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Bullish
AWOL
Skittlez
SirAnon
Crocodile
SCUM
5 votes to lynch.
Pie(1/5)-Supa
Supa(2/5)-oro, bullish
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Oromagi
SirAnon
Crocodile
Bullish
SCUM
5 votes to lynch.
Pie(1/5)-Supa
Supa(1/5)-oro
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@Reece101
I think so.
I consider "2001: A Space Odyssey" a masterpiece. In the absence of any important physical American monument dedicated to the first moon landing, I consider Kubrik's movie that monument in celluloid alternative.
Critics have always complained about the pacing of the film but I think the long deep quiet shots are incredibly effective at building up the grandeur and gravitas of monument while at the same time informing the the tension and isolation of the horror (2001: A Space Odyssey is essentially a horror movie).
I’m sure the visuals were breathtaking back in 1968.
Great visual moments don't change over time. The expectations and attention spans of viewers do.
But come on, I don’t need half an hour to contemplate the opening scene.
The opening scene is 60 seconds. The visual of the sun rising over the moon, the Earth seen from space is set to Thus Spake Zarathustra and deliberately evokes creation, the Logos of "In the beginning was the word."
Remember that the movie was made just before the moonshot. This was what a shot of what science fiction thought it would like from the Moon, not a replication after we'd been there. Keep in mind that that particular piece of music was not well known before its use in the movie. The impact of that shot is such that Elvis Presley started using the same music for his on stage introductions. If everybody is familiar today with that epic tone poem and its interpretation it is down to impact of this movie and this opening shot.
I would love to do a 2001 Space Odyssey debate and happily defend this film as one of the greatest.
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Bill gates want to depopulate the planet.
Since the planet is overpopulated, advocacy for smaller populations is just common sense.
Bill gate's does so by saying under the pretext if we do a really good job with the vaccine's the population will decrease.
PRETEXT is "a reason given in justification of a course of action that is not the real reason." I see no reason for you to think Gates is not sincere.
Because when people are healthier they choose to have fewer children.
This is true. As your own source explains:
"When more children live past the age of 5, and when mothers can decide if and when to have children, population sizes don’t go up. They go down. Parents have fewer children when they’re confident those children will survive into adulthood. Big families are in some ways an insurance policy against the tragic likelihood of losing a son or a daughter.
We see this pattern throughout history. All over the world, when death rates among children go down, so do birth rates. It happened in France in the late 1700s. It happened in Germany in the late 1800s. Argentina in the 1910s, Brazil in the 1960s, Bangladesh in the 1980s.
When more children live, you get one generation that’s relatively big. Then, when families decide to have fewer children, the next generation is much smaller. Eventually, a country ends up with relatively more people in the labor force producing economically—and relatively fewer dependents (very old or very young people). That’s a recipe for rapid economic development, especially if countries take advantage of it by investing in health and education."
Gates is accurately interpreting well established trends in birth data. Good cheap healthcare is expensive up front but consistently pays for itself in the long run. In a society where good healthcare can't be counted on, women can't be certain how many babies will be required to sustain the family going forward and such populations generally overpopulate. In a society where the right family size is easy to calculate, new births drop rapidly and significant downsizing in population is quite realistic in the space of two generations.
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SCUM
UVC
Oromagi (2/5) - Supa, TNB
SirAnonymous (1/5) - Greyparrot
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I am Major General Henry Halleck. Because of my duties as Chief of Staff, in which I supplied and prepared for Union offense, I am the bookie. Every night I get to predict who will be lynched in the next DP. If I guess correctly, I get a vig shot the following NP, which I can choose not to use. Since the odds of me guessing correctly and having someone I'm willing to risk shooting at the same time are pretty low, my role is basically useless.
But, if we are convinced you are town, you could guess to lynch me and then we could make that happen. Could be a potent weapon.
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SCUM
UVC
Oromagi (2/5) - Supa, TNB
SirAnonymous (1/5) - Greyparrot
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@Mharman
->@Lunatic@oromagiMaking up poems at the start of a game can be premeditated as scum if a fake claim is planned out. There's too many power roles for a bleeder, commuter, doctor, tracker, rolecop, AND bulletproof. There's no way Pie would screw up a setup THAT bad.
Perhaps although risky. The point is a full claimed before anybody else in the game. That applies to my TOWN credit.
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@Mharman
@LunaticFine. I'll full claim. It gives another reason for the case against you. Two investigative roles, a bulletproof, a doctor, and MY ROLE doesn't make sense. That'd be way too bastard, and town would be WAAAYYY overpowered.I am General Ewell Brown Stewart. My unit was nowhere to found during the Battle of Gettysburg. Therefore, I am a 1x Commuter.
and have you already commuted and so are untestable?
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@TNBinc
Not sure if I am reading all posts, but HOW DID ORO KNOW BEARMAN WAS DOC (Croc and Bearman were dead at that time, and croc was given as Voyager from Ilikepie but bearman's role was not given.)
uh... you aren't even reading your own posts. you also knew BEARMAN was DOC before I said it:
My post is #176 an hour later than you verified that you knew Bearman was DOC....
