zedvictor4

When you say "Mix" what do you mean?

Do you imagine that gay sex, is all about 20 blindfolded gay men being ushered into a room and then swirled about.

And when the blindfolds are removed the young 20 year olds are compelled to fellate the nearest 60 year old.

Do you think that gay sex does not involve mutual consent, people of other ages and varying modus operandi.

Where do you get your information from?

Maybe some people actually enjoy gay sex....Have you ever considered that?

None of those scenarios you refer to are major problems here in the U.K.

Why would that be?

OK. So we don't have Bears.

Chapter 2.

Well, my frame of reference back in the early 60's was my home village of less than 100 people. I had very little access to T.V. or radio.

Mid 60's onwards I went to school in a neighbouring village  and so during school hours my frame of reference broadened slightly, but away from school I always returned to the insularity of my home patch.

Yes my issue probably is that the world is now too fast paced for me, but as I was realistic enough to suggest earlier, I'm  happy to concede that I am the one whose pace doesn't match the requirements of modern society. Nonetheless, one can still find a lifestyle reminiscent of the past, though the demands of modernity are still ever present 

As for Empire.

The lives of both my parents were overshadowed by WW2. And so their thoughts and ideas and consequently mine, were not fashioned by Empire. In fact I think that Empire was already a weakening influence in the wider British society by then. My Dad witnessed some pretty atrocious stuff in Germany at the end of the War, which deeply affected him and further diminished his respect of old style Britishness, especially the hypocrisy of Monarchy. Which If you think about it, the problems that  beset Europe for over 100 years and probably still do today, can all be traced back to the machinations of one family.

And to give credit to you guys, two World Wars had shown the British public that British security no longer lay in Empire, but in the U.S.A.

In fact my Dad always used to say that we were now the 51st State.

I was intrigued by your notion, that oral pleasure was given to the older by the younger.

How did you come to this conclusion?

More U.S. stupidity then.

And so, before you can reform gun Law, you will need to tackle this one first..

I agree with you and I wish you well.

But I'm not sure how representative of the American public you are.

Pity that Adam and Eve were Vegans.

Or they would have eaten the bloody snake instead.

And I wouldn't have been compelled, to spend my whole life sinning.

Aren't Vegans just perfect.

Just don't give him a big button that says do not press.

We have know way of directly knowing what external reality is.

All we have is an internal simulation derived from incoming sensory signals.

Interpretation, conclusions and ongoing decisions may vary.

Normality is a collective set of decisions that can only be taught, so normality and therefore expectations can easily vary too.

So put in context, if we (children) are now taught by a large enough collective that transgenderism is normal, then the concept of transgenderism  will become an established programme.

And then factor into that the base programme of procreation and sexual development and all the ridiculous added baggage that human society attaches to sexual development and procreation.

It's no wonder is it.

Quite frankly, if society didn't pander to the acquired whims of minority sub groups.

But hey, society goes crazy for the stuff.

After all, what's less mundane than Mum and Dad and 2.4 kids.....Mum and Dad's inner fantasies, that's what.

It's a bit like asking which is the most exciting....Peace in The Ukraine, or a Russian helicopter being downed by a hand launched S.A.M.

For sure.

Psychology relies upon the unverifiable psychological integrity of the psychologist.

And do we know what normal is actually meant to be like?

Yeh, but do you think he actually gets an erection.

Maybe a twitch.

Nah, just a memory pang that stimulates his piss gland.

Old Joe's no threat to kiddies, just a threat to the entire human race.

Though I'm sure that his carers keep a close eye on him.

My old folk were also devout atheists.

Though they always had fish every Friday.

Sort of a subliminal nod to the past I suppose.

Dad would have herring or sprats, whatever was cheapest.

Sister and me would always have fish fingers.

And I can't remember what mum had.

Probably a piece of stale bread dipped in my Dads fish fat. (Times was hard)

Sister was always ill on Friday evenings.

Took them years to work out that she was allergic to white fish.

Though to be fair, allergies hadn't really caught on back in the day.

Life must have been hell for all those gluten and lactose intolerant people.

Couldn't believe the Name.

I expected him to be a short round guy wearing  a pork pie hat.

So how can one man block something?

Isn't America a democratic society, where majority rules?

Yep.

