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Is Elminster mikal?
I’d like to go on record saying a D1 innocent child sucks, but at least I don’t have to read Supa
Any chance it’s worth noting that speed changed it from “weapons” to “tools” or no? I think probably no but it’s a thought that popped into my head
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Hi, speed finally pinged me on discord so I know the game started. Going to do a real quick skim with any initial thoughts and peace out for the night
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@Lunatic
I don't remember that but you played longer than I did
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Town is usually OP because everyone on this site hates VTs so they give way too many roles and then mafia is up against a town with 6 PRs and 3 other people have passive roles
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@BearMan
The rule of thumb is 1/4 of players are mafia and rounded down. So no, this is probably to counter-balance the fact that mafia has more numbers than they usually would.
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@ILikePie5
Lunatic literally said nobody else should claim
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@Danielle
Heh
Chicken pot pie is also good but I'd like it better if it didn't have peas.
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@Speedrace
Think kinda like dirt pudding in a pie crust with cool whip type stuff on top
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@Lunatic
I prefer Apple, but chocolate and pumpkin are also good.
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@ILikePie5
No... I don't think that you can say nobody sees it like I do when nobody else opined on it? Like "hey let's get a bunch of people to claim for theme analysis" is definitely not a popular opinion and you can't claim it is just because people ignored it
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@BearMan
Dude that's... exactly my point. I expect the role and characters to fit better and with better justification, so you saying you haven't seen the show and having a subpar justification makes me think it ISN'T from the mod
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@Danielle
I'm right there with you on this, much as I've only just familiarized myself with what a Tracker is. It's a strange choice for Toph, hence I'm still iffy on BearMan, though it's not so unlikely of a choice that I'd dismiss it outright.
In response to what you said about how it made sense to you after watching the youtube video I completely agree with what whiteflame is saying above. It makes enough sense that I could see it, but little enough sense that I'm a bit suspicious, especially when coupled with an okay but not great justification. I'll try to come up with an example that makes more sense as a comparison for you
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@BearMan
So your defense against me being suspicious of the justification being bad is that you've never seen the show? So your lack of familiarity with it, which would likely mean a bad fake claim, means you... couldn't have made the fake claim? I dunno.
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@Danielle
Familiar with the theme. I watched as a kid, rewatched two years ago, and ended up watching much of it with my roommate and girlfriend when each of them watched when it arrived on Netflix. I'm also relatively familiar with the extended universe. Haven't read the comics but am a little nerdy when it comes to this so I've poked around online forums and I've watched the sequel show, The Legend of Korra. Not sure how much content outside of the show but within the universe would apply though.
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@ILikePie5
This is the boldest and worst fishing for claims I've ever seen. Also GreyParrot claimed Momo and vanilla right at the beginning of the phase, so we already have two.
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BearMan- You are Toph. You are blind, and despite your parents, you go with Aang and his group. You are good at earthending and also are good at metal bending. Using sensory from underground attacks, you can determine your opponent's position. You are a Tracker. Each night you may choose someone to track, and you will know who they go to. You win with town.
The bolded is what I really take issue with here. Like they aren't attacks, and describing any of her "attacks" as "underground" doesn't make a *ton* of sense anyway. For those who haven't watched the show watch this quick video that will explain how she "sees" despite being blind.
Like I said I don't think she makes a ton of sense as a tracker
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@Danielle
Still working on getting fully caught up but at the moment I'm not a huge fan of BearMan's claim
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Okay so discussion of the Toph claim:
She's a blind 12 year old who's the best earthbender in the world. She's able to "see" with her feet by feeling the vibrations in the ground (think similar to the superhero Daredevil if that helps?)
She's a blind 12 year old who's the best earthbender in the world. She's able to "see" with her feet by feeling the vibrations in the ground (think similar to the superhero Daredevil if that helps?)
Using "sensory underground attacks to locate the opponent's position" isn't a great justification honestly. I don't know if the poor link is a result of paraphrasing or if it's a fake claim, but if Supa is a big enough fan of the show to make a game around it, I don't like this justification.
I don't want to harp on this too much but there are also both better roles for Toph and better fits for tracker.
