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I'm about 2% of all posts but I added up the top 30 contributors and that group makes up 60.6% of all posts. Supa's closer to 5% than 4%
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@Wylted
@oromagiI argued that the problem came from the greed of the rich, which Wylted defends because some of those rich bribed some govt officials, ergo only govt. is to blame, I guessI don't know where you get that. I don't let either off the hook.
I get it from the fact that you insisted last summer that government policy must change but had no such ultimatum for corporations in terms of pay increase or disease mitigation.
You just see politicians as benevolent and you have a bias for believing their benevolence if they say they are a Democrat and pander to your political views.
You seem to assume that all government is made up of politicians when the opposite is true. The overwhelming majority of most civil servants are not politicians and I allot that crowd about the same level of assumption of good intention as folk who don't work for government. I am undeniably biased in favor of patriotism and consistent, rational governance which yes, unfortunately excludes the Republican Party from any advantage to my mind.
Which is why you claim Donald Trump is a Russian spy and insult other Republicans and let democrats off the hook.
- That's not bias, that's just free thinking. When more than 70 of your people are found to be having undocumented relations with Russian agenst, when you find out that your best friend, your campaign manager, and your top spy were all secret foreign agents and do nothing about it, when Russia funnels you tens of millions of dollars and makes hundred million dollar loans available to you, when British and Israeli intelligence are convinced you are a Russian agent, then you are probably a Russian agent.
- I consider Republicans objectively more corrupt than Democrats but would not let Democrats off the hook for corruption.
So yes if you are defending politicians I am going to point out they are corrupt.
- The government is not "politicians" Not all politicians are corrupt, far fewer government officials are corrupt.
And yes your policies do harm black people and you are only speaking of mitigating those harms so you can protect rich whites. The school lunch program for example is not in every school district, so it is really only a mitigation of the harm the responses to a pandemic causes and not an entire elimination of the harm of the response.
So, you concede that you lied when you said school lunch programs were closed down by the pandemic.
And you also miss the point about shutting down places with shifty food in food deserts. The response to not having access to any food is far worse than having just terrible food. Clearly good food is better, but it seems you would rather poor people starve and die than eat at McDonald's.
No, you are the one is not reading me clearly enough. The government doesn't owe you access to a hamburger any more than the government owes you access to a cigarette. They're both carcinogenic shit that responsible public policy shares zero interest in recommending or endorsing as necessary. No responsible government would force fast workers into a high risk, high mortality situation on the basis of the necessity of making a McDonald's hamburger available as an essential service. For the 13% who live in food deserts, the govt has many alternatives but McDonald's is never one of them. Yours is a child's political position, a child too lazy or too addicted to fast food to switch to self-sufficient and responsible food alternatives during a crisis. 100% on you, man.
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@oromagiI do not disagree that IQ is a valid metric of something, just not intelligence.Do you see any issue with the data I provided?
I wasn't going to bring it up but your data is no good
- WwSHDHN.png (602×140) (imgur.com)
- You claim that this is a snapshot from a Scientific American book but that particular data set has a much longer history. I assume the article to which you refer is a reprint of Gottfredson's The General Intelligence Factor in which your table is reprinted. Gottfredson is best known for leading the tepid scientific defense of Herrnstein and Murray's The Bell Curve (in which this table is also reprinted).
- Let's note that the Southern Poverty Law Center defines Gottfredson as a promoter of eugenicism, scientific racism, and white nationalism.
- Gottfredson has taken more than a quarter million dollars in grants from the White Supremacist Pioneer Fund to advance eugenics research.
- The table also appears in "The Bell Curve"
- Ultimately, this data comes from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth 1979 which began in 1979 with 12,686 men and women born in 1957-64 (ages 14–22). Members were interviewed annually from '79 to '94 but this table was published in '94 so this data cover outcomes over a 14 year period. Oversamples of military and poor white respondents were dropped after these stats were generated.
- For these statistics, only white non-Hispanic respondents were included.
- Only a few of the people in the sample took IQ tests in high school. Of these, a median correlation of .81 was inferred between IQ tests and Armed Services Vocational Aptitude test. That is, in spite of your claim, that top number is not IQ but an estimated IQ inferred from the ASVA.
- Your claim, " there is a researched table that shows the percentage of undesirable life outcomes occurring, relative to the IQ of the person" is false.
- This is a highly abridged table, showing selected results from a table intended to show that intelligence is a better predictor of individual outcomes over 14 years than socio-economic status. Obviously, using the Armed Services test as means of quantifying intelligence introduces significant bias (nobody's looking at musical aptitude or sense of humor in an Armed Services aptitude test) and confining data to non-Hispanic whites obviously distorts the assessment of socio-economic status.
- The data is so old fashioned that to qualify as middle class you had to have a high school diploma, never been incarcerated, remain married to first wife and never give birth to a child out of wedlock. Better than 40% of modern women have children out of wedlock but Herrnstein and Murray throw all of these women into the failed end of socio-economic outcomes.
- Super old fashioned, kind of racist, and not using IQ.
- You claim that "Schmidt and Hunter (1990) examined the correlation between job performance and IQ" but that is false.
- But Hunter and Schmidt explain, "The hypothesis was tested that the standard deviation of employee output as a percentage of mean
output increases as a function of the complexity level of the job." The paper broadly found that as a job grew more complex, a wider variety of output was delivered by employees. Nothing about intelligence or IQ at all. In fact, a quick search for terms "IQ" "Intel" and "Quotient" all came up zero.
- The table you snapshot and the data you describe are not in the paper you linked to.
- You claim that Huffcutt & Arthur found that IQ was the best predictor of job performance but that is false.
- Huffcutt & Arthur found that Hunter & Hunter (1984) had totally under-represented the value of the job interview and went on to conclude, "highly structured interviews provide essentially the same validity as ability tests"
- The paper concluded the opposite of what you claimed it concluded.
- Huffcutt & Arthur did not specify Intelligence as the ability tested, nor IQ as the test of Intelligence.
- You claim "with education, occupation and income levels, IQ consistently produced the best correlation."
- We should note that more than a hundred different types of intelligence tests were used- which raises plenty of questions regarding the correlations between one kind of intelligence test and the next.
- This data claims that neither intelligence nor socio-economic index correlates very strongly to income.
- I would think socio-economic status would correlate with income far more than claimed here.
- You claim "this heuristic guess correlates very well with IQ"
- but, in fact, Dennison only reported "weakly correlated with objective intelligence"
- As you say, this study reduces the value of perceived intelligence because shy people's intelligence is consistently undervalued in the first few meeting and talkative people's intelligence is consistently overvalued in the first few meetings. This weakens further Denisson's "weak correlation"
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@fauxlaw
-->@Double_RDr Fauci: "I am Science."
citation please
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@Double_R
Is there anyone on this site who can explain the rationale here?
