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• Only the Republicans are at war with culture: culture is a mirror and vampires resent their lack of reflection.  The trans folks are just trying to find a way to be public and honest about who they are.  Certainly, it worked out better for the rest of the LGB's.
  

Ok, and that's what I am going for. The bolded words. What exactly does it contribute?

Because if it is a good contribution, then I would be all for it taking away irrational fears of benefiting society. 

• Do you think that you are a contribution o society?  and if you answer yes, let's assume the average trans person contributes more good to society.
  

• Everybody agrees there are differences- You contradict  most biologists, the AMA, the APA by claiming that those differences are black and white and cleanly dilineated.  That is very old school thinking long disproved by science.  There are variations between to isolated poles you insist upon.
  

• Most famous biologists don't think there are differences between man and women?  I don't buy that.  That's just another straw man. Name a few famous biologist who say there is no difference btween male and females brains.
  

• Oh, so you think "almost all" scientists are insincere in their findings and so easily swayed by external pressure?   You think Science generally is conspiring together to conceal from you what Scientists  really, secretly think about gender dimorphism and it just so happens that Science's top-secret, uncoerced opinion matches your own?
  
• If that's is your general opinion of Science (and I can't say I'll surprised that it is) then why the hell bother claiming in the OP that you want to stick to science and biology.  You complain that transgenderism is anti-science but it turns out you are anti-science yourself.  You don't even think science generally  is being honest much less accurate or comprehensive.  For you, the findings of science must be useless since they can never be trusted.
  

• OK, let's hear your brilliant plan to eradicate transgenderism while upholding the Constitution and remaining a moral man
  

• So here is another example where Science is saying one thing publicly but you are convinced that almost all scientists are lying and secretly agree with your almost entirely fact-free and decidedly prejudiced assessment.
  

• POST#216 
  
• (derogatory) A purported ideology behind transgender identities, trans activism and trans rights movements; transness, viewed as an ideology. (Compare homosexual agenda.) 
  
• that is, transgender movement=transgender ideology
  
• POST#217
  
• YOU: you have claimed that the transgender movement is...  a subset of the feminist movement
  
• This is False.  I claim there is no transgender movement only a feminist ideology regarding transgenderism.
  
• YOU are claiming that the transgender movement is a subset of the feminist movement, not me.
  
• I only started using the notion "transgender movement" to correct your false claim regarding what I said.
  

• Of course, I am talking about the label Blackism.  Neither of us would dispute that Black people have ideas.
  
• Stilll, I must concede the point because when I went to WIktionary to demonstrate there is no ideology called Blackism is get
  

1. A political movement promoting black people.
   

• So- analogy withdrawn
  
• I still don't think you could come up with three Blackists advocating Blackism, just as nobody can come up with three Transgenderist advocating Transgenderism.  The label is NOT just semantics when identifying an ideology.  The label contains a specific set of ideas.

I get the idea that you want to make feminism the ideology behind transgender rather than letting transgender have its own ideology.

A human condition and an ideology are not mutually exclusive.

Come on, now. Clearly, I did not refer to “a condition.”

• No, multiple conservative, objective dictionaries explained to you and you failed to understand that Transgenderism is a word that describes a human condition and never " the set of claims and ambitions of the transgender movement" because no such set exists outside of the imagination of the American Right wing.
  

• Here is NOW making the claim succintly:  "Today we remind the world that trans women are women, trans girls are girls, and that non-binary and gender-nonconforming people are valid in their stated identities."
  
• Not just people but fully enfranchised citizens with the same right to declare themselves a woman as any other.  It is a statement about gender identity, Feminism, and not a statement about gender dymorphism, Transgenderism.

1. An adult female human.
   
2. (collective) All female humans collectively; womankind. 
   
3. A female person, usually an adult; a (generally adult) female sentient being, whether human, supernatural, elf, alien, etc. 
   
4. A wife (or sometimes a fiancée or girlfriend). 
   
5. A female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified type of thing. (Used as the last element of a compound.) 
   
6. A female attendant or servant. 
   

• False.  I am claiming that the transgender movement is a civil rights movement properly called the transgender civil rights movement and not Transgenderism or an Transgender ideology and more than you would call the civil rights movement Black ideology or Blackism.  TRANSGENDERISM is the state  of experiencing a gender identity which is different from the sex one was assigned at birth.  IT is a human condition and not a human thought.  To call it an ideology is to fail to recognize that transgenderism is a condition and not a thought.  Autism is a condition and not an ideology.  Left-handedness is a condition and not an ideology.  If you started calling autism an ideology, you would be deliberately insulting the autistic.  In the exact same way, to call Transgenderism an ideology is to deliberately insult trans people.
  

