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@Bullish
I'll channel Captain America here.
This shows my logical thought progression in the moment. Are you not interested in hearing my genuine thoughts and reactions? If not, why?
This shows my logical thought progression in the moment. Are you not interested in hearing my genuine thoughts and reactions? If not, why?
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I'm thinking it's more and more likely that GP, Supa, and singularity are all town. As drafter pointed out (or maybe disc, one pointed it out, the other echoed the sentiment) there is not good reason to assume the game is balanced, and even if it is that doesn't mean we can't have all three be town. Considering every town player has a role, town is probably very overpowered. A way to combat that is have all these roles that could die quickly, giving mafia a more favorable chance numbers-wise.
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@Bullish
Ok and in this scenario where does that put Zemo? TP at BEST. always lynch TP.
Did you miss that 3P can have a joint win with either side? That's a terrible lynch.
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If siranon is scum grey is 100% town. No way he'd actively push back against this notion (which makes decent sense) if they're partnersBecause he forgot to say it at the beginning of the DP. This is in no way mod confirmation. There were all sorts of possible themes other than just antagonists vs. protagonists.
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I hate to use mod psych again on an inexperienced mod but grey is semi-confirmed, or else why would speed just come out and say "there's no theme split."
Decent point from bullish
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@Barney
Hello everyone... the joint probably of me being mafia this many times in a row assures that it is highly unlikely... that said, as unlikely as being scum in so many games in a row, the probability of it having actualized is 1.00, and it is unlikely to have any effect on it unless the roles are not randomly assigned.In any case, I haven’t checked my PM role yet. Nervous and excited to find out if I’m town; and then if so, hopefully it’s confirmed in the end game instead of the graveyard.
Gambler's fallacy... gr...
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@SirAnonymous
Bear with me if I say stuff that seems stupid with your knowledge of what happens later.
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@Vader
This isn't my fault buddy. I just hinted that it is impossible game is this inbalanced
I went in with this assumption since literally everyone has a PR
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Supa/Singularity lover pair is interesting and probably legitimate. I was wondering how singularity had known Supa's role. Yeah GP probably scum here.
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@Vader
Speed doesn't know enough about modding to make a bastard role. No offense but it is his second time modding
Speed is a quick learner and seems pretty smart. Also a role doesn't have to be intentional to be bastard.
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@Greyparrot
@SirAnonymous
A suicidal player dies after a certain point. Nothing can stop them from dying.
Interesting. This almost makes me think GP is a 3P survivor with a suicidal modifier. Grey, if you're 3P out yourself. Since we can have a joint win you can townside and get the dub
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Ok so singularity is right, just got to that post. Disregard my recent conjecture about bullish and siranon.
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@Vader
Wait I just realized something. If your suicidal, how do you win with town? That would for sure be a third party/jester type role where that user would win. he said he wins with townFound itVTL Grey
Suicide bomber can be town-aligned. I think it's usually mafia but it's not like this is a guarantee.
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I also dislike that bullish is saying that it’s good vs bad in 61 then advocating we let everyone know which side of cap/iron man we’re on, as if he might know that’s the thematic split and is pushing an easy Grey Lynch anyway
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@Barney
Thoughts on what I just said in that case?
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I’m posting from my phone while walking to class so I’m too lazy to quote but I’d like to make note of 53 from SirAnon for when we’re able to decipher theme. If it’s Cap and company vs. Iron Man and his side I feel like it might be TMI.
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@oromagi
My behavior should suffice for now. Quit fishing for claims, especially in a game where it’s guaranteed I’m a PR.
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@oromagi
If I were to vote now, based exclusively off pages 1 and 28, it'd be for pie. I'm not stupid enough to do that though, because I don't know what the vote count is and I haven't read the other 26 pages.
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@Vader
I don't drink coffee so I'll have to slog through this without PEDs
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@ILikePie5
VTL Singularity for activity
Why are you calling out one particular player on page 1 of D1? Pie/Singularity scum team for endgame (ha cause avengers get it) cred pls and thanks
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Holy fuck I checked my email and had a ton of emails about being tagged... Looks like I have some catching up to do.
Haven't read jack shit, AMA.
Haven't read jack shit, AMA.
