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@Wylted
I'm not sure where you're getting a 1 in 5000 risk of dying from one of these vaccines. The circumstances I laid out assume much higher odds of dying from vaccination than the data we have would ever suggest and that number is more like 1 in 32000 (and recall that that includes the 5X multiplier assumption, without which that number would shoot up to 1 in 160000). I can't speak to your specific circumstances when it comes to both behavior and likelihood of getting ill (neither of which suggest to me that you will never come in contact with someone who has the disease, or that if you do you won't contract it - you seem like you're relying on a perception of virtual immunity that may not be fully warranted), but depending on where you live, odds can still be quite substantial that you would contract the disease if you weren't vaccinated. Odds are favorable for you to survive it. I'd say the odds are even more favorable for you to survive vaccination based on the same circumstances of age group, fitness and lack of risk factors. When it comes to determining which of these scenarios is virtually zero risk, vaccination seems like the obvious answer to me.
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@Wylted
So, among other problems with this is that every case here is correlative at best. I say “at best” because it’s not particularly verifiable that these people received their vaccinations at all, let alone shortly before they died, nor whether they were suffering from any other ailments. Neither of the websites you’re using are known for curating their stories (i.e. verifying their accuracy), and I can’t find much indication that they are posted elsewhere.
All that being said, even if these are verifiable instances of death resulting from vaccination with no complicating factors, they represent a very small proportion of those receiving the vaccine. The highest possible estimates for deaths resulting from vaccines that I have seen (taken from VAERS and incorporating all instances where someone reported a death after vaccination) is somewhere around a thousand. Let’s assume that number is actually representative of vaccine-caused deaths. Hell, let’s do one better and assume that that represents only a fifth of all actual deaths from vaccination. 161 million people have been fully vaccinated in the US. Excluding everyone who is partially vaccinated, that extremely generous 5000 person death toll represents 0.00003% of those vaccinated. Contrast this with COVID-19, where the number of new cases trends around 25,000 per day and the number of deaths around 265 per day. Whether we’re talking about total numbers of deaths per the infection rate or even just total deaths from COVID-19 entirely absent the infection rate, the numbers are substantially higher from infections. Mortality rates from viral infection, by any metric, far exceed any suspected risk from the vaccine.
At worst, what you’re presenting here is a set of concerns about the vaccines that warrant caution to ensure that doctors can screen patients for conditions they may contribute to adverse events like these. The vaccine still saves far more lives than even the worst metrics indicate it destroys, and those metrics assume both that correlation always equals causation and that there are many unreported vaccine-related deaths.
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@Lunatic
Thanks. Honestly a little weird to be doing it again, but happy to do it.
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@Lunatic
during the height of the pandemic he thought we should prioritize the lives of elderly whites over poor working class blacks, whose lives were made worse by shut downs.
Or this I guess.
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@Lunatic
Pretty sure the answer to both of those is that I’m a moderator now.
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I’m attending a wedding today so I might not have a lot of time to post until tomorrow. Still, I will either find a way to contribute or make one.
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@sadolite
A disclaimer on the Vaers website notes that data “may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information” and “cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency or rates of problems associated with vaccines.”
The CDC says it has investigated the 4,000-plus reports of death from Covid-19 vaccines through May 10 and found no “causal link” to any Covid-19 vaccine, though “recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between” the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and a “rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.”
Vaers “is simply a system for people to report bad things that happen to them after vaccination, whether or not those events are caused by the vaccine,” Dr. William Moss, executive director of the International Vaccine Access Center at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Forbes.
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@Wylted
Sounds like wanton speculation to me. By that metric, any treatment, intervention or preventative measure is of similar risk because we’ll never be able to detect these harms.
I don’t find the analogies very convincing. These vaccines utilize natural immune responses by introducing something innocuous that the immune system can recognize. That’s a system we understand quite well, very distinct from the Dr. Frankenstein story. I’d say that introducing an effective delivery system for that antigen has very little in common with introducing a non-native animal into a novel environment, especially as the latter has more to do with disrupting ecosystems, while the former just introduces another target for the immune system to recognize among the many it already does. These kinds of comparisons strike me as demonizing a technology by twisting its function rather than addressing how it actually works.
As for your response on “the establishment”, I’ve said what I’m going to say there. I’m still unclear on who they are and why you appear to believe that everyone suffering from ill effects of these vaccines would keep it quiet. Those are both conspiracies on a level that requires mass buy-in to a degree that I, frankly, don’t believe exists on any issue, much less one as politically-charged as this.