• Feminism is an idea and not a human condition.  If you can't understand a distinction that medical professionals, scientists, dictionaries, have no problem making  (i.e. the objective, long-debated, and expert opinion), than that is your lack of understanding.
  

• Total bullshit.  Obviously, the writers of dictionaries have no problem distinguishing conditions from ideology. Dictionaries note and define idelogies wherever they find them and those books consistenly find no idelogy in Transgenderism, no transgender idelology.  Lexicographers have a professional obligation to objectivity and any objective definition must reject the notion that ideologies can be imposed, that the right-wing can define a transgender ideology for them.  Objectively, lexicographers have consistently found that either there is no Transgender ideology or else that the notion is devised as an intention insult.
  

• Fine.  Stop dithering.  Please provide multiple example of transwomen publicly making the claim that they are in "full possession and knowledge of womanhood."  That is the ideology you just said you were fighting against, right? Obviously, you must be able to cite many examples.  In my experience, trans woman are careful with their words and never, ever insult their fellow women by saying such things.
  

• That is an accurate description of the condition and not at all ideological to the unbiased.  When black sanitation workers went on strike in Memphis raising sign that said, "I am a MAN!"  only the bigots saw that phrase as ideological (a belief), everybody else saw the phrase as a statement of fact: if all men are created equal I am a man.  Those sanitation workers weren't thinking about biology they were demanding the equal rights due any human.  Likewise, a transwoman stating "I am a women" is a legitimate civil rights claim to enfranchisement.  That is ideology but it is the ideology of the Declaration of Independence and theoretically, the core value of the American, however consistently Republicans fail to up hold up that core value.
  
• You and YFL both seem to be saying that you think that if you stopped a transwoman carrying a "TRANS WOMEN are WOMEN!" sign at a rally and asked her biological facts like "were you born with a uterus?" or "are you able to bear children?" that she would say yes, but that is not reality.  In my experience, trans women are keenly aware and realistic about the biological facts of their condition.  When they say "transwomen are women" they mean in the sense of public policy, a question resolved by the Civil Rights act of 1964. 
  
• You hear "transwomen are women" as an assertion of biological fact but that's only happening in your head and not in the heads of the people on whom you are trying to impose an ideology.
  
  
  
   
  

1. The state of being transgender. (See usage notes) quotations ▼
   
   the International Journal of Transgenderism
   
2. (derogatory) A purported ideology behind transgender identities, trans activism and trans rights movements; transness, viewed as an ideology. (Compare homosexual agenda.) 
   

• Because there are many Feminists who embrace and promote Feminism.  Nobody claims to be a proponent of Transgender Idelogy, only opponents.
  
• Because we don't call it "Female-ism"  
  
• We make a distinction between what we are born with and what we believe.
  
• Because there is nothing in what Republicans claim is called "Transgender ideology" that didn't already exist for decades as part of Feminist ideology.
  

• Only in a social sense, right.  I mean, they also created the labels transgender men and cisgender men to note the biological distinction, so you can't calim that trans people don't understand the biological distinction.  No trans persons is claiming that they magically transformed into the gender they feel more comfortable within.
  

• A fact of life:  transmen with functional uteruses can get pregnant.  As you  yourself claimed, the label is personal and unimportant to public policy.
  

• You were once again lying.  Transmen have a Consitituional right to identify as men and they don't have to admit otherwise to you in order to avoid your program of eradication.  The US Constitution protects such speech and any attempt by you to eradicate such speech is patently anti-American.  

• Both terms describe the same phenomenon.  As you've proved incapable of comprehending, anybody identifiying as anything is called liberty in America.  That is ideology called Liberalism and America is built on the foundation belief in that liberty.  There's nothing particularly transgender about that ideology only particularly American.
  

• You claim there are"transgender people in real life and spokespersons who claim  that  gender identity is as important as biological sex"
  
• Provide three example of transgender spokespeople making this claim.  
  

• LGBTQ  Civil Rights are very deep to me, kid.  As a student of history, I understand that my life depends on discrediting your call to "eradicate" me and my kind.  Just because you aren't old or bright enough to understand  the destruction such rhetoric inflicts on civil societies, does not mean you get to tell me to chill out regarding the threat you pose.
  

• Greene, Puberty Blockers, Cross-Sex Hormones, and Youth Suicide
  
• Extremely  well distributed across the Right Wing echo chamber on Twitter, Facebook, reported by FOX News, WSJ, all major right-wing media.
  
• Notice that although Greene represent his report as a scientific study, his study was never published or even submitted to any scientific journal, no peer review was ever sought and a freshman in sociology could explain why Greene's report could never pass any peer review.
  
