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For now, at least, I changed the title of this topic to reflect the content. I do not agree that this warrants legal action as it stands, but I do think that title might have been a bit much given the content. Yes, I know it was clickbait, but it was still a little much.
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@ILikePie5
Ocarina of Time >
Love that game too, but I disagree.
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@JoeBob
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Big fan of how the story was told through much of the game with the time loop setup. Each interaction with NPCs felt novel and interesting in a way I'd never seen before, particularly as their stories developed. The gameplay was among the best in Zelda in general (until the most recent games) as it utilized a wide assortment of masks that could sometimes make for big differences in playstyle. I also just generally loved the gravity the villain displayed. We've gotten so used to Ganon over these games, but Majora could be legitimately scary at times, almost like a force of nature. And some of the scenes with the Happy Mask Salesman lives rent free in my brain.
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I received an invitation for the annual Mafia Championship tournament. Apologies for not getting this out sooner, but it looks like we'll have to select someone by April 20th, assuming there is someone that wants to participate. If you're interested, information about the tournament can be found in the link below.
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@Vader
Appreciate that. Honestly, haven’t had many opportunities to function in the capacity of someone who is widely townread trying to lead a lynch. Clearly still have work to do on that front.
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@ILikePie5
Wylted did ask me and he relayed it to town as well
Must have missed that.
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@Vader
And I do sincerely apologize. I got into my head through DP2 that some things didn’t make sense about your claim and just spiraled out from there. That was my bad. Especially since I was already scumreading Barney in DP2, I should’ve considered his lynch more carefully or just gone for the NL.
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@ILikePie5
Honestly, should’ve just asked you what you’d do if you saw that play out instead of just assuming.
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As for the read on Austin, that would’ve ended up being PoE. If I had shifted focus from Vader to Barney for the DP, I think that would have helped things, as would the VTNL. That, especially, was a bad decision given the flip and my mistake for pushing against it.
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@ILikePie5
I was surprised that Whiteflame did not say anything about this--he is the most detailed focus person I have played with. That’s another reason why I think there was some tunneling from him. Even after everyone claimed, there was also no thematic analysis done.
It’s not so much that I didn’t notice it, I actually did mention the issue (that BG wouldn’t work on Ascetic). Honestly, if I hadn’t been through the previous game with Austin, I would have almost certainly shifted to Barney on the weight of that alone. It’s actually something he said in that game as mod - that he wouldn’t inform someone who wasn’t a non-informative role that their role had failed - that made me discount it. That was a mistake because he’s the only mod I’ve seen do that, but that’s where my mind was at.
I definitely focused too much on Vader through DP3, which was an error on my part. Honestly, just the weirdness of how a Lightning Rod and BG would interact should’ve tipped me off.
And yeah, I found myself a bit lost on the theme in the end. Should’ve reconsidered that.
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@AustinL0926
Frankly, if this is game (and I don't think it is), then it was inevitable. Vader either would have been lynched this DP or the next, he was easily the biggest stand-out.
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Yeah, I don't buy this routine as anything other than a last ditch effort to make us question the lynch. And, hey, since Vader seems to think I'm tunneling him for terrible reasons, I'll just leave myself out of it unless I must add my vote. Vader's already given himself one, so he only needs three more. I'm fine with waiting - we've got plenty of time.
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@Vader
Sincerely trying to parse these last two posts for anything meaningful. We risk losing the game regardless of who we lynch, so I don't see your point there.
I don't know what you assume will prove your status at this point. Where is this "lot of information" going to come from during this NP, exactly? Do you think that leaving two scum alive who have consistently impeded WyIted's efforts at getting a Dreamer result will somehow yield fruit? Do you think that I magically have another item available that will give exactly the same role or provide a similar investigative role? Are you banking on that as the chief means of getting information?
If this loses us the game (and I have no reason to believe it will), then yes, I'd love to see Pie's thoughts on how you played this. I'd be very interested in what he has to say about your play these last two DPs. You're treating me as though I'm accusing an obvious townie, but if you were town, I think you'd be acknowledging a lot of the issues with your play by now. This kind of tactic - deny, deflect, doubt - is just what scum would do as a last desperate hope to get a wagon off of them.
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@Vader
Yeah, I’m not going to continue to address this claim that I’m tunneling you or that the VTNL is somehow optimal play despite a rather consistent set of reads between players. You haven’t justified either claim as accurate.