Q. Who do Welsh Fishermen pray to.

A. COD.

Q. Why does my COD always get a bad deal.

A. Because I always batter it.

Q. Why are Welsh Fishermen a lost cause.

A. Because they have no sole.

I was born on a Good Friday 15. 4. 1960.

I can't remember if we had fish.

And yes I'll get the trout to pick some up.

Ooops. (Freudian slip)

I mean, I'll get Mrs Zed to pick up some trout.

Hopefully most kids respect their parents efforts.

I think that the big difference between me back then and children of today, is the fact that we were never emburdened with the expectations provided by instant access to a global society.

So here's a question for you:

Is technology actually beneficial to the human species, or is it that humans are only empowering technological evolution?

So she returned with.

A Pack of four.

But I never question Mrs Zeds integrity.

She always gets 10 out of 10 for effort.

Mrs Zed is just off to the shops.

I'm putting in an order for another pack of six.

I also do baby Jesus proud at Christmas by stuffing myself senseless with all his puddings and cakes and turkey and tins of chocolates and brussels sprouts.

They certainly knew how to have a good time in Nazareth back in the day.

And for sure, we must certainly pray to those Judean bun makers.

Is Bun the new religion Deb?

LGBT is just utilising modern media to highlight and normalise taboo sexuality.

Which might or might not be working.

We still seem as hung up on penises and vaginas and what we should or shouldn't do with them, as we ever were. Which is probably a problem created by pious old religious men rather than by sexual deviants.

Lower reproductivity is the associated issue, and I would suggest is less to do with sexual taboo and more to do with social media inspired expectation.  

Maybe, it's just how things are meant to progress. Subtle human decline and the human inspired rise of A.I.

Onwards into the future and into the Cosmos.

And we can stop here and bicker and fight about trivia, such as culture and nationhood and what to do with penises and vaginas.

Sadly, shootings are just another facet of American society.

As is the media circus and hype that follows.

As is the political and wider social indifference.

It's something that you've come to expect and learned to live with.

I can't see much changing. Can you?

People will always kill people, but guns make the job easier.

Well.

How do you define objectivity?

As I see it, Christian doctrine is wholly subjective.

Ok, so I'm an atheist, but my observation is based upon my understanding of definition relative to the subject matter.

Any doctrine is made up, and so therefore subjective.

Chapter 1.

Well, I expect that if you ask any American born in 1960's rural USA, how life and society has changed, they would say the same as me.

Life was simple, straightforward not blighted by an over expectation to achieve stuff that doesn't really need achieving.

Can you imagine a life with no computers and no hand held devices? 

No telephone in fact, save for the one down the road in the telephone box. Communication with people beyond ones local community was by mail.

Very few private cars. Neither of my parents ever learned to drive.

If you needed to get to the local town for shopping etc. You went on the bus which ran twice a week on Wednesdays and Saturdays. But that was it, you went out of necessity rather than any desire to do so.

To be fair, what seemed idyllic to me, was probably tough for my parents. But I'm grateful to them for affording me those few years of childhood contentment, which will always be the happiest years of my life.

Nor Chocolate Eggs.

Transgenderism is a conditioned state of mind,

Conditioned by social trend and therefore social expectation.

Hey,

It was just a few kids and a few teachers.

Good TV.

Plenty of drone work I expect.

And the shooter copped it,

Which proves that guns are,

Brilliant.

Well, how old are you?

If you're my age you would understand.

Objective Christian doctrine.

Hmmmmmmm.

So, if this is the basis of objectivity, then any narrative qualifies.

Hot cross buns, yum.

Went away for a few days,

And came down with Covid.

Don't forget to social distance.

10000 miles should be OK.

The Saurus.

The Reptilian.

Yep, a bit warmer down south.

You forgot the procreate bit.

Or the bit where humans go through the motions of procreation.

Eat, work, have sex.

Though unless we can definitively decide between chance or purpose, there might or might not be anything else.

Oops.

I see that Melchy doesn't even like sort of Christians now.

The brazenly brainwashed ones.

What my dear old mum would refer to as,

The Pot calling the Kettle Black. (Kettle of colour)

The good bit is the last page.

And they all lived happily ever after.

The End.

I want an avatar.

Head,

Blank,

Agape.

Tilting,

Scratched.

Hmmmmmmm.

There's a certain irony in wanting an avatar.

But I'm not a Hindu either.

Who's Melchy talking to.

Certainly can't be me or you.

Must be Trade.

Well.

Within the context of our discussion I regard our individual input as personal.