• Greene himself has his doctorate in Political Science.  No scientists, particularly medical professionals or biologists were involved in writing this report.  No transgendered people participated in Greene's analysis of transgendered behavior.
  
• In short, not fucking science in any sense of the word.  Although Heritage and FOX and Republicans Senators on Twitter all called it Science, that was all just a lie to fool suckers like you.
  
• Greene's thesis goes like this, "there are 33 states where doctors are not compelled to seek parental permission before treating a minor, with an incedible amount of variety within those 33 states regarding circumstances.  Those 33 states have seen a 1.6 per 100,000 increase in suicide among ages 12-23 since 2010 and 2010 is when hormone therapies started become widely available, therefore the lack of compulsory parental permission is causing more teen suicide.
  
• Never mind the blatant Post Hoc ergo Propter Hoc, Greene never bothers to tell his wide-eyed believers that the AMA and APA consider any kind of hormone treatment or surgery on minors without parental permission unethical and Doctors simply don't provide these treatments to minors without parental permission.  There is no reporting so it may be possible to find one or two outliers but there is ZERO POSSIBILITY that the frequency of incendents could impact the general suicide rate in 12-23 year olds.  Any statistiician could have explained to Heritage that scale of the suggested problem is infinitely small compared to the result Greene irresponsible claims.
  
• In 2021 about 1,390  out of 50 million kids aged 6-17 sought puberty blocker care in 2021.  There was not one documented case of a minor receiving puberty blockers without that minor's parent's permission.  Such drugs are expensive and you can't tell me that  the insurance  companies are paying for drugs behind the parent's back.  Of the 282 mastectomies performed  in 2021 on minors with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria all were over 16 years old and all had parent's permission.
  
• Put succintly, Greene is blaming teen suicide on a phenomenon  that does not exist: trans teens getting gender affirming treatment without parental permission.
  

• This is just basic American liberalism.  All transpeople are created equal to all non-trans and are deserving of every human right, the same as every other human.  Yes, I know you just let your secret agenda cat out of your secret agenda bag but no good American fails to believe that transpeople are deserving of human rights.

• I never said that.  Please go fuck yourself for making up so many lies about what I'm saying.  If you can't argue honestly, don't argue at all.
  

• Another lie.  I held you to YOUR standard:  Science and biology. I couldn't two sources because they were behind a paywall.  The Southern Baptists and the dishonored Heritage foundation were rejected as themselves ideological enterprises and therefore non-objective sources for defining your phony term.
  

• But when the Harvard Law Review and Stanford School of Medicine catch your "journalists" making up their own studies and fact to justify their false beliefs, we can dismiss those studies and the Foundatin behind them  as corrupt and anti-scientific and driven by religious hate and political profit and not objective science.  ALL rational debaters reject studies like this is they want to be, as you pretend to be, on the side of "science and biology"  Because the Heritage Foundation cheated at the science, no honorable objective opinion can trust it.
  

• Go fuck your desperate childish attempts to change the subject.  Prove Transgender Ideology is a real belief and quickly or admit your haven't really thought your claim through.
  

I don't believe this.

• You provide one cuckoo anti-science relgious source and once cuckoo anti-science poltical source.  
  
• Southern Baptists are not a legitimate source for defining something called transgender ideology.  If  you can't accept that statement, you have no legitimate claim to any objective or scientific perspective.
  

• Nobody agrees with it.  You haven't produces one single person who agrees with it.
  

• No, I'm saying traitors to my country have proved they don't have American's best interest at heart.  When discussing American public policy, let's only rely on people who want American democracy to succeed and never, ever listen to  traitors who have revealed that they are working to destroy American democracy.  Nobody who tried to sell the 2020 election as fraudulent knowing that it was not fraudulent  has any business pretending they are now loyal Americans two years later.
  

• A very cowardly non-sequitur.  Nobody claimed otherwise.  Focus:
  
• Labeling all Catholics pedophiles = labeling all Transgenders Transgenderists
  

• Stop.  You must support this claim or fuck off as a dishonest troll.
  
• You claim there are"transgender people in real life and spokespersons who claim  that  gender identity is as important as biological sex"
  
• Provide three example of transgender spokespeople making this claim.  
  
• No, we can't have any right-wingers telling us what they think transgender spokepeole say, give us the actual proof that this idealogy exists.
  

• The obvious difference is that nobody is born a Christian, they are made Christian by their belief. 
  

• Ony in the context civil rights, where men and women have the same and equal rights.
  

• You are also being exactly that same asshole, trying to force labels and ideologies on to people who don't accept you false mischaracterizations driven by a call for eradication.  Your misconduct in this forum is evidence enough for anybody.
  

