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@Lunatic
We need to no lunch here
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And I kinda have to just trust speed
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I guess it’s probably drafter. I don’t think it’s lunatic.
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Is there any way to check when lunatic was last online and we can lock clear him
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Why the FUCK did you guys hammer before the cop was able to post
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@Speedrace
I would argue hard and if it came to it pull "I'm the one alive it's my call"
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@drafterman
Bullish is. Not me.
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@Lunatic
Is this in reference to my role claim or character claim?
The former I claimed because I thought that my claim would be accepted at face value. How naive. Then if bullish had two innocents (or even better a guilty) it's gg. I was excited that if I outted that I was deputy before cop outted I was basically guaranteeing that I was the deputy, so it was as good as solved. Turns out not so much.
The former I claimed because I thought that my claim would be accepted at face value. How naive. Then if bullish had two innocents (or even better a guilty) it's gg. I was excited that if I outted that I was deputy before cop outted I was basically guaranteeing that I was the deputy, so it was as good as solved. Turns out not so much.
Character I claimed because I felt like being open at that point was the best play and it'd give something to work with for town as far as my presence in the game.
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@Lunatic
Would you put it past water to not know the vote count
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@drafterman
Okay, so you agree that I'm doing the same thing to someone who's confirmed town, so you shouldn't be scumreading me for doing it to grey? If not what's the purpose of pointing this out.
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I'll ignore the fact that this is WIFOM and indulge you because you just proved my own point on why you wouldn't have killed me. You yourself said you don't fear a 1x role, which is also me. And for a bit of reverse WIFOM, it seemed at the end of last day phase I would pursue drafter today. If scum thought I would help them with a mislynch, they would 100% leave me alive. It's exactly the reason I planted that seed that I thought drafter was behind the kill.
Let's assume I'm scum.
I wouldn't fear your role, I'd fear that 1. you're a good player and 2. you're widely townread.
I think you're a better player than supa (no offense supa, lunatic is good) and he wasn't widely townread. So what, I should be afraid of him because he had a 1x role? No.
The role alone isn't why I wouldn't kill him, that was just in regards to you saying mafia was probably PR hunting
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I'll vote myself, but Bullish wanted to put together thoughts, please don't end this before the cop is able to do share his thoughts with the thread.
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@Speedrace
I would not let that happen. If I'm making the kill it's lunatic, maybe you or drafter. He's essentially locked town and good at the game and an active presence in the thread.
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@Lunatic
For the record if Bullish is killed I don't get to investigate until the following night. I clarified with Pie, I can only investigate the night phase following the death of the cop (so if we lynched the cop D1 I'd get one that night, if the cop is killed N1, I get one N2, etc)
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@Lunatic
Because he was a potential mislynch and there are way better kills based on how hard you, for one, pushed whiteflame D1.
Supa had openly claimed to be 1x. I don't fear any 1x role, especially if, as you seem to agree, I knew there was a cop from the beginning of the game.
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@Lunatic
Let's be real here.
You know I don't make that Supa kill. He had a 1x role so I'm not scared of his role. He hadn't done a whole lot so I'm not scared of his thread presence. If I'm scum I'm killing you, speed, or drafter, full stop. You guys were pretty clearly town by EOD1. Why the fuck would I kill Supa.
I'm simultaneously trying to use some flattery and begging for respect for my play that I'd kill the people that were obvious town rather than a person who'd claimed a 1x role that was a potential mislynch target.
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@WaterPhoenix
Bullish should be confirmed because he's claiming cop and my role necessitates a cop. So even if he's lying then it doesn't make sense that I'd also be lying, there aren't two mafia left. And even if I'm lying then Bullish isn't, for the same reason.
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I almost want to be lynched today out of pride not being the game losing mislynch if water is town lmao
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Alright tbh this is a last ditch argument and is super WIFOM but I'm hoping Lunatic, speed, and Bullish will buy it.
I would not make that Supa kill. Bullish posting about it reminded me of how dumb a kill that was. WF and GP had input on it so I guess I shouldn't assume it's water based on the kill, but I definitely don't think that it was speed.
I guess for me it's down to water, then if not him maybe one of speed/drafter? But I've pretty much decided it's gotta be water.
VTL WaterPhoenix
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@drafterman
Well obviously target Bullish in case, but I imagine he probably dies. Maybe speed though, who knows.
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Exactly. Yet you held off hammering scum to avoid looking like you were waffling. That's, like, my entire point.
No, if I had hammered I wouldn't have been waffling. I didn't hammer so it looked like I was, and I acknowledged that.
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Great. Well, that fucking sucks. Good news is between me and bullish we’ll get at least one more investigation since mafia have to kill speed
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@drafterman
I... completely agree with what you said, not sure how I’m trying to “change history” the only part I disagree with is having an immediate thought of “well they probably won’t like this” is scummy. That’s stupid and you know it. If you’re trying to tell me you’ve *never* been worried about looking scummy as town you’re a liar. That shouldn’t be a main concern, and should come second to catching scum.
In this case I wanted to wait to discuss, because although I thought GP was scum, I felt the best way to maximize our utility of the DP was more discussion than we got. I *was* looking to scum hunt.
