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@ILikePie5
I agree that that could be happen, though at the moment, I don't have a reason to believe he's lying.
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@ILikePie5
To be clear, I think the character claim is true because it came early and is a very prominent item in the MCU. If he fake claimed it, he has some serious balls because someone would have almost certainly challenged him if he lied.
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@ILikePie5
Thought is that his character claim is almost certainly true, though the role could absolutely be fake. It's also possible that it's correct, but that he's BP scum and we've got a serial killer or vigilante in this thing as well. I don't buy the former and the latter is a stretch - I don't see any of the characters that have been claimed so far fitting vigilante. So either he's lying and sporting a different role to go with the Ironman Suit MK 1, or he's telling the truth and he's BP town. I think the latter is more likely, but there could be a bunch of roles that could work with that character, and now that we know that Falcon's Wings were the Hider (which... honestly, I never would have guessed), I'm finding it more difficult to accept any role claim on its face, particularly with something as dynamic as the Ironman Suit. 
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@warren42
True enough. I shouldn't be tunneling a possible Strongman, though my main issue with Croc at the moment is that he has not been engaging in these discussions at all. My town reads are the same as yours, though my town read on GP is only slight. I also read you as town, so that just leaves the same three. At this point, I'm more suspicious of Pie than Lunatic, though that's based on weak behavioral differences. It could be both of them, but at the moment, I don't have enough information to make any kind of clear assessment of Croc.
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@Lunatic
Again, absolutely fine with considering him as a target, but we need more information on people who have been quiet. Croc seems like the obvious choice to pursue.
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@Lunatic
It’s possible that whoever was his scum partner just told him to pick someone that was not among those NK’d, so I leave open the possibility. That being said, the character choice is almost certainly not a fake and the role claim fits it well. I’m willing to consider a lynch on Water later, but for now, I’d like to get some more claims. On that front:

VTL Croc

Your role is, as far as I’ve been able to tell, the best fit for the Strongman here. It’s literally associated with nothing but the power stone and Ronan the Accuser, both of which fit that role to a T. You’ve been incredibly quiet.
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And yeah, I mixed up GP and Supa. That play alone makes you clearly town, but... c’mon dude, step it up.
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@WaterPhoenix
Probably Danielle or Lunatic. Had town reads on both of them behaviorally, ended up null on their character claims, but they were the targets I anticipated mafia would go for.
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@WaterPhoenix
Ah, alright. Wouldn’t have chosen GP myself, but I can understand the reasoning.
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@Lunatic
I was thinking it was either Redwing or Falcon’s Wings that would be given a Watcher role, though the latter lends itself to more versatility. Wouldn’t have suspected Hider, though. If you had asked me at the start of this about Redwing, I wouldn’t have known what you were talking about, though. I remember it from the movies, but not by name.
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@Lunatic
Out of curiosity, what do you find suspicious about that post? And what do you think of the decision to target Draft?
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@WaterPhoenix
Anyone else think it's strange that mafia went after Draft when Water had already claimed Doc? Do you think they just assumed he'd protect himself, or does this render him suspect? When you get on, Water, could you say who you visited during the NP?

For the record, I don't think Draft was an odd choice. I had assumed that, with the Red Wing claim, he was the Watcher. It's entirely possible that they also saw him as a threat independent of his role. I think he was an odd choice for Danielle to visit, though.
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@ILikePie5
VTL Pie

In her honor. *plays "My Heart Will Go On" from a boombox held aloft above his head*
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Well, so much for hiding. Looks like Danielle picked the wrong person to hide behind.
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@Elminster
Go for it. Don’t give a fuck.

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Fuck it.

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VTL Elm
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@Speedrace
I’d like the extra time.

VTL 48 hr DP1
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@Danielle
I would be happy to lynch Mikal if Croc makes a believable claim, or just wait for the next DP to lynch him if Croc becomes the target for this one.

And Mikal, I’ve been at work. Just because the browser’s open doesn’t mean I’m obsessively reading every post.
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For what it’s worth, I’d like to get a claim from Croc, and this vote seems to be going nowhere. Might not be on for a bit, so this one’s staying up.

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@ILikePie5
I agree that both my and Croc’s claims are more appropriate for Strongman. Honestly, wouldn’t have been at all surprised if that was my role.
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@Danielle
Agreed. I'll be pretty slammed with work over the next few hours, so I might not be all that present over the remainder of the DP. Frustrating.
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@Danielle
I’ll join that.

