zedvictor4

Yep, a bit warmer down south.

You forgot the procreate bit.

Or the bit where humans go through the motions of procreation.

Eat, work, have sex.

Though unless we can definitively decide between chance or purpose, there might or might not be anything else.

Oops.

I see that Melchy doesn't even like sort of Christians now.

The brazenly brainwashed ones.

What my dear old mum would refer to as,

The Pot calling the Kettle Black. (Kettle of colour)

The good bit is the last page.

And they all lived happily ever after.

The End.

I want an avatar.

Head,

Blank,

Agape.

Tilting,

Scratched.

Hmmmmmmm.

There's a certain irony in wanting an avatar.

But I'm not a Hindu either.

Who's Melchy talking to.

Certainly can't be me or you.

Must be Trade.

Well.

Within the context of our discussion I regard our individual input as personal.

And if you read my stuff here on DebateArt you will find that I have a consistent view with regard to internal data processing, wherein all output is subject to interpretation. That is to say always subjective, despite the collectively agreed veracity of certain data.

There you go again with another frustrated and highly subjective dig Trade.

I would simply say:

That the energy contained within a living organism is just that. You, Me and the Dog all the same.

So to sum up:

Your views when compared to a more pious Christian, indicate a questioning uncertainty, which inevitably outs as contradiction.

Hmmmmmmm.

You can always tear out the pages and wipe your arse on them.

It's what they did back in the War.

Then compost the combined efforts....Sh*t + Bullsh*t.

 And dig for victory.

Potatoes, beans and brussels sprouts et al, as it were.

Or vice versa?

No actual idea.

What I was alluding to, was that successive generations, acquire formative memories that are completely different to that of previous generations.

So my fondest memories are of childhood in the 60's and 70's. 

Whereas my children's fondest memories will most likely be from the 80's and 90's.

But for sure, some kids have shit time of it. 

And so the above is a generalisation based upon a reasonably stable family that grew to adulthood, experiencing pre-21st century British culture.

I feel fortunate in that respect.

A perfect example of personal interpretation.

As was mine.

Though mine was based upon the fairly certain knowledge that we are composed of the stuff of the Universe, and that one day soon, our mass will breakdown and it's parts will return to the universe.

Makes sense I think.

Though, I still think that the general theist/christian interpretation clings on to the notion of some sort of residual immortality that possesses awareness.

Which in some aspects could be interpreted as the same as my notion.....But with an awareness bit added on for peace of mind..

So where exactly do you stand on the issue.

Do we actually agree?

No afterlife awareness.

Albeit, your living soul is a bit more spiritual than mine.

Not that I don't run with the idea that internal electro-chemical processes can produce what might be described as a sensation of spirituality.

I strongly protest.

I am neither lazy, nor a nerd.

Only joking.

Though I still think that I am neither lazy nor a nerd.

Hopefully all Americans are Democratic Republicans.

As opposed to Autocratic Monarchists for example.

Or Put and Pings best mates.

You probably wouldn't even need to say anything.

He had guilt written all over his face Guv.

I also strongly advise the Jury that the young choir boy had a bad cold and the time, and it was actually snot all over his face.

Of course your honour.

Yep.

I've seen this before.

I love the face he pulls as he realises the gaff.

That surely was a Freudian slip.

That's the trouble with giving these slow old guys access to microphones.

To be fair, I also remember a stand up routine he did at some dinner/event, and he was quite good.... But younger.

An obligation to not harm.

Hmmmmm.

7)

So I take it then, that harm only means financial harm, and is nothing to do with physical harm.

But you then go on about the vegan thing, 

And just to let you know......Without Solar there would not be life on Earth.

For sure, if nuclear reactors could be effortlessly constructed and decommissioned, then they would be the perfect solution to our energy obsession.

Not sure about your fiscal policies.

Though isn't income tax how we contribute financially to the upkeep of things like social infrastructure, administration, defence etc.

Moral code.....Hmmmmmmmm

More of an eclectic ideological melange.

@Malcharaz

Hmmmm

As a contented atheist.

