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As for lynching this round, I'd say more information is needed. I think we stand to lose more by mislynching at this stage, since we're already down 3 town. I can understand that people want to reduce the scum pool, but I don't think we can risk a 4-3 situation just for the possibility of getting 5-2. I'm absolutely willing to wait out the full 72 hr. to get more information and if we have a solid reason to believe someone is scum, then I might change my mind, but for now I'm siding with a VTNL.

Usually, I would be posting quite a bit more, but it seems as though there's a few tiffs being worked out in the posts here that I'd rather not get involved with. That being said, I'll at least provide my two cents on what's happened so far.

I still don't trust the Miller claim from Pie, despite it being a decent match for his character. From what I've been table to tell, quite a few characters in The Stand are not easily segregated into a single camp, so I have trouble buying that his character, in particular, got this role. That leaves me with a slight scum read on him.

I also have a slight scum read on Supa, largely for behavioral reasons. He's definitely more involved this round than I think I've ever seen him, and he seems to be tunneling. To that end, I also have a slight scum read on Draft, who has also been tunneling pretty hard. However, his is lesser because he just seems to have issues with Elm, which makes me think this is more personal and less of a scum tell.

Not much else to say because I don't think anyone else is giving much away. Danielle and MisterChris haven't posted enough to give me much to use. I guess I'm slight town reading Elm, largely because his behavior looks a lot like the previous game and he just seems eager to leave, which would be strange for scum anyway, though it's a weird behavioral tell so I'm largely null on him. I buy Speed's claim for reasons I've already addressed, which means he's the strongest town lean to me, though I can't say I've gotten any behavioral vibes from him. I haven't played with Ragnar before, so I don't know how to interpret his low key involvement. 

Nothing too fancy before that. Not a lot during that, either - mainly just arguments between Supa, Draft and Pie about who is more sus between Elm and Draft. Only claims so far have been Pie as Larry Underwood/Miller and Speed as Kojak/Vanilla.

Alright, makes sense I guess.

I didn't vote.

Hope you're right. We've already had one awful play this game.

Seriously, dude, you may be frustrated, but are you really going to torpedo again just because a couple of people called you out? Even a partial claim would likely get most of this heat off of you, but you refuse to do it. I'm not participating in a lynch on you based on what's happened so far, but it's not asking too much to push you to claim.

I can't see into his head on this, so I don't know. Not going to answer questions in Draft's stead.

Dude, seriously, read Draft's post #81. You'll find that you're reading into this too deep.

And, hey, I took up your mantle! Though, in all seriousness, it does seem to fit your character claim (not that I have any clue about this character beyond skimming a Wiki article).

He tried to rile quite a few of us up. You weren't among that group, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. The implosion happened afterward.

I'm not saying he's town, I'm saying that basing your entire reasoning on him trying to rile you up doesn't make much sense as a basis for seeing him as sus. If we're going to lynch someone this DP, it should be for better reasons than "Elm is doing some of the same things he did last game when he was town."

I'd agree if I hadn't seen what he did last game. Don't think we can risk lynching him at this stage simply because he apparently has issues collaborating with town.

Much as I wasn't impressed by his performance last game, I'm more interested in why he's your target now. What makes you think Elm is scum?

Not calling for a lynch on that basis alone. I agree, it's not enough by itself.

As we're now down to 9 and a third of those are either mafia or tp and now without the Soldier, I hope at least some people made good use of their roles during the NP. With the little information we've had so far, I will say I don't really buy the Miller claim from Pie. It seems defensive to me. Hard to believe he'd be scum 3 games in a row, but that's where I'm leaning at the moment. Speed reads town. Not surprised that Lunatic wanted to have someone somehow affected in their speech this round after what he pulled in the Paranoia game. Somewhat surprised that didn't go to Draft, though. Haven't got enough information to read anyone else behaviorally or otherwise.

Seriously, wtf.

I'm in. I'll go with Saiki as my first choice, don't mind the Waifus, though.

Yep, that was a couple of games back. Pie was popular scum in the Paranoia game.

Well, that makes one of us.

Gotta say, I love this. Every one of your posts will be worth the read, esp. if you get creative with it.

Not at all familiar with The Stand, but I’m a fan of books about fictitious pandemics and epidemics, so I’ll have to pick it up one of these days.

Well, that was frustrating. Amazed just how many times things went wrong in this, though a bad DP1 and the double kill in NP1 definitely didn't help. Seriously though, I thought it was obvious by DP3 that Pie was scum, and Warren was at least sus since he wasn't killed despite the Cop claim all the way up to DP3. Why did you guys settle on a VTNL when that was virtually certain to end the game?

You said you come from a science background. What's your major and have you done any work in a lab? Any specific science topics you'd like to debate?

I'm with you on that. Also, understand being demoralized. Frustrated by the choices that have been going on in this game. It's like half of town doesn't want to win.

See above.

One more vote and I'll hammer.

I'd rather not just concede the game, but people are being awfully quiet. Supa, you should really be talking more because you're the only confirmed townie. Your insights can be trusted more than any of us. GP just doesn't seem to care much, which seems to be a running theme here. Warren goes in and out. Water and Croc are just plain absent most of the time. That just leaves you, me and Pie, and I'd be surprised if more than 1 of us are alive by the end of the NP. Come on, guys. Even if there are 3 mafia among you, playing like this just ruins the game.