I don't see any indication of a rationale or a consistent application of principle. Republicans believe that government should be small when collecting taxes or regulating the fossil fuel industry or for emergency assistance but they also believe that government should be big when it comes to military spending, or teaching about racism in school, or when women want to end their pregnancies, or when gays want to get married, or when local governments want to regulate guns, or telling transgender schoolchildren which teams they may or may not play on.
Nixon, Reagan-Bush, Bush, and Trump all grew the size of government substantially during their terms of office. There were 500,000 fewer govt employees when Clinton left office. Obama shrank the ratio of government employees to citizens by 2.7% Democrats are the party of rational downsizing of government for the sake of improved efficiency. We've done it, we've proved it. Republicans are the party of saying one thing but doing something altogether different.
What could be bigger government than lying to the US about the cause and purpose of the Iraq War, spending trillions without accountability or much oversight? What could be bigger government than Jan 6th? Trump, as the Federal Chief Executive sends an armed mob to interrupt and try to terminate the States' right to determine who sits in the Chief Executive's chair? Republicans don't have a problem with big govt. Ultimately, Republicans are against mask wearing because Trump was against mask wearing because masks smeared his carefully applied face makeup. That's bad big government in a nutshell- a whole mob of blind followers who don't even consider self-interest, just believe what they are told to believe, even when the cause is the most cosmetic reason possible.
Looking at Cliven Bundy- his entire business model as a rancher depended on taxpayer funding and maintenance of federal grazing lands but when it came paying the taxes and fees he owes us for all that rangeland we made safe and profitable for him, Bundy goes to war. Republicans are all for imminent domain when it means seizing Native American reservation land to support an oil pipeline but then contract out the power grid in Texas and fail to care when that system implodes. Once Republicans get theirs, they're out. Republicans 100% need and expect big government to deliver on their priorities but then use fear of big government to cheap out on benefits for the majority of Americans.
It's just an argument of convenience, Republicans gave up on principles years ago.
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@Wylted
@oromagiI pointed out how those policies harmed poor people who black people disproportionately make up. You agreed the poor were more affected and still don't apologize for the policies you pushed.
Because I blame the rich for the infliction of those harms and not myself.
Just admit you hate black people.
So, instead of making a reasoned response you're just going to play your provocation game?
Sure employers are to blame for their stupidity, but they paid politicians to hand them money and use the pandemic as an excuse. Politicians giving free money knew what they were doing by not attaching strings to it.
Since when are the bribers less accountable for corruption than the bribed? The employers were not stupid, they were corrupt and they were greedy during a national crisis. A big portion of the upper class took corrupt, anti-American advantage of that crisis. We can agree that the Trump administration was destructively corrupt and greedy.
Listen you hate blacks. I'm not judging you, but it is absolutely true. You told me before you prioritize the lives of senior citizens already on their death bed over black children. You are a racist.
false. Wylted's makes of habit of such deceit. Any arguments or....
You probably also support abortions that kill 50% of black people before they are even born, or support minimum wage increases that only harm blacks.
No? No counter-arguments of any kind?
It's clear you are a racist who actually supports policies that harm blacks while hypocritically chastising me for racist jokes that in fact have zero negative effects on blacks.
Ok, thx.
- I argued that Wylted had his facts wrong about child abuse. There is no science saying that opening schools and increasing disease prevalence in the community last autumn would have decreased parent stress or child abuse.
- Wylted seems to have conceded this point.
- I argued that Wylted totally lied when he argued that school lunch programs got shut down during the pandemic. Total falsehood and now Wylted has nothing to say about that lie.
- I argued that making more poor people sicker for the middle-class's convenience was obviously not the moral or practical solution. Wylted countered that I hate black people. Non-sequitur, at best.
- I argued that Wylted's plan was to increase harm to the poor by increasing risk of exposure.
- I argued that the problem came from the greed of the rich, which Wylted defends because some of those rich bribed some govt officials, ergo only govt. is to blame, I guess?
- I argued that Wylted's history and policy suggest that his true agenda is to maximize harm to black people. Wylted counters that I hate black people. I'm rubber, he's glue I suppose.
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@Wylted
@oromagiin-and-out burger's health insurance plan is as low-grade as Obamacare will allow. That is, a bunch of employees probably lost more money than they made working for In-and-Out before they got laid off because In-and-Out was then so totally overstaffed after people got home from the hospital and the quarantines ended.In and out burger is pretty much a model for how all fast food chains should be. Many of their store level managers make 6 figures.
RIght, but you understand those are employers, not employees. Those are the ones doing the laying off. In fact, you start of at part-time at and average national pay of $12.28/hr. 20 hours/week is about on bar with the national poverty level. One can just get by at first but most can probably work their way up to a full time job for $24,000 or better in a year or two but it's not really a job to support a spouse or family on.
They only promote from within and I'm certain based on their record their employee health insurance plans are incredible.
Well, part-time only gets you dental and vision and most of these employees were just starting part-timers. I agree that In-and-Out has better benefits than almost any other fast-chain, but that's an artifact of California's higher demand. And in any case, we have every reason to suppose the majority of people who got sick for In-and-Out burger lost more money than they earned during their brief employment. I see nothing to indicate that In-and-Out helped out those employees financially although I'd agree their history suggest Corporate might have done some of that.
I also Don't think you realize how hard food is to acquire in some areas. Sure if there are 2 grocery stores near by, than a fast food joint is not essential.
My point is that fast food in not only never essential it's not even healthy or beneficial. Nutritionally speaking, there's almost nothing you can eat at a fast-food restaurant that's nutritionally superior to eating nothing at all. The US Dept. of Agriculture estimates that there are about 24 million Americans roughly 14% who live in FOOD DESERTS which is defined as living more than one mile from a healthful food provider in urban or suburban areas and more than 10 miles from a healthful food provider in rural areas. A healthful food provider must sell a variety of fresh food, including fruits and vegetables. No fast food chains ever qualify as a healthful food provide because they are not just not-nutritional but generally anti-nutritional- doing more harm to your body than good.
Some poor people only have their feet. They need to go whatever place is near by to get food for the day. Maybe that is Wendy's or burger King.
Wendy's or Burger King is not food in the Dept of Agriculture sense of actually giving your body nutrition. No people, including poor people, enjoy any benefit from Wendy's or Burger King's that healthy government policy is willing to recognize.
Unfortunately in some cases that is a dollar general which profits from charging poor people absurd prices for food.
Dollar stores are likewise never treated as a source of human nutrition by the US Govt.