The idea of the ideology defines it.   Just as pedophilic preists don't represent Catholicism, no person or group of people represent Catholicism. The ideology defines it. I thought you of all people would be able to grasp this basic concept. 

• But then obviously, just as it would be evil of you to refer to all Catholics as pedophiles and who believe in an pedophilism ideology  that you mysteriously call Catholicism, it is exactlyh the same evil to refer to all transgender people when you are attempting to label some extremist minority opinion.   
  
• Let's agree that the belief that transgendered people are physically the same in every respect as cisgendered would qualify as an ideology but an ideology in need of an appropriate name like "Anti-lxamism"  My point is that calling an ideology that YOU KNOW FOR A FACT does not represent transgendered people "TRANSGENDERISM" is every bit as socially unaceptable a renaming pedophilia Catholicism.

• So why in hell would you call some notion "transgender ideology" when you understand that it does not represent transgendered people?
  

I only described and defined the transgender ideology (idea).  

• False.  IF we follow Heritage and say the ideology you oppose claims something like: "gender identity is as important as biological sex,"   than that's a pretty vague and at least superficially false statement.  I don't know anybody who claims the like.  
  

• They belief that gender identity (the gender in which you want to identify) is as important as biological sex (what you were born as). Now as for getting into details of that claim, you can break it down easily, but when someone asks what they belief and you say that, they have an answer. Simple. 
  

The right to choose what you want to do with your life is up to you. So if you want to live in fantasy land, then you have every right to. That's a constitutional right.  The constitution gives you the right to fit into other ideologies that you deem fit.

• You're just repeating what I said.

Please provide 3 examples of political expression of the idea that "gender identity is as important as biological sex,"  that is not merely expressing the idea "that transgender people are entitled to the same civil rights as any other citizen."

• In fact, I'm fairly confident that the notion of an ideology of transgenderism originates with the Heritage Foundation.
  
• Let's agree that any organizaton that backed Trump's big lie about the 2020 election knowing that the fraud was on Trump's side can no longer be treated as an objective reporter of American political fact. 
  
• Organizations like the Heritage Foundation have never pretended to objectivity and may not cited as an objective source for defintion
  
• WIKIPEDIA:  The Heritage Foundation has engaged in several activities in opposition to transgender rights, including hosting several anti-transgender rights events, developing and supporting legislation templates against transgender rights,  and making claims about transgender youth healthcare and suicide rates based on internal research, contrary to the findings of peer-reviewed scientific studies.
  
• Making up your own internal research, that is truly anti-scientific.  Mainstream science rejects the Heritage Foundation's phony research.
  
• The Heritage Foundation defintion claims:
  
• Proponents of the ideology believe that
  
• gender identity is as important as biological sex  (I've never met anybody who makes this claim)
  
• and
  
• that trans people should be regarded as the gender with which they identify (basic courtesey, only true assholes fail to respect every citizen's right to name themselves and customize their identity.  In America, one's identify is one's own).
  
• So just objectively, Heritage foundation's totally biased definition layers one accusation that's generally false on top of one common courtesy on assholes don't do.
  

• Well, then you agree with me that transgenderism is not an ideology and we are both just waiting for you to remove your head from your ass.. 
  

• That is what you are claiming when you call it transgender ideology or an ideology of transgenderism, that's like defining white supremacy as white ideology or the ideology of white people.   SInce you agree with me that whatever you are calling transgender ideology  does not represent all or even a majority of trangendered people, we must rationally agree that you are using a wrong and likely deliberately misleading label for the ideology you oppose.
  

• False.  IF we follow Heritage and say the ideology you oppose claims something like: "gender identity is as important as biological sex,"   than that's a pretty vague and at least superficially false statement.  I don't know anybody who claims the like.  
  
• Now, say you were to change that to:
  
• As a mattter of public policy, people may choose their gender identity and pursue their happiness therein as they see fit
  
• You might call that ideology but as I've said before, that is the US Constitution and upholders of the US Constitution ought not be properly referred to as "transgendered"
  
• Let's take a look at how big a problem this ideology you speak of really is.  Please provide 3 examples of political expression of the idea that "gender identity is as important as biological sex,"  that is not merely expressing the idea "that transgender people are entitled to the same civil rights as any other citizen."
  

• You just agreed with me that not all transpeople share the same set of beliefs.  You forgot to explain what fault you found with my reasoning and you sould also explain why you agree with my faulty reasoning.
  

Biological truth, Scientific truth, and logic and reasoning. 

• Sorry buddy,  Coors money and the Southern Baptists ain't any of  that.

From what I remember, I mostly made that thread to let others talk about the issue, not for me specifically to go into deep conversation about it.

• ah

I don't have a problem with transgender people. I do have a problem in the belief's that they hold, but not the person specifically.

• how so?

