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@Lunatic
We should be lynching waterphoenix at this point. The doc kind of CC's the BP, the night action, plus drafter died conveniently the night after FOSing water. Water is probs scum.
I guess I shouldn't rule it out, but I'd think the only possible partner for Water would be croc in this case. Croc has kinda been afk and he'd be the only person I could see not discussing the fake night actions and allowing that to happen.
So in my opinion the team is either exactly croc/water or water is town
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My reads are looking a little something like this
Town
Supa
Whiteflame
GP
Water
Town
Supa
Whiteflame
GP
Water
and I'm pretty confident in that block tbh, which leaves 2/3 of luantic, croc and pie
So I guess the croc pressure is actually good but I don't like the reasoning behind it
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I'm fine with the discussion of a strongman but I do want to make sure we don't put on blinders and not consider anything else. There may not even be one in the game.
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@Lunatic
I feel like everyone else in the game would have worked out who their fake targets would be if he was mafia fake claiming doc.
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@Speedrace
Okay thank you. Then yeah, Danielle didn’t hide behind GP obviously, lol at how paranoid she was about a strongman.
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That play is so bad that it makes me want to town confirm water. His mafia partner would not let him say that he doctored the BP. Jesus Christ.
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@WaterPhoenix
Bruh
If you thought he's town you'd buy his BP claim, no?
You really protected the bulletproof?
You really protected the bulletproof?
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I have researched a few of the roles, but if mafia had someone like you on their team who was innately familiar with these objects, it would be a pretty big advantage. If you guessed that the redwing would be watcher, you would have had incentive to target drafter. I know you were self admitting to it, but I don't think it's beyond mafia to publicly share information like that if they think it would give them town cred.
Still not worried about whiteflame
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@Speedrace
Wait actually... speed is Danielle weak? Would she have died if she'd hidden behind mafia?
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Hey sorry about the fact that I was afk, I thought DPs were 72 hours. Now that I know I don't care but would lean toward 48 just cause I prefer not to change rules mid-game. I feel much better about whiteflame today. Re-read in the night and think he looks particularly good given Danielle's flip.
Btw going to be lower in activity this DP, going to my girlfriend's place for the weekend. Assuming I'm still alive D3 I'll be firing on all cylinders again.
Also lol at Danielle not hiding behind GP, she must have been really paranoid about that strongman
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@WaterPhoenix
No, Captain America’s shield is used just as often for offensive purposes as it is defensive. Just because it’s a shield doesn’t mean it’s inherently going to be protective. I understand why that would be people’s first instinct but voting me just because “shield must be protective” is dumb from anyone who’s watched the movies
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@Lunatic
That's a lot of protection roles though. I agree, reading about the kimono beads it makes perfect sense with doctor given it was used to heal the Everett Ross, though it could alternate as a JOAT or something since the beads also operate vehicles and other things. Doctor kind of fits best though. That plus the bulletproof makes me think warren should be claiming.unvote, vtl warren
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@whiteflame
Okay cool thanks, guess I wasn't looking at the best one. That's something I hate about fandom, allows too many different entries for the same stuff. Still tentative, but given how supa's is also tentative I guess that it's okay
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Last game I saw him as scum on was mafiascum (I was scum with him), he was extremely active and everyone universally had him as a town read early on. He even got tracked to a night kill and managed to turn the lynch on the tracker and delay his death an extra day phase lol. People here I don't think would have let him get away with that.
I might be combining forum and live games in my head but I think I got away with it in a game here where pressf4respect was my mafia partner
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@whiteflame
Well, we've already got a BP and a doctor, if this is true. I do think Water's character better fits the doctor role than Cap's Shield. Maybe Bodyguard?
Yeah that would be too many protective roles. I buy GP's claim, not so sure about water's. BP/doctor is already more than I'd assume tbh
But yeah I'm not a protective role.
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@Lunatic
Thoughts on waters doctor claim?
If you're asking if I'm doc cause I'm a shield then no, I'm not. I assume that's why you posed this specifically toward me.
If you want my general thoughts I'd say that it's kinda weird because of the justification. Based on the wiki it provides medical knowledge but doesn't actually heal? Is the wiki incomplete or is this a bogus claim? My knowledge of marvel is mostly limited to MCU and tbh I don't remember the names of half these items so it'd be helpful for someone with more knowledge to opine.
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Wouldn’t the square root rule yield an 8-3 scenario?
What's the square root rule? Only rule I've ever heard is 25% rounded down, and 8v3 would violate that rule
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No it wasn't you literally told him to stop lurkingYeah I did...how else would I be getting his attention if he wasn’t lurking?
I'm going to drop it after this because we argue about this same thing every damn game, but lurking is not the same as 0-posting. A 0 poster isn't posting for a reason, usually they haven't seen the game. Voting them doesn't incentivize activity. Lurking is not what he was doing.
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Characters that I'm surprised we did not see in the list (though I can't tell if that's a choice by the mod or just actively hidden by mafia/tp):Anything Spiderman related (expected to see webshooters)Dr. Strange's Cloak of LevitationThe Ant Man suitAnd, of course, the Thanos Copter.
I am of the opinion that Dr. Strange sucks, so I, for one, am happy to see it not in the game
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Also keep in mind: 11 player setups often mean 3 scum or 2 scum and 1 third party. I am getting sick of third parties, hopefully it's just three scum.
I trust speed enough to disregard 3 scum. That's 8v3 so D2 we're at MYLO. It's either 8v2v1 (3P) or it's 9v2
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@ILikePie5
*re drafter vote early*dammit pie, at this point I feel it's not worth arguing yet again but drafter hadn't posted. That's not lurking. That's having not posted. Why did you vote him over the other non-posters?It was random? And I agree I’m not in the mood to argue.
