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@yachilviveyachali
This site reeks.
So we now have smelly debating, but I don't have the app.
And I don't drink spirits.
So I am virtuous in my abstinence.
And if there were a GOD, it would be most pleased.
But sadly we can only appease the wrath of immaturity, testosterone and fantasy.
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@AdaptableRatman
Nihilism is the remit of the suicidal.
As you should be aware, I regularly promote a purposeful Universe.
But, a purposeful Universe that doesn't necessitate fancy gowns and pointy hats.
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@AdaptableRatman
A few people dreamed up some ideas of Superman and sought to spread it around the World, and in doing so fucked up established cultures in order to establish a big new factionally integrated, fucked up culture.
I blame those that invented ships navigation and Superman.
What we need is a real Superman in a blue skinsuit and red underpants to descend from heaven, and tell us all to stop fucking about like idiots.
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@Swagnarok
@AdaptableRatman
In a non-authoritarian universal context, both good and evil are simply variable concepts relative to thinking blobs that inhabit a microscopic speck of cosmic dust that clings precariously to a mortal star.
So we know our preferences and are aware of our fears, but things don't always go as planned.
And when things go tits up, we shake our fists at the heavens and shout, EVIL BASTARDS!
But nothing is listening.
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@Sidewalker
@AdaptableRatman
Adolph Hitler played a key role in defining the 20th Century.
And Nazis has a become a latter day misinterpretation, of a 1930's and 40's German political organisation.
From where do you get the authority, to erase a 100 years of recent history?
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@RemyBrown
In so much as atheists are not stymied by oppressive religious indoctrination.
Whereby they can explore all avenues relating to creation and existence, including theism.
And for sure, none of which will impede material progress.
And perhaps some of which will be to a greater or lesser extent, politically affiliated...But we can also say the same about theists and pineapple farmers.
I expect that when a real AI takes over, it will be pragmatic.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Actually you don't.
Which is why Pink Unicorns exist on Plant Wooo.
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@yachilviveyachali
As a fairy tale character in a mythical novel, the superhero can predestine whatever the author/s thought was appropriate to the plot.
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@TheGreatSunGod
You don't get it.
Don't get what?
Your four simple words are neither concise nor succinct.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Prove it.
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@yachilviveyachali
I would not be Christian if I were not controlled by religious conditioning.
Probably not.
I for example were not not controlled by religious conditioning, therefore I am not theistic, nor am I deistic in a conventional sense.
I suppose that I am agnostic in so much as I hypothesise broadly about creation and existence...Therefore "GOD is spirit" is a reasonable analogical representation of creation and existence.
The Bible was written by Men, is an undeniable fact and does not require support.
As you said, "GOD is spirit".
And to suggest that biblical ideology and social control have never been inextricably linked, is a tad naive to say the least.
And free will is always a moot point.
And perfection is not guaranteed by a ritual contract of marriage.
Good child care is guaranteed by good parents or guardians.
And for sure, I am well versed in British history.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Stupid people think ideology.
In spite of the fact that ideology is a thought based activity.
One feels the need to point out that deistic theism is also ideological.
Perhaps it was a tad stupid to say that stupid people think ideologically.
Everything is essentially ideological...Even the way you put your socks on in the morning.
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@TheGreatSunGod
The one true GOD is the unthinking process, that pervades the entire Universe.
But during a very very very brief period of universal development, sentient and manipulative blobs of organic matter decided that it must be a bloke what did it.
And then they created AI.
And AI might come to a different conclusion.
There were no magical mystery men or Elephants BK.
Which isn't to say that there were not other sentient organic blobs.
But the likelihood is that they were also superseded by AI.
That's the thing with an unstoppable process of material development...GOD principle.
And BK and Zed were here and gone in a cosmic nanosecond.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Well I perhaps tried to be a slightly more diplomatic.
But the guy does have a certain propensity.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I neither criticise the person nor their ideology...They are perfectly entitled to freedom of thought.
I simply question their ability to MODERATE, given their current state of mind.
And if you are a MODERATOR, the above example of moderation was a tad immoderate to say the least.
And if a long standing site member's opinion does not matter, then things have already taken a dramatic downturn.
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@RemyBrown
So we develop an idea, we make laws, and we either do or do not conform to those laws.
And perfect people become the saviours of humanity.
It's the way it goes.
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@David
Not sure that a pseudo-Trumpian, born again evangelist as moderator, is particularly conducive to the necessities of moderation.
I think that the clue is in the word MODERATE.
But hey, lets wait and see.
There are always other places to go, and other things to do.
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@AdaptableRatman
Similarly, when ones identity primarily revolves around religion, things also get awkward.
We could say exactly the same about any other obsession.
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@TheGreatSunGod
For sure, you can think and say anything.
Proof is irrelevant.
