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@Bones
Wait this is an all or nothing dichotomy -
  • says who?

either all women are female or they are not.
  • That's not my experience.  In the real world, men and women come in every shade of the masculine/feminine rainbow.
In what way/scenario is a trans man not a woman, per the wiktionary definition. 
  • When female is defined by sex but not gender
    • i.e. "Everyone with tits must now leave the room."
  • When female is determined by feminine character.
    • i.e.  "And now if the ladies would like to take a moment to powder thier noses..."
  • When woman is defined as a wife, fiancee or girlfriend
    • i.e.  " I'd say she's doing a woman's hardest job: juggling wolves." -Rear Window
  • When woman is defined a female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified thing
    • i.e. "You might like "Real Housewives" but I'm more of a "Sex and the CIty" woman, myself."
  • When woman is defined as a female attendent or servent
    • i.e.  " My woman comes in on Tuesdays to clean."

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@YouFound_Lxam

I stated that we must exterminate and eradicate the ideology of Transgenderism. 

  • As you well know,  ideologies have no physicality and can't be exterminated, only the people who think them.    Since your non-dictionary defintion of Transgenderism is the belief that all people are valid in their stated sexual identity, your plan is, in fact, to exterminate all Feminists.  Even if you succeed in killing us all, new humans will be born tomorrow who think those same thoughts.    Your evil plan has zero possibility of success.
What I am saying is that the idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa, and that we should accept that as fact should be eradicated, and exterminated from the public square. At the very least be condemned because it is indeed not biological fact. 
  • As you well know, there are many more valid definitions of WOMAN and FEMALE than the biological fact.  The notion that men and women are more than mereB binary biology is as old as Western Literature: Eve was just a chunk torn off from Adam who's babymaking abilities came later as a punishment for thinking.  Tiresias was a priest of Apollo who became a woman for seven years, married a man, had children, and then changed back.
When someone truly believes something to be real that is fundamentally false by every aspect of human nature and life, that is called delusion.  I will not respect someone's delusion. 
  • and that makes you a bad American, a mewling, selfish, anti-social child.  All grown-ups learn to respect the many, many delusions their fellow citizens walk around believing.
 Give me one social construct that we cannot tie to some form of reality. 
  • Nationality
  • Race
  • Beauty
  • Intelligence
  • Class
  • Time
  • Marriage
  • Education
  • Normality

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@Bones
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@<<<oromagi>>>
Meaning transgender men are actually women because they fulfil the criteria of being adult human females. 
  • In some correct senses of WOMAN and FEMALE, yes.

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Define Nutter
NOUN:
1.  The less buttery bits of the nutter butter
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@<<<oromagi>>>
Obviously, that is true, but it seems distinct from the semantic discussion I think Lxam is trying to have.
  • Lxam's persistent but worthless contortions in search of distinction come from a lack of generosity of spirit.  Let's recall that Lxam began this effort six weeks ago with the stated purpose of "exterminating transgenderism."  I don't find that purpose compatible with any American or Christian outlook although it is one of the core missions that Republicans have been assigned by their masters these days.  Scapegoats are good for getting bad people to vote.

All persons have unique experiences, but not all persons are women. 
  • uh huh

That distinction is going to depend on which experiences we are referring to and what criteria are being measured.
  • Too vague.  I don't know what you mean here.
Subjective experiences are of great consequence to individuals, but formal definitions require concrete descriptions of those experiences.
  • I'm skeptical.  Seems to me that there are many social constructs that we can't define concretely....
    • Take disability, for example.  I'm pretty hard of hearing but not entirely deaf.  I can get by in lots of social situations but also miss a lot of verbal cues that everybody around me takes for granted.   I'm not disabled in an official govt sense although I do have a disability that occaisionally requires some explanation in social and workplace settings.   Its all very grey and subjective.
      • Do I/should I give a single damn what labels other people want to apply and approve for me?  No, of course not. If I tell somebody I can't hear them, I am not interested in engaging with their opinion about my deafness from their point of view, I just need them to hear my experience and respond politely and appropriately.  I think we should extend that exact same courtesey to everybody all the time including trans people and fuck the busybody haters inflicting their nasty busybody opinions all unwanted.


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Here is Wiktionary's definition of FEMALE:

Adjective 
female (not generally comparable, comparative femaler or more female, superlative femalest or most female)
  1. Belonging to the sex which typically produces eggs (ova), or to the gender which is typically associated with it. [from 14th c.] quotations ▼female authors, the leading male and female artists, a female bird cooing at a male, intersex female patients, a trans female vlogger
  2. Characteristic of this sex/gender. (Compare feminine, womanly.) quotations ▼stereotypically female pastimes, an insect with typically female coloration
  3. Tending to lead to or regulate the development of sexual characteristics typical of this sex.the female chromosome;   estrogen, the primary female sex hormone, is produced by both females and males
  4. (grammar, less common than 'feminine') Feminine; of the feminine grammatical gender. quotations ▼
  5. (of bacteria) Lacking the F factor, and able to receive DNA from another bacterium which does have this factor (a male). quotations ▼
  6. (figuratively) Having an internal socket, as in a connector or pipe fitting. [from 16th c.] 

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@Savant
My position on transgendered people is that they are citizens like any other.  I don't pretend to really understand the experience and  so don't feel a need to judge or approve that experience in others.  I trust that transgendered persons are sincere in their claims and trust the sciences of psychology and medicine when advised that the best thing citizens can do to help out is to acknowledge those identity claims as legitimate and worthy.
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@Savant
I am using the Wiktionary defintion of WOMAN
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We are all, of course, familiar with the argument Ben Shapiro told you to repeat.

Noun
woman (plural women)
  1. An adult female human. quotations ▼
  2. (collective) All female humans collectively; womankind. quotations ▼
  3. A female person, usually an adult; a (generally adult) female sentient being, whether human, supernatural, elf, alien, etc. quotations ▼
  4. A wife (or sometimes a fiancée or girlfriend). quotations ▼
  5. A female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified type of thing. (Used as the last element of a compound.) quotations ▼
  6. A female attendant or servant.

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Do you really have no other topics, interests, hobbies, information going on in your head?
Sure do.
  • You are going to want to invest a few months in proving that to your fellow debaters here by demonstrating some self-control because right now, you just seem stuck in a mentally ill rut.

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@<<<oromagi>>>
Typical liberal response.
  • Even Conservative debaters prefer variety in the discussion of politics.  There's a reason that Tucker doesn't just talk shit about black all day every day: ratings.
With each new story
  • If a white supremacist cartoonist's reaction  to his own tweet is what counts a "new story"  in your book than we have identified your cognitive deficit:  that is not a new story on the subject of  the African-Americanism and the relation of public policy to the African-American experience.  
You need to grow up and get some thicker skin, especially if you’re going to moderate this site. 
  • Kaitlyn is the  fragile snowflake pretending to be victim of my super-toxicity here.  I have made no claim to harm here beyond being absolutely fucking bored by your mentally  ill repetitition of the same topic over and over and over and over.   
PS. I never see you jumping on IWantRoseveltAgain and his literal spamming of this site with his Trump Derangement Syndrome threads, one after the other, instead of updating one as you suggest I should do. One word describes that of you; hypocrite. 

