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@Mharman
Yup, was thinking about that. Applies here pretty well.
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AdaptableRatman (1/5): Mharman
Fun fact: Helicobacter pylori straddles an interesting line for gut microbes. It causes a lot of ulcers and many stomach cancers, but it also regulates stomach acid and keeps acid reflux in check. Pick your poison. Also, the scientist who "proved" that it causes ulcers literally swallowed a culture of it to demonstrate. Needless to say, he got ulcers.
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@ILikePie5
@Mharman
@Mikal
@WyIted
Go forth and multiply!
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Savant
@Casey_Risk
@AdaptableRatman
The outbreak begins!
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Welcome to Microbiology Mafia! I'll try to avoid too much technical information and jargon in this game, mainly to make sure everyone can understand what I'm posting. This game is all about bacteria, so despite my personal affection (yes, I do mean that) for them, there will be no viruses in here (sorry Ebola, not this time). No fungi or molecular parasites, either. I thought this would be a good opportunity to put out some fun facts about bacteria as this games goes on, so I hope people enjoy those.
To answer some of the obvious questions: there is a theme split, scum will be able to ask about two roles and two characters over the course of this DP as usual, I will attempt to keep up with the DP to the best of my ability and respond to both public and private questions (with limitations of course), and I'll attempt to keep an ongoing vote count going.
Going to stick to some pretty basic rules (once again, stealing these from Pie):
1) No editing or deleting posts of any kinds
2) No copy/pasting your role PM (please paraphrase)
3) No cryptography of any kind
4) No communication outside of the mafia game
5) No liking/upvoting posts after you die
6) No using ChatGPT/AI to paraphrase your PM
Everyone gets the drill by this point. I'll add extra rules if needed, but I don't suspect I'll have to do that.
All DPs will be 72 hours and NPs 24 hours unless the NP ends with everyone submitting actions earlier.
Remaining Players:
1. Savant
2. iamanabanana
3. Casey_Risk
4. Lunatic
5. Earth
6. Mharman
7. ILikePie5
8. Mikal
9. WyIted
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority for a lynch. This day phase will end on Thursday, 6/12/25 at 12:30 PM EST.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Savant
@Casey_Risk
@AdaptableRatman
Sorry about the delay guys, sort of fell off of this for a bit. I'm aiming to get PMs out by Sunday, start either later that day or on Monday.
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2. AdaptableRatman
3. Casey_Risk
4. Lunatic
5. Earth
6. Mharman
7. ILikePie5
8. Mikal
9. WyIted
Alright, we're set. Starting this will have to wait until the end of the week.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I mean, speaking as someone who isn’t going to make the detailed religious arguments, I’d probably focus on the community Judaism creates. I’d probably also put focus on where they place their focus (life vs. afterlife). Getting deeper into the liturgy isn’t my strong suit.
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It's late and I'm hopping off for the night. For now, suffice it to say that we will have further discussion of some of the issues that AdaptableRatman has raised, but the requirements he set for discussion, including abstention from using the proper nouns "Hitler" and "Nazis" as well as requirements for evidence to post claims like this are on hold.
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@AdaptableRatman
You are right and wrong at the same time imo. You should just say shut up, obey or leave. Make it that simple on matters like this.
I'm willing to clarify why I've made this decision as thoroughly as needed for others to understand it. Having done that, I'm good with leaving things here, but I'm also not just going to ignore them or use my position to force them to agree with me or remove them from the site because of their disagreement. That's just not a line I'm willing to cross.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'm frankly just not doing this back and forth. If you have more to say, say it, but I'm leaving this here for tonight and I'm not sure I'll return to it. You're supposing a lot in your responses, including that the absence of my checking a box by directly referencing the CoC somehow implies that I hadn't considered it. If that's what you believe, whatever. You can believe what you want. I'm not interested in convincing you and I'm not going to have a prolonged debate with you over this. I will, however, respond to a couple of points:
So when is it not inflammatory to tell someone that people just like them deserve to die? To suffer?
Interesting way to phrase that. No, Shila told this person that anyone in his community and family who died in the Holocaust deserved to die and suffer. Phrasing that as "people just like them" is certainly a way to put that. Noting as well the lack of response to Shila's question that pretty thoroughly suggested to this person that he and others like him are due further punishment. I'd call both of these decidedly inflammatory. You can disagree with that. You can say I never considered the words "inflammatory content" simply because I didn't type them and post them directly in my reasoning for the ban. That doesn't make it so.