VTL Elm
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@Danielle
Mostly agreed. I’m relatively null on Croc’s character claim, but I think his behavior is a bit sus, though that may largely just be because he’s been absent.

Drafter’s in my POE pile largely because of the claim, though I don’t have any behavioral reasons to move him up to a similar level of suspicion with Croc.

Hard to call Warren on this. Only played once with him on forums and called him as mafia correctly in the forums, but even that took a NP to do. Haven’t seen any scummy behavior as of yet, so I’m pretty null on him.

Your analysis on Mikal/Elm is entirely agreed. Not sure what game he’s playing, but he seems awfully aggressive for no good reason. Behaviorally, he’s the most sus to me, if only because I haven’t seen him do this before.

Everyone else has at least a slight town read to me except for you and Pie, who are null to me.
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@Username
Agreed on resisting the urge to go line-by-line in the final round. Emphasizing what matters most is definitely key to me, and crystallizing the debate should be the focus.

You and I would definitely judge debates differently. I usually don’t like to reward big impact claims unless there’s a decent warrant. If it’s heavily mitigated, I’ll usually dismiss an argument with a huge impact as relatively weak, though I would want to see someone in the debate argue why that’s so (admittedly a rare thing to see, but important).
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@warren42

"Their Vibranium composition allows them to be used for medical purposes, such as stabilizing the condition of a wounded Everett Ross."

It's not an absolutely perfect role, and I would say that others could fit it better, but it works.
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@ILikePie5
Can't make a call on that. I would have said that it leans town before our last game, where you were Popular scum. It may still be more likely to be town, but I'm not going by trends.
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@ILikePie5
It's largely just a theory based on my perception of the roles that are already out there and the ones that remain, but given that Cap's Shield is often viewed as a symbol to rally behind in a manner similar to the American flag, I would say that it's entirely possible that the role associated with it could be Popular. 
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@ILikePie5
Maybe not, just a thought. Another possibility is that he's the Popular.
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@Lunatic
Well, we've already got a BP and a doctor, if this is true. I do think Water's character better fits the doctor role than Cap's Shield. Maybe Bodyguard?
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@WaterPhoenix
unvote

I buy that.
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@Elminster
I seriously don’t know how to explain this better. You would have been called out if you were lying about your character because either Stormbreaker or Mjolnir are almost certainly in this game. You weren’t called on it, so I buy the claim. Other roles that have been claimed are far less likely to appear in this game, so they were safe claims, i.e. those people could much more easily lie about their claims. A lie makes them sus. You telling the truth about your claim, as I suspect you are, makes you not sus to me. Does that make you definitely town? No. Thanks for the reminder that you can still be town even if you’re not lying about your character claim. I obviously never considered that.
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@Elminster
I’m not linking you to town based on the character you claimed. I’m saying that it’s more likely that you didn’t lie about your character. It’s possible that you’re still mafia, but I can’t make that call now. I can only call possible liars when it comes to character claims. You don’t like the strategy? Fine, but voting to lynch me over it is just fucking stupid, dude.
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@Elminster
Your analysis of my post is, sincerely, baffling. I never implied a split. And yes, people do have reason to lie about their claim, particularly if they think they stand to gain more by providing less information. A character claim may not always obviously link to a given role, but the point stands that the main reason that we even had all these partial claims is to expose liars down the road when people do full claim. Why are you anticipating that no one would try and false claim their character to better fit a false claim role? 
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@Elminster
That makes no sense to me. I’m not implying a theme split or “walking the path of” one. I’m examining the likelihood that certain roles would appear in the game. I care a whole lot less about what was excluded (except for the Thanos Copter, major oversight) than I do about some of the strange choices that were included. The MCU is huge and has lots of famous tools and weapons. I can’t help but note that many of the items included here fall outside of that set of items. Why is it sus for me to point that out?
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@Elminster
None of my analysis had anything to do with a theme split. Not really sure why you’re so opposed to my analysis when it’s based on the likelihood of certain characters existing in this game and the timing of certain claims.
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@Speedrace
Thanos Copter
How could I forget :o
Seems sus to me.
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@drafterman
Anyway I'm still on Water for death.
+1 for now
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Characters that I'm surprised we did not see in the list (though I can't tell if that's a choice by the mod or just actively hidden by mafia/tp):

Anything Spiderman related (expected to see webshooters)
Dr. Strange's Cloak of Levitation
The Ant Man suit

And, of course, the Thanos Copter.

