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@Vader
Ok my travis scott burger is here let me eat
You had McD's delivered? Quelle bourgeoise.
I don't really know the work of Travis Scott but the meal deal came up the other day and my sister-in-law says, "pfffh, I would never order a Travis Scott burger" then I read what in the meal deal and my nephew says "Mom, that is exactly what you order from Mcdonald's every time, including side of BBQ sauce!"
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@skittlez09
what is your NP report as specifically as possible?
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@Intelligence_06
->@oromagiWell I wasn't aware that my PM says that the mimic I have isn't the normal mimic. It is a variant in which the person I visit doesn't lose their role. I forgot to include it in my claim before because I wasn't aware that it was not the normal mimic. Sorry
but that's not nearly good enough, man
You actually reached out and grabbed a specific role description and included it with your claim. That role description contradicts your claim here. You can't tell me you didn't read that dynamic and we also know you go out and read the play advice for you role from various sites (as do I).
Nope, I think you are caught red handed. If you want to live one more night for a chance to recruit once more, you can give up skittlez entirely and we'll lynch him first.
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Er, I am a bit lost here on how you arrived to this conclusion. Not the recruiter part, but the part about skittlez being the recruiter.
No you're probably right. Intel is claiming he did the visiting and no watch/tracks claims are out there so he's more likely to be telling the truth there. Also, if skitz was telling the truth about RB DP1, he would be the most appetizing candidate for recruitment
UNVOTE
VTL Intel
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I might also say that my role offers indirect evidence of SCUM recruitment
If I am right, then skitz is the likely recruiter and should be prioritized
VTL skittlez09
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If Intel is telling the truth, then he converted RB to VANILLA and said nothing about it and skittlez also said nothing about it.
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@Vader
-->@oromagiTbh, he posted a link from a shitty site...Quote from MU:The Mimic is a town-aligned role that once per game may target another player at night and learn their alignment. Depending on what alignment that player has, the Mimic will be converted into a different role.We also know Bullish said this is a rolemad. My role has a variant to it as well, so I'm willing to believe this isn't the idle type of Mimic.
WTF?
why are you editing out the part that confirms what I just said?
The Mimic is a town-aligned role that once per game may target another player at night and learn their alignment. Depending on what alignment that player has, the Mimic will be converted into a different role. If the targeted player is town (or Godfather), the Mimic will steal their role, and the targeted person will become Vanilla Townie. If the Mimic targets a mafia-aligned player (or a Miller), the Mimic will become a Vanilla Townie. If the Mimic targets a third party or independently aligned player, the Mimic will be converted to an Amnesiac.
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@Speedrace
@oromagibut Intel posted a link to explain the way his role worksIntel isn't known for being a reliable source lol
but Intel is and Intel knew he a transformed a PR to a VANILLA and didn't mention during the how many VANILLAs discussion
epic mafia and drafterman's list agree that if Intel was telling the truth, skittlez became VANILLA overnight
mafiascum.net does not have a MIMIC role
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@Vader
The Mimic role is a variant role for how it works. It depends on how the mod uses it.
but Intel posted a link to explain the way his role works
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@Speedrace
@oromagiI think the role just works differently lol
explain
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I have totally revamped my thinking
Intel claims to have mimicked RB and acquired RB skill. According to the role description included by Intel that would transform skittlez into VANILLA. He would have rec'd some post overnight saying he's now VANILLA
but
skittlez has posted 7 times without mentioning that he lost his PR overnight. I have posted a board with two RB's and neither Intel or skittlez corrected.
During the "how many VANILLAs" dispute, skittlez said nothing and Intel said there is probably only one VANILLA when his claimed night action added one VANILLA to the game- which he did not see fit to say then but claims out of the blue now.
My theory is that skittlez is scum recruiter who successfully recruited Intel last night.
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@Lunatic
Reads on
I don't like warren's VANILLA but at least he has claimed something
Pie and Supa could totally be scum- lean Pie for aggressive play
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@Vader
Did you mimic anyone
Intel gave claim and night action in the same post. How could absorb role claim and not night action claim>
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@Lunatic
lmao luckily siranonymous isn't even in this game.
lynch all liars:
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@Lunatic
Me and SirAnonymous were able to deduce most of the power roles last phase
scum slip
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N. Danielle BiNG ROLECOP (random)
TOWN
N. oromagi
N. BearMan
N. Intelligence_06 Deep Fake MIMIC >> ROLEBLOCKER
N(W). skittlez09 VPN ROLEBLOCKER
N. MisterChris Chromebook VANILLA
N. Speedrace
N. SupaDudz
N. Lunatic
N. ILikePie5
10. Warren2 Smartfridge VANILLA
SCUM
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@warren42
Pie is probably town in my opinion. He's certainly not vanilla in case that wasn't yet clear, but based on meta he's also probably not a town negative utility role. He's either scum or town and has a positive utility.
Why do you suppose Pie lied about never seeing VANILLA in a rolemad game when we see that all time and know Pie has seen that all the time?