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@AdaptableRatman
Judaists, Islamists and Christians all adapt their idea of GOD from the same premise, so it's essentially the same idea and the same GOD.
The only difference is in the ritual.
Though no version is likely to be accurately representative of the truth surrounding creation and existence.
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@AdaptableRatman
It was a joke.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Nope, you've decided to say that a GOD exists.
Which doesn't prove that a GOD actually exists.
Just substitute the word GOD with Pink Elephant ...Et voila, a Pink Elephant exists.
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@AdaptableRatman
Some might construe laughing at ones own jokes as being a tad narcissistic.
But I wouldn't dream of doing so.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Trinity is three things, like plum crumble and custard.
Thing is though, you could always just have plums and custard, or add a scoop of ice cream.
Same with a holy trinity, you could also have just a twosome or even a foursome.
The holy daughter for example...Though back in the day Middle Eastern folk were a tad misogynistic...Some still are.
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@TheGreatSunGod
I am a product of the Universe, wherein I continually promote the GOD principle.
Though the GOD principle is not a magical mystery man who was made up by ignorant folk in the Middle East a few thousand years.
I also promote the idea of a universal super-intelligence that instigated evolution on Planet Earth many billions of years ago.
Though a universal super-intelligence doesn't necessarily have a beard and wear sandals...But you never know.
Hey, maybe he was cruising past one day, got a bit horny, and found himself a cute Judean babe for the night.
I can also run with the idea of purposelessness.
I don't know the answer and neither do you or the Ratman.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Don't insult by quoting out of context.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Jealousy is what it is.
Every one is born with similar potential and opportunity. (Though I generalise with regard to "western" societies).
It's just that most people don't or can't realise their full economic potential, and then spend the rest of their lives running down and name calling those that do.
As long as you have a roof over your head, a safe bed to sleep in and food on the table, then the 24 hours of a billionaires day is going to be pretty much the same as yours.
Wake up, eat, piss, shit, strive to do something then back to sleep again...And repeat...And then become decrepit and eventually die.
Excessive amounts of money in the bank, does not mean immortality, and neither does it guarantee contentment.
It just means you can buy all sorts of unnecessary gadgets to play with occasionally, and eventually get bored with.
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@AdaptableRatman
Perhaps the Christians knew the Hindu GODS and got demonically led astray.
Or perhaps all religion is just superstitious bollocks.
I'm inclined to think the latter.
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@AdaptableRatman
The Holy Spirit is working within you.
LOL
I sometimes wonder if BK drinks too much Holy Spirit.
And the more I hear from the born again Catholic and the reinvented Sungod, the more I'm inclined to think, that the pair of you are just having a laugh.
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@TheGreatSunGod
As I stated, it is not possible to insult an ideology.
It is only possible for religiously inspired people to create an internal idea of insult.
I create atheistic argument, and you create your own insult, because beguiled by the Ratman you have temporarily decided to go all pious on us.
Whereas yesterday you were a lie abed, polytheistic, casual chicken farmer, without a care in the World.
What will you be next BK?
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@n8nrgim
Fundamentally it's all about the survival of the fittest and the transfer of genetic information.
We dress it up as structured societies with rules and controls...Government as it were.
Money supply is basically a system of control.
SO if metaphorically, A is fitter than B, then A is likely to accrue more money than B...It's the inevitability of intellectual inequality.
Which is why communism, although a good idea on paper, will never actually work in practice...Because A will always oppress B...And B will always be oppressible.
Discussions like this, tend to get hung up on the window dressing of intellectually advanced societies...And overlook the basic reality of the human condition.
In my opinion...(But nonetheless, viewed as a microcosm of Universal potential).
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@yachilviveyachali
Some might argue that you are traumatised by religious and social oppression.
And that your arguments are therefore stereotypical misunderstandings of the lives of ordinary people from different cultures, with differing viewpoints.
For example, I referred to the unnecessity of contractual marriage and divorce, which you turned into the completely separate issue of child abuse.
Child abuse is just as likely to occur within a contractual marriage as it might within any other sort of family arrangement.
Marriage cannot alter the mindset of a bad parent/s.
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So if GOD bestowed us with intellect, then why is it "rather unimportant"?
This seems like a massive contradiction.
Not that in anyway I run with archaic Middle Eastern MANGOD hypotheses.
Though I do see such archaic ideas as being analogically representative of a greater universal purpose, wherein intellect is key to material development.
Call it a GOD principle if you like, but don't confuse this with a magical mystery man with a beard and sandals.
And by the way, the Bible was written by men who sought the power and authority to control and dictate the lives of others.
MANGOD was just symbolically representative of a punishment that awaited those who digressed...Basically mind control...Just as yours is controlled by your religious conditioning.
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@TheGreatSunGod
I don't
Then why do you go on about it, instead of ignoring it?
