zedvictor4

Well, the Bible is a mish mash of social recollections and mythology from more or less two thousandish years ago. 

What more is there to say?

Firstly you need to fully explain the GOD principle relative to a beginning, rather than fast forwarding several billions of years to the thoughts of a few unwise wise men of Middle Eastern origin.

Even todays slightly wiser wise men are left floundering around in theoretical physics.

Whilst the old wisdom still relies upon magical eternal thingies.

One and the same some might add.

Just don't pray to the immoral killer GODS.

Who actually draws the line at nine months?

I'm a moderate, but would draw the line at less than 20 weeks. Especially considering the remedial medicines that are available these days.

Though sadly, there is in fact no limit to human disregard for their fellow human. Just take a look around the World today or throughout  history.

And then tell me, who in your opinion is right or left.

Often works like that Mr A.

Sometimes doesn't

Though it's easy to pontificate from a distance, especially for distant men.

Though I will pontificate from a distance and suggest that with regard to the duration a nine month pregnancy, it is intellectually reasonable to vary ones own  moral and ethical appreciation of the developing mass.

Pro-choice with limits is perhaps more reasonable than pro-choice without limits. Left, right or centre.

Though I would further suggest that in terms of selective morality, there is very little difference between extreme left and extreme right.

My final suggestion to you would be, that the left to right spectrum is broader than we might give it credit for here at Debateart, where more clearly defined contentions tend to arise.

Regards. Zed.

Religious deism and GOD principle can be two separate intellectual processes and conclusions, depending largely upon data input.

GOD principle is a reasonable conclusion.

Floaty about blokes are less reasonable.

In my opinion.

Though if you are not wishing to imply the existence of an actual GOD or a certain GOD, then definitively speaking you are an atheist similar to myself.

Someone that finds life and existence and universe purposeful enough to want to keep going for as long as possible. Which might be regarded as worship in itself.

Certainly no need for tall tales from the Middle East.

Well, in terms of religious ideology, that's what most religious and non-religious people tend to do.

Though necessity dictates, that during a 24 hour day we all do pretty much the same anyway.

One might conclude that some brains function less rationally and therefore more obsessively than others. Which is I think, the distinction that you re actually making.

I would suggest that most theists are exactly the same as most atheists.

It's just that some theists, though certainly not all on a regular basis, will dedicate a small amount of their time to a bit of praying and singing, and then go home and forget about it.

BK has displayed varying personalities and ideologies.

It's impossible to know what's what.

Is there a noun for this.

Andrew abbreviated alternatively Andy always ably applying assistance and arbitrary announcements  abstractly asserting another ambiguously adjudicated approbation.

Women always know what's best Deb.

1. People  have always thought that they are smart and special. (Jesus and his boyfriends probably thought the same)

2.  I'm pregnant and I don't want the responsibility of a baby, is the only justification necessary. (Real life)

3. Bible tales, GODS and SATAN. (Real life fantasy)

4. Go kill the first born said GOD (Hypocrisy)

5. Pious misogynists telling women what to do. (Sounds a bit like GODDO and the Virgin)

6. Abortion. (Quick outpatients procedure, get over it)

7. Loads more viable tissue is pissed down the pan or ejaculated into space than is ever aborted. (Gamete reality)

Ha Ha.

No means no.

Unless it means yes.

And perhaps

"Thou shalt not kill"

Is a principle that some Arabian dude,

Stole from the Hindus.

Yep,

All that you've proven,

Is that words,

Are endlessly twistable.

#37

False religion?

Sounds exactly like religion to me.

Moderately tall stories and baloney will do, and then any old bullshit once you've got the masses hooked.

#38

A bottle of chilled IPA might keep me attentive for however long it takes me to drink it.

And  of course, it all depends upon how entertaining you make it.

Though I would leave my wallet at home.

Golden rule. If you haven't got it, you can't be tempted to spend it.

#39

See above.

A nice buffet would also be good.

And a few exotic dancers.

Though next Sunday I will be out on my bike, sorry.

Nope,

Simply because  I don't open strange emails.

Not even if it was from King Charles 111 of Australia.