No it wasn't you literally told him to stop lurking
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@Danielle
Who claimed mjolnir? I'm not feigning ignorance -- I've never seen a single Marvel (or any other comic / superhero) movie so I have no idea what you're referring to and have to look everything up. However if you found something, then it looks like the popcorning was useful.Re: Pie focusing on inactives, fo sho he usually does that but there wasn't really anyone inactive. The day phase started last evening and everyone posted by this morning if I remember correctly. Plus I recall him doing that as (lazy) scum. I'm usually the one being pressured lol.At this point, as much as I'd love for everyone to vote Pie for personal satisfaction I'd prefer a claim from Croc or Mikal.
Nobody claimed mjolnir.
Thor is a main character (one of the 3 biggest) and mjolnir is his weapon through most of the movies. It probably isn't a huge deal because like Lunatic said one of his other weapons is included.
Thor is a main character (one of the 3 biggest) and mjolnir is his weapon through most of the movies. It probably isn't a huge deal because like Lunatic said one of his other weapons is included.
I mostly just mentioned it because lunatic said something to the effect of "mjolnir would probably be in the game"
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He said he assumed Pie would be pressuring one of us, not that one of us is necessarily scum.
What Danielle said. I think that pie is probably scum for that reason, and either he knows all of us were town and he didn't pressure us because he knows that and doesn't want to look bad, or his partner is in that group (I know it's not me, if you're town you know it's not you etc. but yeah) and he didn't want to push them. Either way it's a little suspicious from Pie.
I'm not ready to guarantee he's scum for that, in fact I hope I'm wrong and that he's town and has just learned pressuring people who literally haven't posted is stupid. But based on his vote on drafter early (before drafter posted) I dunno
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@WaterPhoenix
Usually he'd be harping on the inactives and pushing them and he didn't here. Makes me think he's mafia and knows that the least active people were town or one of them was a partner
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Unless you're getting their role claim at the same time, then you're still giving them potentially multiple day phases to come up with one and refine it to make it believable.You're right, there is no harm in this completely useless action because it has no impact on the game other than to waste time.But you could say there is some amount of risk into thinking an action has worth when it does not.
Yeah I *mostly* agree with this
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It's the justification between role and character that matters: I would say my character makes sense with my justification. Would you?
Mostly
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@Lunatic
Ok looks like to answer my own question popcorning won out (ish)I'm Cap's Shield
Which means @luna either mjolnir isn't in the game or it's a scum character and they fake claimed something else. Any thoughts regarding that or no?
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Ok looks like to answer my own question popcorning won out (ish)
I'm Cap's Shield
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@drafterman
I didn't agree to it and I still don't agree with it.
I mean it seems like even if you don't agree with it your gripe is that it's useless, not that it's actively harmful
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@drafterman
Otherwise we're just jerking ourselves off here.
Isn't that all anyone on this site/DDO does anyway?
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Wait a second, reading the part where we're discussing Supa's tentative character/role link which I don't care about, he's mod confirmed, I guess it's worth mentioning if you think it might mean people don't mistakenly scumread anyone with a tentative link, but here's my problem:
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVER CLAIM YOUR CHARACTER SUPA?!
Like you could have just waited the entire time. It doesn't matter what your character is. But wait and you might be able to cc someone!
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVER CLAIM YOUR CHARACTER SUPA?!
Like you could have just waited the entire time. It doesn't matter what your character is. But wait and you might be able to cc someone!
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@Lunatic
cat's out of the bag now, but yeah that looks pretty good for pie given that the name aws changed last minute
Meh
Why would you say that? You think (or at least at that point in the game thought) that pie's character was a last second addition? Why couldn't he have been a last second change in role for mafia, and needing to change the character accordingly? I kinda like your thought process even if I disagree with you. Minor town points allocated to you
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When warren and danielle see it, they will participate and it will be quality even if limited somewhat.
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@Danielle
I haven't, did Lunatic's side win out for a mass claim or did you just want my claim specifically? Not fully caught up
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Totallyyou however are ignoring the fuck out of your discord pms while being active on here. Typing to much in the chain pm?
Am I reading this wrong or does he (Mikal/elm) not know that DART PMs can't be group PMs and that he'd be precluded from being scum for that reason?
Any thoughts? Would Mikal fake this?
Any thoughts? Would Mikal fake this?
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@ILikePie5
*re drafter vote early*
dammit pie, at this point I feel it's not worth arguing yet again but drafter hadn't posted. That's not lurking. That's having not posted.
Why did you vote him over the other non-posters?
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Also way busier at work than I thought, it ends up the Tuesday after Cyber Monday is busy in online retail, who knew!
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I love how speed says "don't tag me in votes"
*pie tags him in a vote*
speed: "don't tag me in votes"
*pie tags* "sorry"
*pie tags* "sorry"
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Anyway I’m out for real this time. See y’all on the flip side
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@Lunatic
Yeah I assume it is just a joke cause like tools, hammer, I find myself funny I don’t expect the rest of you to do so
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Mike do you think that they bought me asking about who you were even though we already went over it in scum chat?
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Anyway Supa I’m not concerned that your link is tentative either, especially given you’re innocent child. Not sure why you’re concerned about the link given you’re mod confirmed town.
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Gonna be pissed if Mjolnir isn’t in here given it’s a hammer lmao
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Ok I skimmed, only thing of note is drafter refusing to claim and lunatic disagreeing, which I don’t particularly care about. Again that was a super quick glance over, I’ll actually read during work tomorrow if I get the chance.
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