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You really need to stop with this victim-blaming line of argument because it's not convincing and it's super toxic.

I am specifically addressing the hyper-repetitive spamming of the same highly provocative claims over and over and over and over and over again.  SInce the topic is always the exact same, why not just add information to a single forum.  Why the super needy, super provocative repition?  It really drags down the tone of the whole website.

Your compulsive repititon is the source of toxicity here.  Please grow up and exhibit stronger self-control.
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We get it:  you hate black people.  Do you really have no other topics, interests, hobbies, information going on in your head?  It seems you like you are suffering from some kind of racist OCD and irrationally hell bent on inflicting your nasty spam on the residents of this site.  Race and racial differences are legitimate topics on this site.  Some true statements can also be racist.  Fine.  Why are we re-visiting this topic 2-3 times a day every day for months on end?  Such compulsive spamming really begins to impact the flavor and outlook of a forum like this.

Also, this is debate site.  Is it too much to ask folks to offer an argument in OP rather than just linking to some random shit on the internet?  Links are supposed to support YOUR argument, your thinking, not replace it.  If you can't compose an original argument, at least transcribe the argument you a parroting into text so users aren't stuck wasting 20 minutes watching a Youtube vid just for a chance to guess at your thesis.  Any good debater can and will state her thesis up front.
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What happened to all the Deep State operatives that the Durham report would send to jail? Lol
Isn't this just a spam of

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‘No F**king Way!’
  1. NewsGuard (www.newsguardtech.com): NewsGuard is a browser extension and website that assigns reliability ratings to thousands of news and information websites. Their team of trained journalists and analysts assesses websites based on nine criteria, including credibility, transparency, and adherence to journalistic standards. NewsGuard provides detailed information on each website's rating, offering users transparency and context for evaluating sources.
Newsguard is a paid service but ranks The National Pulse as RED (generally untrustworthy).   
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Nice use of ChatGPT.  Let's ask the same AI what factcheckers it trusts and then check with those regarding The National Pulse

One reputable and widely recognized organization that ranks website reliability as a news source is the Media Bias Chart created by Ad Fontes Media. The Media Bias Chart assesses news sources based on two main dimensions: bias and reliability. It provides a visual representation of where various news outlets fall on the political bias spectrum and rates them according to their reliability.

Ad Fontes ranks The National Pulse  as 19.44 out 42 in terms of right-wing bias (STRONG RIGHT) and 16.38 out of 64 for reliability (16 is the border between propaganda and outright lies).

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Any asshole can criticise and scrutinize.  What is useful about mediabias/factcheck is that he seems equally skeptical of left-wing sources as right-wing, regularly updates his fact checks, and summarizes his conclusions in nice, easy to quote comparisions.  There are lots of fact checkers out there but many seem devoted to only fact checking from one polticial point of view.  As long as the  top academic and journalistic sites continue to trust mediabia/factcheck so will I.
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@Stephen
mediabias/factcheck rates the National Pulse:

Overall, we rate The National Pulse Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories, affiliation with a known questionable group, and several failed fact checks

For example, this incredibly shitty piece of writing:  "The Durham Report, commissioned in 2019 after the excruciatingly drawn-out investigations into Trump and Russia, has concluded there was no evidence of any of it."  
  • Never mind that Durham took four years with no convictions to  investigate Mueller's two year  "drawn-out" investigation with 37 conviction.  Never mind that all os Durham's top investigators walked away from the investigation in protest years ago.
  • The "it" that Durham found no evidence for is any criminal conduct by US intel when investigating Trump.  That is, Durham agrees with Mueller that an investigation was warranted by the Trump Campaign's many, many secret and still today never explained meetings with Russian Intelligence (FACT: The Trump administration denied or lied about 172 now proven meetings with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign).  Durham correctly finds some fault with FBI fact-finding and readiness to believe the brags of minor Trump officials overseas (Carter Page, etc) but Durham does not contradict Mueller in any important finding, conviction, or (essentially) the 11 felonies Trump committed while trying to kill Mueller's investigation.
  • Let's note that the Steele Dossier was itself a product of UK intelligence and to the extent that no particular of that document has yet to disproved, better respected by UK intel than US intel.
  • Let's recall that in 2020, UK Intelligence condemned Boris Johnson cover up and failure to investigate Russian interference in the Brexit Vote and cited, with admimration, the example of US intelligence investigating and prosecuting Russia's political alliance with the GOP since 2016

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Blacks far more likely to commit crimes against Whites and Hispanics than the inverse
we get it: you hate black people.   
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@TWS1405_2
Consistent with my understanding, this report shows LGBTQ+ less likely to solicit, molest, rape children then straights.
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Do you like America?
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The Delusion.
You think that me a white male should have to pay for the sins of people who looked like me, who did bad things more than at least 100 years ago. 

No, I don't.  I've never said anything of the kind.  That's your delusion.  All I'm saying is that you haven't fixed as many of the problems of the past as you seem to think.  Your "extermination" approach to Feminism certainly makes me think you'd have no problem burning witches.

Every argument you've presented on this site has been demonstrated to be a lie. 
False. 
I have literally made a forum explaining the problems with Transgender ideology, and those arguments held a lot of ground.
You being you, did not even attempt to rebuttal the argument, and instead tried to explain to me that Transgender ideology, doesn't exist. 

I didn't try anything.  I just read to you from  standard dictionaries and textbooks and you refused to believe science.  I'll repeat the central point that you dodged:  The burden of proof is on you to show that trans people are assaulting America and worthy of your programs of eradication.  Your desperate mental anguish caused by the fact that some trans men menstruate simply does not rise to a genocidable offense.

It can only go one of two ways:
1. Transgender ideology exists, and anyone can become the opposite gender.
2. Transgender ideology doesn't exist and only people diagnosed with real gender dysphoria are transgender. 
Which is it? 
  • Ideas are not ideologies.  I repeat again that its not that there is no ideology behind the whole sexual identity thing, its just that the ideology you are talking about is  properly called Feminism by people who have gone to college.
So, you support the Biden Administration trying to allow biological males, who have an extremely biological advantage over women, to compete against women in sports. 

  •  while allowing local school adminstrators (not fat white GOP governors looking for a vote from the bigots) to make exceptions wherever unfair phsyical advantages or increased risk of injury might undermine competition.
    • There was time when conservative meant supporting local govt decisions, particluarly in exception, local cases.
You said," That's not a right I recognize when the birth gender confers a significant compettive advantage."
So, you are not respecting women's rights???
I guess that wraps up your logic.
  • Your reading comprehension sucks.

