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@bsh1
pls note post 27. I suspect I might have evidence that good vs evil is not a worthwhile divider here
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Learning what terms like soft claim mean before using them would be wise.
or perhaps it was a joke- GP called me racist 4 lynch & I called that him making a claim. see? GreyParrot soft claims "racist"?
nope?
Guess I am still not funny.
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Why do so many fantasies come pre-stretched into series?
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@bsh1
--> @oromagi
Pressure Wylted. He's the hardest player to read, and so it is probably best to pin him to something early.
okie dokie, L'il Smoky
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VTL Wylted
wither thou wilt, perk now or perish
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Throne of Glass follows Celaena Sardothien, an 18-year-old assassin in the Kingdom of Adarlan. After a year of suffering for her crimes in a slave camp called Endovier, she accepts the offer of Crown Prince Dorian, the King's son, to compete with other assassins and thieves for a chance to serve as the King's Champion, and eventually gain her freedom after four years in the King's service. This leads her to form unexpected bonds with Chaol, the captain of the guard, and Dorian, the Crown Prince of Adarlan. Over time, Celaena is drawn into a conspiracy and a series of battles, leading to discoveries surrounding both the Kingdom and herself. The series ends with her defeating the Valg king Erawan, and the Valg Queen Maeve, with her mate, Rowan Whitethorn. She successfully regains control of her kingdom Terrasen, and blooms of Kingsflame guarantee her rule
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also I forgot to credit MafiaWiki for that play advice cut & paste above
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@Greyparrot
Soft claiming right after hard claiming is not a good look for youRacist.
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@Greyparrot
Play Advice
Normal Hider
A standard Hider should opt to protect the player they believe most strongly to be scum, effectively becoming bulletproof for the night. While a Hider may gambit to draw a night kill, unless the setup seems to reward this type of play, a Hider should simply try to be as town as possible. Managing to draw a kill as a Hider is a two-for-one deal: a kill on a Hider is not a kill that is likely to succeed on other members of the Town, and a kill on a Hider is not a kill on their target, further adding to its power.
Weak Hider
A Weak Hider has two options:
- Hide behind the least likely town kill, becoming unkillable for that night and confirming that person as town.
- Hide behind the player most likely to be scum: and make no secret that if you end up dead, that is what likely happened during the night phase. This can effectively be a guilty on a player.
As with all Weak roles, it is best to leave a breadcrumb so that if you die, players can in retrospect woRk out who you must have hidden behinD.
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o cum all ye losers
dumb but unrepentant
o cum ye you elephants of
ma ah fee uh
cum be emboldened cuz
greyparrot is play-ay-ying
he might again just shout out
his scum affiliation!
o cum and be emboldened!
Ma... Ah.... Fee uhhhhhhhhhhhh
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@Barney
how much of a problem has this last minute voting become?
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@WaterPhoenix
That’s the chat on Discord. I think I saw u figuring out Discord on another forum, right?
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That’s the chat on Discord. I think I saw u figuring out Discord on another forum, right?
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Kubla Khan
(Or, a vision in a dream. A Fragment. )
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round;
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover!
A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e’er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced:
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher’s flail:
And mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean;
And ’mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war!
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.
It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice!
A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw:
It was an Abyssinian maid
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight ’twould win me,
That with music loud and long,
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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@Wylted
I do remember a game or two following this lineThe same thing happened to XLAV all the time who would routinely call out the entire scum team on DP1 and then be ignored
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I still don’t buy itIt's okay to admit that you were wrong.Disc- I am sorry.Don't apologize for being wrong. That is a stupid thing to apologize for.
Is it okay to admit I was wrong to apologize?
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I thought I was doing good for town by taking the time to identify ant, at least. The trouble with being skeptical to a fault is knowing when you are at fault. In truth, my read on Wylted's magic trick was "magic trick" -assume none of that's true. I thought Supadudz lack of participation is now more forgivable seeing what intimidating circumstances he suffered from the start.