• "The ideology of transgenderism" is your phony claim, not mine.
  
• If you were to more directly ask biologists if transgenderims is a biological, most biologists say yes but to an unkown degree.
  
• A 2008 study compared the genes of 112 trans women who were mostly already undergoing hormone treatment, with 258 cisgender male controls. Trans women were more likely than cisgender males to have a longer version of a receptor gene (longer repetitions of the gene) for the sex hormone androgen, which reduced its effectiveness at binding testosterone. The androgen receptor (NR3C4) is activated by the binding of testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, where it plays a critical role in the forming of primary and secondary male sex characteristics. The research weakly suggests reduced androgen and androgen signaling contributes to trans women's identity. The authors say that a decrease in testosterone levels in the brain during development might prevent complete masculinization of trans women's brains, thereby causing a more feminized brain and a female gender identity.
  
• A variant genotype for the CYP17 gene, which acts on the sex hormones pregnenolone and progesterone, has been found to be linked to transsexuality in trans men but not in trans women. Most notably, transmasculine subjects not only had the variant genotype more frequently, but had an allele distribution equivalent to cisgender male controls, unlike the cisgender female controls. The paper concluded that the loss of a female-specific CYP17 T -34C allele distribution pattern is associated with transmasculinity.
  
• Gender incongruence among twins
  
• In 2013, a twin study combined a survey of pairs of twins where one or both had undergone, or had plans and medical approval to undergo, gender transition, with a literature review of published reports of transgender twins. The study found that one third of identical twin pairs in the sample were both transgender: 13 of 39 (33%) monozygotic or identical pairs of assigned males and 8 of 35 (22.8%) pairs of assigned females. Among dizygotic or genetically non-identical twin pairs, there was only 1 of 38 (2.6%) pairs where both twins were trans.[8] The significant percent of identical twin pairs in which both twins are trans and the virtual absence of dizygotic twins (raised in the same family at the same time) in which both were trans would provide evidence that transgender identity is significantly influenced by genetics if both sets were raised in different families.
  
• Brain structure
  
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• TRUTH#1:  Transgenderism is not an ideology, it is not a poltical point of view.  Not all transgender people  even view transgenderism as healthy or normal.  You commit the basic fallacy of overgeneralization by assuming that all people who share one psychological trait must also share one political point of view. 
  
• THIS: " Ideology:  "a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual. The transgender movement is an ideology. So I did describe one. "  It is every bit as fucked up a prejudice to say that all transpeople share a set of beliefs as it is to say that all straight men share one set of beliefs
  
•  If you want to base your argument in truth you need to remove your biased and false prejudices from the original question.
  
• We started this conversation two weeks ago and you scampered.  Part of having a honest conversation is not running away from an argument you can't refute and then reposting your same prejudices elsewhere hoping you won't get refuted again.
  
• TRUTH#2: You need to stop lying about your own motivations. 
  
• Two week ago you claimed "the LGBT community and ideology is not healthy for society, and must be eradicated."
  
• Today it is:  "I don't have a problem with the transgender people"
  
• Obviously, eradication is an existential threat.  I believe that you are a threat to me and to LGBTQ people everywhere.  When people threaten me like you did two weeks ago and then come back two weeks later "oh, no....I don't have a problem with the transgender people"  not only can I not believe you, my defense posture is raised even higher because you a threat trying to disguise yourself as a non-threat.
  
• TRUTH#3:  You need to stop lying about what biologists say about transgenderism.  Medical schools teach that the transmission of sex to embryos is complicated and not entirely understood.  Every time you say "LGBTQ is not scientific or biological"  you are lying and failing to face the facts as 21st century science has presented them to you.  Here is an excerpt from Scientific American (not a Christian website) article entitled, "Stop Using Phony Science to Justify Transphobia"
  
• Contrary to popular belief, scientific research helps us better understand the unique and real transgender experience. Specifically, through three subjects: (1) genetics, (2) neurobiology and (3) endocrinology. So, hold onto your parts, whatever they may be. It’s time for “the talk.”
  
• Nearly everyone in middle school biology learned that if you’ve got XX chromosomes, you’re a female; if you’ve got XY, you’re a male. This tired simplification is great for teaching the importance of chromosomes but betrays the true nature of biological sex. The popular belief that your sex arises only from your chromosomal makeup is wrong. The truth is, your biological sex isn’t carved in stone, but a living system with the potential for change.
  
• Why? Because biological sex is far more complicated than XX or XY (or XXY, or just X). XX individuals could present with male gonads. XY individuals can have ovaries. How? Through a set of complex genetic signals that, in the course of a human’s development, begins with a small group of cells called the bipotential primordium and a gene called SRY.
  