Not everyone has access to food as well as you well off white people do. I also notice how fast food is brought up here. Poor people food and places the middle class eat food like Applebee's or chilis is being ignored. The specific focus on fast food. So why is fast foods all the examples and not casual eating places? Is it because you just want to shit on poor people some more?
I have no trouble including Applebee's or Chili's as low-paying employers who provide no nutritional advantage and in fact, inflict a negative net nutritional value to their communities. No Chili's ever diminished the size of a food desert. In times of pandemics, Chili's and Applebee's have a moral responsibility as employers to help shield their employees from any unacceptable risks of harm or if risk is deemed acceptable, increase benefits substantially to reflect the increased burdens placed on the job. Chili's and Applebee's owners and managers should work hard to find ways to maximize the number of employees who are kept on the payroll during a national crisis , even paying people to stay home. Those stores have a moral responsibility to the community to share in the communities losses during economic downturns.
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@RationalMadman
Thanks, if I read you right, you'rr not much of admirer of any kind of rigid numbering method.
I'm disappointed that you don't think I flex my eloquence, since I consider eloquence my top priority here on this site. I assure you, my lack of eloquence is not for lack of maximum effort on my part to achieve that particular benchmark.
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I have tried a bunch of different ways of maintaining some kind of consistent internal reference method for arguments and I've never been really satisfied by any method I've experimented with. I wonder if there's some excellent standard debaters have seen here or particularly on other sites with big advantage in clarity or style?
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@Wylted
Kids staying home from school.meant increased exposure to abusive parents. Many kids suffered more abuse than ever before because of the covid19 guidelines.
This is false. In fact, the first weeks of school closure made for dramatic dips in child abuse reports and child emergency room visits. Over time, abuse indicators increased as more parents experienced more frustration from job loss, home childcare, pandemic stress. If it was just staying home from school, we would have seen an immediate spike. The abuse increased because of increased stress but you fail to consider how family members getting sick, bringing the virus home from school, hospitalizations, etc also increase stress significantly. There is no science saying that opening schools and increasing disease prevalence in the community would decrease parent stress or child abuse. Parents abuse children, not CDC guidelines.
Many kids did not have a place to go eat, because of these restrictions. School breakfast and lunch is how they kept from starving.
Total lie. Almost all school cafeterias remained open to support breakfast and lunch programs. If the cafeteria couldn't handle social distancing, then brown bag take outs were made available. The USDA delivered meals to the homes of children who normally bussed or lived at distance. A massive national effort was made
to keep those children well-fed throughout the pandemic and you just blithely assume those programs stopped without a single google.
Poor people, couldn't go to work. People who cannot afford to miss work couldn't go and it hurt them and their family. Thankfully people on unemployment were and have been getting well paid for a while, but it doesn't help those who didn't qualify or who didn't know they could qualify.
But making more poor people sicker for the middle-class's convenience was obviously not the moral or practical solution. Employers worked hard to make sure middle class office workers were able to continue working, but failed to do the same work for more menial employment. Yes, it would meant a lot of retraining and a lot of paying people just to wait out the pandemic from home but trillions of dollars were made available by Fed and State govts to employers to do exactly that. Many, even most employers pocketed the money, laid off the employees anyway and then howled bitterly when those employees weren't just waiting around to re-apply six months later.
These lockouts disproportionately harmed the poor
Unquestionably, but your nasty plan was to increase harm to the poor by maximizing the underclass's exposure to the disease. The people did their part by staying home, the government did its part by creating programs that encouraged employers to keep employees on the payroll while not working, the employers let America down by taking the cash and laying off employees anyway. Theoretically, with work at a standstill, every class should have taken a hit but that's not how it worked out. The poor got much poorer, the middle class stayed steady, and the rich got much, much, richer. You should place the blame where the blame is due.
I am honestly sick of hearing the complete disregard for poor people. You want to protect people from a slightly more deadly version of the flu, do so without killing poor people, harming poor people and without leading to more abuse of children.
Well, let recognize that you are never honestly anything about anything. Your antipathy towards the Black Americans who would be the most obviously harmed by your policies is well established. I have no reason not to assume that your true motivation by this policy was to maximize death and harm to Black Americans. That was certainly the motivation of the White Supremacists who generally inform your opinions. The first year of coronavirus was 17 times more lethal than an average flu year and would have been even more catastrophic if anybody listened to your misinformed and cruel public policy recommendations.
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@Vader
But certainly we'd agree that there's a wide chasm between keeping one's brain well occupied and employers' demanding work at substantially increased risk without substantially increased compensation.If it is fast food chains, yes they probably should. But also note that some of that worker population is teenagers who need to make quick cash for college and don't put in hard and long hours if they don't need too
quick cash for college should be a non-essential priority during a world-wide pandemic.
Nobody's saying that people shouldn't work. I am saying that exposing people to a fairly dangerous disease in an unacceptable risk to ask of people flipping burgers for minimum wage.If people are fully vaxxinated or have COVID antibodies, I don't see why you can't go back to work.
Hey, now, don't change the terms of the debate. Wylted and I were arguing about forcing people back to flipping burgers last summer, before the height of the pandemic even hit, when were trying to blunt that height. Post-vaccine is a totally different scenario because as you say, the risks are substantially back to normal.
If the middle class were not fairly well set up already to work from home we know the demand for increased exposure would have been universally unacceptable. It's a fact that it was the service industries, the low-paid underclass that Fox News wanted back at work and it's a fact that the middle class was missing its conveniences far more than making some principled appeal. If you wanted to argue that McDonald's could stay closed as non-essential work but that McDonald's employees should be given some safe work from home to keep their brains well-occupied as well as keep them on McDonald's payroll for the pandemic's duration, then I think you and I would find agreement.The problem with that is food is essential
I'd say that fast-food is never essential. I mean, it's hardly nutritional and it's not at all heathy, especially during a pandemeic. Fast food is more entertainment and low-grade salt and fat addiction more than anything.
and you need workers to prepare and cook food
Since when did the middle class acquire the right to have food prepared for them? It's a public emergency, fix your own fucking lunch.
Granted it doesn't have to be McDonalds, but the human body requires food from somewhere and some people don't have a natural gift of cooking,
Sorry, no. People's right to limit substantial and imminent risks far outweighs the sorrows of some one who never acquired basic cooking. Cooking is not a gift, its a chore like doing laundry and mowing the lawn. You don't have to have some gift to scramble an egg and boil some rice. And people don't deserve to be cooked for just because they never bothered to learn that work.
so you need chains like McDonalds to stay open so that monopolies don't form over one company entirely closing.
No you don't. McDonald's is not really food.