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@K_Michael
So, if only K_Michael have joined I would not only have had the advantage of 1 town read but also access to tracker reports? Geez, I would have liked to have played that game.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I still don’t buy itIt's okay to admit that you were wrong.
Well, the intention was humor. So I guess now I have to apologize for both obstinacy & not funny. Disc- I am sorry.
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@warren42
by default, any player who claims day cop right off the bat should be treated as scum -it is about the least town thing one might do. I doubted his Wylted's claim in #27 and demonstrated that he must be lying by post #54. I guess I'm less suspicious of Supa because it feels like he was doing the same
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@warren42
Oro did no such thing. He actually believed wylted until this:
false, pls. read post DP1 #27
--> @Discipulus_Didicitclaiming cop at the outset is town typical? Sounds like more noise than might possibly be justified.
essentially, this is still my position. Why would experienced town claim day cop of the bat? showing off or not town. coupled with a magic mafia find in the first minutes of the game seems deeply suspicious- even after he's dead I don't trust the results
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@bsh1
Oro did no such thing. He actually believed wylted until this:
false, pls. read post DP1 #27
--> @Discipulus_Didicitclaiming cop at the outset is town typical? Sounds like more noise than might possibly be justified.
essentially, this is still my position. Why would experienced town claim day cop of the bat? showing off or not town. coupled with a magic mafia find in the first minutes of the game seems deeply suspicious- even after he's dead I don't trust the results
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@Mharman
--> @oromagiI'll give him 24 hours
It has been 48 hours. KM was last online 12 hrs ago
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@Vader
I claimed this DPNo soft claim. IK IM LATE BUT IVE BEEN BUSY
that's all you got?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Your appeal to superior experienceMy what now? Citation needed.
The line immediately proceeding is sufficient: "If you don't see that then you have probably never played a game with Wylted as town, in which case you should not e making judgements on what his typical town behavior is like."
Essentially your argument is "don't worry about what the internet says about folks who claim cop in DP1, trust me when I tell you that Wylted is fine." It is true I don't have your experience in mafia but I can't help but suspect your easy forgiveness, oversight of Wylted's extraordinary DP1.
Is "come on" your argument?
My statement was that WP didn't know how to play the game. I don't understand how someone can really disagree with that statement given the fact that he did not know what being scum means, did not know he was scum, and did not know what the scum PM was.
My reply was because he seems smart, claims some minor experience and was already engaged with the mechanism of the PM in spite of his declared confusion.
DROPPED ARGUMENTS- why all the acting? This line is acted out for us:
"Um yeah. That, uh... is that a problem? I mean he... I feel like it's pretty obvious that... I mean come on dude, were you not watching the same thread I was? I mean come on... This is, this... I mean come on!"
I guess I'm wondering why.
Now you are arguing against a point that I used to argue against a point that bsh1 made that would have proven me as town. And you are saying this makes me more likely to be scum. You've lost the plot, mate.
Citations needed. Which argument of yours, which of bsh's?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Most of my present assessment is based on who is bringing the most information to the table.But you then proceed to rate the three least active players as being in the top four most likely to be town...
based on degree of information supplied to town's advantage, yes
Disciplus_Didicit calls Wylted's false cop claim typical town [behavior]You mean these posts?Yeah, I stand by that. Wylteds gambit last DP was typical of how he behaves when he is town. If you don't see that then you have probably never played a game with Wylted as town, in which case you should not e making judgements on what his typical town behavior is like.
my job is to make these judgements without letting potential scum define what is typical and what is not. Your appeal to superior experience could be warranted or corrupt- the more you push for the "admit" angle without looking for new potentials or explanations or information, the less I like you as town.
[Effortlessly] discovers worst scum and then exits - but Pie and DD are [fine] with all of that.Yes, I am fine with effortlessly finding scum and as long as I am town I always will be fine with effortlessly finding scum.DD's DP1 narrative depends on WP cluelessly giving up the game.Um yeah. That, uh... is that a problem? I mean he... I feel like it's pretty obvious that... I mean come on dude, were you not watching the same thread I was? I mean come on... This is, this... I mean come on!