Well, live debating is not all about intellectual content, but also about charisma, charm, deportment and eloquence etc.

There are good arguments for both design and evolution, but not particularly good arguments for an existent creator. So don't get drawn into a lot of scriptural debate.

Apply a more scientific approach to how you might refute macroevolution.

Personally I take the creation evolution approach and apply the GOD principle to both.

Though in terms of hominid development, magical bloke GODS are just comparatively recent stories.

Certainly don't try and convince a moderate audience that it all happened 6000 years ago, and that nothing has chanced since.

Q. Why does religion need rules.

A. Because cleverer people need to make up rules.

Not because of a GOD, but as tool of social control, subjugation, power and benefit.

Which is why peasants lived in squalor, and gave 10% of their crops to greedy Bishops.

And Bishops lived in Abbeys and relative luxury, and f**ked any young peasant that moved.

Well.

Status anxiety is  I suppose, the insecurity of the self.

An innate survival programme relative to all levels of melanin.

"Self hating" is just a bit of comparable but contextually unnecessary verbosity.

Exodus 12:29 obviously contradicts what you say, unless you want to think otherwise.

And population growth rate is what it is, relative to intellectual and material development. Not really anything to do with the biblical GOD, though it can be if that is what you want to think.

And the two most populous nations on the planet, pay little regard to the bible, which also contradicts what you say, though it doesn't if that is what you want to think.

And smart is as smart does. So you want to think that there is a smarter GOD. Your call.

And "thou shalt not kill".  Well, 12:29 contradicts this. Though you conveniently brush this fact aside because that is what you want to do.

So people choose to interpret and reinterpret  compilations of  old  texts based on the time worn notion of a GOD.

Same old sh*t Eugene.

Still no GOD as such though, only the imagination of various deists.

Yep, I did/do.

I always talk inside my head as I type. Simultaneously.

And then I will re-read it inside my head to check for errors.

Often several times.

Though It's me talking.

Not really sure if it's robotic.

Don't think that it's Dalekic.

And yep, I'm still programmed.

Though the equipment isn't quite as enthusiastic as it once was.

Same applies to the entire machine as one gets older I suppose.

Though the onboard computer is still reasonably enthusiastic.

Can sit down for that.

Things to do elsewhere now.

Bye Bye.

Ajab was just another person doing similar stuff to people who do similar stuff.

Though my condolences to anyone who looses a loved one.

Which happens approximately 3.85 times every second.

Some people have amazingly capable brains.

And some people have amazingly big penises.

Which would you prefer?

Quite true.

Better to naked mud wrestle.

I like that.

Exodus 12:29.

And we are still programmed to multiply and populate.

But we invented contraception and enjoy alternative methodology.

And prove that you do not support both the destruction of life and the preservation of life.

Was that a self appraisal?

Well. 

The chooser has a choice and the victim doesn't.

And the bible is rife with killing, and multiplying and populating is how we are programmed.

And we make up very selective and contradictory morals with regard to life.

We both, support and destroy life.

Too kind.

ebuCCube.

X.

Do not be offended.

When TWS1405_2  can't get their own way.

They will accuse you of having poor linguistic skills, and bring out all the fallacy criticisms that they can think of.

Well as I see it, life and death is never a choice.

We do not choose to be born, and very few people choose to die.

And I'm not certain what is meant by the "morality of life" . 

Life is a physical state and process. Objective. Not that it necessarily matters

Whereas morality is a concept derived of cognitive function. Subjective. Not that it necessarily  matters.

And the Bible is not the word of a creator-GOD. It is a compilation of the words of various human beings. Something that pseudo-christians and christians alike, conveniently overlook.

I think that they refer to the omniscient one as GOD.

And if GOD knows everything, it is already aware of technology,  technological development and a conclusion.

In fact GOD must be the ultimate techno-developer.

Which makes one wonder if everything that precedes the conclusion is actually necessary. 

Or perhaps just a bit of entertainment for GOD.

What's the point of anything really, other than to stop an eternally existent GOD from going bonkers.

If I was a female.

I would look for a cute female.

Perhaps.

Not tattoos

With clever glasses

No pockets to protect. Well, perhaps that's no necessarily so, given the historic definition of the word pocket.