Those jobs are essential and you do need them,
No, you don't. It's like arguing that cigarettes are essential and people do need them.
but I'm sure you could negogiate with employees how they can be compensated. If it's COVID insurance or an increase in minimum wage to $12 federally (though were I live that is the minimum wage and higher) Also even so, in the middle pandemic, restaurants and fast food places were mostly take out and not dine in, so they'd have to be exposed by their workers, and to be honest that seems harder to do.
I don't think you're looking at the data. Fast food workers just doing drive-ins got hammered. The extreme case was here in Denver when in-and-out burgers opened 2 new locations on Dec 7th and by New Years, 160 employees got infected and had to quarantine. They literally had to re-hire pretty much their whole staff twice over in 3 weeks just to keep the stores open. No employees died but a lot of employees went to the hospital and I'm sure in-and-out burger's health insurance plan is as low-grade as Obamacare will allow. That is, a bunch of employees probably lost more money than they made working for In-and-Out before they got laid off because In-and-Out was then so totally overstaffed after people got home from the hospital and the quarantines ended.
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@Vader
Unironically I have the exact opposite take but for the same personal reasonsBoth of my grandma's suffered from Altzheimer's and my dad's uncle is also starting to suffer from it as well. I noticed that after retirement, there health started to go downhill and they started to form some more positive signs of dementia. When they stopped working, they started to forget. That's why I do believe that work is important because while it might not be the most fun thing, it's definitely a stimulant to keep our brain fresh. When I'm old, I hope I keep reading and such things so my brain is active as such
But certainly we'd agree that there's a wide chasm between keeping one's brain well occupied and employers' demanding work at substantially increased risk without substantially increased compensation? Nobody's saying that people shouldn't work. I am saying that exposing people to a fairly dangerous disease in an unacceptable risk to ask of people flipping burgers for minimum wage. If the middle class were not fairly well set up already to work from home we know the demand for increased exposure would have been universally unacceptable. It's a fact that it was the service industries, the low-paid underclass that Fox News wanted back at work and it's a fact that the middle class was missing its conveniences far more than making some principled appeal. If you wanted to argue that McDonald's could stay closed as non-essential work but that McDonald's employees should be given some safe work from home to keep their brains well-occupied as well as keep them on McDonald's payroll for the pandemic's duration, then I think you and I would find agreement. If McDonald's were likewise willing to increase the salary to reflect hazard pay....say, an extra $100/week or better, I think they'd find more willing employees. I don't think its people unwilling to work. I think its people pissed at employers who are unwilling to renegotiate after the terms of employment substantially changed.
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@oromagi
Quite honestly he is very entertaining.One takes such rhetoric as seriously as one want's to.And some people like to take it far more seriously than others do..... I would suggest that effectual sensitivity, is their problem, and not Wylted's.
We agree that Wylted need never be taken seriously but disagree regarding the entertainment value of his hate schtick. I'm having trouble parsing "effectual sensitivity"
- The quality or state of being sensitive;
Now there's lots of definitions of sensitive but I'm guessing you are shooting for disparagement here, so let's try
- (of a person) Easily offended, upset or hurt.Max is very sensitive; he cried today because of the bad news.
So you're saying "some people intend the result of easy offense."
meaning me, I suppose. I don't know.... I guess, after my Mom died from COVID and he was denying the disease's existence and demanding that minimum wagers get back to work, I caught myself feeling a little genuinely offended, a little bit under attack, maybe just on my Mother's behalf but I got over it. I wouldn't want Wylted to think he actually succeeds in ever offending anybody. I understand that discovering some offense sufficient to merit banning is Wylted's ultimate purpose here and knowing as much is enough to restrain me from wanting to participate much in his mission. I think he's kind of bipolar and working on some shit (which one of us isn't?). Which is not to say Wylted is totally harmless, even unfunny clownishness is quite capable of inflicting real harm as Trump's presidency has demonstrated, as the January Insurrection demonstrated. But generally, I deny that I feel much offense from Wylted. The only time I've ever been entirely offended by anybody on this site was Greyparrot's request for a safe space from any argument addressing him or his arguments. To my thinking, that's being too sensitive- tough enough to attack but too soft to defend seems awfully convenient. At least with Wylted, you can write an impassioned defense and not worry that he's going to cry to mods. More than anything else to me, he's just sort of easy to debate...Not even trying, really.
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@Aryanman
->@oromagihow is he a violent extremist?
Cops should be executed for abuses of power
I like Ted Kaczynski. He seemed to also be justified in his actions. It is at least hard for me to argue against his logic
We have a moral obligatin to murder politicians
I'd remove all foreign troops from overseas in every area, but keep my fingers on the button, just waiting for some idiot to mistake me for a weak leader due to disinterest in policing the world" That is how you do war. Not through proxy battles or drawn out affairs, but obliterate your opponent quickly
Actually january 6th was justified. What ifn8t is discovered beyond a reasonable doubt the election was stolen 10 years from now?
Will you apologize to the heroes who fight against the illuminati takeover?
What is wrong with russia owning the Ukraine?
American troops are traitors to the republic.
America would be better off without black people
Thinks he should commit suicide
COVID-19 is a hoax
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@Wylted
So you spend all day talking about how dangerous the vaccine then resent the shit out of the nurses who just want to make sure you're not having an allergic reaction. Boy, there really just is no satisfying some people.
And yes, if you are going to stick heroin in your arms you 100% need monitoring, that shit is tens of thousands of time more dangerous than a vaccine
According to the National Safety Council’s new report, a person born in 2017 has a greater chance of dying from an accidental opioid overdose—one in 96— than the one-in-103 odds of dying from a motor vehicle crash. This now makes opioid overdose, considered accidental, a Top 5 cause of death behind heart disease, cancer, chronic lower respiratory disease and suicide.
An unvaccinated American is about as likely to die from COVID as from a an opioid overdose. A vaccinated American is hundreds of times more likely to die from an opioid overdose than from COVID.
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@Wylted
I'm beginning to see how graphene oxide got associated with vaccines. There was some interesting research this spring that argued that if we knew what mucosal adjuvants extended immunity against the flu, then we could theoretically deliver a vaccine via the mucosal surfaces in the nose. That is, if they had a better flu vaccine, they think they've conceived of a nasal spray delivery that would avoid shots and therefore avoid a huge amount of vaccine hesitancy. In May, a group looked using GO nanoparticles (not sheets, as I supposed) as a superior delivery method for anti-viral drugs because of excellent binding ability while also distorting the spike proteins but also captured the virus in the air more effectively when used in personal virus protection like gloves and masks. There was also some interesting research about using such particles to act as a kind on/off switch on some cancer cells.
So there is some actual science looking at GO applications in virology but, so far, the research is mostly in the computer modeling stage with a few experiments on active viral cells. Still, there are no such vaccines in actual development, much less approval, much less actually injected into human arms.