  • But the majority of women don't agree with your bigotry and ignorance, do they?
Do you get out much?
I think you will find most all of real women agree with the statements I have made especially women who are in sports. 
Wonder what mentally delusional men you are talking with. 
  • A 2021 Ipsos poll found that 77% of American women believe that transgender people should be protected from discrimination, while 15% disagreed.
  • A 2019 NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 69% of American women believed that transgender people should be allowed to use the bathroom that corresponds to their gender identity, while 25% disagreed.
  • A 2021 PRRI survey found that 60% of American women believe that transgender people should be allowed to serve in the military, while 31% disagreed.
Also, the claim that Queer rights simply emerged from Feminism is a lie as well.

You really love to cut off quotes to make it seem like something else don't you? 
  • I couldn't make any sense of the rest of it, sorry.  Read it again and it is still gobbledygook.

  • I generally don't accept the opinion of anonymous posters as sincere:  many poster are simply trying our arguments/ position.  I did flip throught Bella's debates and forum posts and couldn't find one mention of the word cisgender.

  • A nice, conscise presentation of the feminist distinction between sex and gender.  You offer this an example of the unacceptable radicalism you intend to "exterminate" right?    Honestly, they kicked your ass with facts and never laid a single expectation on you, personally.    You are angry at science, not Feminism.

  • First of all, no. No one gets to define their own reality. If you get to define your own reality, then you also get to define your own moral principles, and what is right and wrong in this reality.  So, psychopaths would be able to define their own morals as "murdering people is good."

  • That is exactly what psychopaths do.  You do understand we are talking about reality as is not as should be, don't you?

There is an objective reality. Whether you like it or not. Everyone lives in it. Not everyone likes it. 
  • Prove it
Second of all:
"white boys do not get to control."

I always love to do this when someone refers to my race. Just a quick idea of what it would look like if you were talking about another race:
"black boys do not get to control." 
Pretty racist stuff huh? 

  • As the FBI says, domestic terrorism by white males is the single greatest security threat to America.   White male rage over losing domination, particulary Southern Whites over black people fueled Trump's presidency and the current rise in gun violence as well as the attempted fraud/failed coup of the 2020 election.  It's all about white boys losing control.
  • It is racist and it is also true.
So, for clarification, biological men cannot menstruate, but biological woman can. 
  • Nobody in the world disagrees with you although you keep crying about it.  Sometimes in politcal speech, a feminist will say, "some men menstruate" as a reminder that trans-men consider themselves part of the community of men and not women.  They are not trying to alter your reality and you are paranoid to think so.
t's not my reality bud. It's everyone's reality. Yours too. 
  • prove it.
 You are a white boy born in the wealthiest, freeest, most comfortble society in the history of mankind at its peak in terms of global influence, peace and power.  
Yes. What does this prove? 

AS A STATEMENT of ABSOLUTE FACT:  you are sittting in the top 1% of comfort and privilege found across all human history.
Yep. So is most of American citizens. Not all, but most.

So quit your doomsday whining about the future of the US.  Take advantage of this incredible privilege you've lucked into and understand that trans freedoms are instrinsicly linked to your amount of freedom.  You can't take away freedoms from trans people and think you don't lose some freedom of your own in the process- because you do.  Take the Kentucky ban on Drag Shows.  I'm confident any Supreme Court will strike it down but just think about it:  in order to hate on some small unpopular minority, The State of Kentucky has asserted a Governmental right to prohibit speech based on how you are dressed. 

If you don't understand how such a law diminshes all Americans as Americans equally then you don't understand America, buddy.

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@TheApprentice
This statistic is quite worthless due to the oversaturation of normal,
  • Well, I agree.  The point being that there is no correlation between pedophilia and drag queens, or trans people or LGBTQ although that is the principle argument of the right wing govts when stripping LGBTQ citizens of rights.
,you seem to ignore the fact that Democrats maintain a connection to the Catholic Church, which itself has been affected by the LGBTQ+ culture
  • Only because that fact is irrelevent to my point which was: " I was raised in a Roman Catholic, very conservative community founded by Spiro Agnew.    Trust me when I say what you [call] conservatism today bears no resemblance to the Americans conservatism of twenty or thirty years ago."  which was itself a reply to OP's claim: from someone who won't even attempt to try to understand other points of view like religion or conservatism
What does your research tell you regardingthe OPs claims?  

  • The War between LGBTQ+ people and non-LFBTQ+ is a war between reality and delusion.  That is what mentally ill people do when they can't comprehend or deal with something.
  • the LGBTQ+ community expect us to give in to all of their labels, definitions, and perceptions of reality, while they go out, and disrespect women
  • We [non-LGBTQ]  didn't give porn to 3rd graders.
  • We [non-LGBTQ]  didn't show kids illegal drag stripper. performances.
  • We [non-LGBTQ]  didn't try to chemically castrate kids with the same drugs we give to pedophiles.
  • We [non-LGBTQ][non-LGBTQ] didn't try to normalize pedophiles by calling them MAPs.
  • We [non-LGBTQ]   didn't try to ruin women's opportunity's by letting men compete in their sports. 
  • We [non-LGBTQ] didn't try to sexualize kids at a young age. 


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        • Look at the history of Republican child sex abuse vs Democrats.  It is not even close.
          • Donald Trump
          • Let's recall the only time Trump turned on one of his congressman was Madison Cawthorne when he let it slip that the Republican Party was a bunch of 70 years old doing coke and inviting yound men to orgies.
          • Mark Foley
          • Dennis Hastert
          • Matt Gaetz
          • Jim Jordan
          • Larry Craig
          • Roy Moore
          • Howard Scott Heldreth
          • David Swartz
          • Mark Pazuhanich
          • Nicholas Morency
          • Edison Misla Aldarondo
          •  Philip Giordani
          • Tom Shortridge
          • Strom Thurmond
          • Peter Dibble
          • Donald "Buz" Lukens
          • Richard A. Delgaudio
          • Mark A. Grethen
          • Randal David Ankeney
          • Dan Crane
          •  Beverly Russell
            Robert Bauman
          • Jeffrey Patti
          • Marty Glickman
          • Howard L. Brooks
          • Stephen White
          • Jon Matthews
          • Earl "Butch" Kimmerling
          • Paul Ingram
          • Kevin Coan
          • Andrew Buhr
          • John Allen Burt
          • Keola Childs
          • John Butler 
          • Richard Gardner
          • Jack W. Gardner
          • Merrill Robert Barter
          • Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr.
          • Parker J. Bena
          • Larry Jack Schwarz
          • Robin Vanderwall
          • Mark Harris
          • Jon Grunseth
          • Nicholas Elizondo
          • Richard A. Dasen Sr
          • Ralph Shortey
          • Tim Nolan
          • etc.
          • Objectively and as a matter of history, Conservatives have ALWAYS fucked way more kids than Liberals. In the modern age, this is more easy to explain since there are way more women on the Liberal side and way less religion.  Religious institution have always been the number one fucker of children and thier prevalance in Conservative politics certainly helps to explain the unbalanced, over-representation of conservatives in child sex abuse.
          • 90% of child sex abuse is in the family- fathers, brothers, then uncles, cousins.  Family men are the overwhelming perpertrators of this crime.  Most drag queens are not family men.  If you had to choose quick whether to leave child alone with a drag queen or straight (not that straight men can't be drag queens, right Rudy?) male, statistically the child is more likely to be safe with the drag queen.



