for handouts. I'd say that's a sweet little globalist village. When the parasites get tired of living in tents, they can go back home and start building houses like everyone else.
Lock the Incompetent White Nationalist Super-Trrumpanzees Away Today!
They belong on the other side of a fence called a cage. This is minimal brainer for civilized peoples who have global agenda for all humans and not just the white humans who are sick-n-the-head.
What is the differrence between skin-head white nationalist and Super-Trumpanzee? Nada.
Lock Them Away!
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@disgusted
Yeah, idio-ump stayed away from Vietnam via bone-spurs. OMG I guess bone spur removal technology was not very well known then, or was it?You mean like Trump and Vietnam?
$200 bucks they want to grind away bone spurs from both of my rotor cuffs 2018.
Lock Super-Trumpanzees Away Today!
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@Buddamoose
I was personally surprised to find out, since nationalism is racist, that Ghandi and the Dalai Llama were/are racist AF.
Another sick-n-the-head Super-Trumpanzee https://www.debate.org/Greyparrot/
This is just more incompetence expressing itself. Comparing 1930's - 40's mind-set of the removal of ruling oppressive foreignors from a nation to current day oppressed immigrants is, well, just intelelctually incompetent.
Take a hike Bmoose, until you actually learn what rational, logical common sense is. Sad :--( we still have so many uneducated children these days with access to DArt and the internet.
Must be and ideo-illogical thing going on with white nationalist. Sad :--(
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@Greyparrot
Obviously you have not grasp of growing and evolving global community --it takes a village--.That's fine, as long as you remain on your side of the fence.
Narcissist idio-ump and his Super-Trumpanzees cannot get outside their nationalist{ USA white } armpit.
Incompetence breeds more incompetence and idio-umps sons are perfect example of this.
Idio-ump married incompetence.
The white nationalist community is fundamentally incompetent.
Lock Them All Away Today! On the other side of civilized community fence. In a fenced in cage where they belong.
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@sadolite
I've offered no "approach" other than a spiritual/moral basis of one-for-all and all-for-one. Ya that's called socialism, try to comprehend the words that come out of your own mouth.
You confusing "spiritual/moral" with the some political parties. Ive yet to see any political party based on/in "spiritual/moral". Your confused.
You are saying the individual doesn't matter, the individual's efforts are not for the individual they are for the state which will distribute the individual's wealth to other people who have done nothing "All for one"= wealth redistribution "one for all" = You work for the state not yourself.
You continually/repeatedly make false projections of my spiritual/moral intentions. This is 3rd time Ive asked you to play fair and you never respond to that or certainly never play fair. Why is that?
Ghandi stated those who believe spiritual has nothing to do with politics, know nothing about spirituality. I think you fall into this catagory.
All-for-one and one-for-all is spiritual/moral viewpoint to start from. A political party one possible resultant of such spiritual morality.
Nationalism in USA = white nationalism ergo racist bigoted, and that is what incompotent idio-ump and his Super-Trumpanzees { https://www.debate.org/Greyparrot/ } represent. Sad :--(
The french president had some comments about nationalism today, in rebuking the narccisstic{ self only } idio-ump/Trumpanzees.
If you believe capatilism is the answer to all of humanities problems your sadly mistaken.
Fuller once said that if all the governments of the world stop functioning, that humanity would manage to flow along fine without them.
I disagree wit Fuller on this point and others he has made. Humanity and governance will always go hand-n-hand.
Government is on the tail of the dragon capatilism, trying to steer if from behind. Well, that is how fish and cetacceans partially steer themselves, from behind.
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@MagicAintReal
The first cells metabolized with amino acids and replicated with RNA...that's it.
We have no direct evidence of "first cells" ergo no direct evidence of abiognesis.
You don't need to make "biological bilateral souls"
Huh? I never made that statement you put in quotes.
You really need to improve your reading comprehension skills if you want to have a rational, logical common sense discussion.
I will repeat again{ read my lips text as stated and not as you falsely present }, until you get it ---never?--, there exists no direct evidence of abiolgenisis or any other kind of genisis.
Mustard...............5
Magic.......-1..0.
You need to begin with ( )SPACE-Time-)(SPACE)( associated with black holes, my geonumerical great tori as via Fullers Synergetic based great circles.
When you want see beyond your nose you will have to place and widen your narrow set of viewpoints and attempt rational, logical common sense considerations that stem from facts truths etc.
Of course you will need to place your ego to the side. As Ive had to do many times over the years, to arrive at my rational, logical common sense conclusions
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