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Updated Mar. 4, 2021
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If You Get a Rash Where You Got the Shot
CDC has learned of reports that some people have experienced a red, itchy, swollen, or painful rash where they got the shot. These rashes can start a few days to more than a week after the first shot and are sometimes quite large. These rashes are also known as “COVID arm.” If you experience “COVID arm” after getting the first shot, you should still get the second shot at the recommended interval if the vaccine you got needs a second shot. Tell your vaccination provider that you experienced a rash or “COVID arm” after the first shot. Your vaccination provider may recommend that you get the second shot in the opposite arm.
If the rash is itchy, you can take an antihistamine. If it is painful, you can take a pain medication like acetaminophen or a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID).
Safeguards Are in Place
CDC has provided recommendations for COVID-19 vaccination providers about how to prepare for the possibility of a severe allergic reaction:
- All people who get a COVID-19 vaccine should be monitored on site. People who have had severe allergic reactions or who have had any type of immediate allergic reaction to a vaccine or injectable therapy should be monitored for at least 30 minutes after getting the vaccine. All other people should be monitored for at least 15 minutes after getting the vaccine.
- Vaccination providers should have appropriate personnel, medications, and equipment—such as epinephrine, antihistamines, blood pressure monitor, and timing devices to check your pulse—at all COVID-19 vaccination provider sites.
- If you experience a severe allergic reaction after getting a COVID-19 vaccine, vaccination providers can provide care rapidly and call for emergency medical services. You should continue to be monitored in a medical facility for at least several hours.
Learn more about what to expect after getting vaccinated for COVID-19, including normal side effects and tips to reduce pain or discomfort.
CDC Is Monitoring Reports of Severe Allergic Reactions
If someone has a severe allergic reaction after getting vaccinated, their vaccination provider will send a report to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).external icon VAERS is a national system that collects reports from healthcare professionals, vaccine manufacturers, and the public about adverse events that happen after vaccination. Reports of adverse events that are unexpected, appear to happen more often than expected, or have unusual patterns are followed up with specific studies.
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COVID-19 Vaccine Reporting Systems
Updated Feb. 27, 2021
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines, and these vaccines have undergone the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe.
Results from these monitoring efforts are reassuring. While some people don’t have any side effects after getting a COVID-19 vaccine, many people will have mild side effects after COVID-19 vaccination, like pain or swelling at the injection site, a headache, chills, or fever. These reactions are normal and show the vaccine is working. A small number of people have had a severe allergic reaction (called “anaphylaxis”) after vaccination, but this is extremely rare and when it does happen, vaccination providers have medicines available that they can use to effectively and immediately treat the reaction. You will be asked to stay for 15–30 minutes after you get your vaccine so you can be observed and provided treatment in the rare case it is needed.
COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from getting sick. CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as possible.
Results from these monitoring efforts are reassuring. While some people don’t have any side effects after getting a COVID-19 vaccine, many people will have mild side effects after COVID-19 vaccination, like pain or swelling at the injection site, a headache, chills, or fever. These reactions are normal and show the vaccine is working. A small number of people have had a severe allergic reaction (called “anaphylaxis”) after vaccination, but this is extremely rare and when it does happen, vaccination providers have medicines available that they can use to effectively and immediately treat the reaction. You will be asked to stay for 15–30 minutes after you get your vaccine so you can be observed and provided treatment in the rare case it is needed.
COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from getting sick. CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as possible.
Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has granted Emergency Use Authorizations (EUA) for two COVID-19 vaccines which have been shown to be safe and effective as determined by data from the manufacturers and findings from large clinical trials. These data demonstrate that the known and potential benefits of this vaccine outweigh the known and potential harms of becoming infected with the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID 19).
Clinical Trials
Clinical trials are being conducted to evaluate additional COVID-19 vaccines in many thousands of study participants. These trials will generate scientific data and other information that will be used by FDA to determine vaccine safety and effectiveness. Clinical trials on all COVID-19 vaccine candidates are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by FDA in their June 2020 guidance document, Development and Licensure of Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19external icon. If FDA determines that a vaccine meets its safety and effectiveness standards, it can make these vaccines available for use in the United States by approval or through an EUA.
After FDA determines that a COVID-19 vaccine candidate is safe and effective, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a committee comprising medical and public health experts, reviews available data before making vaccine recommendations to CDC. Learn more about how CDC is making COVID-19 vaccine recommendations.
Vaccine Safety Monitoring
After a vaccine is authorized or approved for use, many vaccine safety monitoring systems watch for adverse events (possible side effects). This continued monitoring can pick up on adverse events that may not have been seen in clinical trials. If an unexpected adverse event is seen, experts quickly study it further to assess whether it is a true safety concern. Experts then decide whether changes are needed in U.S. vaccine recommendations. This monitoring is critical to help ensure that the benefits continue to outweigh the risks for people who receive vaccines.
FDA’s June 2020 guidance document also includes important recommendations for ongoing safety evaluation after any COVID-19 vaccine is made available in the United States.
CDC has expanded safety surveillance through new systems and additional information sources, as well as by scaling up existing safety monitoring systems.
Expanded Safety Monitoring Systems
The following systems and information sources add an additional layer of safety monitoring, giving CDC and FDA the ability to evaluate COVID-19 vaccine safety in real time and make sure COVID-19 vaccines are as safe as possible:
- CDC: V-safe — A new smartphone-based, after-vaccination health checker for people who receive COVID-19 vaccines. V-safe uses text messaging and web surveys from CDC to check in with vaccine recipients following COVID-19 vaccination. V-safe also provides second vaccine dose reminders if needed, and telephone follow up to anyone who reports medically significant (important) adverse events.
- CDC: National Healthcare Safety Network (NHSN) — An acute and long-term care facility monitoring system with reporting to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System or VAERS that will allow for determination of COVID-19 vaccine adverse event reporting rates.
- FDA: Other large insurer/payer databases — A system of administrative and claims-based data for surveillance and research.