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@YouFound_Lxam

  • We don't.
  • Denial is not going to change anything. You call anyone who doesn't agree with you perception of reality as homophobic, transphobic, and a Right-Wing Nazi that is trying to destroy the democracy. 
  • That is what the Republican Party has devolved into, for the most part.
  • Fuck you.  I'll match my respect for women against the entire history of straight men's respect for women.  Queer rights emerged from Feminisim and speaking very generally, Queer people are many times more respectful of women then straight men, generally.
The mistakes and sins of ancestors do not associate with the people today. No person in America today has had to suffer what minorities and women had to suffer before we fixed the mistakes.
  • Funny how only the straight white think they've fixed their mistakes of the past. You are unabashadly anti-Feminist so you are stuck in (at least) pre-1920's thinking.  I don't give credit you for fixing much of anything, frankly.
You can't find a good argument against us,
  • The burden of proof is on you to show that trans people are assaulting America and worthy of your programs of eradication.  Every argument you've presented on this site has been demonstrated to be a lie.  I don't need a good argument against a lie, I just point out that your argument is broken.
When the LGBTQ+ community is claiming that biological men should have the right to compete in women's sports that is infringing on the rights of women, that is disrespecting women, and is one of the most sexist modern pushes that I have heard of today in America.
  • That's not a right I recognize when the birth gender confers a significant compettive advantage.  I support the Biden Adiminstration's ban on broad discrimination in school sports while allowing local school adminstrators (not fat white GOP governors looking for a vote from the bigots) to make exceptions wherever unfair phsyical advantages or increased risk of injury might undermine competition.
  • As a self-declared anti-Feminist 16 year old boy, let's agree that  you have no standing or credibility representing women's self-respect or understanding the perils of sexism.  No women want little Tucker Carlson's mansplaining women's right for them.
Even just the claim that a man can become a woman is sexist, disrespectful to women, and just a straight up lie. 
  • But the majority of women don't agree with your bigotry and ignorance, do they?
Also, the claim that Queer rights simply emerged from Feminism is a lie as well.
I have never met a queer person who expects any straight to accept the term cisgender.
Bella3sp is one of these people. Not to call them out in a rude way, but these people do exist. 

Also, it is not hard to go on Tic Tock and see all of these LGBTQ+ activists claiming this as well. The information and data are there, but I am guessing you being you, you will just deny it as most do. 
  • The CIA  has advised Americans that TikTok is Chinese spyware. Loyal Americans should get rid of TikTok ASAP.
  • I generally don't accept the opinion of anonymous posters as sincere:  many poster are simply trying our arguments/ position.  I did flip throught Bella's debates and forum posts and couldn't find one mention of the word cisgender.
 You have met thousands of queer people individually? And in order for your argument to make since, you would have to of met these people personally and not just give them a quick "Hi!". 
  • Back before the internet, people used to meet socially to discuss polititcs.  I attended a couple of different gay rights groups with weekly attendences in the hundreds.  For decades, I spent two or three hours discussing gay issues with a constantly rotating group of 10-20 people.  Then, everybody retired to a local cafe where we'd debate poltics until they kicked us out.  
  • Coffee shops, bars, pride parades, AIDS volunteers, parties.....yeah, thousands easily.
But the reality is that people are using this logic to define their own reality's whether you like it or not. 
  • Everybody defines their own reality:  white boys do not get to control.
  • False.  Give me three specific examples of LGBTQ+ community  claiming that [our definitions are right and anyone who says otherwise are the crazy ones, because they are the ones who are not accepting reality for what it really is.]
"A lot of this pushback involves willfully ignoring a biological fact: that trans men, non-binary people and people of literally all genders can menstruate, and many do.
"When transgender model and activist Kenny Ethan Jones experienced his first period, he faced both physical and psychological pain."

"I have lots to say about this, but I simply commented that some dudes do get periods. Because they do. That’s a fact."

  • It is a fact that some trans men menstruate.  White boys do not get to control.
    • Nobody is trying to alter your fragile reality- you can call men who mensturate trans or non-binary without doing any damage to your definition of men.
    • Not one of these examples puts any onus on people who think like you.  Notice that objectively, YOU are the one making demands on other to change, they are making no demands of you.  YOU are the one penetrating the rights and realties of strangers, those strangers have made no demands of you.

Are you coming out as mind-reader?  No.  Well, sorry to burst your bubble but there is only one reality that you can know the truth of and yes, your reality (quite obviously, in your case) is deeply rooted in your feelings.
My reality is based..........in reality. 
I don't like the reality of some situations I am put in.
I don't like the reality of our economy.
I don't like the reality of the U.S. future.
I don't like the reality of the struggle I am going to have to go through to climb the ladder of society.
  • Think of how tragically pathetic that is.  You are a white boy born in the wealthiest, freeest, most comfortble society in the history of mankind at its peak in terms of global influence, peace and power.   AS A STATEMENT of ABSOLUTE FACT:  you are sittting in the top 1% of comfort and privilege found across all human history.   Most humans would happily give up an arm or a leg to live a life as nice as you have it.   NOBODY in history has had to struggle less than you.  And yet,  you can't feel your privilege because you don't feel dominent.  All Republicans are first and formost heirarchists: they measure thier success by how many throats are under their knee.    Think of how for thousands of years, trans people couldn't express their non-conformity without risking rapid imprisonment and death.  Now we finally create a society where they can tell the truth and the old white paradigm wants to exterminate every reality that conflicts with their own or else they will trash and burn down American prosperity..