• A newly fertilized embryo initially develops without any indication of its sex. At around five weeks, a group of cells clump together to form the bipotential primordium. These cells are neither male nor female but have the potential to turn into testes, ovaries or neither. After the primordium forms, SRY—a gene on the Y chromosome discovered in 1990, thanks to the participation of intersex XX males and XY females—might be activated.*
  
• Though it is still not fully understood, we know SRY plays a role in pushing the primordium toward male gonads. But SRY is not a simple on/off switch, it’s a precisely timed start signal, the first chord of the “male gonad” symphony. A group of cells (instrument sections) must all express SRY (notes of the chord), at the right time (conductor?). Without that first chord, the embryo will play a different symphony: female gonads, or something in between.
  
• And there’s more! While brief and coordinated SRY-activation initiates the process of male-sex differentiation, genes like DMRT1 and FOXL2 maintain certain sexual characteristics during adulthood. If these genes stop functioning, gonads can change and exhibit characteristics of the opposite sex. Without these players constantly active, certain components of your biological sex can change.
  
• There’s still more! SRY, DMRT1, and FOXL2 aren’t directly involved with other aspects of biological sex. Secondary sex characteristics—penis, vagina, appearance, behavior—arise later, from hormones, environment, experience, and genes interacting. To explore this, we move from the body to the brain, where biology becomes behavior.
  
• When the biology gets too complicated, some point to differences between brains of males and females as proof of the sexual binary. But a half century of empirical research has repeatedly challenged the idea that brain biology is simply XY = male brain or XX = female brain. In other words, there is no such thing as “the male brain” or “the female brain.” This is not to say that there are no observable differences. Certain brain characteristics can be sexually dimorphic: observable average differences across males and females. But like biological sex, pointing to “brain sex” as the explanation for these differences is wrong and hinders scientific research.
  
• Let’s just take the most famous example of sexual dimorphism in the brain: the sexually dimorphic nucleus of the preoptic area (sdnPOA). This tiny brain area with a disproportionately sized name is slightly larger in males than in females. But it’s unclear if that size difference indicates distinctly wired sdnPOAs in males versus females, or if—as with the bipotential primordium—the same wiring is functionally weighted toward opposite ends of a spectrum. Throw in the observation that the sdnPOA in gay men is closer to that of straight females than straight males, and the idea of “the male brain” falls apart.
  
• Trying to link sex, sex chromosomes and sexual dimorphism is also useless for understanding other brain properties. The hormone vasopressin is dimorphic but is linked to both behavioral differences and similarities across sex. Simply put, the idea of a sexual binary isn’t scientifically useful, and nowhere is this more obvious than in the brain. It also happens that transgender people have the brains to prove it.
  
• It’s easy to see sexual dimorphisms and conclude that the brain is binary; easy, but wrong. Thanks to the participation of trans people in research, we have expanded our understanding of how brain structure, sex and gender interact. For some properties like brain volume and connectivity, trans people possessed values in between those typical of cisgender males and females, both before and after transitioning. Another study found that for certain brain regions, trans individuals appeared similar to cis-individuals with the same gender identity. In that same study, researchers found specific areas of the brain where trans people seemed closer to those with the same assigned sex at birth. Other researchers discovered that trans people have unique structural differences from cis-individuals.
  
• As if the brain and body weren’t complicated enough, another biological factor influences the expression of biological sex in an individual: hormones. Anyone who has gone through puberty has felt the power of hormones firsthand. But like all things biology, hormones cannot be limited to the pubescent idea of “estrogen = female and testosterone = male.”
  
• For one thing, all humans possess levels of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone with sex differences not as prominent as is popularly thought. During infancy and prepubescence, these hormones sit in a bipotential range, with no marked sex differences. Through puberty, certain sex hormones like estrogen, progesterone and testosterone become weighted toward one end of a spectrum. But in developed adults, estrogen and progesterone levels are on average similar between males and nonpregnant females. And while testosterone exhibits the largest difference between adult males and females, heritability studies have found that genetics (X vs. Y) only explains about 56 percent of an individual’s testosterone, suggesting many other influences on hormones. Furthermore, measurements of sex hormones levels in any one individual wildly vary across the range of “average” values regardless of how close or spread apart you take the measurements. The binary sex model not only insufficiently predicts the presence of hormones but is useless in describing factors that influence them.
  
• Environmental, social and behavioral factors also influence hormones in both males and females, complicating the idea that hormones determine sex. Progesterone changes in response to typically male-coded social situations that involve dominance and competition. Estrogen, typically linked to feminine-coded behavior, also plays a role in masculine-coded dominance/power social scenarios. Though testosterone levels are different between males and females on average, many external factors can change these levels, such as whether or not a person is raising a child. Differing testosterone levels in both men and women can predict certain parenting behaviors. Even the content of a sexual fantasy can change testosterone levels. The fact is, behavior and environment—like cultural gender norms and expectations—influence sex-related hormones, and the biology of the body and brain itself.
  