Existing Safety Monitoring Systems
As people get vaccinated, CDC, FDA, and other federal partners will use the following existing, robust systems and data sources to conduct ongoing safety monitoring:
General public
- CDC and FDA: Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon — The national system that collects reports from healthcare professionals, vaccine manufacturers, and the public of adverse events that happen after vaccination; reports of adverse events that are unexpected, appear to happen more often than expected, or have unusual patterns are followed up with specific studies
- CDC: Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) — A network of nine integrated healthcare organizations across the United States that conducts active surveillance and research; the system is also used to help determine whether possible side effects identified using VAERS are actually related to vaccination
- CDC: Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) Project — A collaboration between CDC and 7 medical research centers to provide expert consultation on individual cases and conduct clinical research studies about vaccine safety
- FDA and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services: Medicare data — A claims-based system for active surveillance and research
- FDA: Biologics Effectiveness and Safety System (BEST)external icon — A system of electronic health record, administrative, and claims-based data for active surveillance and research
- FDA: Sentinel Initiativeexternal icon — A system of electronic health record, administrative, and claims-based data for active surveillance and research
Members of the military
- Department of Defense (DOD): DOD VAERS dataexternal icon — Adverse event reporting to VAERS for the DOD populations
- DOD: Vaccine Adverse Event Clinical System (VAECS)external icon — A system for case tracking and evaluation of adverse events following immunization in DOD and DOD-affiliated populations
- DOD: DOD Electronic Health Record and Defense Medical Surveillance Systemexternal icon — A system of electronic health record and administrative data for active surveillance and research
Veterans
- Department of Veterans Affairs (VA): VA Adverse Drug Event Reporting System (VA ADERS)external icon — A national reporting system for adverse events following receipt of drugs and immunizations
- VA Electronic Health Record and Active Surveillance System — A system of electronic health record and administrative data for active surveillance and research
Tribal nations
- Indian Health Service (IHS): IHS VAERS dataexternal icon — Spontaneous adverse event reporting to VAERS for populations served by IHS and Tribal facilities
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Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination
Updated July 21, 2021
Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines
Some people have no side effects. Many people have reported side effects that may affect their ability to do daily activities, but they should go away within a few days.
What You Need to Know
- COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
- Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.
- CDC recommends everyone 12 years and older get vaccinated as soon as possible to help protect against COVID-19 and the related, potentially severe complications that can occur.
- CDC, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and other federal agencies are monitoring the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
- Adverse events described on this page have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon.
- VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event following any vaccination.
- Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.
Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination are rare but may occur.
For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:
- Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
- Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 19, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
- To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 324 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
- To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 324 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
- CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After 12.8 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 100 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 12. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
- Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 19, 2021, VAERS has received 1,148 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 674 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
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Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination
Updated June 23, 2021
What You Need to Know
- More than 177 million people have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine in the United States, and CDC continues to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines for any health problems that happen after vaccination.
- Since April 2021, there have been more than a thousand reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) of cases of inflammation of the heart—called myocarditis and pericarditis—happening after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (i.e., Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna) in the United States.
- These reports are rare, given the hundreds of millions of vaccine doses administered, and have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, particularly in adolescents and young adults. View the latest information.
- CDC and its partners are actively monitoring these reports, by reviewing data and medical records, to learn more about what happened and to understand any relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.
- Most patients who received care responded well to treatment and rest and quickly felt better.
- Confirmed cases have occurred:
- Mostly in male adolescents and young adults age 16 years or older
- More often after getting the second dose than after the first dose of one of these two mRNA COVID-19 vaccines
- Typically within several days after COVID-19 vaccination
- Mostly in male adolescents and young adults age 16 years or older
- Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve. They should speak with their doctor about return to exercise or sports.
- CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older, given the risk of COVID-19 illness and related, possibly severe complications.
- Getting vaccinated is the best way to help protect yourself and your family from COVID-19.
- More information will be shared as it becomes available.
Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. In both cases, the body’s immune system causes inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditisexternal icon.
Should I Still Get Myself or My Child Vaccinated?
Yes. CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older, given the risk of COVID-19 illness and related, possibly severe complications, such as long-term health problems, hospitalization, and even death. If you or your child has already gotten the first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, it’s important to get the second dose unless a vaccination provider or your doctor tells you not to get it.
The known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis. Also, most patients with myocarditis and pericarditis who received care responded well to treatment and rest and quickly felt better.
If you have concerns about COVID-19 vaccination, talk with your or your child’s doctor, nurse, or clinic.
What Myocarditis/Pericarditis Symptoms Should I Be on the Lookout for after mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination?
Be on the lookout for any of the following symptoms:
- Chest pain
- Shortness of breath
- Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
Seek medical care if you think you or your child have any of these symptoms within a week after COVID-19 vaccination.
If you have any health problems after vaccination, report them to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
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CDC Recommends Use of Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine Resume
Updated July 13, 2021
What You Need to Know
- CDC and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommend use of Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 Vaccine resume in the United States, after a temporary pause.
- Reports of adverse events following the use of J&J/Janssen vaccine suggest an increased risk of a rare adverse event called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS). Nearly all reports of this serious condition, which involves blood clots with low platelets, have been in adult women younger than 50 years old.
- A review of all available data at this time shows that the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine’s known and potential benefits outweigh its known and potential risks.
- However, women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event and that there are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
- CDC and FDA will continue to monitor the safety of all COVID-19 vaccines.
- Seek medical care right away if you develop any of the symptoms below after receiving the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.
- If you have any questions or concerns, call your doctor, nurse, or clinic.
J&J/Janssen Vaccine Questions and Answers
What if I got or want to get the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine?
Does CDC recommend vaccination with the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine resume?
What do we know about the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and possible health problems?
Why did the pause end?
What do I need to know about possible safety issues with all COVID-19 vaccines?
Has this issue been seen with the other COVID-19 vaccines?
If I’m currently using hormonal birth control (hormonal contraception), should I use a different type of birth control method or consider a different vaccine?
If I’m pregnant or recently pregnant, should I get a different COVID-19 vaccine?
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For Healthcare Workers
Review the revised Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providersexternal iconexternal icon), which has been revised to include a warning about the risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) that has occurred in a small number of people who have received the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.
Read the official CDC health alert, Cases of Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia after Receipt of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine, which includes details about how to assess and care for a patient that presents with thrombosis or thrombocytopenia.
Review the revised Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providersexternal iconexternal icon), which has been revised to include a warning about the risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) that has occurred in a small number of people who have received the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.
Read the official CDC health alert, Cases of Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia after Receipt of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine, which includes details about how to assess and care for a patient that presents with thrombosis or thrombocytopenia.
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For Vaccine Providers
You may resume use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.
Review the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers),external icon which has been revised to include a warning about the risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) that has occurred in a small number of people who have received the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.
You may resume use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.
Review the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers),external icon which has been revised to include a warning about the risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) that has occurred in a small number of people who have received the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.
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Okay, I got to the part about Cream of Hummingbird Soup and realized your source is trolling you. I went back to asking who is Henry Makow.
Henry Makow, PhD (1949–) is what you get when you cross a men's rights activist with paranoid conspiracy theorist. Makow believes the world is controlled by nefarious Judeo-Masonic/Satanic/Commie forces, spearheaded by the Rockefeller Foundation. He also believes that the aforementioned concocted feminism, so that women wouldn't have children, as part of depopulation efforts. His writings can be found on notorious websites Whale.to, Jesus-is-savior.com, and Alex Jones' PrisonPlanet.