From what I have learned from debating you especially is that you don't understand you own community.
  • Right.  You insist that a 56 year old gay man can't possibly know about the gay community than a 16 year straight boy.  You can't even hear your arrogance, can you?
from someone who won't even attempt to try to understand other points of view like religion or conservatism,
  • False.  I was raised in a Roman Catholic, very conservative community founded by Spiro Agnew.    Trust me when I say what you conservatism today bears no resemblance to the Americans conservatism of twenty or thirty years ago.  Republicans have become Fascists very much in the fashion of 1930's Germany- autocrats hunting for scapegoats to exterminate.
You have no justification for threatening me with war or "eradication"
  • I have not threatened anyone in any way. I don't think you understand that we didn't start this culture war. 
We didn't give porn to 3rd graders.
  • Nobody does.
We didn't show kids illegal drag stripper. performances.
  • Rudy Giuliani, anybody?  Drag performances used to be a staple of prime tv,
We didn't try to chemically castrate kids with the same drugs we give to pedophiles.
  • Nobody does
We didn't try to normalize pedophiles by calling them MAPs.
  • That's good Psychiatric Science.  Donald Trump, for example, is not a pedophile but he has been famously open about his attraction to minors.
We didn't try to ruin women's opportunity's by letting men compete in their sports. 
  • I don't think that was the intent of the trans teen athletes and I think you are kind of evil if you thinks that was their intent.
We didn't try to sexualize kids at a young age. 
  • Objectively and as a matter of history, Conservatives have ALWAYS fucked way more kids than Liberals.  Read your bible.  Read the history of  US Legislation.  Feminism, again, was the primary force in  the US for updating protections from child sex abuse and Conservatives consistently resisted such updates.   In the '70s, Walter Mondale led the charge to create a national standard for criminalizing pedophilia and  child sex abuse over considerable Conservative objections.  
    • It is NOT a coincidence that child sex abuse prosecution dropped to almost zero during the Trump administration- those are Trump's best donors and in the case of Jeff Epstein- his next door neighbor and underage MIami night club wing man.

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@YouFound_Lxam
The LGBTQ+ community refers to people who are strait, as cisgender. This is a brand-new term, not entirely agreed upon by all people. 
My question is why.  Why does the LGBTQ+ community expect us to give in to all of their labels, definitions, and perceptions of reality,
  • We don't.
while they go out, and disrespect women,
  • Fuck you.  I'll match my respect for women against the entire history of straight men's respect for women.  Queer rights emerged from Feminisim and speaking very generally, Queer people are many times more respectful of women then straight men, generally.
Their logic is, if a transgender woman, doesn't want to be called a man, we should respect that, but if a strait person doesn't want to be called cisgender, then that is a form of homophobia, or transphobia. 
  • I have never met a queer person who expects any straight to accept the term cisgender.   Thinking back over thousands of experience, every queer person I've ever known has been 100% fine with straight people identifying as "straight."  
  • I think you are a sad little victim looking for a victimizer.  LGBTQ are not victimizing you.
This is where I have come to realize that the LGBTQ+ community not only has stopped promoting equality for all, but have started promoting in the changing of definitions, labels, and perceptions of reality. They claim, "our definitions are right and anyone who says otherwise are the crazy ones, because they are the ones who are not accepting reality for what it really is." 
  • False.  Give me three specific examples of LGBTQ+ community  claiming that.
Whether you like it or not, reality is not based upon how people feel. It is how people are. Reality is the key word here. Facts do not care about your feelings.
  • Are you coming out as mind-reader?  No.  Well, sorry to burst your bubble but there is only one reality that you can know the truth of and yes, your reality (quite obviously, in your case) is deeply rooted in your feelings.  Any claim you make to understand the reality of others is a fucking lie, a religious claim that the US Consititution me from.    I am 100% sure that you notion of reality is fucked up and dangerous to the peace and liberty of your fellow Americans.  Please check your frightened bunny bigotry before you wreck yourself.
. I am just a 16-year-old kid trying to understand,
  • Well, then I strongly recommend you shut the fuck up with your all-mighty declamations until you achieve a little understanding.  You are too young to understand.  By the time you are in your 30's you will work with gay people, you wil be aware of gay people in your family and you will discover that there really is not any important difference between LGBTQ+ and straight people in terms of public policy and good citizenship.

This is a culture war. The two sides? Reality, and Delusion. 
  • Your delusion is that you are at war with me.  I am not at war with you.  Calm the fuck down.  You have no Consitituional or Christian basis for your fear of LGBTQ+   You have no justification for threatening me with war or "eradication"    The only delusion here is your war, which Republicans are actively fomenting as a power play.  Are you really having so much trouble with LGBTQ+ people in your real life or are pols like DeSantis and Abbot just  stoking your fears every couple of days.  You are being manipulated.


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@Kaitlyn
I'm making the point that the American media should be informing the American public, rather than stirring up race riots with distorted reporting. Do you not agree with that? Do you think legacy media should continue to heavily distort reporting?
  • Your failure to comprehend your own sources'  central argument is the problem here.  I can't force you to be less bigoted and sideblinded in your information than you are.
    • Here is how YOUR SOURCE explained the 11-21 times reporting:
      • This latest piece https://twitter.com/DavidRozado/status/1643798767781683201?s=20… actually reminds me of how astonished I was when seeing how much news coverage black police shooting victims receive in other countries/regions of the world--from Afghanistan and Myanmar to Somalia, Vietnam, and Poland. Everywhere.
      • But social media is a game changer.  And clickbait content sells and travels everywhere.  I also suspect media in some countries likes to highlight this stuff to distract from their own internal issues ('see how racist and creul life is in the US?')
      • And Goldberg's source goes on to clarifiy:
        • No evidence it started in US media. Analysis of 98 million news articles across 36 countries quantifies. Exception: state-controlled media from China/Russia/Iran using wokeness terminology to criticize/mock the West


The poll's data was released in 2019. 
  • So now we have two falsehoods and one quite stupid misreading.  
    • Skeptics CUPES polling was done September/Octobober 2020- it's right there in the first line
    • CUPES-007 was published was published Feb 20, 2020
The crime statistics quoted in the infographic come from 2019. How else are we going to know about crime statistics for 2019 if they are crime statistics for 2020? Lol.
  • LOL.  You lied when you said:  "A 2019 survey asked people "  and then when I caught you lying, you doubled down, "The poll's data was released in 2019. "   THEN you lied a third time saying, there's no world in which you're right." Caught telling one lie to cover up another  you're like, "oh well,  so what?"
    • Let's agree that your research ability  is not to be trusted on this site.  But then I already knew that based on the corruption of your conclusions

Are you going to address that fact at all, or are you going to keep skirting around that lying by omission done by legacy media?
  • Your own source explained it to you in his first  tweet. 
    • social media,
    • clickbait, 
    • foreign interest,
    • enemy bot disto
  • Regretably,  your overripe and malodorous prejudices vs. black people has rendered you incapable of digesting even very simple, tweeted  information.  
  • Re-read this forum from the top.  The only one telling lies here is you.