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@Wylted
The vaccines were experimental. I don't think they are anymore. If your concern is about what happens 25 years down the line, then I'd have to ask what makes you think anything in the vaccine lasts that long in our bodies. Asbestos has an inherently long latency period because they lodge in the lungs where they eventually cause a lot of scarring as a result of immune responses to a foreign material. Pieces of asbestos may be expelled, but many just sit there and don't disappear. By contrast, the mRNA and its products last for about 72 hours before being eliminated from the body. So, you're right that we can't know what will happen in 25 years, but it's also important to consider whether those long term effects are at all likely based on what we do know. If we know that there are no remaining traces of the vaccine after a few days, then it's reasonable to question why we should concern ourselves with the negative effects of the vaccine 25 years down the line.
As for causing "virtually undetectable side effects", I honestly don't understand this argument. Setting aside that the actual impact of the so-called "warrior gene" on aggressive behavior is still up for debate despite expansive research (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-021-01257-2), I find myself baffled by this point because, if the concern is that there may be all manner of undetectable effects, then why aren't you attributing the same potential harms to the virus itself? We're talking about far more than an individual protein being expressed from SARS-CoV-2, which makes any effects it has on us far more multifaceted and complex than what the vaccine could do. I'm not dismissing the potential for the vaccine to cause some form of difficult-to-detect harm, but I'm honestly wondering why this potential harm is unique to the vaccine.
As for the "establishment" somehow hiding "certain effects", I've never understood this argument. Who is the establishment and how could they possibly hide any and all negative side effects across a massive, several hundred million person population spanning multiple countries? The existence of bias in the medical establishment for getting the vaccine doesn't somehow erase the individual's capacity to make very public any symptoms they're having, and if there were enough to present a substantial concern, then I don't see how any amount of bias could stop that information from leaking out. My view is that there is a problem with people making a huge deal out of harms that haven't happened or been proven to result from these vaccines. We're seeing that right now. That doesn't mean that doctors are actively trying to suppress information on actual and substantial harms that exist, since those tend to be sticking points when it comes to future care.
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@RationalMadman
I don't know what you think you understand based on this article, but it's not saying what you think it's saying.
The article is talking about certain mRNAs differentially modifying gene expression (depending on the cell type, it might boost or restrict that expression) based on the incorporation of specific epigenetic markers (in this case, m6a). Setting aside the fact that no such markers exist on the mRNAs used in these vaccines (it's unclear why they would even try this) and assuming they are there, that's not genetic modification. There is no genetic change occurring as a result of these markers, just a change in gene expression levels. That can be consequential as well, but in order to make any kind of gene expression changes, the mRNA sequence that's being introduced has to have a corollary in the genome (i.e. a site that looks a lot like the actual sequence), otherwise the presence of any epigenetic marker isn't going to do anything of consequence. This is a problem for your argument because the specific sequence we're talking about (the one that expresses the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein) doesn't have any sequences like it in the human genome, meaning that even if it had this particular epigenetic marker, it wouldn't do anything to modify gene expression in human cells.
So I'm not sure where you think I'm lying about mRNA's capabilities, but you certainly seem a tad disingenuous when it comes to your interpretation of papers like this. Based on my reading of this and other work, it's pretty clear that mRNA can do a lot, but that doesn't mean that you can impose magical qualities on it. The fairy tale is believing that it can modify your genome. There's no evidence for it.
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@sadolite
This isn’t opinion based. I read the research and studied the results obtained from trials. That’s data.
Time is telling. If you’re right that the vaccines present such a massive danger, then there should be widespread harms occurring right now. The supposed risks you’re talking about aren’t happening on even a scale akin to the one you’re claiming for the virus (which, depending on many factors, can increase dramatically). Thousands of people are still dying every week from the virus in the US. The same cannot be said for the vaccine.
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@sadolite
But those did not alter my DNA. That technology didn't exist.
Nor is it used in vaccines today. mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA.
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@sadolite
I disagree that all vaccines are experimental. I also disagree that the time frame need be long in order to determine whether a vaccine is either safe or effective. The fact that it was approved via emergency use authorization does not make it experimental.
Anthony Fauci doesn't dictate public policy by his lonesome. The mandates that he supports haven't and almost certainly won't become reality, even after it's fully approved.
