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Ummmm Uncle Iroh in ATLA by far, I guess Korra in TLOK? I don't really have a fav character from that show. Amon, Zaheer, Kuvira, Unalaq. I would probably choose Earth. And based on my personality would probably be water. What about you?
Yeah Speed is town /s
Iroh, I don’t know for LOK. I liked Jinora I guess, but she wasn’t a big enough character to make a difference. The order of the villains was perfect. I’d probably pick earth and my personality would definitely be earth
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Also Death Note is a phenomenal show, anyone who hasn't seen it should watch it, I'm not too into anime and it's one of my favorite shows ever
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@Speedrace
Quick who is the best character in each, order villains from best to worst in TLOK, and if you were a good but non-master bender (so like no healing, lightning, blood, metal, lava, etc) what element would you choose? If it's a different answer which one do you think you'd be most likely to be based on your personality?
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@MisterChris
I was asking about both so thank you. Just wanted to know what had changed since you originally posted them. What are your thoughts on what I said about skittlez not outting that he thought oro was a PR if he were mafia?
To be clear I'm not disagreeing that what he did was anti-town but if he's mafia I'd think he'd want to keep that to himself.
To be clear I'm not disagreeing that what he did was anti-town but if he's mafia I'd think he'd want to keep that to himself.
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@Vader
That and skittlez saying oro is a PR for an L avatar are probably the two most substantive things in the DP so far, in my opinion. That's not saying much obviously, but that's also why I qualified it with "tentatively"
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I also tentatively like Pie's line of questioning on MrChris for his vote shift. I think pressuring people who literally haven't shown up yet is dumb, but if you're gonna do it keep the pressure in one place. Targeted pressure works better than dispersed pressure.
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Let's assume skittlez is mafia and outted Oro as a potentially powerful role (Oro being a powerful role relies on assumptions I'm not willing to make but for the sake of the argument here)
Why would skittlez do that? Would it not make more sense to keep that to themselves rather than let us all know that they have a power role lead on oro?
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@MisterChris
UNVOTE. VTL Warren for activity.
Please don't edit posts. Easy for scum to slip then cover it that way. Even if it's spelling or grammar just leave it and correct it in a second post if you'd like. That said, can I ask why you edited this?
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As far as anime I've watched
- ATLA/TLOK (Absolutely don't count, are just the same art style)
- Pokemon (older episodes, also doesn't really count)
- Death Note (damn oro taking L)
- About 2/3 of Parasyte
So I have almost no knowledge. Pretty sure Lunatic's discord avatar is from One Punch Man for what that's worth
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Hi I'm here, didn't realize the game had started. For all future mods please send me a message on discord if your games start hahaha
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Uh why are we assuming that even if Pie confirms his role it confirms him as town? He should be locked into targeting Supa or Lunatic. I want you to follow this Pie.
A motivator might even be able to give mafia an extra night kill. Don't think this should've skated by with so little pushback.
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*before offering my thoughts on who. I am catching up. Multitasking while on the phone for work is not optimal for typing haha
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@Vader
Interesting. In that case then I don't think there's any reason to explicitly distrust your results, one of the three of us is scum, I'll wait to see Pie's role claim before catching up.
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@Vader
Cool. Still in the process of catching up. I don't like that your PM specifically said that your results could be messed with but think it's probably safe to assume that they're legit
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If Oro thinks his theory is correct then Intelligence is scum. If he’s the scum recruiter then Skitlez is town. Supa comes out and defends Intel by leaving out certain context. Supa also has Oro on his list
Uh no... if Intel is scum recruiter then Skittlez is scum... cause scum recruited him...
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Last night I used my Dreamer ability and it said one of the 3 is scum. Oromagi, Pie, or warren. I plan tonight to use my watcher ability. On this list, neither skittlez or Intelligence appeared. I am not suggesting they are not mafia, but I am also saying it isn't possible. I think it's beneficial to leave these two to see if this role works out.
So exactly one or at least one? You said your results could be manipulated but I think this pool is probably where we should be lynching. Pie and Oro should full claim if they haven't yet.
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So it’s a 50/50 shot that you’d take a power role out and you’d be fine with that?
50% chance of scum, 50% chance of hitting a PR in a PR-heavy game? You're implying that you wouldn't take those odds?
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Too lazy to catch all the way up on this tonight, I'll do so during work tomorrow (hopefully)
I think Chris is definitely town based on the way he claimed and the content (vanilla) as well as behavior. lunatic is also probably town. I didn't realize how Intel's role would traditionally work. Kinda scummy but I'm not completely sold yet.