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out of warren an chris im more inclined to vote chris
warren/that1 sat out all of DP1 and showed up only to claim VANILLA. Just as Pie was lying about how VANILLAs are never found in rolemadness, Chris came out with second VANILLA claim. Too my thinking no scum would falsely take such risk. Chris is more likely town than warren
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@Bullish
that's good- debateart is moving up on the google algorithm
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N. Danielle BiNG ROLECOP (random)
TOWN
N. oromagi
N. BearMan
N. Intelligence_06
N. Speedrace
N. SupaDudz
N. Lunatic
N. ILikePie5
N. MisterChris Chromebook VANILLA
N(W). skittlez09 VPN ROLEBLOCKER
10. Warren2 Smartfridge VANILLA
SCUM
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@MisterChris
I recall that both you & Pie jumped on skittlez in the last hour of the DP, after I put on vote on skitz. Neither of you had much of explanation for shifting and it kind of felt d like scum hungry for lynch.
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@ILikePie5
Anyone have any results they’d like to share? Or should I say I told you so?
? Did you predict no results NP1? Can you give us a link? On what did you base such an assertion?
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N. Danielle BiNG ROLECOP (random)
TOWN
N. oromagi
N. BearMan
N. Intelligence_06
N. Speedrace
N. SupaDudz
N. Lunatic
N. MisterChris
N. ILikePie5
N(W). skittlez09 VPN ROLEBLOCKER
AWoL
10. Warren2
SCUM
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skittle (3/6) - oro, Chris, pie,
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I'd call Chris or Pie likelier scum DP2 for these late moves
Chris came off VTNL, pie came off Warren
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Hope Hicks
has got
the sicks
from her toes up
to her tits
white with virus
to the iris
blue lips....wet armpits
Hope Trump
has got
the mumps
from his toupee
to his rump
orange with ego
hell here we go
white lips....wet with spit
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@Danielle
not much else to go on
ok, I'll vote for skittlez
UNVOTE
VTL skittlez09
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@Intelligence_06
South park? As american as it seems, it doesn't seem very south at all. Argentina is south. Lesotho is south. South park is rather north.
Well, its all relative isn't it? There an island in Alaska called South American Island to distinguish it as the more Southern of two islands not belonging to Russian trappers.
Similarly, South Park got its name from French Trappers who hunted the American West for centuries before English speakers got here. The Platte River is one of the great long rivers than travel across the high plains between the Rocky Mountains and the Mississippi River. In Western Nebraska, the river splits into great forks. The northern branch goes winds north around the Medicine Bow mountain range in southern Wyoming and begins in a place called North Park, Colorado- a beautiful place I know pretty well.
A park in this context is wide mountain valley with slow drainage which makes the valley floor very flat and fertile.
The South Fork of the Platte winds through Northern Colorado. My hometown, Denver CO, was built where the South Platte comes out of the mountains and is fed by a large number of fast moving mountain creeks. The river begins in a place 50 miles southwest of Denver called South Park- the South is relative to French trappers. 50 miles south of South Park is a town called Del Norte mean ing"The North" , called so by Spanish Conquistadors because that was the northernmost point of their explorations out of Mexico City.
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@Danielle
@oromagiI am clueless about what pre-game actions might portend.I assumed it meant the game started in the night phase, but nobody said they were asked to submit a night action. There also doesn't seem to be a NK indicating Luna might be right - there may have been some sort of recruitment or some other TP win con implemented/started.
good point. No town has reported any actions so it was likely some scum/TP benefit. enough time that skitz's claim might even be some gambit, bait or landmine. perhaps not a great lynch for DP1 but it doesn't feel like a better candidate will be forthcoming.
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@Lunatic
I was a little confused about that. If I had to guess, then it is recruitment
yuck
Would you say its likely 2 scum/1 TP in an 11p game?
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@Danielle
@Lunatic
I would like to hear Lunatic and Danielle talk about "roles with pre-game actions" have you seen this type of game before? Any roles or game standards particularly associated with pre-game actions. I am clueless about what pre-game actions might portend.
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@Speedrace
-->@DanielleSo? (I don't get it.) Who do you wanna pressure?This means that skittlez does add on to his PM sometimes, meaning that him saying he wins with town isn't significant.I'd like to pressure That1 when she arrives
people adapt. I think we are smarter to play against the lies on the table rather than hope we can guess the true intentions behind the lie. Can you give links for your defense of skitz?
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@MisterChris
The question is, why would he claim day 1 as scum?
On the other hand, he could be some kind of IED trying to lure the lynch or investigation.
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@MisterChris
The question is, why would he claim day 1 as scum?
Well, he's claimed day 1 scum or town in all recent games, right? - maybe somebody else can research the numbers. Failure to claim anything right off the bat would seems suspicious now. GP always claims DP1 and when he fails to claim he's usually sus'd for it. (if I remember right, the last time he failed to claim DP1 he was in fact scum). Even if skitz's instinct as scum was to remain quiet, he may have gotten pressure from scum mates to claim RB early and hope for cred.