Sweet pockets.

We are all the victims of our own circumstances.

Far left is far right in terms of extremist views.

Who supports what political organisation and why, is a separate issue, largely relative to historic circumstances and social education/programming.

And as far as sensory perception and data processing goes, everyone is still discriminatory towards everyone else. It's an inherent survival mechanism.

So it would be foolish not to expect discriminatory consequences based upon extreme dissimilarity.

Extreme racism is the outward projection of internal discrimination based upon a negative internal discriminatory assessment, and is a World wide phenomena. (Or positive of course based upon the individuals point of view.)

Being tolerant is the outward projection of a conclusion based upon a positive internal discriminatory assessment. (Or negative of course based upon one individuals appreciation of another individuals conclusion. ) 

I'm an Atheist in the popular sense.

And I neither support nor condemn abortion.

Morality is subjective and rife with hypocrisy, or more correctly atheists and theists alike, are rife with hypocritical morals.

And as we know from the book itself, the bible is rife with the ambiguous and contradictory morality of people. As recorded by people.

Nice 2.

@Malcharaz.

Nice.

Ha Ha.

Dare I say, that was a seemingly straightforward comment.

Not necessarily indicated by my friend Deb's previously not so straightforward comments.

For sure.

An innate awareness of imminent death is a well known phenomenon.

I have witnessed this on several occasions where shortly before they die people quite unexpectedly ask to visit meaningful places, particularly places related to childhood.

The sensory transfer of this awareness to loved ones, is probably to be expected.

@ Melcharaz.

You neglected to include the influence of technology and technological advancement. Maybe that is to follow.

Though I would suggest that technology will be the chief defining factor  of human society in years to come.

Of course an omniscient one will already know, but obviously didn't want to tell us and spoil our fun.

Some humans do weird stuff too.

And some humans make other people do weird stuff.

And some humans are parasites.

Funny old lot of it Deb.

Mind games.

People who experience extrasensory experiences, and their corroborators.

Are usually people who want to experience extrasensory experiences and corroborate them.

Whereas other people are content with their lot, and not so bothered.

You must take issue with the definers then.

I was just relaying the message.

Just looked it up. 

And an internet forum, is defined as differing from an internet chat room.

Basically chat is chat. Personal messaging provides more of a chat room.

A forum exchanges lengthier and more compositional narratives.

Yes, I see what you mean.

I have no idea what comprehension akills are.

Only joking.

But the sky can be a variety of colours relative to atmospheric conditions.

And abortion is one thing and vaccine mandates are another.

And Pro-Trans is yet another fairly recent addition to the subject list.

And if we do not necessarily see eye to eye on everything,

That's not to be unexpected.

1. So if we look at the human mass, we see that it functions consciously. You think about what you do.

2. But if we look deeper we can see that the mass functions at a physical level.  Your body does stuff without you thinking about it.

3. Inorganic physical reactions and processes occur. Clouds form and it rains.

We are aware of our function and existence but know not why,

And we fear non-existence and therefore hope for more.

But there is no real evidence for more, other than wishful thinking.

So bury me under a sapling and I will bequeath it my component parts.

And the sapling will convert my components into a might tree.

Life after death.

LOL.

Funny how woke is still very much unwoke.

Hmmmmmm.

I would suggest that there are currently three functioning levels.

Two relate to living matter and it's physical processes, and one relates solely to functioning physical processes.

Therein we can differentiate between sentient awareness, instinctive function and clouds.

I would further suggest that any residual energy that deceased matter imparts to the Universe is unlikely to possess sentient awareness or instinctive capability.

Rather, just the potential of it's component parts.

PS.

I did not wish to complicate this brief summary, with the possibilities that technology/AI might afford both now and in the future.

And you "twit", doesn't even understand an analogy.

Or was it a metaphor?

And if context was always unarguable, DebateArt would be a chat room.

300 million years we managed without it.

And it took 50 years to become slaves to it.

How long before it takes over completely.

What actually is it.

And then there is the Atheist who concludes that bible stories were made up by men.

Same old format as ever.

Baddies, goodies, heroes and righteousness, often with a liberal sprinkling of the super-natural.