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Whoa, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that the American media exists solely for foreign people to read. It's not like you'd want to it keep the American people informed of what is going on in their country! It's much better to distort police on Black violence to the point wherein Black people think they need to riot against police brutality!
  • That is not what your source reported.  Did you read your source?
The poll's data was released in 2019. 
  • So now we have two falsehoods and one quite stupid misreading.  
    • Skeptics CUPES polling was done September/Octobober 2020- it's right there in the first line
    • CUPES-007 was published was published Feb 20, 2021
 Even if it wasn't...
  • WTF?  You don't know for certain?  DId you actually read your source or did you just repeat information your masters told you to repeat?  I think it is pretty clear now that you are just repeating information that you've never even looked at, much less researched.
But how do you explain it? How do you explain the American public's highly delusional view 
  • Maybe most Americans are nearly as lazy and prejudiced as you are about finding their facts.   Let's assume the avg. American polled tried no harder than you did to come to a conclusion, the difference being they didn't lie about researching their opinion the way you have done.

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Weird that you call the media "lying" but you failed to report a single untruth told by media.

  • Goldberg himself explains the over-reporting of unarmed blacks:  foreign interest.  Most foreign countries don't find police shooting of white people interesting enough to print but any shooting of unarmed black people makes America look racist and every country likes to read about how racist America is.
  • The only inaccuracy in this OP is you moving the Skeptic poll from Sept 2020 to 2019 (immediately after George Floyd to before George Floyd).  If you wanted a distorted picture of white oppression of black Americans, choosing the week Trump told the Proud Boys to "stand by" on prime time tv is an excellent choice.
    • I don't think Americans exagerrated sense of police threat to black people can be blamed on foreign interest.

Except for the inaccuracy you brought, I don't see any lies documented here.

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@PREZ-HILTON
PREZ-HILTON
A member since June 5, 2022

Personal information
Gender     Male
Country    United States
Education   High school
  • LOL
Religion  Christian
  • ROFL

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@PREZ-HILTON
Simple, easily researched facts our website President is too dumb, too lazy  and too full of hysterical racist rage to know:

  • People born and raised in Dallas, TX are called Americans, not Mexicans.
  • Mexican is not a skin color
  • 50% of Mexicans are white
  • 80% of Hispanics in the US are white
  • Many White Supremacists are hispanic, particularly in Texas
What does it say about this website that it's elected President is objectively stupid, deliberately misinformed, and so full of shame and rage about his irrational feelings about skin color?   It says we don't respect reasoned argument on this site enough to care what  manner of ill-cared for child represents us.

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@Intelligence_06
Sure thing, Intel-

  1. Abbey, A., Parkhill, M. R., & Koss, M. P. (2009). The effects of frame of reference on responses to questions about sexual assault victimization and perpetration. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 24(10), 1702-1722. https://doi.org/10.1177/0886260509336964
  2. Franklin, C. A., Bouffard, L. A., & Pratt, T. C. (2017). The myth of the provocative victim: The impact of attire on perceptions of victims and assailants in sexual assault cases. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 46(7), 1957-1968. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-017-0969-7
  3. Kozee, H. B., Tylka, T. L., Augustus-Horvath, C. L., & Denchik, A. (2016). Development and psychometric evaluation of the Interpersonal Sexual Objectification Scale. Journal of Sex Research, 53(6), 727-747. https://doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2015.1129391

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@Best.Korea
If we say that:  "women walking around half-naked = increase in rape"
  • Then you would be contradicting every study of the relationship between women's dress and rape.
  • Science has overwhelmingly dismissed this myth as without merit.
Here are a few examples:
  1. A study published in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence in 2009 found that there was no significant relationship between the sexual attractiveness of a woman's clothing and the likelihood of rape. The study concluded that rape is primarily driven by the perpetrator's motivation to exert power and control over their victim, rather than the victim's appearance or behavior.
  2. Another study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior in 2017 found that there was no significant relationship between women's clothing and sexual assault. The study surveyed college students and found that the likelihood of sexual assault was influenced by factors such as alcohol use, prior victimization, and social norms regarding sexual behavior, but not by women's clothing.
  3. A third study published in the Journal of Sex Research in 2016 examined the relationship between women's clothing and sexual objectification. The study found that women who wore revealing clothing were not more likely to be objectified than women who dressed more modestly. The study also found that sexual objectification was associated with negative outcomes such as body shame and decreased self-esteem.
Compare rape statistics from nude and topless beaches in the West to rape statistics in countries where women wear full hijab and we find that an entirely invisible woman is far more at risk than even a naked woman. 

In recent years, there has been a growing recognition within the criminal justice system and society at large that victim-blaming attitudes that suggest a woman's clothing or behavior is responsible for their assault are harmful and unjustified. These attitudes contribute to a culture of sexual violence and undermine the rights of survivors.

There is no relationship between women's clothing choices and rape.  



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Lauren Boebert was a prostitute and had two abortions.
  • Not true.  I think the truth is way more interesting.
  • Boebert moved to the small oil company town of Rifle in 2003 at the age of 16.  She got a job at McDonalds's and met an 22 year old working the oil rigs named Jason Boebert.
    • In 2004, Jason was convicted of showing his tattooed penis to two underage girls (there were four complaints total) while in the company of Ms. Boebert.  Later that same year, Jason was convicted of physically assaulting Lauren while the 17 year old was pregant with his child.  She didn't drop the charges against him but she did marry him three years later after giving birth to their second child.  Lauren dropped of high school and did not get her GED until after securing the Republican nomination for the House in 2020.
    • Lauren's political career started in 2019 when, deep in thralls of QAnon conspiracy theoriests, she challenged Beto O'Rouke on guns during a live Presidential Debate.  The Texas oil company that essentially own Rifle, CO and employs her husband, then encouraged Lauren to run for congress on her new found fame while in they raised her husband's fortune from roughneck to natural gas executive.  The Boeberts were fined by the IRS for trying to conceal the fact that they now receive half a million dollars in salary and substantial bonuses from Terra Energy.  Anybody who looks at rate at which Boebert introduces legislation trying to deregulate natural gas and increase energy fees understands that her purpose in Congress is to represent Terra Energy.
    • Boebert has never been convicted of prostitution but she has been convicted of disorderly conduct, failure to appear in court, careless driving, food poisoning 80 people with bad pork, defrauding her 2020 campaign of $22,000 dollars, defrauding her 2022 campaign of $6000 and tax fraud.
  • I think Boebert represents everything Republicans want in a woman- a woman you can beat on, cheat on, molest underage girls with and she'll still do your bidding, pump out your babies, grandmother at the age of 36  and do your crimes for you while you kick back and enjoy the profits.  That's the Republican view of women in a nutshell.


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@Kaitlyn
What do you think of this statistical finding? 

  • Weak, mendacious.
  • Why are you comparing 21st century nation data to 20th century black crime data?  What is relevant about black homicide rates from 1965-1995 compared to the 28 years after 1995? Almost nothing.  Profound decreases in homicide rates  took place over that time which you ignore because using those 21st century numbers falsifies your comparisons.
  • Using different standards in order to dramatically exagerate the undeniable problem of black homicide is poor conduct and by itself, quite racist.