I cannot deny that since it's invention some 2000 years hence, the oftentimes ruthless power the Christian concept has held over the lives of people and the development of human society.

Truth, is neither here nor there. 

Scripture, is some accompanying text what blokes like Paul wrote.

And if one wishes to be a Christian....Just wear the appropriate label.

My advice is a cup of tea a biscuit and a nap at 3pm....Does one the world of good.....No GOD required.

Though musing the GOD concept is an occasionally entertaining mental exercise.....Purpose or not as it were.

As I see it, religious obsessives are some of the biggest stress merchants to be found.

Hmmmmm.

Notwithstanding the American public's obsessive demands for oil.

If there was enough in Alaska, you wouldn't need to import it from the Middle East.

If it ain't DooDoo pants Biden, it was D'oh D'oh  pants Dubya.

Some more of that unbiased reporting again.

Yep.

Angelic Afroman.

Evil Cops.

Typically unbiased reporting I'm sure.

Unless it was Bishop what's his name.

And what's his name Rat Zinger was the judge.

I strongly advise the jury not to find the honourable gentleman guilty of having a choir boy up his cassock.

The young man was quite clearly playing hide and seek.

You think that I deny.

And I think that you deny.

Though as long as we are both content with our comparative denials, then all is well.

And any ongoing or residual energy afforded by our component parts, can be referred to as a soul if you like. I've no problem with that.

Well, an obvious example would be the generation of electricity and the development of technology from there on in.

Though prior to that, utilising scientific methodology a whole raft of new understanding had been developed.

Metallurgy and engineering, physiology and medicine, astronomy........The list is near endless.]

Which is not to suggest that material development is something new. It's basically what we call evolution, which includes the development of us, and our role in the further exponential development of matter.

And yet some people are still prepared to accept that a mystery being, a pregnant woman, a baby and a stable are the be all and end all of everything.

Without the slightest need for a bit of up to date re-evaluation.

As far as I know there's no such thing as artificial/alternative intelligence yet.

Just increasingly more sophisticated data handling devices.

It won't be long though, when you consider the exponential development of technology.

300 million years and we discover electricity generation, 200 years and we're already on the verge of real A.I.

Human redundancy, the human comedy show for the fascination and amusement of a device somewhere.

Endlessly squabbling blobs of organic matter, arguing the toss over fantastic deities or bits of a planetary surface.

I'm bilingual.

Nope, I said bilingual.

I'm looking out for you Deb.

The kettles on.

That's the trouble.

If you're a dyed in the wool Conservative Republican, you'll have to vote for whosoever's name ends up on the ballot paper.

But hey, conservatism is as conservatism does.

How conservative do you want things?

If it's simply all about the contentiously contradictory pro-guns, pro-life and anti-choice stuff then Ron's perhaps your man.

Though as I see it, a President should be the global representative of all Americans, rather than someone who dictates a one sided domestic agenda.

So we're good for a year or two yet?

Though the U.S. is bombing Syria again now....All a part of the strategic game I suppose.

How we evaluate data relative to developed understanding.

We simply know more now than we did then.

So gaps in our understanding of material processes, are no longer filled with often fantastical hypotheses.

Which is not to say that there are still no gaps.

Nope.

In terms of data processing, one can only frustrate oneself.

And I suppose that we are both the epitome of a point of view.

And wherein do you imagine lies my instability.

Hmmmmm, this paragraph just seemed like another series of frustrated digs to me Trade.

Let's just be content to disagree about the GOD concept.

I would suggest that satisfaction comes from contentment, and further suggest that contentment is one of the benefits getting older. More to do with natural physiology than conscious data management. Though there is a balance to be made, not overburdening the brain, whilst also keeping it active.

Well, the Cock.

Because he's sexually mature in less than a year.

You did mean "cum"?

I was brought up on tractors.

In Worcestershire.

Left for Wales though.

As you know.

Too true.

I.I.B.

Hey.

Is that you and your favourite Cock.

I can't read.

And I can't write.

But that don't really matter,

Cus I lives in Worcestershire.

And I can drive a tractor.

I think you were winging it there.

Did you men Bannockburn.

