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Unlimited. I used it on WyIted. And yes, they're protected from kills and roleblocked.
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But fuck it, since I'm in this boat anyway, might as well just give my full claim anyway for all the good it will do:
I'm Whiplash. My fight is the Semi Final 2 match from Season 5. I'm the Jailkeeper because I can easily disable targets.
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@RationalMadman
We both know I gave you 3-4 chances to fullclaim fast and I'll accept you not wanting to stress out fighting the inevitable.You didn't gt, you're doomed just stop replying.
Dude, you gave me absolutely no chances to full claim. You immediately sussed me and agreed with me that there was nothing I could say about my claims that would ever convince you otherwise. No amount of claiming, no matter how early after you said it, would have changed that.
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@RationalMadman
Like I said, I think it's pretty clear that you were going to target me during the NP. If scum didn't figure that out, then they didn't read the same DP I did. Just because you can't see a world in which your result could have been messed with doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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@RationalMadman
Either you must scumread me or fullclaim.No third option yes?
I don't scumread you, but if you don't buy that this set of circumstances happened, then it doesn't matter what I claim, does it?
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@RationalMadman
No framer would target Whiteflame, I barely implied I was investigating him. This was intentional.
...You serious? You made very clear at the end of the last DP that you were upset with my decision and viewed me as likely scum for deciding to lynch 7k over WyIted. I figured it was basically a given that you would target me, and I'd be surprised if scum didn't see it coming as well, especially since you said this in DP1:
Why were you confident Iw as scum so much so you thought let's investigate the worst player here over someone like whiteflame?
I didn't want to draw attention to it last DP, but it seemed like you were telegraphing your "best" cop target.
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@Greyparrot
Nobody died eh? I am probably bleeding and this is my last day lol
Every faction has a factional bulletproof, so unless they found some way through that bulletproof, it's likelier that one or two of the factions just lost their bulletproof.
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@RationalMadman
Alright, good that you're responding to me I guess.
I am absolutely willing to lynch WyIted now. At this point, he's obviously scum. I said I'd lynch him this DP if 7k flipped town and I meant it. If you think that's bussing, so be it, but he's the obvious lynch this DP. I don't care if we wait to do it, but that's where my vote's going to go in the end.
I'll Unvote for now to let whatever plan you have play out.
As for me, I can only say I'm baffled by the result. I didn't think there was a Framer or Tailor in a game where all the characters are robots, but I also wouldn't believed a lawyer would be in this game. Maybe that's just me.
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@RationalMadman
Wait, hold up. Are you saying you copped me guilty? Why are you talking about delaying the DP if you are so certain there are two scum players?
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@WyIted
Yeah... no. VTL WyIted. Want to try again with that supposed JOAT of yours?
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@WyIted
Sounds interesting. I'd like to see how this works in practice and if there's actually a group willing to participate in those kinds of debates.
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@FishChaser
He'd have to do so on his current account since multi-accounting isn't allowed.
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I'm... pretty unclear on what this even is, but I'm up for whatever. Probably better suited to judge (and discussing rounds on discord would be fun), but if you need a spot filled, I'll figure it out.
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@RationalMadman
In that case, I simply disagree that that's something I can write off as just trolling. If that's sufficient reason for you to ignore it, you do you I guess.
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@RationalMadman
It still seems like a super specific and in-the-know post that doesn't automatically scream trolling. His choice to say that you are in a specific faction and would kill on odd nights does nothing but draw attention to how he knows that information, whereas his repeated efforts to accuse you came off as nothing but trolling.
Being a troll doesn't explain either of the deleted posts.
I am not blind about WyIted. I gave my specific thoughts on his claim and how that makes him look. I'm not blind just because he isn't my first choice for a lynch this DP.
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@RationalMadman
I have now at several points in this DP detailed my reasoning regarding my scumread on 7k. I've pointed to the ways he has (and hasn't) responded to us as one element of that, notably not the major one.
I've pointed out that he posted twice directly in response to me asking him questions regarding his behavior and then deleted those posts before I could read them. Maybe that's troll behavior, but it comes off as clearly scummy to me and something he has never done in previous games where his troll behavior was on full display as town.
I've also pointed to this specific post several times that includes information he would have no way of knowing as town. If that's him just trolling, it's oddly specific and includes information he would have no way of knowing at that point unless he was on a scum team. It's an early scum slip that he has completely refused to explain.
You ask me how I'm selecting him over a scum read. It's because 7k is also a scum read, and a more solid one for me. WyIted might be trying to cover for a role he can use to confirm himself during the NP. If he doesn't and continues to assert that he's a 1x Day Cop, particularly if 7k flips town, he's an easy lynch for me during the next DP.
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@RationalMadman
You keep saying things like that and it’s not going to convince me. I’m not here to try and get your approval or buddy your choice of vote. I’m not convinced that your CC effectively erases any possibility of a Day Cop, but my gut tells me he’s not a Day Cop. I have more reason still to vote 7k. If that makes you think I’m scum, then so be it.
