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@Death23
I guess the question is whether or not we'd be free to improve their biographies. Adventurous polymaths immediately spring to mind like Teddy Roosevelt or Peter the Great, but my desire to see ancient Rome would probably win out- Hadrian if I could improve on their choices or Marcus Aurelius if not. Ahhh.... Tivoli.
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Sorry I am busy taking pics of my niece and nephew with ornaments for heads.
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@Stephen
@oromagiWhat was the "Public order offence" she is alleged to have committed?
Gloucester is now on TIER 4 restrictions thanks to people like Ms. Hicks but assuming Ms. Hicks performed her little trespass sometime last week, she was under TIER 3 restrictions which required her to remain at home except for work and school. Ms. Hicks was not permitted to even go indoors at a friend or relative's house, much less invading closed medical facilities without basic hygiene. For much of the past year, the law has required all citizens to wear a mask at most public facilities under most circumstances, especially including hospitals and especially excluding fake pandemic news manufacturing soirees.
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Q. When is a member of the public not a member of a public.A. When they wear the special outfit and are given the appropriate badge.
So soldiers and firefighters and girl scouts and airline attendants and McDonald's cashiers are all not members of the public because they wear a special outfit and appropriate badge?
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"public order offence" in a public building?
By definition, most offences against public order take place in public. Disorderly behavior in private is both less restricted and less noticed by law enforcement.
Wandering around a hospital without a mask during this pandemic is and ought to be against the law. The risks of exposure are not just to the many sick patients with already compromised immune systems but also the healthcare providers- if a ward full of doctors and nurses must quarantine for 14 days (as has happened multiple times this year) that obviously translates into poorer healthcare across the board. At present, NHS SOUTHEAST reports 9, 813 hospital staff presently absent from work due to illness or quarantine. Yes, these workers and patients deserve to be protected from loony chicks foisting their their irrational political agendas on the unsuspecting.
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@Stephen
Of course, that is what hospitals look like during a pandemic.No they don't. Other hospitals are claiming to be so overwhelmed and bursting at the seems and short of beds that they are said to be begging other hospital to take patient from other counties.
They are overwhelmed and bursting at the seams. That is why large portions of many hospitals have been dark and quiet for much of the past year. I experienced this personally when my mother die this spring. A hospital I have known well for all my life and have visited hundreds of time seemed practically empty. All the buildings devoted to doctor's offices and therapy and research have stood empty this year along with the thousands of health professionals, patients, and employees who occupied those buildings. All the many entrances are closed and locked because all traffic is diverted to one secure entrance where only heathcare workers are permitted to pass. The big parking lots surrounding the campus are empty.
My mother would call me in the middle of night because her oxygen mask had fallen to the floor or her urine bag was overflowing and nobody had responded to the many pinging alarms for hours. It would usually take another hour or two just to get a nurse on the phone. My mother's pneumonia was cleared up within a few days at the hospital but she kept picking up new healthcare issues due to the overworked hospital system- firemen filling in for paramedics accidently separated her shoulder in transport, then she picked up a new bacterial infection in her blood when they tried to repair the shoulder, etc. Six weeks later she succumbed to a host of medical problems, most indirectly caused by the chaos of COVID.
I live in a hospital district with 3 large hospitals within 3 blocks of my house. For much of the past year, the massive parking garages have been empty. The hospital lobbies are closed and dark. One hospital has a tent set up out front which everybody must pass through before the can get into the hospital. Because of the proximity to hospitals, many of my neighbors are nurses who report that they've been working 60-70 hrs /week for months. Most of them have been sick with COVID at some point this past year. The sound of ambulances and helicopters rushing patients to these hospitals is shockingly constant and bears no resemblance to the prior 11 years I have lived near these emergency rooms.
The BMJ noted this phenomenon in Oct:
"The pandemic has seen a recurring assertion in mainstream and social media that hospitals are empty. The implication is that earlier concerns about hospitals being overwhelmed were exaggerated or that clinical staff are workshy, while managers are incompetent or complacent about patients without covid-19 awaiting treatment. But the current low, if steadily rising, numbers of inpatients with covid-191 don’t mean that hospitals are hibernating.
