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That list does have the most famous generals, but there are others that aren't on the list. For instance, Nathaniel Lyon, Union hero in Missouri and one of the first generals to die in the war, isn't on that list. Henry Halleck, C-in-C of the Army for part of the war, isn't on the list. Those are the only names I can think of off the top of my head in a couple minutes. There are plenty of others.
Good example.  I'd say Halleck should be about as famous as Ewell, at any rate.  Of course, there are many , many more Union generals.
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@Lunatic
@SirAnonymous
Yes. My Role PM says "Major General" Which I assume is the same thing.j
Yes although many famous generals never achieved that rank.  There are certainly Major Generals on this list who are not known to me  and I can't assume it includes all major generals.

Are you Lincoln?
No. Lincoln is mentioned in my PM though.

Are you TP?
I am town homie
OK.  I think we just table this info for the time being.  Is anybody else not on the list?
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@Lunatic
I am town and not on that list, but the way my PM describes me I seem important, so I don't know if I would bank on that list much. Though I am not much of a historian so I don't know many of these generals except for the big names.
This strikes me as important information.  That list seem to cover enough names that I would expect any list of top 6 union generals or famous union general would be a subset.

  • Can you confirm you are a general in the Union army?
  • Are you Lincoln?
  • Are you TP?

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@Mharman
While what Lunatic said about Oromagi makes a lot of sense, and Oromagi's claims about himself are dubious but believable, that doesn't answer my scum read on Bearman or That1User. Personally I'm more suspicious of That1User.
beyond confederate I haven't made any claims to doubt.
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I wonder if anybody feels that they have a claim so scummy or unusual that they ought to claim DP1.

  • Millers or other non-power roles that might turn up sus under investigation.
  • Any general names that are WAY off the beaten path.  The wikipedia list is too complete but perhaps if your general's name is not on this list

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@Mharman
thx for the detailed reply
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@Mharman
@SirAnonymous
The question in Post #8 was just an impulse.  I'm happy that we sorted 6blue/6grey and that everybody checked in pretty early.   Beyond that, I'm not sure much was gained but that's fine as a first result.

2 union, 2 town was an unfortunate typo.  Should have read 2 union, 2 confederate.   I encourage you not to read to much into it but if I caught somebody else making that kind of typo I would certainly drop that person a rung or two down the  scum ladder.
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TOWN
C3.Oromagi 
CX. Croc                        John Magruder           1X VOYEUR
CX.. Greyparrot      James Longstreet              VANILLA (HATED)
U3.SirAnonymous
U2.TNBinc                       (Rosencrans)                                       (1X)
CX. That1User   
U3.MisterChris  
U3. BearMan 
U3.Lunatic  
C3. Mharman     
C3. Speedrace  
U3. SupaDudz 
     
SCUM


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UNVOTE
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@TNBinc
-->@oromagi
I'm 3

Pie said I win with the town
OK but then you said

I don't invest much in the discrepancy because you are new and may not appreciate that perfect reproduction was the point of the answer.  Nevetheless, that makes you 2.

Did you include the in your earlier post?
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@TNBinc
  1. You are Town.
  2. You win with Town
  3. You win with the Town

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TOWN
C3.Oromagi 
CX. Croc                        John Magruder           1X VOYEUR
CX.. Greyparrot      James Longstreet              VANILLA (HATED)
U3.SirAnonymous
U2.TNBinc                       (Rosencrans)                                       (1X)
CX. That1User   
U3.MisterChris  
U3. BearMan 
U3.Lunatic  
C3. Speedrace  
U3. SupaDudz 
C3. Mharman     
     
SCUM

UVC

Croc (4/7) - Greyparrot, That1User, TNBinc, Lunatic
Mharman (1/7) Oro



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@Mharman
VTL Mharman

What should TOWN know about your character/role?
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@Crocodile
VOYEUR is like TRACKER- can be either alignment

I agree with SA that the role is useful, testable, and not a particular suspect claim

UNVOTE 

Croc- If you are TOWN you can prove that by using VOYEUR NP1 and reporting your findings with alacrity
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TOWN
C3.Oromagi 
U3.SirAnonymous
U3.MisterChris  
U3. SupaDudz 
U3. BearMan 
U2.TNBinc                       (Rosencrans)                                       (1X)
U3.Lunatic  
C3. Speedrace  
CX.. Greyparrot      James Longstreet              VANILLA (HATED)
CX. That1User           
C3. Mharman               
CX. Croc                        John Magruder           1X VOYEUR
SCUM


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@TNBinc
good thx
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@TNBinc

@oromagi
what is a "wincon"?
Short for win condition.  Some games permit discussion of win condition, some don't.  IF its allowed then being an early wincom claimant can offer some
solid town cred.  Obviously, after a couple of people have offered the same phrase, scum is clued in.  Watch the second wave of claimants for scum.