Did you actually forget what you posted before or are you falsely trying to manufacture suspicion now?
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@Vader
No, I investigated you as the role I described. I detectived you. It’s not my fault it’s worded badly or not the proper terminology.
OK, here's what you need to know:
I am General Albert Sidney Johnston.
I am a BLEEDER- if I am NK'd I last one extra DP, if I am lynched I last one extra NP.
I locked this claim in on POST #22 at the beginning of the game.
and yes i fear
tho the
serious lemurs
might turn our kits green
To decode, pls note this passage from AS Johnson's Wikipedia, describing Johnston's death @Shiloh:
At about 2:30 pm, while leading one of those charges against a Union camp near the "Peach Orchard," he was wounded, taking a bullet behind his right knee. The bullet clipped a part of his popliteal artery and his boot was filling up with blood. There were no medical personnel on scene at the time, since Johnston had sent his personal surgeon to care for the wounded Confederate troops and Yankee prisoners earlier in the battle.
Within a few minutes, Johnston was observed by his staff to be nearly fainting. Isham G. Harris, the Governor of Tennessee, ...asked: "General, are you wounded?" Johnston glanced down at his leg wound, then faced Harris and replied in a weak voice his last words: "Yes... and I fear seriously." Harris then sent an aide to fetch Johnston's surgeon but did not apply a tourniquet to Johnson's wounded leg. A few minutes later, before a doctor could be found, Johnston died from blood loss. It is believed that Johnston may have lived for as long as one hour after receiving his fatal wound. Ironically, it was later discovered that Johnston had a tourniquet in his pocket when he died.
- and yes i fear serious lemurs = "yes...and I fear seriously"
- might turn our kits green= tourniquet
- eels be red = bleeders
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@Vader
OK but you tried to ROLECOP me and failed...is that gist of it?
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@TNBinc
You are not reading all the posts, unfortunately. Importantly, I asked that1 to cough up Bearman's full claim since JANITORS generally receive that data when keeping it from the rest of us. That1 very nicely gave that up here https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4740/post-links/198616
& then I updated the reads board with that data.
Also, mafia tried to remove me.
am I the only one who doubts TNB was the NK target last night?
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@Vader
- did you rolecop me or did you track me?
- are u JOAT as well?
- I don't have a role that moves
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TOWN
C.Oromagi
C. Speedrace
U.SirAnonymous
U.MisterChris
U.Lunatic
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@Crocodile
don't sweat it. Noobies always get roughed up a bit in the early games. Basically, we are looking for anomalous behavior and noobs are anomalous by nature. The first couple of times I tried those cryptic breadcrumbs I got lynched but fast. I just had to keep going until people got to know my normal.
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@Crocodile
I choked on the spicy pepper package of the cup ramen i was eating
You are supposed to rip open the spicy pepper package and empty the contents into the cup of noodles.
but i felt a sharp pain in my right hand wrist vein. why?
That was the plastic spork you ate yesterday, traversing the blood stream
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@Imabench
When I explained Mafia to my niece and nephew they said “ oh you mean Amoung Us”. So I have it loaded on my phone and have played a few games with kids. Haven’t really gotten into tactics.
/in
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@Lunatic
I suspect there are noobs on the scum team for mafia to allow that1 to give out his janitor results. Unless this is some big brain play.
+1
that1's confirmation lacked foresight
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The theme split is not KIA since my General was KIA.
IF the theme is "lost a limb" I think there are a few generals who lost limbs during the war but only Stonewall among the present company.
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@Mharman
Protect TNBinc tonight, doc
DOC is dead.
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@SirAnonymous
@That1UserA 3rd party JOAT with a vig shot? Pull my other leg. The only question is whether I should hammer now or wait for more people to check in.
Still waiting for GP.
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@SirAnonymous
-->@TNBincDon't give out your role. There's no reason for that.
Read TNBinc in relation to That1's posts and you may change your mind.
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C.Oromagi
C. Speedrace
U.SirAnonymous
U.MisterChris
U.Lunatic
That1User (5/6) - Supa, Speed, Mharman, Chris, Lunatic
Oromagi (1/6) - TNB
Supa (1/6) - That1User
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@TNBinc
btw im not rosencrans im Major General George Henry Thomas aka "Rock of Chickamauga"
I heard you got Coronavirus.
Thanks for the clarification. What is you ROLE?
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@TNBinc
Hey Rosencrans....
Are you ready to tell us your 1X power? Is it possible you have multiple 1X powers?
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@That1User
@oromagiYou can help your case substantially by providing BearMan's PM to TOWNBearMan - You are Major General Lewis Wallace. You were the man who single handedly saved the Union from defeat on the verge of victory. As a last ditch effort, General Lee had sent General Early to threaten Washington D.C. with 15,000 men in hopes of relieving pressure in Virginia. Although you lost at the Battle of Monocacy, your delay of the Confederate advance by one day with the 5,800 men from the VIII Corps, allowed for reinforcements to arrive in time to defend the capital. For this reason, you are the Physician. Each night you may visit a player (or yourself). You will prevent any actions that would kill your target (unless they explicitly bypass protective roles). You win with the Town.