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I'm really hoping that it was Supa that liked the post
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Greyparrot, whiteflame, and croc are all town to varying degrees, lunatic and danielle are also both probably town, but less confident in them
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It's a bit more fundamental then that though, because I don't understand why anything I've said means I should claim anything. I freely gave the town information that I didn't have to, that info being public only hurts mafia. At the very most it should be a null read. I mean I can claim but I would at least like to hear a valid reason for me to do so. Pie hasn't given one. It's completely based on WIFOM that makes no sense at all, and doesn't consider the option that I am being truthful. He could literally cut and paste the same case against a cop who outted guilty results and say he didn't believe them. It's pure WIFOM. And speed is probably scum (he frequently omguses as mafia also, so im really not surprised he is voting me here). But if you think I should claim at all, even if it is day phase 2, please at least provide an elaborate reason as to why.
It's not because I think that anything you did is inherently scummy. To the contrary, I think that you had an overall townie play here. However, this would be the perfect way to signal to mafia that you were with them. Essentially this is pro-town, but the role is unique which is cause for concern and the fact that though pro-town, you're playing this exactly how I'd expect you to do it regardless of affiliation.
On top of that you said you would not be claiming until after D1, so that implied to me that D2 you were prepared to full claim.
It also does depend, obviously, on assuming that the third mafia knows their teammates and that the teammates do not know them. I've seen variations where the loner knows but the PM mafia don't, the PM mafia know the loner but the loner doesn't know them, where neither knows, or where both know.
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I, for one, don't want to lynch Lunatic if he says he's willing to claim D2, which it seems he was. BUT that better be your first post tomorrow.
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@Lunatic
Town pile: Warren, pie, greyparrot, whiteflame
Why?
Was your mafia comment a joke, a reaction test, or the former that unintentionally had the results of the latter?
Was your mafia comment a joke, a reaction test, or the former that unintentionally had the results of the latter?
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By the way, the profile picture is not necessarily a hint toward my identity. I said here that I'd probably change my pic to Appa or Iroh. This is Appa, for those of you who don't watch. I also could be Appa, who knows ;) but I had intentions of doing this coming in.
(Since this was a big deal in the last game)
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@BearMan
I think he's just making a joke, I don't think it's a gambit. That joke doesn't have any bearing on his affiliation from my perspective though.
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@Lunatic
Yeah I mean I'm thinking about it from the perspective of a relatively uninformed Oro as of N1 so he wouldn't know about the cop's existence
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@Lunatic
She fake claims cop, says that that was why she was so suspicious of his profile picture being more or less a cop soft claim, and that she copped him innocent.
Risky but I didn't think through it *too* much
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@Lunatic
Yeah that's what I was thinking as far as why speed could WIFOM me out of it. I think if I were oro I might have targeted Danielle since she was widely townread, though that obviously would not have worked.
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@Lunatic
Oro, I was giving him an out with the "L could be any investigative role, like tracker, watcher, role cop" but I was immediately suspicious of role cop and would've been suspicious of any other role other than cop most likely. I think I probably would've suspected speed once oro got lynched because I'd expect mafia to recruit speed. Maybe speed could've WIFOMed his way out of it but I doubt it
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So I guess mafia had a pre-N1 recruit which is why I was able to be visited by a role cop N1?
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I’d complain about how short D2 was but it caught scum so oh well. For what it’s worth Oro was telling the truth about my role and I got that result that I was visited by the role cop N1
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@Danielle
I really doubt they mean anything.
As far as scum reads I said that I think if Oro is scum then skittlez doesn't look great for pointing it out, it might be like a set/spike attempt or skittlez might have pointed it out on his own.
I also think whoever unvoted oro when he was at like 3 so that we didn't hammer is a little suspicious if oro flips scum
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@Danielle
As far as reads, so far I’ve skimmed up to page 6 or so. From what I’ve gathered I just think the tunneling of inactivity on DP1 is kind of pathetic. Nothing says “I’m a weak ass little mafia player with nothing to contribute” than harping on a player who hasn’t even signed on yet. Do better. There is a criteria for tunneling inactivity and I don’t think I meet it - everyone knows that once I’m AWARE the game is on, I am active.And Oromagi sounds like an idiot saying I haven’t posted in the last three games when #1 that’s not true and #2 I was KILLED FIRST IN DAY OR NIGHT PHASE ONE dumb ass lol. I also think the fact that he changed his profile pic to something that seems to resonate with y’all is completely and utterly meaningless - I have no idea why anyone would town read that. I would be more likely to scum read that but I wouldn’t say I “scum read” him or anyone for now.