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Alright, I’m finally caught up.
Suffice it to say that I buy RM being cop. I in no way buy WyIted’s claim of being a JOAT with a 1X day cop. He’s made up wilder claims before and I just don't buy it. That being said, I still think 7k is the way to go here. Not only is he effectively refusing to participate, so he’s nothing but dead weight in the game to begin with, but he also serves as a test of WyIted’s claim. I think WyIted might be covering for some other role that he wants to use during the NP, just can’t tell whether he’s doing that to further town or scum. I’m willing to shift to WyIted if necessary, but for now I’m going to stick with 7k.
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Ugh, there's a lot to catch up on. I'm leaving work, I'll catch up everything when I get home.
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@Lunatic
I mean if he was right about scum both times it kind of stands to reason he would be more confident with it as he progresses, don't you think?
I guess, though as I pointed out earlier, it's not just the attitude that's setting me off. He chose to delete two posts, both of which were responses to me. He also said this:
Rational Madman is in faction 1, and he will kill on odd nights. We need to get him out first.
That's an... oddly specific thing to say he knows, since it doesn't say anywhere in the OP which faction can perform an NK on which night, only that there are two mafia factions and that one of them kills on odd nights and one on even nights. Maybe he somehow misread the OP and thought it defined that. Maybe he just believed that throwing out a specific sus would rally more people to his cause, regardless of accuracy. In either case, he hasn't explained this choice and that's despite my calling him out on it several times. I'm still a little hesitant to push on him because not responding to requests to explain his play has kind of been his MO, but this was pretty galling.
Interesting... Could still be VPN but no real use in trying to spearhead that investigation. Not really sure how you could prove it.
Yeah, we're rather limited in our ability to prove things like that.
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@Lunatic
Interesting he plays like this and happens to be right both times though isn't it? Kind of screams multi account to me but could just be a coincidence. Have mods checked IP's of players to make sure there are no matches just out of curiosity? Not that the average person couldn't figure out a vpn but still worth checking into...
I would really look into the multi account thing.
Funny that you mention it, as this concern came up in an entirely different context. Much as it is outside the scope of this game, it nonetheless affects it, so I can confirm that it has been looked into and that I have not found evidence of multi accounting from 7k.
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@RationalMadman
One theory I have is we are split perfectly across. This would me you're scum if GP isn't. In that if 2 share a season one is fake.This of course can be total BS. I need more claims to see.
Seems a little too broad, but worth exploring at least.
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@RationalMadman
Joebob wasn't like this DP last dp1s at all.You're wrong.He's much friendlier and jollier, this isn't his town style so far.
He does come off as a little more interactive than he did during the Indie Games DP1. I didn't keep much track of the other DPs since I was already out. Did he contribute more and was it mainly serious?
Wylted's logic is so stupid that he is probably scumI once Townread him when he was with you and Barney because I scumread you hard and figured Wylted cnanonly be so insanely irrational as Town.
I assume that "Townread" is supposed to say "Scumread".
Considering how much you clash with WyIted on the regular, I find this harder to believe out of hand. I find that he's often on an entirely different wavelength, and the amplitude of that wavelength isn't indicative of much. If anything, I tend to misread him more often when he's less rational.
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@Vader
Speak of the devil! Yes, my role came with a video of the best fight for my robot as well.
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VTL 7000series
At this point, I'm willing to put down a vote on 7k to get a full claim. Maybe this is just like WyIted says and 7k just doesn't care about the game, but he's playing it far more fast and loose this time and it comes off as scummy in a distinct way from his previous games.
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@RationalMadman
Pressure me or one of the 3.Pick one.Don't go for the lurkers. Make the most out of this DP, make the actives more active.
Give me a reason to pressure WyIted or JoeBob then because I've spent enough time going back and forth with 7k to no effect. Just telling me you're sussing them and want to put down more pressure isn't going to induce any change from me. Right now, I also don't see reason to pressure you, since WyIted's only got a feeling about it. So, yes, until I get some more solid reason to push on a given player beyond the kind of factionalizing you always seem prone to doing, or it at least gets a little later in the day and Vader hasn't responded, I'm going to keep my vote where it is.
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@WyIted
You should read his last game where he was at L1 claimed a PR then changed it to vanilla. Dude does not care about this game. He plays like badger
Literally quoted him doing that here.
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@RationalMadman
Please vote one of my 3 scumreads. I will vote with you if you don't choose joebob or leave it on joebob if you vote him.Rn you're doing junk pressure voting, let's make real pressure.
I don't scumread JoeBob. His posting looks just like his last game and while it's all fluff, that just reads null to me at this point. I would have scumread that last game (and did before I was NK'd), but now that I know it's his town play, I'm not going to jump on him for that alone.
As for Wylted, nothing has stood out as particularly scummy, though I'll admit I've had a hard time reading him in numerous games. What's your basis for scumreading him?