So, this isn't just ordinary jew-hating hucksterism, it's also so obviously fake that its pretty much laughing at people who believe this shit.
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@Wylted
Want to see something neat?
Set your google search for any hits before July 1, 2021 and then search for your famous scientist Dr Mylo Canderian, PhD or Milo Iskanderianos..... Nothing. This guy didn't exist until he started spreading vax disinformation ten days ago. Same thing for US Patents held by a guy who claims, on his empty LinkedIn page that he created a few weeks ago, to be a "patent specialist."
More importantly, the US is a signatory to the 1972 Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction, wherein the US promises not to experiment with or manufacture biological weapons of any kind. Now, I know you will say that I'm naïve and that the US has all kind of covert bioweapons tech stored secretly at Area 51 or some such place but doesn't our common sense tell us that therefore, Dr. Mylo Canderian probably doesn't have any patents on Graphene Oxide hematological bioweapons as he claimed, because that would be an obvious violation of our treaty?
Therefore let's flush all of Dr Mylo Canderian's credentials down the toilet and assume we are getting our information from a mad liar.
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@Wylted
which article gives better premises, uses more scientific jargon and sounds more educational?
Well, I haven't even gotten into your article but even just superficially it is laughably, comically, pathetically false. Graphene oxide is listed by the FDA as not approved for human consumption because its made up of carbon molecules locked in lattices- 1 molecule thick- in other words, molecule wide razor blades of the strongest material known to man. The FDA lists the first side effect of consuming Graphene Oxide as "PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION" So, no, if scientists were injecting that shit into your body you'd be dead in minutes, not years. Big, Fat, Obvious, bullshit that any high school graduate should dismiss on sight.
To say that "Graphene Oxide (a 21st century human invention) is the component of Messenger RNA spike proteins and prion " is the silliest shit I've ever heard- you are claiming that scientists have created nano-cyborg viruses with carbon fiber armor plating. Why would you believe that? Why would you even repeat that?
And look, any time a thesis gives "freemasons" agency and motivation in the real world, it's time to hide your wallet.
Let's ignore which one is correct. Wh u is the CDC less informative than the quack?
It's not less informative because at least it tells the truth and no giant, ridiculous lies. You have failed to click on the thousands of scientific articles supporting the CDC's assertions but having spent a lot of time on that site, I assure you those links are there and I shall fetch a few for your lazy ass.
Shouldn't the organizations pushing for vaccines be providing arguments equally as good as their opponent's,
They do and a thousand times more sensible and comprehensive and tested and reviewed by serious people.
and if not why do they get upset if the anti vaxxers are listened to more?
Because anti-vaxxer are immune to science and reasoning. They only believe what they are told to believe and this week, Tucker Carlson has told them that it is still a badge of loyalty to that dishonored former president to refuse the vaccine. It is classic death cult shit but death cults usually implode once enough cult members start dying, we're just trying to figure out the turning point now.
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I don't know.... he's kind of making all the other right-wingers on this site look like a bunch of assholes for not correcting him or distancing themselves from his violent extremism. It's like running QAnon Shaman for Congress- every time Wylted starts a new forum the right loses a little bit more credibility. Generally speaking, Wylted's active participation is clearly moving the Overton window to the left within our little population. I certainly don't see any danger of him actually persuading anybody who did not already share his rancid values.
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Lockdown
And I couldn’t escape the waking dream
of infected fleas
in the warp and weft of soggy cloth
by the tailor’s hearth
in ye olde Eyam.
Then couldn’t un-see
the Boundary Stone,
that cock-eyed dice with its six dark holes,
thimbles brimming with vinegar wine
purging the plagued coins.
Which brought to mind the sorry story
of Emmott Syddall and Rowland Torre,
star-crossed lovers on either side
of the quarantine line
whose wordless courtship spanned the river
till she came no longer.
But slept again,
and dreamt this time
of the exiled yaksha sending word
to his lost wife on a passing cloud,
a cloud that followed an earthly map
of camel trails and cattle tracks,
streams like necklaces,
fan-tailed peacocks, painted elephants,
embroidered bedspreads
of meadows and hedges,
bamboo forests and snow-hatted peaks,
waterfalls, creeks,
the hieroglyphs of wide-winged cranes
and the glistening lotus flower after rain,
the air
hypnotically see-through, rare,
the journey a ponderous one at times, long and slow
but necessarily so.
-Simon Armitage
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Soliloquy XVI
Now calumnies arise, and black Reproach
Triumphant croaks aloud, and joyful claps
Her raven wing! Insinuations vile
And slanderous spring from pestilential breath,
And tongues thrice dipped in hell. Contagion foul
Steams from th’ infernal furnace, hot and fierce,
And spreads th’ infectious influence o’er his fame!
Then each unworthy, ignominious fool,
Each female basilisk with forky sting,
And outward-seeming, heart-unmeaning tear
(Offspring most loathsome of Hypocrisy,
The vile, detested, double-damning sin:
Confusion and perdition overwhelm
And blast them, execrable, into ruin!),
Chin-deep in malice shoot their bitter darts
Of mockery and derision: adding, sly,
Th’ invidious wink, the mean, contemptuous leer,
And flouting grin, ‘emphatically scornful’.
Nor less th’ insidious knave, supremely dull!
Mixture of monkey, crocodile and mole,
Yet stupid as the ostrich, ass and owl;
In high redundance of Typhonic rage,
With harsh stentorian tone, disdainful, flings
Unmerited reflections, vehement, long,
Nonsensical and noisy. Vain, he struts
With domineering insolence replete,
And, lordly, tramples on distress in anguish.
-Mary Latter
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One Art
The art of losing isn’t hard to master;
so many things seem filled with the intent
to be lost that their loss is no disaster.
Lose something every day. Accept the fluster
of lost door keys, the hour badly spent.
The art of losing isn’t hard to master.
Then practice losing farther, losing faster:
places, and names, and where it was you meant
to travel. None of these will bring disaster.
I lost my mother’s watch. And look! my last, or
next-to-last, of three loved houses went.
The art of losing isn’t hard to master.
I lost two cities, lovely ones. And, vaster,
some realms I owned, two rivers, a continent.
I miss them, but it wasn’t a disaster.
—Even losing you (the joking voice, a gesture
I love) I shan’t have lied. It’s evident
the art of losing’s not too hard to master
though it may look like (Write it!) like disaster.
-Elizabeth Bishop
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“wisdom comes to us when it can no longer do any good.”
― Gabriel García Márquez, Love in the Time of Cholera
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The Virus
Dubbed undetectable, I can’t kill
The people you touch, and I can’t
Blur your view
Of the pansies you’ve planted
Outside the window, meaning
I can’t kill the pansies, but I want to.