If skitz had not claimed anything by this point, he might have been read as even more scummy than fake claiming.
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@Vader
-->@oromagiWhy do you consider skittlez as a false claim?
is there some other interpretation?
wassup yall im VPNs an i protect yo privacy by securely connecting you to the VPN provider, who then interfaces with a internet or the internet for u. im also pretty used in corporate environments so employees can access the company network safetly. im a rb i win with town.
Unprompted, PRO claims a leans-scum ROLE and offers 4 sentences we are meant to interpret as a paraphrase of his PM. The fourth sentence clearly claims a wincon is an ordinary format we've seen as recently as last game. 70% of the remaining town reports no wincon in their PM and the remaining 30% has failed to report.
oops mb it doesnt say thative been in so many games with the wincon i didnt even notice lol
but skitz isn't looking at old PM's, he's apparently looking at the PM Bullish gave him and apparently decided to manufacture a wincon when he noticed he had none, assuming that like most games, TOWN would have some standard wincon. This is a fairly classic scum slip and (combined with role claim) the odds that skitz is SCUM is much higher than we usually get in DP1. The argument for keeping him alive is that uncareful, inattentive scum can be tricked into revealing more about their partners.
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TOWN
N. oromagi
N. MisterChris
N. Intelligence_06
N. ILikePie5
N. Speedrace
N. SupaDudz
N. BearMan
8. Lunatic
7. Danielle
(W)N. skittlez09 VPN ROLEBLOCKER
AWoL
10. That1User
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- That1user is AWOL
- Lunatic and Danielle have not advised regarding wincon
- I am down with VTL'ing skittlez for false claim or That1user for noshow
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@MisterChris
As for theme split. I have a few ideas...1. could be Manufacturer vs Everybody. Like Apple v. World or Microsoft v. World.2. Could be a certain type of tech. Like computers vs. phones. Or tablets vs. everyone.3. It could have to do with OS. Like macOS or Windows, maybe even Linux.We can analyze as people claim... I have a feeling it's something like the options above, though.
My character claim is more conceptual- a field of research in computing. No specific OS, software, device or brand is specified.
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N. oromagi
N. MisterChris
N. Intelligence_06
9. ILikePie5
N. Speedrace
8. Lunatic
N. SupaDudz
N. BearMan
7. Danielle
W. skittlez09 VPN ROLEBLOCKER
AWoL
10. That1User
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@Speedrace
The it in that sentence referred to coding lol
sure, cod goes well with a nice stout
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N. oromagi
W. skittlez09 VPN ROLEBLOCKER
N. MisterChris
N. Intelligence_06
9. ILikePie5
N. Speedrace
8. Lunatic
N. SupaDudz
N. BearMan
AWoL
7. Danielle
10. That1User
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@skittlez09
-->@SupaDudzYou need to stop outing your role to everyone. It's a shitty habit to do and it's cause for a scum read because scum believing claiming early gives them town cred. I've been sus of you since you started doing it, and every time you flipped town. Stop doing this shitty early claim thing because it does nothing to help townill stand by my decision to claim early last game but the other times were pretty unnecessary an i should stop before it gets worsecuz if i get a power role im fucked lmao
OK, so that's six no wincons vs 1 wincon. Go back and re-read your PM , please and confirm that your PM says "you win with the town"
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@Speedrace
I've never had alcohol and I love it
you cannot love what you've never had
Guinness is good for you
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@Vader
I don’t have a win con, and I would normally be sus about it, but how would you claim it as town if you didn’t have a wincon?
by lying. Skitz has certainly seen enough 'you win with the town' to fake it and claiming town roleblocker is a reasonable & effective claim for a scum roleblocker.
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wassup yall im VPNs an i protect yo privacy by securely connecting you to the VPN provider, who then interfaces with a internet or the internet for u. im also pretty used in corporate environments so employees can access the company network safetly. im a rb i win with town.
I do not have a wincon at all. Clearly, skitz has a wincon. That's interesting. Does everybody else have a wincon? are the wincons all like skittles?
MafiaWiki
: The role is very commonly seen as part of the Mafia, but can also be useful for the Town.
Generally, Roleblockers are intended to try to stop the Night-kill, or stop scum power roles in situations where they are known. In practice, Roleblockers are more likely to stop Town power roles from working early on, but as the game goes on Roleblockers become much more powerful. In particular, when there is one Mafioso left Roleblockers can be used to confirm players - if the Mafia's kill goes through, whoever was blocked that Night isn't the last Mafioso. Inversely, if a Roleblocker blocks someone and the Mafia's kill disappears, there is a decent chance that the Roleblocker blocked the scum who was performing the kill (though this is not necessarily the case, given that other power roles may have had a hand in it, or the scum decided to not kill anyone as a framing gambit). In summary, Town Roleblockers are almost liabilities early on but become much stronger if they survive to lategame, so they have net positive value for Town.
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