The DailyTelegraph reported recently that hospitals were “eerily quiet” and “literally half empty.” If you work in acute general hospitals it’s hard to read this stuff and not get upset. Members of the public then engage in frustration with doctors, asking us to explain or defend this fake news.
I can see how the impression of “emptiness” might take hold for people who set foot in a hospital. They’re not quite as full as they were before the pandemic, but there are valid reasons for this. For infection control and health protection purposes, we have very limited visiting. Some outpatient consultations have been moved to online or telephone. Lobby shops and cafes aren’t running as usual. Car parks have spaces. Physical appointments, tests, and procedures are organised differently, to avoid crowded waiting areas or patient-to-patient transmission. But hospitals are not “literally half empty,” however much this is repeated.
NHS Wales reported on 1 October that bed occupancy in general and acute beds was back at 87%.2 We’re still waiting for NHS England’s report for Q2 2020, but I’ve seen October data also showing rates of 87%. Attendances at type 1 emergency departments in September 2020 in England were around 13% lower and emergency admissions 9% lower than last year, but they’re growing monthly.3 With a second covid-19 surge now escalating and more infected patients attending or admitted once again—as well as a parallel push by NHS England for elective activity to catch up on a backlog of delayed work—teams around the country are noticing pressures on demand and bed capacity.
We’re now into the usual seasonal surge of acute admissions for a host of other problems, including non-covid infection. Intensive care staff are gearing up for another potential rapid increase in their bed base, with NHS England issuing discharge guidance and additional funding to help move medically optimised patients from scarce acute beds to community health and social care support.
I’m hearing many reports of hospital wards or bays having to close because of proven or suspected covid outbreaks, with pressure upstream in emergency departments and beds taken temporarily out of commission, which may then affect elective admissions for surgery and procedures. And escalation plans may again see hospitals organising front door streams and ward bases into “hot” and “cold” areas, to try to separate covid from non-covid patients.
The NHS entered the pandemic with one of the lowest numbers of acute beds per capita among developed nations4 and was already struggling to meet waiting time standards for emergency departments, surgery, or outpatients. Overcrowding will be disastrous for infection control, but modelling from Edge Health, reported in the Guardian, suggested that over 100 hospital trusts in England would be overwhelmed, at 10% over usual capacity, if a second pandemic surge compounded the usual rise in seasonal admission this winter.
Even the 90%-plus occupancy in general and acute beds pre-pandemic was too high for safe, flexible bed use, patient flow, and infection control, and it often left patients on trolleys in corridors or ambulances stacked outside. It’s surely not something to aspire to now. Nor do we want to return to large numbers of “stranded patients,” fit to leave but awaiting community services.
Finally, we must consider the impact on workforce availability when staff are sick, self-isolating, or awaiting covid-19 tests, in a system already struggling with unfilled posts. So no, hospitals are not “half empty,” and even when they’re less full than usual there are very good reasons."
You seem to have this perception that a maxed out hospital would have patients dying in the halls and crowds panicking in the lobbies but that is more the stuff of disaster movies than responsible healthcare facilities. An empty hospital lobby is properly seen as proof of the present state of emergency.
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@zedvictor4
--> @oromagiHow can one trespass in a public facility.Control by the State BIG BRO.
Schools and prisons are public facilities. Are you saying it is impossible to trespass in those places? The White House is a public facility- is all Secret Service protection therefore unjust state control? Army bases and nuclear missile silos are public facilities, is it big brotherish of me to hope those facilities are secure? I think it is quite sensible and ordinary governing for the public to create cordons sanitaire in a time of plague and restrict mentally ill ex-politicians from exploiting the suffering of the infected for only reasons of self-promotion.
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@n8nrgmi
is the status quo in the USA more liberal or conservative?i think it's a mix of both, obviously. but it could be argued either way if you had to choose.so which party's politics is dominant in the USA?
The US Democratic and Republican parties are not the liberal and conservative parties respectively, never have been and never less so than today. The typical reply to this objection is something like , "oh, well you know what I mean" but to conflate the distinction is to fail to recognize how far the US has drifted from those worthy American ideals. For example, the Republicans hold the liberal position regarding gun ownership and gun control in America and that's not really a debatable point if you understand what the word liberal means. This is not to say that Democrats therefore hold the conservative position regarding gun control because historically, the liberal position on gun control is also the conservative position. The conception of liberalism vs conservatism as a continuum between two oppositely charged ideological poles is just some daft remnant of Cold War oversimplification. I don't think it can be fairly said that any trace of traditional 20th century Conservatism as defined by Buckley and Goldwater remains in the Republican party under Trump's leadership although the Democratic party has done little to embrace or preserve those forgotten ideals.