Yeah, it seems like misuses of roles have really screwed town on this one, though that assumes that Water isn't playing an incredible con game as scum.

Honestly, I think you'll be able to get quite a bit more information in DP3 and lynching anyone but me this phase might just be a stab in the dark. Much as I agree that, should there be 3 mafia, it would end the game to lynch me, I think we have to either assume that there are 2 mafia or resign ourselves to almost certainly losing this game as town no matter what we do. If there's 2 mafia, then a mislynch could push us into territory where we can't win and I'll stay as a substantial liability. If there's 3, then we're dependent on getting the right targets very consistently, and I could easily cost us the game even then. So, like I said, if everyone's on the same page here, I'll hammer.

Well, based on the information I have right now, I'm most suspicious of GP's role claim and, much as I'm having trouble discerning who his partner(s) might be, I think he's the most likely scum in the bunch at this point. As for Pie, I think we can give him another DP to prove his role. It's possible that, if he is scum, he'll simply say he targeted his partner and have them "confirm" him (we certainly can't confirm him now, though I am somewhat suspicious of his choice to target Danielle, who notoriously tends to go out early), but regardless, it would give us some valuable information to work with. GP doesn't have any way to confirm his role, so I don't think we stand to gain much more information from him at this stage. Given the limited information that we have, I'll VTL GP, but if we decide that it's better to policy eliminate me beforehand, I'll hammer myself.

Honestly, the justification is kinda frustrating.

Paraphrasing, I caused terrible pain to everyone in the universe, ergo I'm HATED. It's true enough, I guess, but not what I would have expected for the Infinity Gauntlet role.

Did you have a reason to believe she was the Hider?

*sigh* Figured I might, esp. considering that we're still so unclear on who to lynch this round. I kinda buy the Messenger and had some inkling that that's what you might be, but it's impossible to verify at this stage, and the best case scenario is that we get to verify this in DP4.

Any particular reason you chose Danielle?

My thoughts exactly.

Didn't notice the posts. Need to think on this. unvote.

As for my claim, I was honestly anticipating that someone would push me on my role after that post, but things have been slow so I think it got passed by without much fuss.

You're right, need to get on that. 

At the moment, though I'm more individually sus of GP, I'm still having an incredibly difficult time figuring out who would be his partner if he was mafia. As such, while I only have limited suspicions of Pie, I'm going to vote for him this round.

Yeah, that was me being dumb in the moment. Mixed up GP and Supa, thought he targeted the Innocent Child and not BP.

Yeah, I'm generally having trouble pairing off two people who are likeliest to be scum at this stage. Sounds like Water plays this differently as scum and wouldn't make this kind of mistake, so that gives him a stronger town read. I think we're on the same page about Pie and GP. We'll need to get input from others to see where they think the vote should go this round. 

GP/Pie would make the most sense if Pie hadn't been rallying us all to be sus of GP. I can't fathom why he'd do that when most of us were quiet on GP for all this time if he is his partner.

I agree that any partner of his would have been upset with that choice, but given that Water comes on irregularly and likely posts quickly without checking in, I'd imagine that attempts to keep him in line are probably difficult to maintain. That being said, I do think Water is the least likely of these 3 to be scum.

After taking a night to think it over, I think I'm leaning towards GP. His BP claim makes sense for his character, but it's also incredibly convenient and isn't quite the obvious fit that Water's character claim is for doctor. The fact that Water targeted GP this round makes me think there's almost no chance they are a scum team and, if they were, I think there's little chance he would have made such an obviously terrible choice for targets. At this point, I think it's either one or the other, and I'm leaning GP.

All that being said, I think Pie is a decent choice as well, though the fact that he's been targeting GP much of this DP makes it unlikely that they are both scum. It's possible that we have a Water/Pie team, but I can't really figure out who would be in a team with GP beyond possibly Croc. So, for me, the lynch is between GP and Pie, though I'm pretty sure one of those is not scum.

Well, you’re L-1. Claim already.

Honestly, at this point, I'm tempted to just lynch Croc for outright failing to read even when he's on. There's a difference between just not being available and clearly not being able to read the room when he does get here.

Yes. You should.

I'm leaning town on warren. His claim may not be a great match for his character, but neither was the Hider a great match for Falcon's Wings, and we know that was Danielle's role and character. Behaviorally, he's been pretty solidly town, so I can't say that a strange explanation twists things much.

Well, I guess this is what happens when most of our most talkative people are either dead or too frustrated to play. Anyone want to give their thoughts or, even better, actually help with pressuring Croc?

Dude, Mikal was making an active ass of himself and lying about his role when he was vanilla fucking town. He, Danielle and I all pushed the lynch knowing that it was possible he’d take us down with him. If that’s a scum tell for him, then it’s just as much of one for me, especially since I was the target of Mikal’s ire. The whole thing blew up over a supposed scum tell he had on me for providing some analysis of the character claims, Lunatic was just fed up with his shit.

Why are you sus of GP?