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@Lunatic
When I asked him why, he said he felt town from his posts from dp1
This is false. I literally say in the same post as the initial read that I have not read D1 yet.
When you asked for clarification and I gave it to you here I said that I might change my read on Pie because in the meantime I *had* read D1. This means that based on the initial read I was basing it off exclusively tone on D2.
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What I'm confused is that we said that roleblocker wouldn't really help town, and Intel still chose to mimic Skittlez.
Essentially he copped him. I think that it was a good use of the PR
Warren and Chris are at a different hand. Warren seems like he's trying to go all buddy-buddy with Chris, because both of them are vanilla. I don't buy that he was trying to out himself to "help" town. He was pressured during DP1 but that was only thrown out there because of inactivity. There was no real reason for him to claim.Chris on the other hand, counterclaimed Warren. I still somewhat believe that there is only one vanilla. But, we will have to see in the coming DP's.
This is a weak line of thought. I don't think I've even spoken to Chris at this point. If townreading someone is trying to "buddy-buddy" then I don't know what to tell you. It's a bad analysis. What's worse though is that you're still insisting he's counterclaimed me. Vanilla should literally never be considered a counterclaim unless the mod specifically says there are none or one. Instead the mod specified there might be up to four.
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That makes even LESS sense. You prefaced your read of him saying he was town, then followed it up with he could equally be mafia, but didn't retract the town read.Pie is probably town in my opinion. He's certainly not vanilla in case that wasn't yet clear, but based on meta he's also probably not a town negative utility role. He's either scum or town and has a positive utility.
The initial read was before I read D1. Pie was town by tone, but based on how active he'd been in D2 he was clearly either a PR with decent utility or scum. After reading D1 I now don't think that he's town anymore. That said I apparently have another 18 pages to read.
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Btw after clarification I fully buy Intel's claim. But both of you should continue to waive your action (assuming you did so N1 skittlez) for the same reasons Lunatic and Danielle outlined in D1
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@Lunatic
Because I hadn't read D1 when I made the initial read, like I said, and I had read D1 before answering your question, also like I said.
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Yeah I see that now, seems (like others said) his meta is essentially the same as GP's.
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@Lunatic
Specifically because of how bloodthirsty for vanillas this group is. They don't seem to care that Bullish said it could be up to four vanillas, they still seem to think that at least one of me and Mr. Chris is scum because we both claimed vanilla. I think it's bad for vanillas to claim at this point in a vacuum, but with how stubborn the group seems to be about making a bad play I think vanillas almost have to claim here or risk being killed when they do come forward.
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@Lunatic
I will preface this by saying I powered through D1 and might be changing my mind on that I want to talk about some stuff with Pie but:
It was mostly a gut read but the way he'd been talking made me tone read him town
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@Intelligence_06
Interesting. So did you start as 3rd party? Or do you mean you become a vanilla townie if you mimic scum?
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I honestly don't know if Intel is just still getting used to the game and wanted to lynch an inactive but I feel like I could make a coherent argument that my slot had as much of an impact on D1 as his did, so I'm a little skeptical of him pushing for that lynch.
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Supa talking about how badly he wants to scumread skittlez but refraining makes me think that if skittlez is mafia supa probably is too. If supa is mafia I don't think it tells us about skittlez's affiliation though.
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@oromagi
I do not have a wincon at all. Clearly, skitz has a wincon. That's interesting. Does everybody else have a wincon? are the wincons all like skittles?
This is interesting. I don't usually pay attention to PM structure but I also don't have a wincon explicitly stated in mine in the form of "you win with the town." It does say vanilla townie though, so I suppose that Bullish might feel the need to clarify for a roleblocker but not for a vanilla who already has the affiliation listed.
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There was tons on DDO lol. Lovelife, royalpaladin, lickdafoot, insertnamehere, vi_veri, danielle, rosalie, hatstand, trekie, to name a few of the more active ones. All mafia players.
Wow. Really disrespecting magic like that. I see how it is.
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It's probably best actually in this case that he was upfront quickly. I think if we pressured him dp2 or 3 and found that out it would likely be a mislynch.
This is in regard to skittlez's roleblocker claim. I agree that it's good he was upfront if he's town but it doesn't seem that that was *why* he was upfront. Does that bother you at all? It does bother me a bit.
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The Lighting are freakin floppers with zebras covering for them every time. Fake cup. Stars deserved it cause of the desire and motivation to win after being written off as a shitty team
I'd argue the Lightning deserved it as they scored more goals than the Stars did in 4/6 games.
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@oromagi
I don't think he lied I just think he didn't bother paying attention and he actively hates vanillas. I think he genuinely believed what he was saying. I'm not sold on him as town, that's just a kinda baseline read.