I don't consider myself a guinea pig because I've read up extensively on the science behind these vaccines including the trials and understand both how they theoretically and actually work. If that's how you see me, then I suppose that's your prerogative, though I find it odd that you consider the well-established risks of the virus so much less than the virtually nonexistent risks of the vaccine. If you want to take the risks of the virus, you're welcome to do so. No one's forcing you to do anything.
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@Wylted
...What's your point? That the scientific community has made mistakes in the past? I'm not contesting that there have been issues with what the scientific community has produced in the past. I'm not even saying that they are consistently rigorous today, so I'm not sure what this has to do with anything I've said.
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@sadolite
Considering no one has forced you to take it, I don't know where you're getting that, nor do I understand how the vaccine is experimental when it's undergone such rigorous testing. But honestly, considering that your point incorporated factually inaccurate information about how the vaccine works (and you were apparently trying to say that the law outright condones ownership of other humans via gene patenting, a point you seem all too willing to declare unimportant now that the government can apparently grant whatever it wants regardless of existing patent law), it's not just about what the government chooses to allow. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to generate nonexistent facts.
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@sadolite
...I'm sorry, what?
First off, what is a "natural human" in your estimation? Is it someone without any DNA modifications or insertions? Because that kind of person doesn't exist. The notion that you suddenly cease to be a natural human on the basis that there is some stretch of DNA that was modified by a treatment or infection of any sort would render the entirety of humanity unnatural.
Second, your understanding of this patenting law is more than a little problematic. Look at the article more closely - it says that the specific gene sequence is patentable, not that the entire organism in which the sequence now resides is suddenly under patent. The goal of this type of patenting system is to protect the intellectual property of the gene sequence so that other people can't just steal it and put it to their own uses. Sometimes, that is associated with a lot of work in a given plant or animal, but even then, the patent is on the genetic sequence, not on the organism.
Third, and I'll point this out again, it does not alter the human genome. The production of cDNA in very small amounts from the vaccine mRNA does in no way rewrite our genomes, and as such, doesn't change anything about our "natural" DNA. By this logic, any introduction of RNA into our system is rewriting our DNA because it can all be reverse transcribed.
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@janesix
I'll take your word for it.
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Boo ya. Well played, Luna. Almost had me in the end.
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Well, now it's virtually guaranteed to end in a NL. Hopefully we get more out of the next DP when it's down to just three of us.
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Alright, a lot of thoughts I'm putting together in one post.
While I agree that the Governor role is a good fit for Armstrong (I don't think the fact that he can't apply it to himself stands out), it doesn't change my perspective. We already had one scum claim a role and character that fit together neatly, so I don't think good fit should decide this. It's possible that we're overthinking this, but based on the claims, it's clear that at least two of the three - Cop, Vig and BP - are in this game and also just so happen to be roles in MC's JOAT. If Lunatic is right that Earth is scum, then it would only be the Cop and Vig. Assuming that's true, that would also mean that Supa only put one protective role on a JOAT for town, which is unusual in a game with so many PRs. All of that I could accept as plausible.
What I can't accept is that Alphonse Elric was given as a fake claim to scum. Earth claimed Alphonse in DP2, early enough that he had to believe he was secure in providing that claim (4 other people had not character claimed up to this point and this is one of only two main characters, so the claim would have been at extremely high risk of being CC'd), which means it is either his actual claim or it was given to him by Supa as a fake claim. If it's the latter, especially given the knowledge that Edward is in this game and is town, that would be bastard modding to a degree I've never seen before. I just don't buy it. It's a weird choice that Lunatic is not justifying beyond just saying that he did it by POE. I'm sure it's more an issue of the time he can actually devote to this than actual laziness, but I can't understand where he's coming from.
Honestly, I'd have an easier time buying it if he went after badger because I could at least see some behavioral reasons to sus him from DP2. There's also the fact that we already have a known Tracker in this game, as well as a JOAT with a 1X Cop. Especially given the now known absence of a Miller, I wouldn't be too surprised if that was all the informational roles we had. The borderline character choice of Hohenheim and its weak connection to the role also stood out to me. I do think that badger's behavior this DP looks pretty town, though that may just be compensating in the other direction to protect himself. The presence of a Framer and Lawyer JOAT on scum may actually be explained by something he said in the last DP: after the game was pruned, the Cop may have been eliminated, but the roles of the scum JOAT were kept the same.