  • You are Town.
  • You win with Town
  • You win with the Town

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@GP

Some of the many criticisms of Longstreet's Gettysburg performance by the postbellum Lost Cause authors cite this failure as evidence that Longstreet deliberately undermined Lee's plan for the battle.
Exactly.  The Lost Cause was bullshit racism popularized by Klan resurgence.  Those people who tried to rewrite history in conformance with contemporary political propaganda .  That makes the Lost Cause the opposite of history.
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Although the assault is known to popular history as Pickett's Charge, overall command was given to James Longstreet, and Pickett was one of his divisional commanders. Lee did tell Longstreet that Pickett's fresh division should lead the assault, so the name is appropriate, although some recent historians have used the name Pickett–Pettigrew–Trimble Assault (or, less frequently, Longstreet's Assault) to more fairly distribute the credit (or blame). 
I'd agree that Longstreet's Assault is a more accurate name for the attack than Pickett's Charge but Longstreet bears no more responsibility for the attack than Pickett.  Longstreet didn't attend the staff meeting the night before and Lee rode out the morning of Jul 3 to find him planning an new assault on Big Round Top (which Longstreet did not know were now heavily reinforced).  This messed up Lee's plan so Lee changed it up and ordered a mass attack on the center.  Longstreet correctly warned Lee that this was a big mistake but Lee insisted. 

Lee would agree with historians that he ordered the attack, not Longstreet.

As soldiers straggled back to the Confederate lines along Seminary Ridge, Lee feared a Union counteroffensive and tried to rally his center, telling returning soldiers and Wilcox that the failure was "all my fault". Pickett was inconsolable for the rest of the day and never forgave Lee for ordering the charge. When Lee told Pickett to rally his division for the defense, Pickett allegedly replied, "General, I have no division."
But Lee enjoyed a cultlike popularity and so blame shifted in the popular imagination  Longstreet was on the verge of making a different fatal mistake for different reasons so Lee's change up was not less likely to doom the Confederacy that day than Longstreet's plan but officially Longstreet objected to Pickett's Charge and carried out that attack under protest.
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@That1User
@Crocodile
@TNBinc
+@GP

i have you down for no wincon 
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@Lunatic
Roger that.  SIx union, six rebs

TOWN
C3.Oromagi 
U3.SirAnonymous
U3.MisterChris  
U3. SupaDudz 
U3. BearMan 
UX.TNBinc  
U3.Lunatic  
C3. Speedrace  
CX.. Greyparrot      James Longstreet              VANILLA (HATED)
CX. That1User           
C3. Mharman               
CX. Croc                        
SCUM

UVC


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C3.Oromagi c3
U3.SirAnonymous
U3.MisterChris  
U3. SupaDudz 
U3. BearMan 
UX.TNBinc  
XX.Lunatic  
C3. Speedrace  
CX.. Greyparrot      James Longstreet              VANILLA (HATED)
CX. That1User           
C3. Mharman               
CX. Croc                        
SCUM

UVC



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@Lunatic
DId you give side and wincon yet?
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The trouble with just quick lynching croc is he might not warn us if he's something useful like COP
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@GP

I am hated townie because I was responsible for ordering Pickett's charge.

But that's the opposite of the truth.  

"For years after the war Longstreet's reputation suffered and was blamed for the failed attack even though Lee ordered the advance after Longstreet's repeated advice to cancel the attack."

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im currently in the hospital
please get will soon.  update date this thread to confirm when you are better.
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@GP

Did I miss your blue/grey claim or are you holding out?
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TOWN
5. Oromagi c3
3. SirAnonymous u3
6. MisterChris  u3
2. SupaDudz u3
1. BearMan u3
12. TNBinc  ux
7. Lunatic  xx
8. Speedrace  c3
11. Greyparrot          xx            VANILLA (HATED)
10. That1User           cx
4. Mharman               c3
9. Croc                        cx
SCUM

UVC
SupaDudz (2/7) -  TNBinc
BearMan (1/7) - SupaDudz
Croc (1/7) - SirAnonymous, oromagi


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My dad talked to him at length as a fan and I mostly just listened. We were visiting one of the battlefields because my Dad was a Civil War nut and took us everywhere to all the battlesites from Vicksburg to Gettysburg.
and Foote was just hanging around the battlefield.  That so awesome.

I was a kid in DC so I know Gettysburg and Harper's Ferry and Hampton Roads pretty well.  I used to play a lot of those old Avalon Hill military strategy games with all the little chits so I feel like I know some battlefields intimately.  I would really like to see Shiloh and Chattanooga and I wish I had a month to walk Stonewall Jackson's campaign in the Shenandoah Valley (mostly because of Foote's description of that time and place).
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@SirAnonymous
I would also recommend Bruce Catton's Civil War trilogy and James McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom.

I liked McPherson a lot.  I've never read Catton.
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@MisterChris
It's a big purchase so I'd recommend giving your money to a small bookstore (as opposed to Amazon)  if possible.
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@ GP

no way!  I am so jealous!

I met Tennessee Williams' little brother once when he was drunk and in drag but he wasn't interested in talking about writing.