Since Republicans currently control 2.5 of the 3 American estates of power, I'd have to say that Republicans are dominant. Once the new president is installed, we will either be in 1.5 gridlock or 2 to 1 Democrat if Georgia elects two Democrats to Senate.
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@TheMorningsStar
Trying to ascribe ancient people with modern political systems is misguided at the start.
Socialism is an economic theory, not a political system but +1 for criticizing the application of industrial age reaction to ancient Roman religious figures. Misguided is the correct analysis.
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Of course, that is what hospitals look like during a pandemic. Stripped of all non-essential visitors and administrators and staff Gloucester Royal is down to 700 patients in beds and 3 or 400 people treating them, almost exclusively in the 11 story patient care building on the campus, where Ms. Hicks never entered. You aren't likely to find much of either patients or nurses wandering around the lobby, which has been closed to the public since early November. We do see 15 or 20 people waiting at Accidents & Emergencies which seems pretty normal.
Let's note that the lady filming is named Debbi Hicks and this is hardly her first rodeo when it comes to conspiracy theories or publicity stunts. Hicks is a well-known leftist activist and was Vice-Chairperson for the Labour Party in Stroud before she made national news for implying that Theresa May was involved in the 2017 Manchester bombing.
She was arrested at the beginning of the first lockdown in Gloucester for organizing maskless rallies and again at the beginning of the second lockdown in November. She was ejected from Gloucester City Council this Spring for disrupting the meeting by claiming censorship after she arrived more than an hour late to her own scheduled presentation.
Her arrest by what can only be described as Nazis " only carrying out their orders ".
I can't say I've read many reports of Nazi storm-troopers saying please and thank you quite so often or waiting politely on the stairs while arrestees closed the door and got dressed. I also don't remember the stormtroopers releasing arrestees on bail so they could flood the media with film of their arrest.
I would not call this woman brave for trespassing at a large hosptial during a pandemic while flouting basic hygeine and inventing paranoid fantasies- dangerously cracked is more the description that occurs.
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@Stephen
Of course, that is what hospitals look like during a pandemic. Stripped of all non-essential visitors and administrators and staff Gloucester Royal is down to 700 patients in beds and 3 or 400 people treating them, almost exclusively in the 11 story patient care building on the campus, where Ms. Hicks never entered. You aren't likely to find many patients or nurses wandering around the lobby, which has been closed to the public since early November. We do see 15 or 20 people waiting at Accidents & Emergencies which seems pretty normal.
Let's note that the lady filming is named Debbi Hicks and this is hardly her first rodeo when it comes to conspiracy theories or publicity stunts. Hicks is a well-known leftist activist and was Vice-Chairperson for the Labour Party in Stroud before she made national news for implying that Theresa May was involved in the 2017 Manchester bombing.
She was arrested at the beginning of the first lockdown in Gloucester for organizing maskless rallies and again at the beginning of the second lockdown in November. She was ejected from Gloucester City Council this Spring for disrupting the meeting by claiming censorship after she arrived more than an hour late to her own scheduled presentation.
Her arrest by what can only be described as Nazis " only carrying out their orders ".
I can't say I've read many reports of Nazi storm-troopers saying please and thank you quite so often or waiting politely on the stairs while arrestees closed the door and got dressed. I also don't remember the stormtroopers releasing arrestees on bail so they could flood the media with film of their arrest.
I would not call this woman brave for trespassing at a large hosptial during a pandemic while flouting basic hygeine and inventing paranoid fantasies- dangerously cracked is more the description that occurs.
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Readers are here advised that user Greyparrot requires a safe space on this website, protected from the free speech of some select opposing viewpoints. At the request of moderation and in spite of my strong objection, I am withholding a reply to Greyparrot's posts regarding this topic.