What I write is a sincere assessment of what I see as theological non-sense.
There's no way that I can force you to take umbrage.
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@Mharman
Hmmmmm.
I would suggest that the best we can learn from the past, is how we could improve things in the future.
And though there might be an improvement in thinking in some societies, there is still a long way to go in other societies that are dogged by archaic separatism, ideology and resentment.
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@yachilviveyachali
Do you see a fundamental universal purpose in the evolution of intellect, and therefore the further evolution of matter?
Why did humans not remain the same as other animals?
If there is no greater purpose beyond appeasing the whims of an archaic MANGOD, then why do you worry about the inconsequentiality of human functional existence?
What I am suggesting is, that all human behaviour is perhaps the inevitable consequence of a greater purpose.
Which would include, you worrying about what others do with their bodies, me not caring what others do with their bodies and others doing as they please with their bodies.
Nonetheless, material development goes on apace, unaffected by the whimsey of human overthink.
As for other peoples marriages and divorce, they are trivia that do not interest me much.
Though it is just as feasible to reside contentedly with a partner and family, without all the fuss and bother of a marriage contract.
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@AdaptableRatman
Nasa, 1958.
Pythagoras. 570 BC.
We don't know the thickness.
Some theory.
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@TheGreatSunGod
You can.
Only if you want me to.
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@AdaptableRatman
Acting?
Cath's, Prot's.
Rival GOD botherers.
Once, both as bad as each other.
Today, in the main more civilised.
Don't see what 21st century Britishness has got to do with it.
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@AdaptableRatman
I think that Caths also had a propensity for treating non-Caths nastily...And not necessarily a UK thing
It was sort of an era of general inter-faith inter-tribal nastiness...And as a human phenomenon, nothing really new.
Some of us have civilised a bit since then...But certainly not all.
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@TheGreatSunGod
If people wish to feign insult via association, then such insult is of their own making.
One cannot directly insult an ideological concept...One might as well insult a brick wall.
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@AdaptableRatman
Based upon your asteroid principle, we did sort of concluded that MANGOD is responsible for everything...Including therefore, hedonism, nihilism, happy pills and slavery.
Or are you saying that MANGOD is only responsible for asteroids and Catholicism...Oh, and flat planets.
Though I'm interested to know how thick is flat Earth, and at what point does a flat planet become cylindrical.
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@AdaptableRatman
Well, flat Earth theory is as flat Earth theory does.
Even though spherical Earth has long since been disregarded as theoretical...But let's not get drawn into flat Earth.
And MANGOD sent the asteroid...I wouldn't expect anything less.
Though if MANGOD is responsible for everything, the he's responsible for everything, and not just the bits that you want him to be responsible for.
And for sure, the once regional dominance of oppressive Catholic societies, will have undoubtedly dominated scientific research and discovery for a while.
But this is to overlook, human social and intellectual development that occurred previously, later and elsewhere.
And so, our bodies aspire to procreate, and if like attracts like, then any issue will inevitably develop accordingly...It's the way it goes...And the reason why human society upon planet Earth is as it is...Just the way MANGOD intended it to be I suppose.
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@TheGreatSunGod
I merely asked you not to mock religions.
And I merely explained that I question religion...And in doing so, one will inevitably point out religion's flaws.
And religion with it's associated ritualism, as a creation and existence hypothesis, is hopelessly flawed.
Which certainly isn't to say that the GOD principle can be overlooked.
Nonetheless, there is a huge difference between a purposeful universal process and pious men dressing up in gowns and pointy hats to recite gibberish.
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@ebuc
Expectations are differently taught I suppose.
Perhaps to some extent depending upon what latitude ones physiology is attuned to, in relation to metabolic demands.
I always find it fascinating that morbidly obese people don't seem to recognise and respond to their situation...Mind is seemingly unable to influence subconscious demands...An addiction I suppose.
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Higher education is a business that requires a continuous throughput of clients.
And society requires both genii and work horses...And a whole raft of reasonably educated folk in between.
So as long as educational institutions continue to produce the necessary goods, then all is fine.
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@FLRW
Yep, he just missed the last one.
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@Greyparrot
Yep, I think that is a reasonable assessment.
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@yachilviveyachali
Morality is a made up concept relative to a made up concept...As are GOD hypotheses
And sex is a base function relative to procreation, which intellectual man/woman has overthought ever since they first realised that sex was also enjoyable.
So, global societies evolved separately and therefore differently, with different attitudes towards sex and theism.
And none of those societies have a greater or lesser authority over human behaviour.
It seems you don't want your daughters to become prostitutes, or be promiscuous without getting compensated for it. Why is this?
WTF does this mean?
If you weren't so naive, I would perhaps take exception to this remark.
Though somewhat ironically, repressive cultures are generally the ones that sell their daughters into arranged marriages.
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