Ken Burns lives in Telluride and is sort an unofficial mascot of the Telluride Film Festival.  When I volunteered there last year, Burns made a point of coming over and talking to me and so we talked about Foote briefly.  Burns can quote long passages from that book from memory.
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@That1User
@oromagi
Shelby Foote's "The CIvil War: A Narrative" is the finest history on the subject I've ever read.
How is this narrative focus written 
Foote is considered part of that generation of great Southern writers including Faulkner, WIlliams, Warren.  He wrote as a broken-hearted Southerner whose analysis of race, slavery, Southern rights eventually challenges and tears down each of his deeply rooted patriarchal,  romantic beliefs.  Ultimately, his condemnation of Succession and modern racism is more authentic and personal than any other.

If you've ever seen Burn's classic documentary, he used Foote's trilogy as his framework and Foote is frequently interviewed for the high drama moments.

When Foote says narrative he means it. The battles unfold with thrilling drama and detail, minor characters are constantly rising and falling.  The writing is exquisitely clear and evocative.   He did all of his writing with an ink pen.

The whole trilogy is epic in size and scale as well- 1.2 million words.
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Shelby Foote's "The CIvil War: A Narrative" is the finest history on the subject I've ever read.
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@TNBinc
see above message to you
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what does c3 ux xx cx u3 mean
that is my notetaking on how people responded to my questions.  I generally like to publish my reads in a very informational public format but don't take that as gospel because you never know who might be scum.  You are welcome to use those posts as reference but keep in mind I might be manipulating data to my advantage.  Other people publish their reads in other formats.


everybody must choose one from each list

  • You are Town.
  • You win with Town
  • You win with the Town
CONFEDERATE
or
UNION

those who answer quickly are less likely scum


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oops

Croc (3/7) - SirAnonymous, That1User, Oromagi
BearMan (2/7) - SupaDudz, TNBinc


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UVC
SupaDudz (2/7) -  TNBinc
BearMan (1/7) - SupaDudz
Croc (1/7) - SirAnonymous, oromagi



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5. Oromagi c3
3. SirAnonymous u3
6. MisterChris  xx
2. SupaDudz u3
1. BearMan u3
12. TNBinc  ux
7. Lunatic  xx
8. Speedrace  c3
11. Greyparrot          xx            VANILLA (HATED)
10. That1User           cx
4. Mharman               c3

AWOL
9. Croc 
SCUM

UNVOTE
CROC is the only slacker left.  Ergo,
VTL Croc

My initial scum team is Lunatic, MisterChris, and GreyParrot based on non-response to basic TOWN question, blue or grey?

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@TNBinc
@oromagi
Pie said my character prevented a union defeat also.

As in the most famous prevention of Union defeat?  As in the Battle of Little Round Top?
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@TNBinc
I searched my character up. He is union.

My PM from Pie said I was Confederate explicitly.  I take it that your PM from Pie did not say whether you were Union or Confederate explicitly?

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5. Oromagi c3
3. SirAnonymous u3
6. MisterChris  xx
2. SupaDudz u3
1. BearMan u3
12. TNBinc  xx
7. Lunatic  xx
8. Speedrace  c3

AWOL
4. Mharman
9. Croc 
11. Greyparrot
10. That1User 
SCUM

UVC
SupaDudz (2/7) -  TNBinc
BearMan (1/7) - SupaDudz
Croc (1/7) - SirAnonymous
Mharman (1/7) - oromagi

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5. Oromagi 
3. SirAnonymous u3
6. MisterChris  xx
2. SupaDudz u3
1. BearMan u3
12. TNBinc  xx
7. Lunatic  xx
8. Speedrace  c3

AWOL
4. Mharman
9. Croc 
11. Greyparrot
10. That1User 
SCUM

UVC
SupaDudz (2/7) -  TNBinc
BearMan (1/7) - SupaDudz
Croc (1/7) - SirAnonymous
Mharman (1/7) - oromagi


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@Mharman
quickly now, union or rebel?

UNVOTE 

VTL Mharman
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5. Oromagi 
3. SirAnonymous u3
6. MisterChris  xx
10. That1User xx
2. SupaDudz u3
1. BearMan u3
7. Lunatic  xx
8. Speedrace  c3

AWOL
4. Mharman
9. Croc 
11. Greyparrot
12. TNBinc 
SCUM

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With Speed's recent claim that makes the theme a bit harder to define. I have a couple of theories:

North vs. South Heritage

Good vs. Bad Generals (performance, morals, etc)


beards vs mustaches

Whatever happens McClellan is scum
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@MisterChris
a->@oromagi@Speedrace
True. Oromagi, where do you read on your own quiz? 

  • You are Town.
  • You win with Town
  • You win with the Town
CONFEDERATE
or
UNION

I am CONFEDERATE.  I win with the Town
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@MisterChris

--> @SirAnonymous
You just called a vote mod a horse?
A title I will graciously accept

a horse is  a horse
of course of course
and no one should ad hom
a mod of course
that is o god
unless the mod
is the famous MisterChris

a mod loves his horse
with no recourse
and no mod should act odd
with a horse of course
that is oh piss
unless the mod
is a centuar: MisterChris

a centaurs a beast
if not policed
watch out for such critters
or be soon deceased
that is at least
unless the beast
is the moderate MisterChris
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2 union
2 town

quickly, people.  the faster you answer the more you are town
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