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@janesix
We've discussed this before but I feel one should never use miles as a unit when trying to discover sacred geometries in interstellar measurements. It seems extremely unlikely that Gods and other aliens would use the the foot size English monarchs dead for 500 years as a base measurement for describing the universe.
2,381,000km / 1,391,400km = 1.71 which is the square root of 2.92
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@TheMorningsStar
The issue here isn't that Nancy Pelosi agreed to Trump's proposal, it is that she agreed to HALF of the proposal and created a situation that she knew the Republicans would vote no on. You cannot both increase the amount everyone gets from $600 to $2000 and NOT cut out a bunch of the bloat/pork in the Omnibus Spending Bill, doing so would cause a massive economic disaster. Trump said to cut the pork and raise it to $2000 for everyone, Pelosi goes "Let's not cut anything and raise it to $2000 for everyone" and when it gets rejected they all go "Oh look, the Republicans are the bad guys!"To cut out part of the context is to play partisan games when this is a serious issue that can impact the lives of so many people, and that is disgusting.
You forget that in his 2011 SotU speechObama promised to veto any bill with earmarks.
“Both parties in Congress should know this: If a bill comes to my desk with earmarks in it, I will veto it,” the president said.“The American people deserve to know that special interests aren’t larding up legislation with pet projects,” Obama continued.
On Mar 11th of that year, Pelosi issued a new set of rules banning pork. While there were still some loopholes, Democrats brought pork spending down below 1990 levels and 2011 and 2013 saw $0 in pork spending- the only two years that's ever been true.
Trump, on the other hand, came into office demanding a return to the bad old days
"Our system lends itself to not getting things done, and I hear so much about earmarks — the old earmark system — how there was a great friendliness when you had earmarks. But of course, they had other problems with earmarks. But maybe all of you should start thinking about going back to a form of earmarks. Because this system (laughter) This system — (laughter) — but you should do it, and I’m there with you, because this system really lends itself to not getting along. It lends itself to hostility and anger, and they hate the Republicans. And they hate the Democrats. And in the old days of earmarks, you can say what you want about certain Presidents and others, where they all talk about they went out to dinner at night and they all got along, and they passed bills. That was an earmark system, and maybe we should think about it."
Today's bill sets a fourth year of record increase in pork spending since Obama and Pelosi banned the practice.
Since FY 1991, CAGW has identified 111,417 earmarks costing $375.7 billion, of which $246.9 billion (66%) is credited to Republicans.
You also forget that Trump is the most prolific liar in history. If Trump wanted folks to get $2000 without pork, he could have supported the House bill in May. Instead, Trump maintained a bored disinterest in the COVID relief bill and the payout particularly until the day McConnell called for Trump to accept the election results. Now Trump has thrown in his support for $2000 almost exclusively as a personal "fuck you" to McConnell.
Let's not mistake Trump for some politician worried about blowing out the budget. The 266 golf days as predident that Trump enjoyed by May 25 of this year are estimated to have cost taxpayers $141 million- some percentage of which is actually the Trump Organization billing us for the cost of Trump playing at his own resorts.
23 days left is really too late into Trump's presidential term to suddenly discover fiscal responsibility. Don't be suckered.
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@fauxlaw
As for Lee, you're willing to take him down because on one subject, abolition, he was on the wrong side?
Of course, you know that Lee's crimes against the USofA were more serious than the mere ideology you suppose here. One might easily argue that Lee was responsible for the violent end of more American lives than any other person ever. That Lee's failure to honor his oaths and his failure to understand the fundamental rights of humans should be fumbled by the heir to Washington made that crime all the more tragic and heartbreaking. Lee used Washington's estate against the very government and presidency his inheritance founded. I think we are correct to remember Lee but as a traitor grudgingly forgiven or as a murderer who has done his time, not honored as faithful or even as friend.
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@Theweakeredge
Whenever you are arguing in favor of human property, you will be censored. That's a hard line.
The Bible argues in favor of human property, should we ban the Bible?
The US Constitution argues in favor of human property, should we ban the US Constitution?