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@Speedrace
When do you think this will begin?
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Will play if shab plays. Pretty busy but would love to have the chance at going head to head with him again.
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@Vader
Sweet. My clan at the moment is The Snack Pack and my old account is Leonidas, I started Leo as a new one. Your advice will hopefully help me get the better one back!
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Good game all. Lunatic I’m a little surprised you still shot me after Grey flipped town, but obviously it was the right move so well done.
Ragnar excellent job finishing the game off especially since drafter came back, it was a pleasure working with you!
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So you think that one of press/ragnar is scum because of them being the last two on the wagon of mafia buddy greyparrot, and that they jumped on to hammer in order to throw suspicion on those not voting?
I think I've correctly interpreted that now?
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@Vader
But they still hammered. Why would you be suspecting them instead of someone not on the wagon?
(I think you’re assuming Grey is scum? The question is predicated on that, so if I’m wrong let me know)
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@Lunatic
Thinking “Hey the only power role in the game claimed D1 without any pressure after already having claimed vanilla. Something feels wrong about that.” is scummy to you?
C’mon man.
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@Greyparrot
Before virt logs on do you have reads or thoughts?
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@Lunatic
Yes vig. When grey flips town because a dumb mislynch was run up on him, make sure to vig kill warren, who actively campaigned against it!
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@PressF4Respect
You still haven't answered why you voted for GP for "scum slipping" when he literally got the number of scum wrong.
It's probably press/ragnar
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@Barney
@PressF4Respect
Which means ragnar hammered...
Ragnar, were you aware of the actual vote count or were you basing your vote on Virt's faulty vote count?
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@PressF4Respect
GP Scumslip (claiming there were 3 scum)
If this is what you're basing it off, how is he possibly scum, when we were explicitly told by mod there were two?
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@Greyparrot
I still think ragnar is the best target. I don't have a read on drafter, so I'm kinda indifferent toward that.
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Just waded through all of D1 looking for the catalyst of Pie's wagon. Couldn't find one. The notable votes were essentially Oro, who voted first, drafer, who was second but long after oro, and lunatic, who hammered.
Willing to bet at least one of the wolves is on the pie wagon
[pie (6/6): oro, supa, drafter, ragnar, grey, lunatic]
Obviously not oro, I still think grey is town.
One or both is within {ragnar, lunatic, drafter, supa}
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@Greyparrot
So you think the team is exactly drafter/press? Unless I'm miscounting?
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@Lunatic
No. At no point have I scumread you for it. It was basically "Maybe I should townread him for this but I also might think he would be tactical enough to ask this as scum, so maybe I shouldn't townread him."
It was essentially me wavering between town and null.
Not sure why I asked you at all, because if you said "yeah that thought might occur to me as scum" I would've been indifferent toward it while if you said "No I would never think of that as scum" I would've been dubious as you'd have an incentive to lie about it as scum, so regardless of your answer I guess it wouldn't affect my read.
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@Barney
So if I just call everyone doofusbreath would that mean I can't be with any of them and are automatically town in your opinion? Cause next time I'm mafia I'll definitely use that ;)
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@Lunatic
Ok so if you're mafia, you know that you get a factional kill. Right?
So if you're mafia, you know the answer to that question.
Therefore, only town should think to ask it, as it'd be a dumb question otherwise. (On MafiaUniverse this is referred to as a dumbtell, because you're oblivious to information you definitely would've had as mafia.)
As a result, I have a bit of a desire to townread you.
HOWEVER
I think it's possible you're smart enough to KNOW that such a question is a "dumbtell" and therefore smart enough to fake one.
Is that making sense?
Essentially, I think that that should be reason to townread you but I respect your abilities as scum too much to write it off as automatically town.
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@Lunatic
Are you tactical enough to come in on day 1 asking if scum has a night kill as scum? I feel like I almost want to townread you for it but I think you're too smart to discount the possibility of trying to get the easy townread there.
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@drafterman
Yeah, but he said that it wasn't a common thing to be in PMs (though it is) I don't know why he'd say that unless he actually believed it. Also the confidence with which he said Supa should know he's town.
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After re-reading his discussion with Supa I'm back to thinking Grey is town.
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