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I will say that at this point it should be clear that Chris and I are not mafia together so if one of us is lynched and flips guilty (INB4 someone is like oh interesting you don't know you're innocent? Guilty much?) the other one should be pretty much cleared. There's no way that if we're mafia together he also claims vanilla in that environment.
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I'm going to keep my lynch on warren, as he randomly claimed
This is not only false, but stupid. I was asked for my role and from what I've read my slot was nearly lynched last DP to get rid of an inactive slot. I also planned to claim immediately. My slot was essentially nonexistent D1, as I replaced in the middle of a shift for work and became quite busy and was not able to catch up and post before EOD. Essentially at that point I'm giving you guys nothing to work with, so the least I can do is come in and claim (especially since I was vanilla) so that you can start to formulate a read on my slot.
*DISCLAIMER I HAVE NOT YET READ D1*
Pie is probably town in my opinion. He's certainly not vanilla in case that wasn't yet clear, but based on meta he's also probably not a town negative utility role. He's either scum or town and has a positive utility.
*DISCLAIMER I HAVE NOT YET READ D1*
Pie is probably town in my opinion. He's certainly not vanilla in case that wasn't yet clear, but based on meta he's also probably not a town negative utility role. He's either scum or town and has a positive utility.
Mr. Chris is probably town. I buy the vanilla claim and think it's stupid to argue that there couldn't be one or more vanillas in a role madness game. If every single player has a role the game isn't going to be balanced. Bullish seems like a more traditional mod at least in the sense that he isn't going to just say "fuck balance everyone gets a role, if it doesn't work oh well." He might swing a little in favor of more roles than not, but I think he probably understands that in most games you need a couple vanillas to keep things balanced.
That said, if there are any more vanillas, you should probably full claim immediately. I know this helps mafia narrow down the pool of who to kill, but with how bloodthirsty these people are for vanillas I think you essentially have to full claim. I honestly will start to become suspicious of anyone who full claims vanilla after too long because it's become such an issue that anyone who is actually vanilla would be concerned enough that they would (and should) claim before the end of the day.
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@ILikePie5
Are vanillas fair game? Yes or no?
What else would be the "or most" mean
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You guys are idiots. Role madness doesn't mean that every single player has a role, it means there are few or no vanillas.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah I'm gonna full claim I imagine I was a non-presence yesterday unless my prior person asked to replace out. I'm a smart fridge. Most smart devices are essentially useless and a gimmick to make stuff more expensive. I'm vanilla.
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If I had to choose either an unbalanced game where everyone had PRs or a balanced one where everyone was vanilla I'd probably choose the former for live mafia and the latter for forum. I feel like on this site mods are often too trigger happy with PRs and foresake balance in the name of people having fun roles. That's well and good, roles are more fun than vanilla, but then the game itself isn't fun if it ends up being one sided. I think that balance matters a little less in live games for whatever reason so I'm more inclined to pick a less balanced game with roles in a live game.
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@whiteflame
I'm willing to judge if you need one and though my debating and judging on here is limited I think whiteflame might be willing to attest to me being competent, at the very least. I had a decent track record on DDO and lost a 3-2 split decision in state final round for PF in high school (the team that beat us went on to get 5th at Nats that year) and have judged at least one or two tournaments at the high school level each year since.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
He tried copping you, cookie, pie, pie in that order I believe. I dunno I didn't bother keeping track since you guys just roleblocked him each night
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Honestly I feel like this game was more balanced than I expected. I figured balance wasn't a huge issue since it's bastard so I wasn't meticulous in my analysis of balance. I figured 3 mafia vs 9 town was a bit too much for mafia, so I added the lost wolf to make it a bit harder for them.
Disc immediately picked up on the thing Lunatic did (though it was kinda obvious I guess) but he also independently came up with the Lunatic claiming lyncher plan, called speed as doc, and there was something else too. All around great play.
Also, he did watch speed visit Supa with the telescope. Oro's powers were
- Vest: 1x bp
- Telescope: 1x watcher
- Ballot: 1x extra vote
- Duct Tape: 1x roleblock
Lunatic I have no idea why you did what you did with the counterclaim.
Town MVP in my opinion was oro, he used the telescope to town confirm himself to disc and force disc to acknowledge as much, then gave supa the 1xbp which was never used but still a solid move. His day play was also good.
Scum MVP was Disc. I don't think I've ever played scum with him but I want to.
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I could be a dick and say the vote doesn’t count cause cookie is now skittlez but I won’t. Skittlez was guilty. Endgame up tomorrow.
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@ILikePie5
Yes I do. I’m gonna flat out tell you who the final scum is
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