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@Theweakeredge
We might note that PragerU
- Is not a university but just a talk show host named Prager, the U is a lie employed to impress the gullible
- is one of the top ten advertisers on Facebook
- is mostly just a non-profit spokesperson for the oil industry, which funds Prageru to the tune of $25million last year alone
"Free Speech is one thing but" sounds like the beginning of an argument I can't get behind. Of course, PragerU is free to uphold the heroes of White Nationalism and despise the first commandment of Americanism- that all humans begin with an equal and inalienable right to liberty. If we wish to take action, perhaps it is time to reconsider the $40 billion dollars in US taxpayer money that we dole out annually to the oil industry, some of the world's most profitable corporations and also challenge the tax-exempt status of a media maker that is entirely partisan and successfully promotes far too much false information to justify any claim of social benefit.
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You are all missing the point
Biden has a well advertised speech impediment which he owns fairly honestly. Like all stutterers, Biden is going to stumble in public speech. If you're going to go after Biden for this impediment, you will run the risk of looking like you are exploiting his disability for political advantage.
My point in quoting Trump is that you would never hold Trump to the high standard you apply to Biden.
If Trump said "one horse pony" instead of "one trick pony" it would be a good news story at the White House because at least it wasn't a lie, or an unwarranted attack, or a felony. Certainly, we know that nobody worries about Trump fucking up a few words because he's already fucking up American lives on an epic, unprecedented scale and to worry about misspeaking one word seems like petty bullshit. This smacks of the same sort of two-facedness as Rubio complaining about being called a motherfucker generically when he was the guy who tried to disqualify Trump on the basis of cocksize in the final 2016 presidential debate. Why do standards only apply to Democratic administrations?
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@HistoryBuff
For example if it calls for violence against a specific group (like exterminating the jews for example). That kind of thing crosses a line that I don't think we need to allow.
The Bible calls for violence against unbelievers. Shall we ban the Bible?
The Declaration of Independence calls for violence against the British. Shall we ban the Declaration of Independence?
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I'm skeptical. The most successful populist movement in US history currently holds 2.5 of the 3 branches of govt- meaning that populism is the establishment position.
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Trump on CIA reports that Russian intelligence operatives offered bounties for the deaths of US soldiers in Afghanistan:
"If it reached my desk, I would have done something about it."
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Donald Trump's plan regarding the Russian's ongoing cyberattack on the US military and energy infrastructure, the largest cyberattack in history
"The Cyber Hack is far greater in the Fake News Media than in actuality. I have been fully briefed and everything is well under control. Russia, Russia, Russia is the priority chant when anything happens because Lamestream is, for mostly financial reasons, petrified of..discussing the possibility that it may be China (it may!). There could also have been a hit on our ridiculous voting machines during the election, which is now obvious that I won big, making it an even more corrupted embarrassment for the USA"
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Donald Trump on Federal wildfire management.
"I said, you gotta clean your floors, you gotta clean your forests — there are many, many years of leaves and broken trees and they’re like, like, so flammable, you touch them and it goes up"
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Donald Trump pandemic action plan:
"So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it's ultraviolet or just a very powerful light — and I think you said that hasn't been checked because of the testing, and then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that, too. I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
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Donald Trump on Global Warming:
"If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value, And they say the noise causes cancer."
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Trump comments on Hurricane Florence:
“This is a tough hurricane, one of the wettest we’ve ever seen from the standpoint of water.”
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The Commander in Chief thinks the planes he commands are actually invisible to the eye:
"the F-35 fighter jet, which is, you know, almost like an invisible fighter. I was asking the Air Force guys, I said, how good is this plane? They said, well, sir, you can't see it. I said, yeah, but in a fight — you know, a fight — like I watch in the movies — they fight, they're fighting. How good is this? They say, well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it. Even if it's right next to it, it can't see it. I said, that helps. That's a good thing"
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Donald Trump's 2019 Fourth of July address:
"In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified Army out of the Revolutionary Forces encamped around Boston and New York, and named after the great George Washington, commander in chief. Our Army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rocket’s red glare it had nothing but victory. And when dawn came, their star-spangled banner waved defiant"
(The Battle of Baltimore was in 1814)
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Donald Trump's 2019 hurricane plan:
"I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them? They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?"
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@crossed
Mumbai: 25 children died, 146 suffered vaccine-related side-effects since 2013
Mission Indradhanush and WHO claims that the mortaility rate in children under 2 has declined from 26 per 1000 in 2013 to 19 per 1000 in 2018 as a direct result of vaccination. So that's 5 children per year who died from an adverse vaccine reaction (unverified) vs. about 8,000 children per year in the Mumbai districts who were saved by vaccines.