Thank You!
This really improves Supa's claim since Physician isn't any kind of ROLE either but he works just like DOCTOR.
Clearly, we are seeing some non-standard ROLE names in the PMs
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@That1User
MafiaWiki says
"Janitors will learn the role and alignment of the players they kill even if they clean up the body. Whether this information is revealed to the player or to the team at large is also up for debate."
You can help your case substantially by providing BearMan's PM to TOWN
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@That1User
Let's not agree, I can still be utilized by town
no
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@That1User
I am totally willing to kill anyone on town's behalf, let me live another night, who do you want me to kill?
If you had not confirmed Supa's claim, I would have been prosecuting him right now. Given your confirmation, no TOWN can justify keeping a STRONGMAN alive.
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Let's agree that1 is toast.
Does anybody have any other claims or results to make?
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@That1User
I am Stonewall Jackson, I fought for the Confederacy against the Union but killed by Confederate friendly fire, being killed by those I fought for and my sheer utility in battle makes me 3rd Party JOAT, I win with town but appear guility, I thought Bear was mafia so I janitored him.
- This claim suggests that SCUM also failed to NK for which we have no evidence.
- It seems profoundly unlikely to me that TP would be given two extra kills. Too bloody
- You are either 3rd party or you win with THE town. I note that you and GP never got it right.
- I'm reasonably confident you are actual SCUM.
- I see no reason to let you survive another DP with STRONGMAN in the mix.
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@Vader
@oromagiMy justification for it is on point. I claimed, I said thisI am George McClellan. In the battles I lead, I would use the investigation done by my advisors to direct the best possible move. I also used the evidence left my the CSA troops to defend an Confederate attack. however, I was always leaned on the side on leniency when givenany information. Therefore I am a detective. Each night I may chose to investigate someone and I will learn their role. I win with the town
I'm more or less forced to accept this because of the success in finding scum but the role & justification still seem totally off to me.
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X.C. Croc John Magruder 1X VOYEUR
X.U.. BearMan
TOWN
C.Oromagi
U.MisterChris
U.Lunatic
C. Mharman
C. Speedrace
U. SupaDudz George McMellan [sic] DETECTIVE
SCUM
CX. That1User Stonewall Jackson JOAT (1XJanitor, 1XRolecop, 1XStrongman)
UVC
That1User (5/6) - Supa, Speed, Mharman, Chris, Lunatic
Oromagi (1/6) - TNB
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@Vader
>@oromagiThat's not what Pie has given me. Blame him for that. He called it a Detective
explain how it works and why your justification is so shit
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@Vader
I was getting ready to come down hard on Supa before that1 confirmed his findings.
Supa- according to everything I can find that's not how DETECTIVEs work. DETECTIVEs determine whether a target has ever attempted a NK>
In a Normal Game, a Detective may choose to investigate each night. Only three results can be obtained from this investigation: Negative, Positive, or No Result. This investigation resolves after any killing abilities in the Night phase.
A negative result is returned from players that have never attempted to kill another player (including players who cannot kill, and players who can kill but chose not to).
A positive result is returned from players that have actively killed another player, or attempted to kill another player but failed. This would include a Vigilante or a mafia member, but would not include players who could cause a player to die indirectly as a result of their action, such as a Babysitter or a Weak role.
As usual, No Result is returned if the Detective's own action was blocked, e.g. by a Roleblocker or by an Ascetic modifier on their target.
Yet you got results as if you a a ROLE COP. Can you help explain this discrepency?
Also, your justification reads like total bullshit
Also, you mispelled your character's name.
I would be insisting on your lynch if That1 had not excuplated you.
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Would it be correct to say we reside within Earth?
No. English grammar is a hopeless muddle so my advice to fellow writers is screw the style manual and write for clarity. If you were to refer to "all the people within the Earth" people would wonder whether you only meant people below the surface. I think I accept that the atmosphere is part of Earth, although we'd still call it Earth without the atmosphere.
- Consider if Capt. Picard was analyzing a piece of sandstone he might say "this was once part of Earth!" but
- If Capt. Picard was analyzing an air sample he would not likely say, "this was once part of Earth!" he would more likely say "this was once part of Earth's atmosphere!"
Let's recall that the usage predates our understanding of atmosphere and comes from a very homocentric perspective- we are on the surface; all that is below is Earth; all that is above is not Earth- sky, heaven, etc.
Consider also that there are planets with no atmosphere in which a human might reside- Mercury for example.
"Capt. Picard! I've detected life signs on Mercury and within Earth!"
"What do you mean, ensign? Are the Terran life signs in a cave or something?"
"No, sir. They are just in Earth's atmosphere!"
".....uh, flying.... or something, do you mean....?"
"No, sir. They are on Earth's surface but nevertheless within Earth's atmosphere!"
"Thank you ensign, please report to sick bay."
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I once loved a girl named Amy
who was well known for spelling quite lamely
her letters were shit
but she whipped out her tits
and kissed while she whispered obey me
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@SirAnonymous
Winfield Scott, C-in-C for the first months of the war, also wasn't on there.
I call that an accurate assessment of Scott's Civil War performance.
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