Yes, i was watching the same thread. It felt like acting- your uh's and elipses also feels like acting- giving us your spoken voice rather than written. Why the acting? Is "come on" your argument?
WP should not have been thrown by Discord since he asked for help understanding Discord on the forums just days before this game & rec'd info from dudz & Mharmon (in fact, thats where Mharmon invited him to play)Now you are arguing against a point that I used to argue against a point that bsh1 made that would have proven me as town. And you are saying this makes me more likely to be scum. You've lost the plot, mate.
Can you restate this? What was your argument and what was bsh's?
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Jasper Johns + Last Stanza of the Battle Hymn of the Republics + poetic commentary from the brilliant Sharon Olds
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me.
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.
(Chorus)
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Our God is marching on.
I didn't know what it meant that he was born
in the beauty of the lilies, maybe bulbs that had been
planted around the timbers of the stable,
or the myrrh king came after the birth, and he was
born in the beauty. Maybe on the longest
night of the winter he was somehow born
on Easter--born risen. I loved that he was
born across the sea, as if born into the whole
width of the air, between here
and that holy place, the barn under
the meteor. They didn't talk about the hay,
or the water-trough, or the blood, or the milk,
or the manure, with its straw-seeds inside it, but sometimes
they showed him in her arms, almost nursing,
the light around his head like a third
breast in the scene, and they said he was born
with a glory in his bosom--he had his own
bosom, as if he was his own mother
as well as his own father. And she wore
blue, always unmarked, she never wore
fleur-de-lys, and yet he was born
in the beauty of the lilies. This morning, when I looked
At a lily, just beginning to open,
its long, slender pouch tipped
with soft, curling-back lips, and I could peek just
slightly in, and see the clasping
interior, the cache of pollen,
and smell the extreme sweetness, I thought they were
shyly saying Mary's body,
he came from the blossom of a woman, he was born
in the beauty of her lily.
-Sharon Olds
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Most of my present assessment is based on who is bringing the most information to the table.
Here's my current rankings, from towniest to scumiest:
K_Michael- if u believe I am town than also believe KM is town
Supadudz- full claimed when necessary and just b4 I asked. I assume town has the means to verify
bsh1- challenged DD's narrative, a little info gathering, no claims,
GP- claimed VANILLA right off, no help otherwise
warren42- doesn't buy lynch dudz narrative suspicious of bsh, no claim
ILikePie5 buys DD's dudz narrative, no claims, no information gathering, little participation
Disciplus_Didicit calls Wylted's false cop claim typical town, then pushes for claim in spite of doubting Wylted
& WP instantly reports in as super hi valu scum
constantly returns to lame "admit"=scum slip narrative w/ Dudz. totally unconvincing
only player who hedged on "not an ant"
The truth is that even after Wylted turned up town, I don't trust it.
The whole DP1 felt too theatrical to me
I don't think VANILLA role matches CRAB theme particularly well but it doesn't make sense to invest too much in theme interpretation.
Wylted hard claims cop, soft claims MOTH, admits he lied about hard claim, effortly discovers worst scum and then exits - but Pie and DD are fien with all of that.
DD's DP1 narrative depends on WP cluelessly giving up the game. I have scant info here but WP two debates demonstrate that he is no bumpkin who has just wandered on the site. He stated he played Mafia a couple of years ago. WP should not have been thrown by Discord since he asked for help understanding Discord on the forums just days before this game & rec'd info from dudz & Mharmon (in fact, thats where Mharmon invited him to play)
Of course, WP, Wylted, Pie, and DD can't all be scum so I'm definitely being unfair to at least one of these.
Somebody is going to have to convince me that DP1 was not a puppet show, because it still feels that way to me.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
why is that?The PM is probably located on the discord
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@Mharman
is there any mechanism for replacing K_Michael in this game? He's hasn't checked in once
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Characters obviously. I am not surprised that you are hesitating. Simple question. Are u an ant?
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