• How about every time you put words into my mouth, I get to call it rape?  I am saying that there's no evidence that Musk's son was attacked and good reason to asume Musk was merely lying.
  

• False mentally ill extremism.   Belief is irrelevent and there are as many possible beliefs as stories you could make up about why a dude is sitting in his car.  The only fact and quite obvious to every honest man is that the video Musk claims is documenting an attack does not suggest an attack in any way- its just an unidentified man sitting in his car.
  

I think your claim was about a bunch of white people as you call them, not a specific one who happens to be a zionist non Jew.

• I was talking about all that corrupt big government intrusion that you support into Florida's schools and libraries.

• You mean like "there are only two possible theories tht might explain a video of an unidentified stranger sitting in his car: 
  
• he is either attacking a two year old son or
  
• Musk staged an attack on his two year son.
  
• You constantly make definitive statement in your slavish pursuit to distort every truth.

• False and quite dim-witted.  Every one of those methodologies is a repitition of the truth, tested by consistency.

Because you're using the wrong sense organ

• The most honest thing you've ever said:  for you truth is play-doh you use to troll people.
  

• Well, then let's agree you have no business trying to represent a group of rational debaters.  By your own words, you are not qualified to assess the actions of your fellow debaters.
  

• I don't assert such a role but you do.
  

• I don't.  I let objective sources like Wikipedia set a standard for information/disinformation.
  

• Opposite of the truth.  I think the Musk should show the people all of Twitter's internal documents.  Musk controls which documents he wants you to read and selecting particular reporters to report his select info the way he wants you to believe.
  

• Pure crazy talk.  Look at that story about Liz Harris.  You literally defended the conspiracy theorist without having done any basic research.  You didn't know that her theory had been presented in many courts and venues,  you didn't know that she was claiming a conspiracy between MAGA Republicans, the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Sinoloa Drug Cartel.  All you knew is that she is a prominent part of QAnon and that kind of disinformation is your religion- so you believed her and supported her without any interest in the detail of her claim.  You only ever defend free speech when you know for a fact that speech is fucking with the truth.

If there ever is any coordinated effort to suppress certain truths under my system it would never happen, under yours organizations such as the WHO get to decide what information people have access to . 

• I believe in the honest expertise of most professionals and take their word in preference to people who lie for a living.  Yes, Fauci is more honest and informative than Joe Rogan.  Yes, Republican Secretaries of State are more honest and informative than the Mattress King.
  

This sounds like you are claiming that the government and the DNC never reached out to Twitter about content they wanted removed or with "warnings" about coming information just prior to the hunter Biden laptop leaks? 

• No it doesn't, liar.  I am disputing your claim that the Trump administration and DNC controlling free speech and accesss to information.  As your scumbag's  retreat to "reached out to Twitter" demonstrates you already know, Taibbi documents that the Trump adminstration and the Biden Campaign both frequently reached out to Twitter but no "control" was ever exerted by the government and the Biden administation had no power to exert.  Every decision made by Twitter was made free from government coercion, was openly declared and documented, and no secrets about that decision were withheld from the public.  

• Notice how far you've sprinted from your original claim of CONTROL.  A more honest and forthright debate topic would be "Twitter never violated  any user's First Ammendment Right, contrary to claims made by Elon Musk"
  
• If "reaching out" meant the same thing as control, Donald Trump would have been executed for treason as soon as the Mueller report documented 172 secret meetings between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign and the thousand of lies the Trump Campaign told covering up for those secret meetings.  There is no doubt that Putin reached out to Trump hundreds of times in the months just before Trump became Presdident, but because only massive piles of circumstantial evidence suggests that Trump did Putin's bidding while President (i.e. control).  
  
• Please apologize for weaseling "control" into "reaching out," you slimy worm, you.

• No and please go fuck yourself for trying to insert your lies in my mouth.  I'm saying there's no evidence that Musk's son was attacked- Musk's vid does not support the claim of attack and the fact that he was afraid to go to cops with his lie but not afraid to go to TMZ  is highly suspcious. In the absence of any evidence whatsover, I assume Musk is telling yet another of his many, many paranoid lies.
  

I mean, if you consider a bunch of Jews white. 

• Ron DeSantis is Jewish?  I did not know that.
  

There is always some non zero chance of something else other than what the most popular belief is, being true. 

• Nice excuse for the sin of knowingly bearing false witness whenever you think you can get away it.
  

Okay so how would you determine the Holocaust is true? You would repeat it? 