Beyond that, this idea that “reports, counter-reports, etc.” are necessary to come to the conclusion that your play is clearly scummy is just baffling. You know as well as any of us that reports can be manipulated. You know that there have been, in point of fact, no reports to go off of except yours and BK’s, which both yielded innocent results. So what do you want us to do in the absence of guilty results? Sit on our hands? You pretend that just waiting one more DP will somehow give us a much more solid foundation despite having now three largely solid town members for scum to pick between. There’s no benefit to delay, no reason to twiddle our thumbs because we lack that last confirmation that we’re probably never going to get given WyIted’s stymied role. You’re just playing for time at this point which gives me all the more reason to pursue your lynch this DP.
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Want to at least post my reads before I get into the workday.
Right now, my strongest townread is BK. I wouldn't have sent him an item if I didn't read him that way by the end of the first DP, and that Millionaire claim sold it. I know Vader was making the case that he might be scum pretending to use an item to get a given result that makes him look townie, and while I might buy that in other circumstances, I don't believe that's likely here. BK could have chosen literally any role gained from the item. He specifically outed that he was the 1X Cop, a role that functions as a partial CC to Vader's claim. So if I didn't believe Vader was scum (and I don't think I have to detail why any more than I already have), I might still question this. But I don't see how Vader's scum partner benefits from doing this. I buy it, so he's pretty solid town to me.
WyIted is next. Since I trust the Cop was used on him, it's hard not to see him as innocent at this point, though manipulated results are possible (e.g. Godfather, Lawyer, Tailor). Vader suggested Electrician could be in the game, though if I recall correctly, that would send back a failed result, not an innocent result. All that being said, I'm not convinced that this is what happened. It would be very strange for Pie to insert a role on the scum side to detail with a 1X Cop obtainable only by selecting the correct item from the Mad Inventor and sending it to a town member. I thought maybe such a role might be in place to deal with the Emissary, but that description says: "Each night, I will give you reliable information towards the identity of one town-aligned player in the game." That doesn't seem like it's something necessarily impacted by any of those roles, since the information isn't the result of an investigation. All that is a long way of saying that I don't buy that he somehow changed the result of his investigation. It's possible, but it's a remote possibility.
My strongest scumread is Vader. If anyone wants me to provide my succinct reason as to why, I can summarize, but I've spent enough time on him these last two DPs and I'd like to put the focus elsewhere.
That just leaves Barney and Austin. The former has come off largely null over most of the game, the latter has had more of a townie bent behaviorally. One of them is probably lying given that Barney claims he used his BG on Austin and didn't say anything about it failing. I say "probably" because it's important to note that, while investigative roles will definitely report a "failed" result if their action is somehow impeded, that is not necessarily true for all non-investigative roles. I heard this last game from Austin in the scum chat - all Barney might get is a "confirmed." So anyone who's claiming he's obviously scum because he claimed he used his role on Austin is jumping the gun a bit.
That being said, I still think the second scum is more likely to be Barney. The Ascetic claim is definitely a little odd, but not necessarily scummy. The BG claim, meanwhile, comes off a little strange. It's the most common role claim beyond Vader's Cop that's currently on the table (note everyone else has a pretty uncommon or even rare role) and it's repetitive with the Lightning Rod role (again, kind of like Vader's Cop with the Emissary). Also, just thought of this as I'm writing, but how would a Lightning Rod and BG interact? If someone was targeted by both and was NK'd, which would die? I feel like Pie would not want to introduce that kind of headache into this game as a factor. And much as the lack of protective roles might initially put me into the camp of expecting more, it does seem like this game is more slanted toward giving town more information (Emissary, Dreamer) rather than protecting individual members, and I suspect the variety of roles my items impart are meant to cover for some balance issues with scum.
Beyond that, I think there has just been some odd behavioral choices from Barney. Like I said in response to his claim, it was not hard to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that his Harry Potter claim was obviously Percy Jackson. He even put a lightning bolt after his name, which made me think of The Lightning Thief, and I've never even read that book. He treats this as a gambit to bait out an NK, though I don't know how that worked. Did he think that scum would believe that he was actually Harry Potter and believe he had some crazy role that had to be eliminated? Is that the "lie" that "worked" when "Earth protected" him? Because it doesn't make sense to me, and it comes off as a means of trying to make himself look townie by trying to make us believe that he was the likeliest target for the NK. Vader does seem to be bussing him pretty hard this DP, but that isn't changing my read.