And for the record, no, I'm not banning you to shut you up. You can continue to be indignant and you can disagree. But saying that it's being controversial or offensive somehow precludes it meeting the standard for inflammatory content is beyond me. It can be an opinion that's controversial, offensive and inflammatory, and the latter makes it a bannable offense. If it doesn't meet your standard for what makes something inflammatory, then I guess we have two very different standards. We don't have to agree and I'm not going to try to get you to agree.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
As Savant already said, this falls under "inflammatory content." I'd say it's decidedly inflammatory to repeatedly tell a practicing Jew that any harm that befell their family during the Holocaust was effectively something they incurred and deserved. I'd say it's inflammatory to then ask that person if they should "expect more punishment of the Jews?" which suggests that he and other Jews should anticipate further punishment in line with the Holocaust.
Shila was warned about posts like this a full four days before I stripped her of her forum posting privileges. She only argued that I hadn't warned her four days beforehand, despite the timestamp on the PM I sent her plainly showing otherwise, and otherwise accepted the ban. She didn't argue that anything she'd posted and I'd quoted to her was appropriate apart from saying that the harms the Jews incurred could have been avoided, which didn't address what was problematic about her posts at all.
So if you don't like that I didn't give a comprehensive list of examples and as complete of an explanation for why Shila was banned as possible, I can fix that. It's a good deal of posts and I can go through them and point to the specific language that led to her ban. I can then use the specific term "inflammatory content" and provide detailed reasoning for why it applies. I don't think that's necessary, but if you feel it's warranted here to give as much explanation as possible, I can do that.
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For the time being, I'm tabling the discussion of what moderation (if any) will be applied to this thread. The mod team will discuss this further separately and I will clarify what we determine after that discussion.
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7. ILikePie5
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Date: 5/31/25
Moderator: Whiteflame
Moderator: Whiteflame
Shila has been banned for two months for a series of posts dated May 2025. These posts include statements celebrating the Holocaust and further harm done to Jews in particular. After multiple warnings, these posts persisted. Encouragement of mass genocide, even if it's past, is still against site rules and is particularly egregious when the person in question is suggesting (if only in question) that "more punishment of the Jews" is due. On 5/23/25, Shila had her forum posting privileges revoked and, given a lack of response from her in the aftermath, I have decided to double the length of her previous ban.
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@AdaptableRatman
Just don't want anyone to feel left out. Plenty of time left.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
@JoeBob
@Owen_T
@Cerulean
@CatholicApologetics
Alright, that just about covers it.
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@Barney
@Mikal
@That2User
@AustinL0926
@iamanabanana
Still looking for more!
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@ILikePie5
Got it. We'll see when this starts, still unclear.
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@AdaptableRatman
Yeah… but it’s not my website. I can’t just bring ads to the site because I started this thread.
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@AdaptableRatman
If I had any control over it, I would consider it. It’s not my site dude, I don’t have control over these decisions.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, it’ll have to wait at least a few days, likely won’t start until Wednesday or Thursday at the earliest.
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Just going to assume he's in.
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@AdaptableRatman
He requested I start this one because he's canceling his. Hope he does it anyway, but doesn't seem like he will.
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@Vader
@Bullish
@Casey_Risk
@Moozer325
@AdaptableRatman
Putting this out to everyone.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@Mharman
@Savant
New game, fun facts ahead.
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Doing this one solo and seeing how it goes. Should be interesting.
This game will be themed on microbiology. I'm going to limit the focus to bacteria. There will be a theme split. Going to start this thing off with 9 slots and expand if interest does as well. I'm still working on the setup so there's room to figure things out if needed. No, you don't need to have detailed knowledge of microbiology to understand the theme. The aim will be to start sometime in a week or so.
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@WyIted
Alright, I’m still working on mine but I’ll try to expedite it. Hope you’re managing OK.
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Put me in as a backup for now. I’ll join if needed, though I’d prefer to take a break for a game.
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Yeah, this one was pretty frustrating to play through. Felt like there was nothing I could do to get out from being scumread in the second DP. Honestly thought my reasoning for why I wouldn’t claim like that as scum in a game with multiple fake claims available was pretty sound, though I guess I am coming off of a game where I mostly straight up claimed my own scum JOAT, so I guess I get it. Honestly don’t even know what I could have said after a certain point. Fully understand why Mikal was pushing it, though. Fair play.
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@Mharman
Yeah, I got thoughts, but I’ll save them for later.
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I am locking this thread until further notice.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
but it's not an existing rule, not if that MEEP vote is honored.
Considering this discussion regards RM's issues with an existing profile picture, this is mainly about my addressing his concern, not about whether we're going to actively enforce that rule. Also, considering that it hasn't yet been enforced and I'm stating reasons why I wouldn't enforce it, whether this is a rule that could be enforced is not at issue for the purposes of this response.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
was replaced by successful referendum, true or false?