I want them dying, and I want
To do the killing. I want you
To heed that I’m still here
Just beneath your skin and in
Each organ
The way anger dwells in a man
Who studies the history of his nation.
If I can’t leave you
Dead, I’ll have
You vexed. Look. Look
Again: show me the color
Of your flowers now.
Jericho Brown
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A Litany in Time of Plague
Adieu, farewell, earth's bliss;
This world uncertain is;
Fond are life's lustful joys;
Death proves them all but toys;
None from his darts can fly;
I am sick, I must die.
Lord, have mercy on us!
Rich men, trust not in wealth,
Gold cannot buy you health;
Physic himself must fade.
All things to end are made,
The plague full swift goes by;
I am sick, I must die.
Lord, have mercy on us!
Beauty is but a flower
Which wrinkles will devour;
Brightness falls from the air;
Queens have died young and fair;
Dust hath closed Helen's eye.
I am sick, I must die.
Lord, have mercy on us!
Strength stoops unto the grave,
Worms feed on Hector brave;
Swords may not fight with fate,
Earth still holds open her gate.
"Come, come!" the bells do cry.
I am sick, I must die.
Lord, have mercy on us!
Wit with his wantonness
Tasteth death's bitterness;
Hell's executioner
Hath no ears for to hear
What vain art can reply.
I am sick, I must die.
Lord, have mercy on us!
Haste, therefore, each degree,
To welcome destiny;
Heaven is our heritage,
Earth but a player's stage;
Mount we unto the sky.
I am sick, I must die.
Lord, have mercy on us!
-Thomas Nashe
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'Twas such a manner of disease, 'twas such
Mortal miasma in Cecropian lands
Whilom reduced the plains to dead men's bones,
Unpeopled the highways, drained of citizens
The Athenian town. For coming from afar,
Rising in lands of Aegypt, traversing
Reaches of air and floating fields of foam,
At last on all Pandion's folk it swooped;
Whereat by troops unto disease and death
Were they o'er-given. At first, they'd bear about
A skull on fire with heat, and eyeballs twain
Red with suffusion of blank glare. Their throats,
Black on the inside, sweated oozy blood;
And the walled pathway of the voice of man
Was clogged with ulcers; and the very tongue,
The mind's interpreter, would trickle gore,
Weakened by torments, tardy, rough to touch.
Next when that Influence of bane had chocked,
Down through the throat, the breast, and streamed had
E'en into sullen heart of those sick folk,
Then, verily, all the fences of man's life
Began to topple. From the mouth the breath
Would roll a noisome stink, as stink to heaven
Rotting cadavers flung unburied out.
And, lo, thereafter, all the body's strength
And every power of mind would languish, now
In very doorway of destruction.
And anxious anguish and ululation (mixed
With many a groan) companioned alway
The intolerable torments. Night and day,
Recurrent spasms of vomiting would rack
Alway their thews and members, breaking down
With sheer exhaustion men already spent.
And yet on no one's body couldst thou mark
The skin with o'er-much heat to burn aglow,
But rather the body unto touch of hands
Would offer a warmish feeling, and thereby
Show red all over, with ulcers, so to say,
Inbranded, like the "sacred fires" o'erspread
Along the members. The inward parts of men,
In truth, would blaze unto the very bones;
A flame, like flame in furnaces, would blaze
Within the stomach. Nor couldst aught apply
Unto their members light enough and thin
For shift of aid- but coolness and a breeze
Ever and ever. Some would plunge those limbs
On fire with bane into the icy streams,
Hurling the body naked into the waves;
-Lucretius
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@Lunatic
Stop, Hammer time!
"Go with the flow", it is said
If you can't groove to this, then you probably are dead
So, wave your hands in the air
Bust a few moves
Run your fingers through your hair
This is it, for a winner
Dance to this and you're gonna get thinner
Now move, slide your rump
Just for a minute, let's all do the bump
(Bump, bump, bump)
Yeah
You can't touch this
Look, man
You can't touch this
You'll probably get hyped, boy, 'cause you know you can't
You can't touch this
Ring the bell, school's back in
Break it down!
Stop, Hammer time!
You can't touch this
You can't touch this
You can't touch this
Break it down!
Stop, Hammer time!
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The relevant portion starts at 01:21:00
We can see that Biden's leaning in to talk to Maria's father at 01:21:20 and this is what makes Maria step left.
(that's why the conspiracy theorists always go to close up there)
I think we are supposed to imagine a pinch as Biden's hand goes behind Maria's hair briefly.
We can see that 1:21:27 she is comfortably standing in front of Biden, smiling slightly
We can see by 1:21:51 Maria is seen happily high-fiving her cousin.
The facebook posts are obvious fakes. You can be 100% confident that the Senator's security team and GOP oppo researchers have investigated that tweet from January and if there had been any truth to it Senator Daines would have been the first to exploit it. Just the fact that some QAnon creep is suggesting that he discussed sex assault with a 14 year old girl online is horrible enough.
All that said, if you want to peruse the two hour C-SPAN tape there is plenty to criticize about Biden's handsyness and flirtatiousness with adult women- a very commonplace White Male manner from 20 and 30 years ago that really any politician should know *even in 2015 before #metoo) is no longer acceptable.
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@whiteflame
Hail Mary that leans more town to me than scum.My vote will remain where it is.
why town, tho? what worthwhile town suicides like that? He must have some kind of plan even if its a dumb one.
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@ILikePie5
Wylted just likes derailing lynches cause he’s selfish like that
drops chin to chest, saying softly:
" fuckin' wylted, man"
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@Wylted
That reminds me. Everyone should note that Earth thought his character was female (based on the name Junie, I suppose), which suggests no research. I think scum is far more likely to overlook research than town because scum already knows who's one what team . I think that's another pretty good scum tell.
But....what are the odds that scum team is the same as last game? Seems unlikely but not impossible.
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Why kill Wylted when
- He is clearly anti-town, and
- He clearly hopes we lynch him?
I think the fact that he invoked this ploy when Earth was at L-1 is informative. I think we lynch Earth and check out Wylted NP1 (while, of course, never treating him as town again)
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The Vampire is a role that begins as a powerless pro-Town Townie, but upon being eliminated or nightkilled (or possibly just the latter), becomes a full-fledged member of the Mafia instead of dying.
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a RESTLESS SPIRIT is allowed to VOTE after death but nothing else.
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drafterman's mafia roles spreadsheet now says it is deleted (I asked for view permissions a few days ago)
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@Wylted
@ILikePie5I want anyone who decides to hammer to let me explain myself at L1 before deciding. I will stay on
You just fake claimed to fake-broken-winged-mamabird your scumbuddy....what's to explain?
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