So, yeah, I'm down to lynch Vader this DP and, after the flip, consider whether we're going ahead with Barney. I'm good with having Austin and Barney vote first and then having known town execute the hammer, as WyIted suggested last night.
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@Vader
Not even a troll. If I copy and pasted my DM he said I'd be modkilled on the spot. That would give town a 3v2 advantage and confirm my town and give us essentially a LYLO situation. Asked the precussions and he said I'd be banned from games. It honestly was smart and was considering doing the gambit but I'd rather play in his games
It's a troll. If you expect anyone to buy that you gamed this out with Pie, you're sorely mistaken, but good luck I guess.
And now I'm actually taking off for the night. Not gong to get any sleep if I keep my focus on here.
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@Vader
I still think BK is town, but I will say that Pie just informed me in the PM that if a Mad Investigator gave a role to a scum, they would be able to use it
I mean... yes? The fact that he used an item doesn't make him town on its face. Not something I think you'd need to ask him.
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@Vader
Out of respect for the mods wishes, I am not gonna insta solve this game and copy and paste my exact PM to get me modkilled. I asked him a few questions about it but said I'd be banned if I did that. Oh well. Would've solved the game right then and there but I like playing mafia.
Nice trolling.
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@WyIted
I am hyper posting because I will be AFK for a very long period of time. I am ready to commit to Vader here. But those I'm the scum pool Austin and barney should ideally vote first.
I don't see a problem with that. That being said, I would like to have at least a little more discussion this DP, though not tonight. I'm going to be headed off shortly myself. It's fine if you're absent for a while, just reconvene tomorrow.
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Your argument was essentially, there was only 1x role, therefore, this is likely a sus claim. I presented you evidence that there was roles with only 1x. Was this on the mafia side? Yes. But however these roles and 1x's were scrambled up between the two in a variety of games that I have looked from Pie with varying combinations. The point was that this type of analysis is essentially useless for a role madness game because mod psyche can only take you so far (besides the vanilla being non existant). You keep harping on such.
...I honestly don't get this response. You acknowledge that the sole example you provided for a scenario like the one we're discussing in this game (one where Pie devised the game) is the one where all the given X-shot roles were on the mafia side. That's not scrambled. That's very specific. You pointed to several other games where it was scrambled, and note that every single one of those games has at least 2 X-shot roles on town. One could support the other's claim. You have no support for yours. That's not useless analysis. That's straightforward. So yes, I'm going to keep harping on it. That's not useless just because the games are "role madness" - there's a method to this madness. And this is where your remaining responses on this issue just fall apart.
Consistencies in having a 1x role. Consistencies in vanillas. Don't see the issue but sureThere is no consistency to the amount of 1x roles there are given and in a role madness, it's what helps balances town the best. This the type of inconsistency I have tried to tell.
This isn't about the number of shots. It's about having a roles with a limited number of shots. And yes, there are consistencies. They are consistent in that none of them have only one X-shot role among town. There exists a means of confirming the existence of X-shots (albeit mainly through lynches and NKs) among a set of roles that are not similarly limited. That's the consistency you're somehow failing to acknowledge despite the fact that you provided the evidence. I honestly don't know why you're denying its existence because it's right there.
I'd lean more on behavior and role analysis from themes I know, but good job assumption fallacy
I find it fascinating that you don't see the contradictions in your own analysis. Seems almost like your responses are tailored to ignore the obvious. It's one thing if you don't buy into mod psych or were arguing that there is no consistency between any of Pie's games. Yet you're sitting here arguing that there is consistency between games, and therefore that mod psych supports your view, despite ignoring the glaringly obvious deviation from your claim. If you were town, I believe you'd be owning up to the obvious and recognizing that it's odd. Instead, it's deny, deny, deny.
My information I leaked was not useless.Yes. I stated that I would've claimed differently now that I look back at it. This is my first time realistically playing a full mafia game in over a year. You made mistakes in the game with a mislynch, that arguably did MORE damage than just claiming a 1x cop too early in this game
I didn't see you make that statement, but I'll assume you did and just point out that you spent a lot of time being dismissive of other choices for claiming or putting that information out there. This isn't about a mistake - it's about how you responded to that mistake. And I think this is where you're misunderstanding a lot of my position on this matter because it is largely behavioral. Even now, you're still justifying the decision to state that I was innocent at the start of a DP where there was no one targeting me while simultaneously owning up to how you were mistaken to do so. I see that, as I see a lot of these responses, as inconsistent and defensive.