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Unsuprising. You are deeply unintelligent
It's clear from best Korea's posts that he's like 14 years old, so try to be less of a piece of shit.

  • First of all, I have consistently preached that you can't allow children on a site that also allows open hate speech.  Most right-wingers like you write and think at about the same level, same vocabulary, etc.   No, I can't tell most fourteen year olds from the uneducated klansman that hang out all day on this site.  Certainly, that YouFound kid who is fifteen years old is way comes off as much, much older than you.  When I first me you I assumed you were a little kid for a very long time.
  • If Best Korea really is fourteen years and is already such a hate-filled little troll, I blame you and the amoral cunts like you on this site who devote all their time to bullying minorities for sport and right-wing cred and give zero shits about debating or rational thinking or the truth.  
  • This OP starts with you spreading an evil fucking lie (something I've caught you doing hundred of times on this site) just to fuck with people's minds, just to try to get away with tricking people into hating vulnerable minorities enough to provoke violence.  You are teaching kids that they justify their irrational hatred of stranger by making up obvious lies and refusing to apologize.  
    • Fuck you and shame on you, you weak-minded little child abuser.  Why don't you try to teach something honest and humane?

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@Best.Korea
Christian God was very pleased with positive trolling,
  • An unchristian lie
so I am not sure what are you talking about.
  • Unsuprising.  You are deeply unintelligent.
Jesus himself called a woman a dog to provoke her reaction.
  • False.
Matthew 15:22-28

And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus is using an analogy, likening believers to children whose bread ought not to be thrown out as trash.  The Canaanite persists, calling Jesus master and demonstrating her faith in spite of being a foreigner, which Jesus acknowledges.

Unsurprising that you hold such anti-Christian, anti-woman perspectives on the Bible.
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@Best.Korea
You are willing to say out loud that the God you worship is pro-troll without ever comprehending the consequences of such conclusion:  the God you worship is not a Christian god.
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True. Gays are not coming for my children because I dont have children.
  • True.  Trolls as evil as you are universally unfuckable.   That's just Darwin pulling out the weeds.


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Anybody who believes any source cited by PREZ-HILTON should re-evaluate their intelligence.  PREZ  does not  ever do the truth, his  primary motivation in life is to troll you: to tell you lies and laugh at your easy gullibility.

Looks like this is just another hate-bot running rampant on Twitter.  Honest people will note that no news source is cited and there's no suggestion that any German child has ever been removed from a German household for anti-gay speech.  One skeptical website suggests the pictures come from a recent removal of children from a foster family back to birth parents with a history of child abuse but this, too, is just Twitterings and not news in any sense.  The last factual claim made by this same source claimed that Muslims in England have to bury their women in locked cages to keep the Christians from digging them up and raping them.  Obviously, this source is trying to trick people into hating one another with rather obvious and stupid lies. Anybody who falls for these lies without researching the truth for themselves doesn't really merit the claim of being a "debater" do they?

As for "gays are coming for your children"  that is just hate speech without any relevant truth.  We can't really wonder why no interesting or honest people want to join our site when our  (elected) President is no more than a very dumb, deeply dishonest hatemonger.
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All I know is that Gender affirming care hurts children and that people who want it done are evil for putting identity politics over the well being of children.
  • We liberals oppose the notion of big government telling doctors and patients what is good medicine,  when governments are clearly less qualified.  In this case we have professional public and private healthcare workers overwhelmingly advocating the advantages and of this therapy and on the other side we have big government not giving a damn, making shit up.  Sorry, but poltiicans are liars.  I'm going to trust the doctors in this case.

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Off topic, but why do you refuse to capitalize the Is in your title?

Just curious. It’s a little strange to me.
Call it style experimentation.

The joke I've used before is "To demonstrate the absence of ego"
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By AMY BETH HANSON, SAM METZ and MATTHEW BROWN

HELENA, Mont. (AP) — Montana Republicans barred transgender lawmaker Zooey Zephyr from the House floor for the rest of the 2023 session on Wednesday in retaliation for her rebuking colleagues – and then participating in protests – after they voted to ban gender-affirming care for children.

The punishment marks the first time in nearly half a century that Montana lawmakers have sought to censure one of their own. It caps a weeklong standoff between her and House Republican leaders and formalizes their decision to not let Zephyr speak since she said those supportive of such a ban would have blood on their hands.

Zephyr will be able to vote and participate in committees, but not discuss proposals and amendments that are under consideration with the full House. The legislative session is set to end in early May.

The fight over Zephyr’s remarks has brought the nationwide debate over protest’s role in democracy to Montana, where lawmakers punished her for voicing dissent, an increasingly prevalent move in statehouses. In supporting Zephyr’s attempts to regain her voice, protesters interrupted proceedings earlier this week by chanting “Let her Speak” in a boisterous rally that came after they protested outside the Capitol and unfurled a banner that read “Democracy Dies Here.”

After days of rebuffing Zephyr’s request to speak, Republican leaders finally granted her the floor to give a statement before they ultimately voted to censure her Wednesday. She said her initial “blood on your hands” remark and subsequent decision to hoist a microphone into the air toward protesters in the House gallery were an effort to stand up for the LGBTQ+ community and her 11,000 constituents in Missoula.

House Speaker Matt Regier’s decision to turn off her microphone, she said, was an attempt to drive “a nail in the coffin of democracy.”

“If you use decorum to silence people who hold you accountable, then all you’re doing is using decorum as a tool of oppression,” Zephyr told her colleagues.
House Republicans who supported barring Zephyr from the floor have accused her of placing lawmakers and staff at risk of harm for disrupting House proceedings and inciting protests in the chamber on Monday.

But lawmakers were on the floor Monday when protesters were in the gallery, and there have been no reports of damage to the building.

“Freedom in this body involves obedience to all the rules of this body, including the rules of decorum,” House Majority Leader Sue Vinton said.

Authorities arrested seven people in the confrontation, who Zephyr said were defending democracy. Her opponents said ensuring government can conduct business on behalf of the people without interruption was a critical precedent to set.

“This is an assault on our representative democracy, spirited debate, and the free expression of ideas cannot flourish in an atmosphere of turmoil and incivility,” Republican David Bedey said on the House floor.

The episode comes weeks after two Black lawmakers, Tennessee state Reps. Justin Jones and Justin Pearson, were expelled for participating in a protest in favor of gun control after another school shooting. Similarly, Zephyr’s punishment has ignited a firestorm of debate about governance and who has a voice in an elected body during this politically polarizing time.

Post-expulsion, the fate of the two Tennessee lawmakers were sent to their county commissions, which swiftly voted to reinstate them. Zephyr told The Associated Press after the vote that Republican leaders were likely aware that a similar sequence of events could be triggered, had they expelled her.