And if you read my stuff here on DebateArt you will find that I have a consistent view with regard to internal data processing, wherein all output is subject to interpretation. That is to say always subjective, despite the collectively agreed veracity of certain data.

There you go again with another frustrated and highly subjective dig Trade.

I would simply say:

That the energy contained within a living organism is just that. You, Me and the Dog all the same.

So to sum up:

Your views when compared to a more pious Christian, indicate a questioning uncertainty, which inevitably outs as contradiction.

Hmmmmmmm.

You can always tear out the pages and wipe your arse on them.

It's what they did back in the War.

Then compost the combined efforts....Sh*t + Bullsh*t.

 And dig for victory.

Potatoes, beans and brussels sprouts et al, as it were.

Or vice versa?

No actual idea.

What I was alluding to, was that successive generations, acquire formative memories that are completely different to that of previous generations.

So my fondest memories are of childhood in the 60's and 70's. 

Whereas my children's fondest memories will most likely be from the 80's and 90's.

But for sure, some kids have shit time of it. 

And so the above is a generalisation based upon a reasonably stable family that grew to adulthood, experiencing pre-21st century British culture.

I feel fortunate in that respect.

A perfect example of personal interpretation.

As was mine.

Though mine was based upon the fairly certain knowledge that we are composed of the stuff of the Universe, and that one day soon, our mass will breakdown and it's parts will return to the universe.

Makes sense I think.

Though, I still think that the general theist/christian interpretation clings on to the notion of some sort of residual immortality that possesses awareness.

Which in some aspects could be interpreted as the same as my notion.....But with an awareness bit added on for peace of mind..

So where exactly do you stand on the issue.

Do we actually agree?

No afterlife awareness.

Albeit, your living soul is a bit more spiritual than mine.

Not that I don't run with the idea that internal electro-chemical processes can produce what might be described as a sensation of spirituality.

I strongly protest.

I am neither lazy, nor a nerd.

Only joking.

Though I still think that I am neither lazy nor a nerd.

Hopefully all Americans are Democratic Republicans.

As opposed to Autocratic Monarchists for example.

Or Put and Pings best mates.

You probably wouldn't even need to say anything.

He had guilt written all over his face Guv.

I also strongly advise the Jury that the young choir boy had a bad cold and the time, and it was actually snot all over his face.

Of course your honour.

Yep.

I've seen this before.

I love the face he pulls as he realises the gaff.

That surely was a Freudian slip.

That's the trouble with giving these slow old guys access to microphones.

To be fair, I also remember a stand up routine he did at some dinner/event, and he was quite good.... But younger.

An obligation to not harm.

Hmmmmm.

7)

So I take it then, that harm only means financial harm, and is nothing to do with physical harm.

But you then go on about the vegan thing, 

And just to let you know......Without Solar there would not be life on Earth.

For sure, if nuclear reactors could be effortlessly constructed and decommissioned, then they would be the perfect solution to our energy obsession.

Not sure about your fiscal policies.

Though isn't income tax how we contribute financially to the upkeep of things like social infrastructure, administration, defence etc.

Moral code.....Hmmmmmmmm

More of an eclectic ideological melange.

@Malcharaz

Hmmmm

As a contented atheist.

I cannot deny that since it's invention some 2000 years hence, the oftentimes ruthless power the Christian concept has held over the lives of people and the development of human society.

Truth, is neither here nor there. 

Scripture, is some accompanying text what blokes like Paul wrote.

And if one wishes to be a Christian....Just wear the appropriate label.

My advice is a cup of tea a biscuit and a nap at 3pm....Does one the world of good.....No GOD required.

Though musing the GOD concept is an occasionally entertaining mental exercise.....Purpose or not as it were.

As I see it, religious obsessives are some of the biggest stress merchants to be found.

Hmmmmm.

Notwithstanding the American public's obsessive demands for oil.

If there was enough in Alaska, you wouldn't need to import it from the Middle East.

If it ain't DooDoo pants Biden, it was D'oh D'oh  pants Dubya.

Some more of that unbiased reporting again.

Yep.

Angelic Afroman.

Evil Cops.

Typically unbiased reporting I'm sure.

Unless it was Bishop what's his name.

And what's his name Rat Zinger was the judge.

I strongly advise the jury not to find the honourable gentleman guilty of having a choir boy up his cassock.

The young man was quite clearly playing hide and seek.