You clearly stated, there is no use in NL'ing this DP because Vader is scum. If you think that is dismissive and not anti-town, geez I don't know what to tell you. Lynching someone off reads that has no reports on them in a MYLO situation is so anti-town. You would rather lynch someone who is has no results based on reads alone, versus the optimal play of No Lynch and giving the town an extra day to decide.
I said "I don't think there's much value in a NL this DP." That's not dismissive or anti-town. It's recognizing that I think there is an optimal lynch that has already been justified and don't think a NL will facilitate our efforts much, if at all. Calling it "optimal play" doesn't sit well with me, either, since there are two players you consider to be solidly town that are likely to be the targets of NKs tonight. Assuming that one of your three potential scum will be killed instead seems a bit overly hopeful, don't you think? I'd say I've got more than enough information to lynch at this point, but notably, I'm still discussing other players. It hasn't prevented me from engaging in the DP meaningfully and seeking another scum target.
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@WyIted
I don't see the harm in waiting one more dp. The scum team eliminated earth narrowing the scum pool and may fuck up and narrow the scum pool again.
I haven't decided if it's worth doing. On the one hand, it gives another opportunity for using an item from my inventory. On the other hand, I'm concerned there might be a second NK if we provide the opportunity.
Also, given that I believe we have a solid lynch this DP, I think our better bet is to lynch Vader and VTNL next DP if we're still uncertain.
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@AustinL0926
That being said, I do want to note that overlapping roles are possible - for example, Emissary and Dreamer both are alignment-determining investigatives.
Point taken. The lack of protective roles beyond Lightning Rod (which is basically a one-and-done when it comes to an NK) had come off as strange, so I was expecting something with a little more protective power. Doesn’t mean there can’t be a BG (if anything, it would be still odder without a second protective role of any kind), just something I needed to start exploring.
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@WyIted
You need to get involved in this DP, particularly as you've apparently been copped innocent and may or may not have a dream to report.
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@Barney
He might not have. It’s my best guess. It would explain a few things, but as you’ve said, there’s other possibilities.
Would you mind breaking that down for me? What would Earth's having targeted you during the last DP, and you having been the target of the NK, explain?
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@AustinL0926
I buy Barney's roleclaim. Based on my role and justification, it seemed obvious there was at least one protective role in the game. Also, in the climax of The Mark of Athena, Percy is forced to leave Annabeth behind so that she can complete her quest, despite his strong desire to protect her - so it fits thematically.
I'd like to dig into this a bit because there is (or was) already a known protective role in the game: Earth, who was the Lightning Rod. To my knowledge, it functions the same as Bodyguard, just with the caveat of also being able to take other night actions beyond the NK in place of the target.
Given how central Percy is to the books (to my knowledge), I just assumed he'd be in this game, and based on your analysis of the role and how well it fits the character, I could see it being here. But I'm throwing out my preconceptions. I wrote off Percy as obviously town, I don't believe I can do that anymore. We now have good reason to believe, based on GP's fake claim, that scum were given at least one fake claim. And he just so happened to get Frank Zhang, one of the seven central demigods of the series. So I don't think we can assume that a) it's demigods vs. others (it might be true, but a fake claim would disrupt that) or b) that certain characters would necessarily be in this game just based on status in this universe. Doing that makes things more difficult to parse, but as I don't have a solid second pick for scum yet, I think this is where we need to start.
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Dashboard
Earth Lightning Rod Jason Grace
Greyparrot Prophet(TP) Octavian
I think that's everything. If I am in error anywhere, let me know.
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PLAYER ROLE CHAR NP1
Barney Bodyguard Percy Jackson
Austin Ascetic Annabeth Chase
Whiteflame Mad Inventor Leo Valdez
Graveyard
JoeBob Emissary Nico
Lunatic Loved Piper McLean
Earth Lightning Rod Jason Grace
Greyparrot Prophet(TP) Octavian
I’m out and about, so I can’t fill in all the links, but I wanted the full list. I’ll also include Barney’s two claimed targets when I do get back to it.
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@Barney
Im Percy Jackson, for always sacrificing myself to save those I love I’m the bodyguard.I previously said I’m Harry Potter to try to draw the night kill to myself. I suspect the lie worked, but then Earth protected me.I protected whiteflame the first night, and Austin last night. Obviously no one tried to kill either of them.