As I see it, this is clearly a decision between Lunatic and badger, and I see reasons to favor either one, though I think Luna's are more circumstantial. I know he's busy and I suspect that, even so, if he was scum, he'd be doing a better job trying to get us to vote on anyone else. The only behavior from badger that's strange in the context of him being scum is that he claimed Lunatic was innocent, but while I'm still a bit torn on this decision, I think too much points in his direction for me to ignore. Maybe it's just the lack of play from Lunatic that's making it harder to read him as sus, but right now, I'm going with where I started in this DP.
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I suspect we'll end up with a no lynch this DP. If that ends up happening, fine, but we have the next 6+ hours, and I'd like to at least have some substantial discussion of who everyone else is considering and why.
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@Lunatic
Ball’s in your court. Full claim. Until then,
VTL Lunatic
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@Earth
We’re going to need everyone on the same page here in order to get a lynch. What are your thoughts? Both Badger and I want a full claim from Lunatic.
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@badger
I know you said you’d be busy last night, but would really appreciate your impressions of Earth vs Lunatic at this point.
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I know that both MisterChris and SupaDudz will do well in their positions. It's been a long time since I've been a vote mod, but I will endeavor to rise to the challenge.
Thank you to both David/Virtuoso and Ragnar. You guys have done a lot for the site, and knowing how busy each of you are elsewhere, it's quite the feat that you were able to persist for this long as moderators. We will continue to appreciate your advice and assistance in the future.
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@Lunatic
I'm not saying that the character clears Earth, though that being one of only two main characters in this show, along with the evidence that Edward was here, makes the claim alone far less suspect than either yours or badger's, both of which are borderline choices among the few we have remaining. His being Bulletproof also shows a symmetry with my Vig role and badger's Cop role, both of which mirror Chris's JOAT roles. It also makes sense to have a full-time protective role rather than just a JOAT with a vest. I can't say I've seen any odd behavior on Earth's part, either, since this is consistent with his behavior in past games. It seems as though your only basis for suspecting him is that he has a role that can't be confirmed, whereas I've confirmed mine and badger has attempted to confirm himself through his choices (though determining whether his results actually confirm him is another story entirely). I guess if I were in your shoes, I might be thinking pretty similarly.
But as things stand right now, you look like the outlier. The only real oddity among the roles that have been revealed has been the Messenger, which only seemed to introduce more doubt rather than providing any meaningful benefit, but was at least focused on delivering information (even if there's no reason to suspect that the Messenger would have any...). This at least appears to be an investigative role-heavy game, with a Tracker, Cop and a JOAT with a 1X Cop. I have an inkling of what your soft-claiming your role as, assuming I'm not misreading you, but it both seems like an odd choice for the character and even more of an outlier of a role than the Messenger role. Maybe I'm wrong, though I won't know that unless you're willing to just claim your role. I'm also not as convinced by your character claim as I was initially.
Still, I want to get badger's and Earth's opinions on this. I personally want the full claim and at this stage I do think it's warranted, despite the risk Lunatic is intimating.
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@Vader
Since it sounds like we wouldn’t get the required votes to do anything without it, I’d say an extension is warranted if you’re willing to grant it.
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@Lunatic
Honestly, I have a harder time believing it’s Earth. Can’t see a way by which Alphonse wouldn’t be in this game along with his brother, who we already know was in this game. It’s possible that he got pruned in the process of bringing the numbers down, but I think the likelihood of that is lower than with either Hohenheim or Armstrong. Maybe I’m too focused on theme here, but that’s how I see it.
I’ll give the rest of your post some thought after I get off work.
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@Lunatic
I'm sure you're pretty busy, but I noticed you've at least peeked in a couple of times. Might not have had time to post, but we can't really move forward until we have your full claim. Would appreciate getting that whenever you get a chance.
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@badger
Yeah, I'd say that it's unlikely, though given the diversity of town roles, I wouldn't be surprised to see a stacked scum pair.