• Survivors' testimonies: Many Holocaust survivors have given first-hand accounts of their experiences during the genocide, including their imprisonment in concentration and extermination camps, the brutality of the Nazi regime, and the atrocities they witnessed.
  
• Nazi documentation: The Nazi regime kept meticulous records of their operations, including detailed records of the concentration and extermination camps, as well as other forms of documentation such as photographs and videos.
  
• Eyewitness accounts: Many non-Jewish people, including soldiers, civilians, and members of the resistance, witnessed the Holocaust firsthand and provided accounts of what they saw.
  
• Physical evidence: There is a significant amount of physical evidence that supports the occurrence of the Holocaust, including the concentration and extermination camps themselves, mass graves, and other sites of atrocities.
  
• Historical research: Historians have extensively researched the Holocaust, examining primary sources, conducting interviews, and analyzing other evidence to confirm its occurrence.
  

I have never had an ability to sense truth.

• Because you're using the wrong sense organ.
  

• Another lie you put in my mouth.  I've never said such a thing.
  

• Another falsehood.  I certainly defend more free speech than you do.  You only defend free speech that corrupts.
  

There is no amount of things surrounding what was released that would justify the DNC and the government trying to control speech and access to information. 

• But as Matt Taibbi's Twitter Files explained to you and your corrupt heart failed to comprehend:  there is no truth to your false filthy lie.
  
• That is the real reason Musk is ejecting Taibbi:  he refused to tell you the lie Musk wanted you to hear.

• I guess you haven't researched this story or you would know that John Thaler has been publicizing this claim for many years.  He presented it to former Gov. Ducey, he presented it in his divorce proceedings against his wife (who he claims it at the center of the conspiracy) and mother-in-law.  He has also sued two different Mesa County officials and presented his claims there.   A Federal Judge ruled that  Thaler's was "delusional and fantastical narrative."  
  
• Breger was permitted to speak for 41 minutes.  When lawmakers begged her for a a single scrap of evidence to support her claim, she referred to her boyfriend's yet-to-be-published book.  You can't just say you have evidence that the Church of Latter Day Saints is working in sync with Sinoloa Crime cartel but you'll have to buy my book to find out what the evidence is.  That's a pretty obvious scam.
  
• Let's notice that Liz Harris is a major figure within QAnon- Ron Watkins, the guy who has confessed to running QAnon and Stormfront out of the Phillipines for much of Trump's administration, lives in Harris' house.

• Total lie.   Please explain what is compelling you to invent this lie about Republicans  
  

• Obviously irrational.   It is entirely plausible to suppose that some Arizona officials have taken drug money over the years.  It is not plausible to suppose that anybody who disagrees with Thaler that his ex-wife should go to jail suddenly becomes another bribe taker.

• Those who get their news from Chinese brain control apps deserve their enslavement.

The numbers I have seen recently shows

• numbers found on Twitter, so they must be true.

• That false rumor was started by Billy Marks, CEO of DogeCoin on Nov 7th and Elon Musk.  Are you only getting your information from Elon?
  
• Marks and Musk are together facing a racketeering lawsuit claiming $258 in losses when they crashed that DogeCoin pyramid scheme.

A member of the antifa organization tried to attack his child. I think it's suitable for him to protect his child from lunatics.

• Again, Elon Musk is the ONLY source that back this claim.  Here is Musk's LOL video of the "attack on his son."
  
• Strange that Musk never reported the attack to police and never filed a report.  He did contact TMZ.
  

I haven't seen this occur and if so I wonxer what they actually said prior to bans. Company secrets etc.

• "I don't want to sacrifice my mental health just to make the richest man in the world richer."

Maybe not personal vendettas but I would consider banning based on political speech you disagree with is worse than doing it for a personal vendetta.

• We both know that's a lie. You have zero problem with removing black speech from Florida schools, advocating big goverment intervention in local schools because and only because that big government is white and male and the teacher and librarians (who we both know are a thousand times better at teaching childen than QAnon whack jobs).  Try your lazy amoral bullshit on someone who knows you less well.
  

If I lose the IQ test I will kill myself for being stupider than you

• Musk banned a long list of reputible reporters for printing the truth about him.  Matt Taibbi is ony the latest reporter to walk away from Twitter.
  
• Musk bans users who track his private jet using publicly accessible data but not any users who track other people's jets.
  
• Musk has banned many disgruntled former Twitter employees without cause.
  
• Say what you what about former Twitter CEOs, they had a team in place to make sure that bans weren't strictly personal vendettas.  Musk bought Twitter precisely to control public opinion about him.  Musk doesn't care about opinion that misinform or harm children, etc, Musk only acts out of personal vanity.