Unless I’m mistaken, there were no specifics on this issue in that referendum. As far as policy goes on this front, it’s at least valid to point at existing rules and discuss what we should be doing, so I don’t mind looking at these rules as a basis for that discussion.
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@Savant
@AdaptableRatman
I think it’s valid to argue that it might qualify as “hateful,” though my view is that posting a picture of a historical person is not inherently hateful. Hitler might be an extreme example in this regard, but posting a picture of him doesn’t imply support for any specific action Hitler took or endorsed.
I’d agree with Savant here that, if we were to hold any image of Hitler as inherently hateful, then yes, there would also have to be some discussion of which historical persons meet the threshold sufficient for intervention and why. Just because the words in that rule are clear doesn’t mean the threshold for enforcement is spelled out, which warrants public discussion of this rule to sort out.
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Having looked through Shila's recent posts, I have decided to suspend her forum posting privileges for the time being.
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@AustinL0926
Well, you’re on now. Pretty sure I can fail this challenge and answer the question, dude.
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I’m off for the night since Austin’s apparently not around. We can pick this up tomorrow and he can challenge me then. Rather just get this over with anyway.
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@ILikePie5
Why? You just did it the previous game?
I did it the previous game… without fake claims… under pressure in DP1… claiming a role I knew wouldn’t be CC’d. Again, big blaring lights well ahead of my claim saying that Luna had already effectively CC’d it and, even setting that aside, just having these roles as scum absolutely did not mean that town didn’t have them. So not only would this be a much riskier venture, but an entirely unnecessary one because I’d have had options in the table that wouldn’t get CC’d and didn’t have a bright glowing neon sign over them from mod confirmation.
So you’re telling me that you believe her when she says she chose to visit Savant last second? She ranked you above Wylted, who was above Mharman as most likely to be scum.
I’m telling you I believe she visited Savant. That’s it. I don’t care that she sussed me, and I agreed with her scumread on Mharman.
That’s fine, but again, I feel that you’re not even open to the idea based on the way I see it.
I’m straight up saying people should explore this. I’m going to be dead by the end of this DP and I’m tired enough from a long day of flying as it is, so this is well below “sleep” on my mind right now.
She had you first on the list. WF, Wylted, Mharman. She also scumread Mikal and apparently Savant. She chose Savant after Wylted flipped guilty? It’s odd
So… I should scumread her for scumreading me? Really? As for the choice of Savant, again, if you have good reason to sus it, go ahead. Bed. Now.
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@ILikePie5
Well that’s exactly my point, I don’t think that should be enough for you to town read her especially considering the circumstances around her claim and her “null” read on Wylted basically the entire game.
Her read on WyIted was part of the reason I targeted her in the first place, since Mharman was sussing him, but I don’t think it outweighs the result. Having a bad call on WyIted is a factor, but not a given to be scummy.
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@ILikePie5
I’ve been fairly consistent in saying that that I think your character and role are real, just that the 3 roles are scum aligned. You claimed 2/3 roles that town could receive.
I’ve claimed 3/3, actually - the reward this DP is a watcher/tracker, so it’s 2 roles rolled into one. I still think it’s a baffling take.
I’m also surprised that you’re giving Banana a pass just because you saw her visit Savant. Why can she not be scum. At least that’s the vibe I’ve gotten. What about her behavior makes her townie. I also feel like you’ve ignored certain points, like Fear Factor being Casey’s claim because of the Joe Rogan link.
I didn’t say she’s lock town. I said I’m townreading her for being the only person whose visit I can verify. She absolutely could be scum and still have visited him, but it’s a factor from where I’m sitting. If there’s reason to push her based on the Joe Rogan link, fine. It’s not something I’ve really considered strongly, and I’ll leave that up to you guys to discuss. If you haven’t noticed, I’ve been a bit distracted this DP.
I also think your read on Mharman is purely based on POE vs behavior and I can’t recall who you think his scum partner would be.
Since I don’t have another scumread, I agree, I didn’t give him a likely scum partner. I did, however, point to several behavioral reasons that stood out to me last DP. Those haven’t changed and they’re not based on PoE.
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@AustinL0926
Alright. If everyone else is okay with ending the day early, I can do it as soon as Lunatic gets back to me.Tagging everyone right now, in case you want to give any last thoughts or want to tell me to wait a bit.
Good to go whenever.
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@ILikePie5
Why do you townread Banana?
Result. She went to the target she said she visited. Maybe she’s using that to get townread, but it’s one of the few pieces of info I have on another player that’s verified.
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