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I wouldn't say that either of your selections have been odd, though a point against this is that you claimed to Cop Lunatic innocent, which would be an odd choice if you were trying to make him the target of the lynch. Could be a WIFOM situation, since you were claiming that Bradley is one of the scum and would almost certainly be the Godfather (I agree that he would, though now I'm not sure if it would be Bradley or Father), in which case he would Cop innocent, which is what you're using as your basis for saying we should target him now. It's more convoluted and I have a harder time believing that you went through that trouble instead of just claiming that you copped him guilty, but still possible. There is the factor that they had a JOAT with 1X Lawyer and 1X Framer, which may suggest that we have more than just a 1X Cop as part of a JOAT role, which I'm also considering. As for that quote, no, I don't see that as obvious. I would have frankly been shocked if you chose anyone else to visit after you made quite clear that you saw me as sus in DP1. All this quote tells me is that he was also unsurprised and, as a separate thought, that Chris was an obvious target for the NK. Maybe there's a hidden link between these two, but I don't see it.
Still, I'm chewing over this information. Most of what I have with regards to Lunatic is behavioral, given the lack of a role up to this point and the delayed claim. He was confrontational with Pie in the last DP, but notably didn't VTL him at any point despite airing some suspicions. It's odd that two scum partners in the same chat didn't make the same mistake regarding including the rank of their characters in their names, but I suppose that's not terribly surprising given that the name could have just been grabbed from the list of characters I posted in DP1.
So, yeah, still considering.
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@badger
Plausible, but hard to say what he meant by that. He was clearly hiding in the Tracker role, and could have used it on you, but it’s also likely that he just anticipated a Cop being in the game and trusted you because you weren’t CC’d. He clearly targeted someone during NP1, and found that there was little reason to tell us the result formally. I’m not ruling it out, but I don’t find that convincing in and of itself.
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@Lunatic
Definitely gonna need that full claim when you get on.
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@badger
I'm fairly sure this game is doomed and whiteflame's gonna tunnel me till the end, but either way, I want to know what night actions occurred. I'm curious why Earth wasn't on Wylted.
I'm willing to consider reasons to look at someone else. Right now, the only one I have any reservations about beyond you is Lunatic, since he claimed last and, thus, had his pick of safe claims. I'd have a lot more reason to disbelieve him if he made the same mistake as Pie did and included the rank of the character, but there's no "Major" before his character claim. That being said, I'm willing to wait on getting a full claim from him for the time being.
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As for Earth, remember that his role is Bulletproof, not Bodyguard.
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@badger
I agree that many of these games are not about a particular theme, but I'll point out that my theme analysis was on point in this case. Not saying I can't be wrong to approach games this way (I've been burned before), but I think being dismissive of it ignores what has happened in this game. Not sure what makes you think I'm not chill about this (if I came off as upset, that wasn't my intention), but I do take the game seriously.
And yes, I mentioned that Pie plays these things super ballsy. He's gotten me before by doing that.
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Hey guys. I'm a 1X Vig and I shot Pie. Have a half dozen reasons for selecting him as the target, but the obvious ones are the factors I already discussed: his character was a clear outlier and his justification was too on-the-nose as compared with every other one we've seen. I realized as well before I made my decision that his claim included Maria Ross's rank, something that was absent from both my and Lunatic's character claims.
I think it's pretty obvious that badger is his scum partner. He defended Pie adamantly through the last DP on flimsy bases, has claimed a character that seems like a greater outlier than any of those remaining (Hohenheim is key at the end of the series, but he takes a background role throughout much of it, and by the point he claimed, it was a pretty safe bet), and his role does not fit his character. It would mean that we are absent a claimed cop, but given that we now know we had a Tracker and a JOAT with a 1X Cop, I don't see that as problematic.
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Well, it’s clearly a bit late for me to weigh in (had a long drive yesterday and just collapsed when I got home), but the messenger claim is certainly an odd one, if somewhat appropriate for the character. I will say that Riza isn’t mentioned in my justification. Didn’t think much of it until Poly claimed that Roy was mentioned in his PM. The lynch makes sense to me.
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Honestly, don’t think it’s terribly likely that it was a fake claim given by the mod, though that has more to do with the likelihood Supa would have crafted both these and the actual roles. I think it’s more likely that Pie either has a partner who knows about Maria Ross or that you did a basic level of research and posted it quickly to give himself early to own cred. Not saying it’s not plausible for there to be a Miller, though I don’t think its plausibility does much to alleviate my suspicions.
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@badger
I don’t see a strong reason to suspect anyone based on behavior alone, so no, I haven’t discussed it.
As I see it, the fact that you have written him off as town is more than enough reason to have done this. Pie makes ballsy moves, much to his credit, but I don’t see it as particularly dangerous to claim that early, especially if scum got a list of roles in the game (it wouldn’t be the first time). Also not sure why having just two scum in this game makes it obvious that they wouldn’t pull this stunt.