Essentially this boils down to I know these players and I know what their reaction will be. If I flip town you’ll know that I was right, if my allegiance isn’t revealed until endgame you’ll find out then. But I don’t care. I’m not changing your mind and I know I’m right so whatever.
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@drafterman
1. Because people can bus? In fact I’d bet that the last scum is on the wagon. But what you argue is another good point, we don’t know if the people not on the wagon were actually against it or why they didn’t vote.
2. This is fucking moronic because you’re looking at it knowing the flip, which I didn’t at the time. This is stupid, fuck off.
3. That’s not what I was saying I was thinking about. “As far as” signaled the start of a new thought. Again, it was an immediate thought which you know is true. Because the MAIN reason people jumped on me at the beginning of the day was the waffling, not the fact that I had pre-emoted it. I, like you, have played with some of these people for up to 5 years. I know what they’d immediately jump to and I spent approximately 3 seconds thinking of it.
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@Lunatic
Bro in post 15 you asked for my character. It’s okay you didn’t read my 5-10 posts D1
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@Speedrace
Claim something that doesn’t give mafia incentive to kill you then. Dammit speed. BP, beloved princess, there are plenty of good things you could have lied about
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@Lunatic
Anyway, regardless drafter, this is not 7v3v1. If lunatic is 3P then he’s the last non-town player, if I’m mafia, I’m the last non-town player, or, what I think, he’s town and I know I am. Republican/Democrat isn’t the split
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@drafterman
Talk to them about a variety of things. People piled onto the wagon without justification from many of them. As a result we don’t know why they voted GP and it’s easy for them to parrot (ha) talking points now that he’s flipped.
Talk about what happens if he’s town. Talk about what happens if he’s scum. Talk more about general reads than everyone immediately jumping on him and calling it a day. We barely discussed the implications of D1.
That’s valuable conversation. As far as “that’s still too long” if thinking about it for about 3 seconds is too long then yeah I guess I thought about it too long
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@Lunatic
I’m not saying I posted a manifesto that solved the game but you didn’t know anything about that or the fact that I had character claimed immediately. You didn’t read what I posted; that is clear. I didn’t post much. That can also be true.
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For example, lunatic clearly hadn’t read anything I posted D1. I hadn’t read most of what anyone had posted D1. I wanted to talk to people in real time some more, which is why I didn’t want to hammer.
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@drafterman
I understand that thinking about your appearance is scum-thinking. I didn’t put excessive thought into it. It was something that came to mind immediately. That probably doesn’t do much to help your opinion on me, but that was an immediate thought, not something I sat on.
More discussion. I was relatively confident that he’d be scum but wasn’t sure, and wanted to actually discuss more. But I immediately thought “town will jump on this tomorrow.” So I looked to preempt it.
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Lunatic, speed, bullish. Am I not generally pro using all our time in live mafia?
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@drafterman
Yes, it does. Because it knows that this is exactly what would happen. I know that DART players would latch on to something dumb like that and wanted to preempt it. It’s all WIFOM, but that’s one thing I like way better about MU is deadline lunches so DPs aren’t over in 1/3 or less of the total length
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@drafterman
Thank god I don’t play there, that’s fucking insane. 7v3v1 gives town one mislynch before LYLO depending on the 3P’s wincon. I’d never touch a Pie game again.
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@drafterman
Please tell me why I’m “clearly” mafia. Because I didn’t get told I was even in the game and then didn’t want to rush a lunch D2? That’s literally the entire case against me right now.
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@drafterman
You really think that this game is 7v3v1
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@Lunatic
Your character is batshit crazy. QAnon level shit.
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@drafterman
Lunatic and I both have claimed GOP characters so that’s not the split
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@Lunatic
I wanted you to kill the cop for the meme of me posting the song “I Shot the Sheriff” (but I didn’t shoot the deputy) by Bob Marley because that would’ve been a fun way to hint at my role
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Anyway, got some errands to run, be back later
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Side note I was really hoping Lunatic would hit the cop with his vig shot so I could post "I Shot the Sheriff" to hint at my role (also to become the cop, that'd be sweet)
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Oh and there's a decent chance that the cop is Steve Scalise, cause he's mentioned in my PM as the guy who appointed me
I feel like if this is the case it makes me look considerably better
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@Lunatic
But you also said you wouldn't necessarily trust the cop's results at this point
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Oh and there's a decent chance that the cop is Steve Scalise, cause he's mentioned in my PM as the guy who appointed me
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The exact wording of his role in the House was "Chief Deputy Whip" per my PM.
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@Speedrace
Cause I was the deputy minority whip, which I included when I claimed
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@Lunatic
What do you think of the fact that D2 GP immediately said "you killed Mikal because he suspected you" to me
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@Lunatic
You really think Mafia has an ascetic who also gets told who investigative roles are AND a godfather/framer/lawyer?
Also FWIW thematically lawyer makes the most sense
Also FWIW thematically lawyer makes the most sense
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I think that my deputy claim should be worth something, especially after a tracker flips that can be the investigative role that would be able to target GP (though weak)
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