Figured you were Percy. He's the Harry Potter of this universe, after all, and the lightning bolt especially was a strong indication. I would be surprised if scum didn't figure that out.
That being said, I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that the lie worked or that Earth protected you. I'm not sure who Earth targeted, but I do suspect that it was someone he solidly townread. I was hoping to get a whole set of reads from him last DP, which might have given us a better indication of who he might have targeted, but I can't say I have a good idea of whether he even died due to his Lightning Rod or because scum targeted him directly.
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@Vader
Think for a minute. You've been wrong on 2 lynch trains. One with GP and one with JoeBob. You are likely town and I am town. Before you go and push town to try and mislynch on a mylo, let's examine all info. You originally had a Vader and GP scum team, which was wrong.
I've been wrong before, though I'll note that I was on your lynch train last DP, which, notably, has not been proven wrong yet. Still, let's cover this.
- Pie has a variety of games with varying amount of 1x, 2x roles, and even has a joat with multiple 1x's, just like your role giving role.
You have presented absolutely no similar examples... oh wait. You have given one. The one where scum has the only X-shot set of roles. My "role giving role" is pretty distinct from an X-shot role.
You are using a mod psyche in a role madness game where there is no consistency at all.
So, let me get this straight:
You've presented a set of 4 games that Pie has modded
Claimed that there were consistencies to them despite all of them being role madness games (seriously, note the lack of Vanillas)
I pointed out that the consistencies between them don't track with the existence of your role
Now, you're backtracking on that and claiming that there's "no consistency at all" because they are role madness games.
*slow clap* Brilliant maneuver. Honestly, if you were town, you'd scumread the fuck out of this right along with me.
- We have to look at the behavior analysis of the games and some of the results depending how much we trust it
I have looked at behavioral analysis. Last DP. Where you claimed 1X Cop unprompted despite that being a) blatantly anti-town, b) a clear effort to look townie by claiming early, and c) largely useless information in a DP where I was not on anyone's FoS. I'll also point out that the above statement is also a behavioral problem. I don't think you'd be throwing every possible explanation (including contradictory ones) at the wall just to try and get out from under a mod psych argument if you were town.
Look at someone like Barney, who has flown off the grid from your analysis. Read his play. You let him off with a pass for wanting BK claim but also still suspect me. He is also the last one to make a claim in this game. He's been on both lynch trains that would benefit scum team. Barney was also pushing people like Earth, who we now know as town, into a deeper hole for their reads. He did the same with JoeBob from what I recall.
Just because I haven't talked about Barney doesn't mean I'm dismissing him. There are two scum in this game. I am convinced that you are scum. I am searching for your partner. The fact that I am aware of just how scummy your play is doesn't mean I'm ignoring everyone else. But, hey, thanks for the pretty basic analysis of his play I guess.
I think you are tunnel visioning because of mod psyche and the role versus overall behavior
If reading a lot of your behaviors and your role claim as scummy is tunnelling (which seems to be a widely shared view at this point), then I guess that's what I'm doing. It's not like I'm honing in on one thing and claiming that alone is reason enough to pursue a lynch. But I guess that is how you'd want to frame it.
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@Vader
Either way, if you look at any games, your role is a 1x because you are giving away other 1x's. The amount of randomness in Pie's game negates your 1x theory invalid imo
Yeah… let’s see who others agree with on this because you are in no way convincing me.
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@Vader
I’d say there’s a big difference between items granting 1X shot and a character coming with a role that is a 1X shot.
Also, I love this example. Know why? The only X-shot is scum. Thanks for that.
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@Vader
It's worthless to go debating mechanics and what but I'm going to reference Pie games where he has numerous xShots in the game
There’s one particularly distinct thing about this game that is not in any of those:
You are the one and only claimed X-shot role. All three of those games feature more than 1.
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Yes, in fact, this is relatively normal. Especially considering that this is a basic item given and the Emissary role being revealed
So I guess we're just going to ignore that your character has the exact same role, down to the number of uses, as an item of mine bestows? That's normal?
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I still think Vader is the obvious lynch for this DP. I gave a great deal of reasoning for that last DP, and given the result of my handing over an item to BK, I believe it even more strongly. I cannot fathom that Pie would create a game where he gave a character the exact same role (1X Cop) as one of the items would impart coming from me. An item being a 1X use makes a lot of sense. A character having that same 1X use on that same role in the same game does not.