And I'm just not sure if there are enough sensible people in the World to sort things out.

Though what that really means, I don't know.

@Malcharaz.

One cannot mock that which is not known to exist.

And scripture is written stuff for sure, so undeniable. Though content is certainly open to debate.

And if your definition of trolling is a difference of opinion expressed, then you've certainly come to the wrong place.

Though, as ever:

GOD principle sound.

Floaty about magical men not so.

So, let's start at the beginning again.

Where actually is this guy?

Then,  if we've established his location we can fast forwards several billion years and discuss some texts a group of Middle Eastern/Mediterranean type blokes put together a couple of thousand years ago.

We can even ignore  all the stuff that went on in between if you like.

Stuff like the gradual agglomeration of matter and the formation of the physical Universe.

And species decline and species development.

The sort of stuff that scripture guys didn't know about.

Culture evolves as people and technology dictate.

Ireland is still a great place to visit.

Pity the ferries are so costly, or I would visit more often.

Nationalist dickheads dwell in the darkest recesses of all societies.

Over here in Wales, they still harp on about reservoirs.

And spit and growl in the old tongue, that virtually no one else understands, save for a few people in the Argentinian backwoods.

That's a progressive world culture for you.

And the English have got Sam Smith.....Doh.

I'm British by the way, of Earthling heritage.

Top of the morning Doc.

Technology is the way forwards in all aspects of social and material evolution.

We're in a transitional phase, between human Intelligence and alternative intelligence.....Probably always were.

1. Still thrashing about searching our imaginations for the unknowable answer.

2. Occasionally sitting down and going ohmmmmmmmm, hoping that the answer will effortlessly appear.

3. In between times, continuously glued to our personal devices looking for something to distract us from the effort of existence.

4. Eat, drink, s**t, p*ss, alleviate procreational urges, roll over go to sleep and dream. Until tomorrow.

5. Death......Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Solution found.

2. Yep.

Well, come on.

One step across the imaginary line in the desert and your in Egypt.

It's not plagiarism is it.

It's simply transferred shared and modified  ideas.

And then ship it to Rome, and Bob's your Uncle.

And send it on a Camel to Mecca, and Fanny's your Aunty.

No place for the Alfa Guy in the woke world.

And yet, take a look at Social Media and it is awash with babes getting their tits and arses out for money.

What a crazy mixed up species of mad sociopaths we are.

Timeline and location inextricably link them.

Get real.

It's not as if the "Holy Land" was surrounded by an impenetrable force field until J came along.

What will I care?

I firmly believe that I had the fortune and pleasure of existing in the best of times. (1960's)

Though does everyone say this?

Everything human, seems to be going tits up now.

All hail A.I.

It's fiction.

Anything is permissible in Fictionland.

Bound to happen.

It's where the s**t was inevitably going to stick.

So who are the original British?

Some might say the Celts, but they are considered to be of Eurasian origin.

And there have been a succession of invaders and immigrants since then.

The Romans a came before the English/Angles, though the Roman invaders were a mish mash of people from all across Europe and North Africa anyway.

And somewhere in between, there were the Nordic Vikings.

Oh! And the Saxons and Normans.

Who have I forgot Stephen?

British, really is whosoever is there at the time of asking.

Not sure if the Neanderthals made it here.

Same for the little country of the UK.

Though my kids don't see it as I see it....And so on.

And I'll be dead in 20 years or so (or less).  

And, who will be British then.

Well, the British I suppose, though they will not look quite the same as the did 60 years ago.

Worrying about, is like pissing in the wind. (I love that expression).

Mine's a nice cool pint of IPA thank you.

And the Missus will have a half of Guinness.

Regards Zed.

Hey. 

Sleazy Orange Guy walks around with a target on his chest.

What the f**k do you expect.

LOL.

Well, the current basis of theism is ignoring 21st century knowledge and logic, in favour of 1st century hand me down tales.

Which all boils down to formative conditioning.

Teach your kids nonsense, and the will grow up believing in nonsense.

Such is how the brain functions.

Though to be fair, some data bases are more modifiable that others. Though this might depend upon the intensity of conditioning.

Regards. Zed.