“My community and the Democratic Party in Missoula would send me back here in a heartbeat because I represent them and I represent their values by standing up for democracy,” she said.

The censure comes two days after protesters later packed into the gallery at the Statehouse and brought House proceedings to a halt chanting “Let her speak” as Zephyr lifted her microphone toward them. Seven subsequent arrests galvanized both her supporters and those saying Zephyr’s actions constitute an unacceptable attack on civil discourse.

“There needs to be some consequences for what he has been doing,” said Rep. Joe Read, who frequently but inconsistently used incorrect pronouns when referring to Zephyr.

He claimed Zephyr gave a signal to her supporters just before Monday’s session was disrupted. He declined to say what that was other than a “strange movement.”
“When she gave the signal for protesters to go into action, I would say that’s when decorum was incredibly broken,” Read added.

Zephyr told the AP that she felt the moment was calling on her to stand up for democracy.

“Every time that one of these votes came; every time the speaker refused to allow me to speak; when the protesters came and demanded, my thought was twofold,” she said. “Pride in those who stood up to defend democracy and a hope that in some small way, I could rise to that moment individually and do the work they sent me to do.”


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But you can believe you are transgender. Believe is the verb here. It is the action/activity that is being done. You are believing.

When a large group of people, Push an idea, Or multiple ideas, To social norms, It becomes an ideology. 
  • Crazy talk.  Let's agree a large group of people believe the sun rises in the east.  Is that belief an ideology?
Transgenderism claims that a man can become a woman, a woman can become a man, men can menstruate, men can get pregnant, and etc. 

  • Quite false.  Transgender people are only honestly reporting their feeling that their personal identity doesn't match the identity assigned them at birth.  There is no choice or belief system involved that is the unkind prejudice you impose upon them by assuming they are insincere in their reports.
  • You cannot produce a single example of a transman claiming that he is biologically identical to a cisman.  Some transmen still menstruate and get pregnant and all transmen will acknowledge that this is a biological difference between transmen and cismen.
These are not facts,
  • False.  Men can legally become women.  Women can legally become men.  Some transmen menstruate and get pregnant.  These are fact you may not deny.
  • The social construct is Feminst: all humans share an equal right to be validated in the expression of their identity. 
In recent years this idea has taken over social norms in the west and has been pushed by a large group of people. Therefore, it is an ideology, and not just simply an idea. 
  • As explained to you many, many times without sinking in.: The ideology you describe is a real ideology belonging to Feminism and predating even the word Transgender.  Transgenderism has a meaning that describes an human experience and not an ideology.  When you use the wrong label for the ideology, you are disrepecting the experience as well as the Feminsts right to authorship of the ideology you oppose.  


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@YouFound_Lxam
Debating is a socially constructed activity. Transgenderism is not an activity, it's an identity, right?

  • That's right.  And any socially constructed activity is far more likely to be ideological thanjust  being honest about who your are, right?
To prove your logic is sound, you must provide three examples of the well know ideology called Debaterism.  SInce we both know you can't you should admit that your reasoning is faulty.

I identify as brown-eyed for the purposes of drivers liscenses, etc although my eyes are really more of a gold flecked olive.  Maybe late in life, I'll decide that green is really a more accurate description of my eye color.  This don't not give you leave to invent an ideology called "green-eyedism" and start ascribing a bunch of qualities to that entirely fake thin you made up.  Yes, there are ideas involved but no idelogy.  The only prinicple at stake is trying to match a complex answer to a society that only takes brown, green, and blue as legitimate answers.  Common courtesey that whether or not you buy that my eyes are brown or green, when I tell you I am brown-eyed you accept my expert opinion.  If I change my identity to green-eyed, common courtesey still demands that you accept my expert opinion no matter what your opinion is on the matter, and in fact, you are reasonable to assueme that your opinion is manifestly less informed and so unwanted.  Likewise, there is no ideology of Transgenderism for you to wage war.  You can refuse to accept someone's stated pronoun but that only reflects your selfish need, not any principled stance.

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Ok, so according to you,
  • According to WIkipedia documenting the work of scientists.  
Trans-people don't have to be born with Gender Dysphoria in order to be Transgender. Therefore Transgenderism is an ideology, and not something mentally based in any biological way or medical way. It is an idea, and not something someone is born with, and someone can be Transgender at any time anywhere for any reason.
I see.  So you thnk that any IDEA is also an IDEOLOGY.  The mere notion that "I think I might be man trapped ina woman's body" counts as a "Doctrine, philosophy, body of beliefs or principles belonging to an individual or group."   Since I wasn't born a debater but only took up debating in the last years, you feel like you can impose an ideology of debaterism on me, ever though you are totally incapable of naming once principle debater hold in common.

Debaters don't have to be with Debatersim in order to be Debaters.  Therefore, Debaterism is an ideology and not something mentally based in any biological or medical way.  It is an idea and not something someone is born with and some one can be a Debater at any time anywhere for any reason.

If your logic is sound, than you should be able to give me three prominent examples of Debaters and explain three prinicples that alll Debaterists hold in common.

If you can't do this, your argument must fail since not all ideas are ideology.

That my friend is called an ideology. 
  • You, my friend, need a dictionary.



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You still ignore my arguments and my questions. 

  • All of your bullshit is premised on the false notion that there is an ideology out there.  Since you now know for a fact that there is no such ideology, you now also know there's no point to makup up fake arguments against it.
Can someone who is not born with gender dysphoria, become transgender?

  • WIKIPEDIA: Transgender is an umbrella term. In addition to trans men and trans women, it may also include people who are non-binary.  Other definitions of transgender also include people who belong to a third gender, or else conceptualize transgender people as a third gender, and the term may be defined very broadly to include cross-dressers.  Some two-spirit people may also identify as transgender.  
  • Gender dysphoria is the distress a person experiences due to a mismatch between their gender identity—their personal sense of their own gender—and their sex assigned at birth,
    • So- many people are born transgendered but nobody is born with dysphoria.
      • Many trans people don't decide they are trans until later in life.
      • Some trans people don't experience GD until later in life.
      • Some trans people don't experience GD at all.

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I would like to eradicate, any moral system or ideology created by people that dictates how people should act.
  • There is no moral system or ideology that was not created by people.  Therefore, you are working to eradicate all human ideas.
But this debate is about Transgender Ideology, not Feminism, so let's keep it on topic. 
  • There is no Transgender ideology.  
  • All you have to do to disprove me is to find three self-identified Transgenderists who succintly state the what Transgenderism believes.
    • Obviously, no anti-transgenderists or non-genderists can be counted.
  • Any idiot can produce this simple reality test for any real idealogy.  
  • If you can't do it, then my statement that there is no Transgender Ideology stands.
Until you have established that you know for a fact that Transgenderism is real and that you understand that ideology 'score principles, there really is no point to going on and on about it as if it was real, right?

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