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@Barney
You're one vote away from being lynched. You should probably unvote.
Based on this am I correct in assuming that you think Grey is town? If so, who would your preferred lynch be today?
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@Greyparrot
Then again I was very confident Grey was town based on his discussion with Supa...
Grey, let's talk. Self-voting is scummy, as is your behavior at the beginning of the day. But this wagon ran up really quick and your play yesterday was super town. Why shouldn't I hammer you when you're voting for yourself?
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The fact that a ragnar counterwagon was run up and flipped town is suspicious to me. So is Grey's assumption about who was responsible for which kill.
I'll definitely be voting within those two.
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@Lunatic
I went over this earlier with... Supa I think?
It's risky to do as mafia. The vig will either counterclaim (1 for 1) or, if they were smarter, shoot him in the night. So the 1 for 1 is the best case scenario.
As town it's also risky because he runs the risk of both of those happening still while simultaneously outing the vig. However, it has the potential benefit that his claim draws the NK to him as a vanilla, who has less utility than the vig.
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@oromagi
If he's not the vig he's still more likely to be town
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@Barney
My issue isn't with the "lynch inactives" it was with the "lynch the last person to show up"
Don't like Lunatic's reasoning either but I don't think they're analogous.
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@drafterman
Why though? He has come on and said he'll be more active in the meantime. Is it inactivity, and if so why do you not expect him to make good on his word, or is it because he was allegedly lurking?
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@drafterman
His plan is opportunistic. Who do you propose lynching instead?
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@drafterman
No, drafter! That's dumb! He can only shoot ragnar![He] could, you know, shoot someone else.
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Let's just lynch ragnar and speed can shoot someone else in the night.
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Can we not have this discussion of meta now? Feels pointless.
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@Speedrace
Noted.
I personally usually think it's more townie when people do it but feel like that's something people are split on.
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This discussion is pointless, it doesn't need to be completely random. You can just pick someone and vote them. Or you can wait until you get some behavioral analysis. Doesn't matter.
The point is that the way ragnar went about it was kinda opportunistic.
Speed, what do you make of his seeming indifference toward our votes on him?
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I'm definitely not defending speed's decision. But I think it's definitely town.
Unless he's trying to draw the night kill, in which case it's a good play.
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@Vader
It's stupid. I agree. But there's very little chance he lives as mafia. It's more stupid to claim as mafia.
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Supa what are you saying? He voted for ragnar, implying he'd like to kill him today, but if we don't, he says he'll go ahead and shoot him in the night.
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@ILikePie5
It's confirmed that there is a vig, so no, he could theoretically lying and we still have two deaths.
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@Vader
I don't think he's lying, but if he was I think it's more likely that he's town trying to draw the NK.
Think about it. Speed is *very likely* to die tonight. If he's mafia, there's a decent chance that the actual vig kills him, if he's town mafia is probably going to kill him. I don't think it's smart to make the claim as mafia considering he's very likely going to die within tonight/tomorrow.
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@drafterman
It's defeatist because you're resigned to lynching randomly already. It is much preferable to have a non-random lynch. I'd like to think our chances of catching scum go up, and if we fail we are able to analyze the wagons and gain information.
For example, with the information speed gave regarding ragnar's competence, I think that's far better than a random lynch, as his push to lynch the last person on seems quite opportunistic.
VTL Ragnar
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@Barney
I'm not saying it's scummy to lynch D1, I'm asking why you think being the last to show is scummy
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@drafterman
Yes, defeatist, as you're suggesting a random lynch. What information does that get us?
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@Barney
On that note, since everyone is here, do you still want to lynch water since they were last to show? If so, why is that scummy?
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@drafterman
There really isn't any behavior to go one. So at this point it's either going to be RL or NL at this point.
I thought this was ragnar at first (your pics are somewhat similar) and I was going to again consider giving him the benefit of the doubt as a noob, but it concerns me a bit that it was you. We're less than 24 hours into the DP and you're seeming relatively defeatist already. We have 48 hours to work with, and resigning to this way of thinking means that we absolutely won't get a good lynch because you don't want to try to get one.
What do you make of his discussion of simply lynching the last person to show?
Do you think Supa's defense of his scum play is alignment-indicative?
Do you think Supa's defense of his scum play is alignment-indicative?
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@PressF4Respect
if we simply run off of the “scummy play = scum”, we might Lynch many town before we get to scum
Then what do you propose we do? In this setup it's more important than pretty much any other DART game to use behavior analysis.
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@Barney
Pros: We get information. How people interact with certain "wagons" and lynch candidates. I find this stuff useful. Potential to lynch a scum playe
Cons: Potential to lynch a town player
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@PressF4Respect
Yes. Though I'm always in favor of D1 lynches.
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@PressF4Respect
Depends, are you intermittent fasting?
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To anyone:
- What do you think about Ragnar's plan to lynch the last person to log on? I'm inclined to give him a pass since he's noob-ish but think it's kinda scummy.
- What do you make of Supa's adamant defense of his scum play? Do you think he'd be more likely to do that as town or scum? Or is it NAI (not alignment indicative)?
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@drafterman
Yeah I think Lunatic was getting paranoid or something. I dunno.
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@Lunatic
I'm assuming that the vig gets a kill and mafia gets a factional kill. I haven't seen this on MU but I've seen a similar setup. Otherwise mafia has to drive a ton of mislynches and the vig is super OP relative to the rest of the players.
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@Barney
When the list reaches only 1 below the divider, we simply VTL that person. Granted this only gives an estimated 18% chance of catching a scum.
Gonna veto the fuck outta this. Lynching inactives is meh. I personally don't like to do it, but others do.
Auto-lynching the last person to post is a terrible idea though.
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@Barney
We have one "special role" in the form of the vigilante, who can shoot another player each night. From there, it's all about deduction based on behavior, night kills, etc.
Some people would argue it's rolling the dice, but as you play more you'll be able to pick up on subtleties that only town players do or are more likely that scum players do.
Looks like I'm behind, do you have any thoughts so far on other players' behavior?
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@Lunatic
Why would the town vig get to decide the night kill?
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@David
Huh. Never seen a 9-er on MU before. Guess I'm just not paying attention.
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/in
Has a cop 9-er been done before? Feel like that might be OP for town?
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This is a terrible idea. Would absolutely love to do a debate on this.
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Had a TH10 near maxed, got a new phone, didn't transfer, stopped playing for two years, now I'm starting over. Hope I can get access to my old account.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
I'll /in for the team, if you guys would like to join make an account and post that you're going to be on my team in the signup thread
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@ILikePie5
Starts next Monday. Days are 36 hours, nights are 12.
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@Lunatic
Giving you a ping based on your comment in OBSM signup thread
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Hey guys,
There's a team mafia game in signups on Mafia Universe. Basically each DP a new player from your team subs into a slot. Other sites are doing teams comprised of folks from their own site. Anyone want to do a DART team?
Would be fun and a nice way for a group of us to work on our skills together!
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