As pharmaceuticals company's go around the world killing thousands with vaccines.
killing 5 per year vs. saving 8000 in Mumbai alone
anti vaxxers are dumb and conspiracy theorist are dangerous.
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@crossed
A study by the U.S. Armed Forces published since the 2012 IOM report estimated annual rates of syncope associated with immunization to be between 4.4 and 14.1 events per 100,000 immunizations. We should anticipate that between 44 and 141 patients suffered syncope (fainting) in the first one million people that were immunized this week. Since there were lots of cameras recording "first vaccine" moments, I don't find it surprising that one such event took place on camera.
Any decision to refuse the coronavirus vaccine because blood and needles sometimes cause some people to faint is not warranted.
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mediabias/factcheck ranks NaturalNews as low as possible for reliable sourcing
Besides promoting pseudoscience, Natural News is an extreme right-wing biased source that frequently promotes Donald Trump propaganda such as these: President Trump has a constitutional MANDATE to use the military to protect our southern border – Richard Sacks. This article is sourced to Natural News and Brighteon News, which we have never heard of. In this conspiracy story, there is zero evidence and hence why it is a conspiracy: CONFIRMED: Barack Obama was running the entire spygate operation that violated federal law to spy on Trump.campaign officials. In general, politically, all stories favor the right and promote pseudoscience such as chemtrails, the Sandy Hook shooting being a false flag: Sandy Hook: mind-control flicker effect. Lastly, this source denies the consensus on climate change without evidence as seen here: Climate change cultists are now taking over your local weather forecast.
A factual search reveals that Natural News has failed too many fact checks to list here.
Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right-wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet.
I think everything Mike Adams writes can be safely disregarding as unreliable.
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@crossed
I agree with HistoryBuff. I don't find it surprising that you can't understand Obama's popularity because you demonstrate a lack of interest in the facts regarding the man. How can we hope to understand that which we refuse to study?
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CHARLIE BROWN: I guess you were right, Linus. I shouldn't have picked this little tree. Everything I do turns into a disaster. I guess I don't really know what Christmas is all about.
[shouts]
ISN'T THERE ANYONE WHO KNOWS WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT?
LINUS: Sure, Charlie Brown, I can tell you what Christmas is all about
[Linus walks to center stage.]
Lights, please....
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them,and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior,which is Christ the Lord.And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babewrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of theheavenly host praising God, and saying,Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
[Linus picks up his blanket and shuffles off-stage.]
That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.
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@Stephen
The name change is never explained either.
Its not a name change- it is an epithet. Petr just means "rock." The same stem as petroglyph (rock carving) or petroleum (rock oil). When Jesus says I will call you "the Rock" and upon this rock I will build my church he means it in roughly the same sense as Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson's usage- he's calling Simon strong and tough.
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@Lunatic
Alternatively, I'd be willing to put the water lynch on hold and lynch bullish based on the caroler results.
Huh? So far, Magic is claiming CAROLER results but this claim is not confirmed because nobody is claiming to be the CAROLER. If there is no CAROLER then Magic is lying and we don't care what she says.
I know I am town,
If you are TOWN you are either preventing us from trusting ORACLE results by failing to confirm or you are preventing us from confirming a lie.
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@WaterPhoenix
--> @ILikePie5you're my last hope, did you visit supa last night? if you did that confirms me as watcher.
or it means you tracked Pie
Speed visiting Pie was already established before your claim.
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@Lunatic
@oromagiAre you confirming caroler?I'd rather not answer this, I will confirm visiting magic though.
Why?
Seems like we really need to verify Magic's claim and we have you visiting her. You know it is suspicious to get caught visiting and then withhold your report.
Does somebody else want to claim CAROLER?
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MisterChris Yukon Cornelius TRACKER
WaterPhoenix Elf on a Shelf TRACKER (CC)
Lunatic Jack Skellington
whiteflame
LikeMagic (movie) HATED
that1user
drafterman
Bullish (movie)
Pie
SCUM
Supa Mordechai CULT RECRUITERorPRoTECTOR
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