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@badger
I think it’s still plausible that this was a fake claim crafted by the mod, though as I see it, there are two routes to this having been designed by scum. One is to have a teammate who knows a lot about the series. Even people who are claiming to know nothing about it could be lying (this is an incredibly popular anime), so I’m not trusting claims from those who say it’s new to them. Two is that they could have just Googled it. At first, I thought this was unlikely, but when I put in “fullmetal alchemist suspected”, Maria Ross comes up as the second hit.
She’s obviously a safe pick for a character, given that she is clearly not part of the main cast (even Riza and Hohenheim play much more substantial roles, and they’re the two least involved characters claimed aside from her), which means the only basis I have left for believing that the claim is genuine is that no one has CC’d the Miller claim, which seems like a flimsy reason to place him as town. None of his behaviors scream town to me at all, especially given that, behaviorally, he’s quite good at concealing himself when he’s scum.
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@Earth
I disagree. I think it’s valid to discuss trends in role justifications, even if digging down into individual justifications in isolation can be somewhat problematic. Wouldn’t be the first time that I’ve seen that kind of analysis yield something meaningful.
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@badger
Well, she’s the JOAT, which I actually would have thought was a more appropriate role for Hohenheim (generally have trouble seeing how Winry could have either a Cop or Vig). Still seems off to me, not sure why the Cop best fits even with that justification, but I’ll set that aside until we see the other character claims. I’ll point out, however, that the justification for Maria Ross is much more of a clean and clear fit than any of the justifications I’ve heard so far, almost like it was crafted by someone else.
I’m Roy Mustang.
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@badger
I’m not surprised that he’s in this, but I am surprised that he’s the Cop. What’s the justification for that?
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I don’t mind outing the remaining characters, though I think mass full claims are premature. Both of the Elric brothers have claimed (BP makes sense for Alphonse, even if it’s not particularly inspired), we have Winry Rockbell and Maria Ross (who still looks like an outlier to me - not particularly bothered by the role being rather ballsy to claim early, particularly if mafia are aware of the roles in the game). That leaves 4 unclaimed characters from Lunatic, Polyglot, Badger and me.
Since Badger is leading the charge on this, I think the least he can do is be the first to character claim, especially as he has insinuated that he has already used his one-shot role. I’ll character claim after I see it.
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I meant one remaining town character. Think Bradley and Father are most likely for scum, and Ling/Greed is most likely the last town. Alternatively, it could be Scar and Ling as scum because they’re foreign to Amestris and/or fit more neatly into anti-hero and part-time villain categories, in which case there are still plenty of more prominent options for filling the last two town slots.
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Well, given that Winry Rockbell and Edward Elric have already been outed, I think there is no longer any doubt that we have at least Alphonse Elric, Roy Mustang, and Scar (who, by the by, I would have pegged as the Miller). I was thinking that it was possible that all of town was Amestris military, which would have changed things up quite a bit, but clearly, that isn’t the case.
That would mean we have one remaining character, and I sincerely doubt that that last character was reserved for a relatively random side character just to get a good justification for a Miller that’s already pretty clear. It’s possible that the split puts Scar in scum, and the justification for the character is pretty damn good (and hard to believe it came from a non-fan), but right now, that’s the only reason I’m not all-in on sussing Pie. His character just doesn’t fit what we’re seeing. Guess I’ll put this out there: is anyone else getting a side character that is not listed in this post or MisterChris’s from DP1? https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6312-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-dp1?page=2&post_number=37
Suffice it to say that I’d like to hear from Earth before we move forward with any lynch, though there’s little likelihood that his claim will change my view that we should lynch Pie this DP. I’ll hold off on voting until we hear.
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@Wylted
@ILikePie5
Right now, I don't have any reason to sus anyone. Like MC, I do think it's worth pressuring Wylted to get involved. Right now, he's dead weight.
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@badger
Didn't notice that slip - wrote that first post out on my phone, must've mistyped. Honestly, this isn't the first time I've been called out for behavior like this, though if you ask others who have played with me, this is pretty common practice for me, especially in games where I know a good deal about the central theme.
As for thinking that your statement was sarcastic, off-handedly mentioning that you think someone is mafia without any explanation didn't seem like a serious charge from where I was sitting. Clearly, I was incorrect in that assessment.
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