I dunno haha
(Good news btw. I checked my role PM and I'm town, so I can finally help since the rest of ya'll haven't done shit but complain about my inactivity. Fortunately for ya'll I'm here and will probably contribute more in this single post than the rest of you put together so far).
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Also before this becomes a big deal in Supa's game I'll be changing my PFP to an ATLA (or maybe TLOK) character, don't read into it. I'm thinking Appa or Iroh at the moment but it could be anyone
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I will say that if oro is mafia I'm gonna start to suspect skittlez a bit. Almost seems like oro may have planned it as a subtle fake claim and skittlez drew attention to it so oro didn't have to himself
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A. He was town and hinted a power role stupidly. But we've already established Oro is smart.B. He is scum and playing us like a fiddle.
Uh...
A. Yeah, I'd like to think Oro isn't that dumb. Maybe he didn't understand how popular Death Note is or how obvious that would be if he's trying to soft claim an investigative role, but I don't think A is realistic.
B. How is he playing us like a fiddle if he's the main wagon? That makes absolutely no sense.
C. He could be town trying to draw the mafia NK. Maybe he's a vanilla and wanted to subtly hint at it without having to claim, hoping mafia "catches on" and kills him.
I don't even care at this point, we need a full claim so we can proceed with the rest of the game
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Okay so honestly the fact that this whole DP has revolved around a player's profile picture is stupid. That said I think because of it we've gotten some decent analysis.
Danielle is probably town. I feel like she wouldn't come in and shit on everyone and lead a lynch as mafia. She's both aggressive and skilled enough to do it if she wanted to, but why bother when the DP was floundering and we weren't going anywhere substantive?
Speed is also town for the same reason Danielle townread him. The fake miller claim was bad (sorry speed) but felt like a genuine attempt to get some sort of conversation going. The execution was also bad because why admit it before anyone bothered to really say anything about it, but feels like a townie who is afraid of it getting out of hand.
As far as the profile picture goes, yes, oro has not seen Death Note. That makes it a bit weird that he chose a Death Note character for his profile picture. But Death Note, like I just said, is one of the most popular anime out there and L is the main antagonist. He's not some weird side character. It's not even like he's a secondary character like Near or Mello. The entire plot of the show is a conflict between Light and L. So yes, it's a bit weird, but I disagree that it's as if he plucked some obscure character from a random show.
That is all to say Oro could easily be soft claiming an investigative role. At this point with so much of the focus of the DP being on him he definitely needs to full claim and we can go from there.
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@skittlez09
idk i think this is town oro just cuz counter claiming a cop is a pretty ballsy move for mafia
If we believe that he's mafia and changed his PFP for the sake of a soft claim he would have plenty of ways out of having to cc a cop. He could claim to be any sort of investigative role (cop, tracker, watcher, role cop, etc) or just say he switched it for no reason (that's what I did, I just like Death Note and since Oro was L I went with another character instead)
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@MisterChris
He would have no way of knowing some niche character like L unless that was his role.
Is L not the second most important character in Death Note? Maybe 3rd? Regardless, he's one of the most important characters in one of the most popular anime out there. Like after Naruto and Dragon Ball I'd say that Death Note is probably the most popular, no? This is all to say I would argue that he isn't some niche character. I feel like it'd be the equivalent of like Star Lord in Avengers or something.
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As far as reads, so far I’ve skimmed up to page 6 or so. From what I’ve gathered I just think the tunneling of inactivity on DP1 is kind of pathetic. Nothing says “I’m a weak ass little mafia player with nothing to contribute” than harping on a player who hasn’t even signed on yet. Do better. There is a criteria for tunneling inactivity and I don’t think I meet it - everyone knows that once I’m AWARE the game is on, I am active.
Man, I love Danielle haha
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Man I didn't wanna commit to another game but that ATLA theme is too tempting. /in
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@MisterChris
Yeah I mean I’m not saying it means he’s definitely town, but there’s a clear reason to avoid doing it as scum (there is as town, too, but I guess this kinda rolls with the theory that people are more careful as scum
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