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@RationalMadman
For someone who was opposed to rushing the DP, I don't get why you're suddenly so antsy. Yes, it's a 48 hour DP. It started less than 12 hours ago, so no, I don't see a reason to rush at this stage and, as with literally every game I've done in recent memory, I'm going to try to spur activity so that I can get at least a basic read on everyone. If we get to later in the day and Vader hasn't posted, I'm fine with moving on, but I think I've already made clear who I think is scummy so that should be no secret at this stage.
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@Vader
This back and forth with 7k is going nowhere, so I'm at least going to try to get more involvement.
VTL Vader
You planning on joining this discussion? Also, good to have you back and love the Gurren Lagann pfp.
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@7000series
Yeah... you see how this behavior is different, right? If your goal is sincerely to just throw everyone for a loop by behaving suspiciously every game, then you would think you'd at least have some consistency to it.
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@Lunatic
Was he town in those games you mentioned? I haven't played with this individual so some context would be nice.
He was in the last two games and while I only did a bit of reading into the Wylted mafia game, I was involved in the Indie Games Mafia. In both games, he was town.
He does tend to just pick someone and tunnel them for a while without reasoning (he did so for Pie last game, who actually was scum), so his decision to make RM his target this game is a null tell to me. He also jumped targets and proceeded to do the same thing again in the middle of the DP before saying shit like this after his behavior was called out:
It looks like i'm already dead, and maybe I deserved that, but that doesn't make me the Mafia boss.
Notably, it's a more defeatist post than anything he's posted here so far. A couple of people jumped on the fact that he specifically said he wasn't the "Mafia boss" and there were some concerns with his claim, particularly since he soft-claimed a PR by saying:
My role IS useful, but I can't share it.
...before just straight up claiming vanilla. That stuck out to me in particular, as did his intransigence when it came to explaining why he said that.
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@ijb1
Apologies for the late response, I was a little busy. I don’t know what he wrote in his post but if it was more information like that then I would agree, that is extremely suspicious.
Worth reading back through the DP and getting caught up on the circumstances, then, especially since 7k is making this an "it's me or him" situation. I've been through enough of these to know that that's almost certainly BS, but it's still worth knowing what's going on.
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@WyIted
You seem very confident. How do you know his faction kills on odd nights?I just wouldn't put it past 7k to be in the same scum PM as him and be saying this and that would be why he is so confident
I have a hard time believing they're a scum team together, though immediately bussing his own scum partner and effectively outing himself in the process would make only a little less sense than his strategy so far.
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@7000series
I'll cut everybody a deal.Vote RationalMadman out, and if he's innocent, you guys can come after me.Deal?
You've said absolutely nothing to justify lynching RM. This is not a deal anyone will accept because you have given us no basis for participating in that lynch beyond a wild accusation that makes you look incredibly sus.
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@7000series
This is usually grounds for a modkill dude. Not sure if Austin will pull the trigger, but modifying DPs by editing or deletion is usually against the rules
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Anyway, I'll check back in, but I'm reading through a debate and there's not enough activity right now to do anything. I do want to make the most of this DP, though it seems 7k is just begging for another lynch at this point.
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@JoeBob
I wouldn't call that "improvement." I guess he's responsive at least, even if those responses just make it look like he's being flagrant about it now, rather than just making missteps and wondering why everyone's upset about them.
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@ijb1
Good to have you with us for this game! Have much experience with mafia? Just for activity:
VTL ijb1
What are your thoughts on 7k's behavior so far?
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@7000series
Fun. How's that working out for you so far? Because it certainly hasn't helped town these last two games.
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@7000series
You planning to explain anything about your behavior so far? A post that suggests you know more about scum behavioral restrictions than the OP states and a deleted response to me don’t exactly come off well, and you now have two games in a row where you’ve been scumread early for less.
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@AustinL0926
@7000series
My notifications say that 7k posted here mentioning me, but that post is clearly gone. Is he allowed to delete posts?
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@7000series
Rational Madman is in faction 1, and he will kill on odd nights. We need to get him out first.
You seem very confident. How do you know his faction kills on odd nights?
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@Greyparrot
Haven’t heard of a Bleeder before, but it seems like a bit of a weaker role, which is odd given that Austin is trying to balance town against two scum teams. Doesn’t seem like it does much to move that needle.
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Hey, back at it with a fun theme. I suspect most if not all of us are robots from modern Battlebots (i.e. after the Comedy Central days), which will mean I’ll have to do my research since I’ve only seen bits and pieces of the new seasons. I look forward to it, love watching these videos.
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@AustinL0926
Son of Whyachi... now that's a blast from the past.
Yeah, I was watching back in 2000 when S1 was airing. Loved all the crazy designs.
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@Mharman
Tombstone’s great, but more modern Battlebots. Minion, Son of Whyachi, El Toro, Nightmare and Backlash were my jam back when the series started.
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/in, watched a ton of Battlebots back in the day, though I’d be hard-pressed to remember all the names.
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Damn, I think I would have figured out that theme split, too. Oh well, never got the chance to try.
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