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@Vader
You advocated for a Grey and Vader scum team because I was hesistant to believe that Grey was just doing this as scum and were persistent on Grey through DP3 before jumping on the JoeBob lynch train on a whim. And just accepting that people wanted to go with it seems pretty lazy town play from you especially
Yes, I considered that possibility. I didn't think it was the only one out there, and I fully admitted my mistake with JoeBob, though it was not on a whim. I was quite clear about why I made that choice. And, yes, I went with the only lynch that was possible at the end of the last DP. That's not lazy, especially considering the extent to which I argued for your lynch.
It's just a suggestion and like I said...you being alive despite being a copped town role is even more suspicious but as I said, there is a possibility that Earth could've used his action on you, but I can't assume anything. I threw in all possibilities of how the DP could be tampered and that's one.
It's still an awfully convenient choice. All the odder that you had a 1X Cop role given that BK clearly got one of my items.
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@Barney
@AustinL0926
At this point, we need full claims. Both of you should do so as soon as you get on. So I'm going to go ahead and give mine:
I'm Leo Valdez. I'm the Mad Inventor. I've now given two items out over the previous two nights, though the target was only alerted that they'd received one during NP2 (the night after the night I gave it out). Unless necessary to confirm my role, I will not say who I gave those two items to, but I will say that my role is one of the main reasons I found BK's role claim convincing. I don't think he would have claimed that role blind to the existence of another role that grants items.
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@Vader
Surprise surprise. Grey was the third party all along and Whiteflame was wrong. His whole agenda to push Greyparrot and his theory was incorrect and look who's still alive.An interesting death with Earth. I wonder if he was actually targeted or he was a victim of the lightning rod
I find this pretty silly. I wasn't advocating lynching GP during the last DP. I was advocating for lynching you. I admitted I was probably wrong about GP in the last DP - that's why he was no longer my top pick for a lynch - I just accepted that that was where people wanted to go with it.
Whiteflame still being alive despite getting a town cop is a bit strange and makes me question the result I got. I do suspect that maybe Earth targetted WF in the night but you can't be confirmed. A copped town player remaining alive is suspicious as hellI think Barney is the most town out of all the town right now per say
That's a pretty rich argument, especially considering that your purported Cop result is the only reason people believed you should live. If we can't trust that result (and I don't believe we can), then the FoS should be pointed at you first and foremost, not me. This is an especially ridiculous bit of breadcrumbing that you first started by claiming that your result was somehow lawyered. Yeah, very convenient for a 1X Cop.
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Alright, so we're at 4-2. I know it was lightly discussed in the last DP, but I don't think there's much value in a NL this DP. Here's the updated dashboard:
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PLAYER ROLE CHAR NP1
Barney ??? Harry Potter
Austin ??? ???
Whiteflame ??? Leo Valdez
Graveyard
JoeBob Emissary Nico
Lunatic Loved Piper McLean
Earth Lightning Rod Jason Grace
Greyparrot Prophet(TP) Octavian
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@WyIted
We can cover what we’re doing next DP when we get there. Let’s just end this DP and see what happens.
VTL GP
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If we get to 4 on GP, I'll go ahead and hammer tomorrow morning.
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Oh, and Barney of course. Didn’t mention him even though I pinged him.
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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@Vader
@WyIted
Well, we’re not going to have too much time tomorrow so people need to start picking a side. I’m fine lynching either GP or Vader, neither of whom has a vote up right now. Both of you should pick a target.
The rest of you need to make a decision. And, yes, I include WyIted in that. You posted a vote on Earth before a lot of back and forth happened. He will not be lynched this DP, so make a decision.
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@Best.Korea
The decision is up to you, though I agree it is between those two. Just don’t ship off before voting.
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@Barney
Would you mind sharing your character claims?
I’m OK with that if it helps things along. I’m Leo Valdez.
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@Greyparrot
Did you get a dream? I forgot to check
He said he was visited in the night. Dreamers don’t get results if they’ve been visited. Makes me a bit unsure of his role claim tbh, but his character claim seems solid.
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@Greyparrot
Alright. Glad he answered your questions and we can at least move on for the end of the DP.
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@Barney
Is this his usual play? I just assume he's one of the brains due to having played so much that he wrote the guides.
My experience with him is that he gut reads a lot and explains little. He’s also prone to changing his mind on a whim, though usually he won’t take it far if he does. My experience with him is that he tends to focus more on who’s being scummy when he’s actually scum, and he’s certainly more defensive of his play than this.
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