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6. SupaDudz - Gjallerhorn - Innocent Child
8. GreyParrot - Ironman Suit MK 1 - BP
9. whiteflame - Infinity Gauntlet - ????
1. Lunatic - Gungnir - ????
4. Elminster - Stormbreaker - ????
5. ILikePie5 - Nick Fury's Pager - ????
3. Crocodile - Ronan's Hammer - ????
11. drafterman - Red Wing - ????
7. WaterPhoenix - Kimoyo Beads - ????
2. Danielle - Falcon's Wings - ????
10. warren42 - Cap's Shield - ????
Whelp, while we've gotten some behavioral analysis so far, no one's done any character analysis (beyond pointing out the lack of Mjolnir, which I'll address), so I'll give my two cents about the character list.

Just to start, all of these could be actual claims, since none of them give any indication of alignment and any number of roles could have been applied to even some of the simpler ones. I know I was surprised by my role with the Infinity Gauntlet. Still, I do think this narrows down the list of suspects somewhat.

I read GP as town. He claimed a character that was almost certain to be in this game, so he would have invited a challenge if he was lying, and his role is a good fit. Needless to say, Supa is town. Wouldn't have expected to see the Gjallerhorn here (guessing Speed is a Destiny fan and liked the crossover), but he has no reason to lie about it unless he was trying to cover up for another character to challenge a claim, which it's apparent he wasn't. The Stormbreaker claim from Elm makes him a slight town read for me as well, since either that and/or Mjolnir was nearly certain to be in this thing. By the by, since Stormbreaker is here, I wouldn't be surprised if Mjolnir is not. One major Thor weapon is enough.

The rest of these range from null to slightly sus. Gungnir, Ronan's Hammer, Falcon's Wings and Cap's Shield fall into the former category. Gungnir because I can't tell how likely it would be to appear in this (it's a borderline choice for a character because it does appear in the movies and is in the hands of an important side character, but doesn't play a big role there), and Ronan's Hammer because it had such a short-lived role and wasn't particularly important. while the latter two would have had me leaning slightly town on both Danielle and warren if they had claimed early. The fact that they claimed this late means that they knew these choices were available to them, so they could easily be fake claims.

The rest are slightly sus to me, largely because they're so niche. Nick Fury's Pager is the one I buy the most of these, just because it's such a strange choice that I don't think Pie would claim it in an effort to give himself cover, but I'm still iffy about it. I'm similarly iffy on the Kimoyo Beads, but I'm slightly more sus of Water because it sounds like something that he and his partner could have come up with as a weird, niche choice. As for Redwing, it's something that appeared in the movies, but it's such a little known inclusion. It screams "safe claim" to me. So, right now, I'd say that Water and Draft seem the most sus to me, with the former showing more behavioral suspicion based on what I've been reading. However, I don't think they're on a team, so I believe at least one of these calls is wrong. Still, my vote stands for now.

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@drafterman
I’m thinking the same way. Seems likely that Croc felt pushed into making a claim to save face after posting and then waiting a while to claim, but Water is scummier for having voiced his support for the popcorn strategy and just flaking out after that. Could still be strategizing in chat with other mafia. I’ll need to see his claim before I have a stronger scum read, though, so I’ll help pressure.

VTL Water
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@Danielle
Might as well beat the popcorn if you’re willing. 
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@ILikePie5
VTL Pie

I showed you mine. Where's yours?
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@Lunatic
Mhmmm
Yep. Strong scum read from this alone.

VTL Elminster
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@Lunatic
Yep. I'll leave my role unsaid for now, though it is obviously associated with my character.
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@Lunatic
Guess that's true, though it stands as a little odd given the circumstances. Nonetheless, apparently characters aren't connected to affiliation from what Speed told me, so I wouldn't expect a clear rhyme or reason to the selections that are affiliated with mafia.
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@ILikePie5
Didn't think you would. I'll start with a partial claim. I'm somehow both the Infinity Gauntlet and with town.
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@Speedrace
*gains role: embodiment of procrastination*

VTL Speedrace

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@Speedrace
Looking forward to it!
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@Elminster
Lol, yeah. Wasn't expecting to ride that to a win, but I'll take it.
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