zedvictor4

So who are the original British?

Some might say the Celts, but they are considered to be of Eurasian origin.

And there have been a succession of invaders and immigrants since then.

The Romans a came before the English/Angles, though the Roman invaders were a mish mash of people from all across Europe and North Africa anyway.

And somewhere in between, there were the Nordic Vikings.

Oh! And the Saxons and Normans.

Who have I forgot Stephen?

British, really is whosoever is there at the time of asking.

Not sure if the Neanderthals made it here.

Same for the little country of the UK.

Though my kids don't see it as I see it....And so on.

And I'll be dead in 20 years or so (or less).  

And, who will be British then.

Well, the British I suppose, though they will not look quite the same as the did 60 years ago.

Worrying about, is like pissing in the wind. (I love that expression).

Mine's a nice cool pint of IPA thank you.

And the Missus will have a half of Guinness.

Regards Zed.

Hey. 

Sleazy Orange Guy walks around with a target on his chest.

What the f**k do you expect.

LOL.

Well, the current basis of theism is ignoring 21st century knowledge and logic, in favour of 1st century hand me down tales.

Which all boils down to formative conditioning.

Teach your kids nonsense, and the will grow up believing in nonsense.

Such is how the brain functions.

Though to be fair, some data bases are more modifiable that others. Though this might depend upon the intensity of conditioning.

Regards. Zed.

Some philosophy is good.

And some philosophy is not so good....The ramblings of the bourgeois hypocrite Mr Marx spring to mind.

Yep, the guy has got crossed lines somewhere.

The clue should be in the name...."DebateArt".

@Malcharaz

Evil is a concept, often used over-dramatically for emotional effect.

Do you know what post natal means?

So, in all instances the taking of a human life is unjustifiable?

And I take it then, that you are an absolute pacifist, with no real guns in your cupboard.

If so, good and admirable.

If not, selectively moral like everyone else.

Save for the cave dwelling hermit who absorbs all their nutrient requirements from the atmosphere.

Wilfully ignorant of what?

We are both wilfully content with our own assessment of relevant and available information.

And there's is currently nothing new that will encourage me/us to alter my/our view points.

Because I'm certain that both you and I are ignorant of the real answer to everything. We have no choice in the matter.

"Wilfully ignorant". Is just a frustrated dig.

No more that one expects.

And we've been spicing up meat and vegetables ever since we put meat and vegetables together in the same pot.

Not necessarily meaninglessly, but sometimes too absurdly spicy for me.

If you like.

Though I never mentioned the BBC.

I watch very little TV, and never watch News on TV.

And for sure, news is propaganda, always was always will be.

Just look at all the nonsense that gets posted online.

HaHa.

Freudian slip maybe.

Yep, it's mind games when all is said and done.

And science is science, and science will inevitably result in failed hypotheses. It's the nature of the exercise.

Though ignoring positive scientific outcomes, is all a part of the mind game too.

And what was it?

Oh yes.

Might as well say that truth is not a banana.

I am British and I do know that.

And for sure, we can create interchangeable words and meanings to fit variable situations.

So how about a response.

As I stated previously, I'm not certain if truth and fact are synonymous.

An obvious example would be:

A. It's a fact that for Christians, that their God is the creator of the Universe

B. It's a fact that, how the Universe was created is unknown.

So does B, make A. any less a fact, and any less true.

Futher to that then:

Is A. Objective or subjective?

And given that both conclusions were a product of the same process:

Is B. Objective or subjective?

A truthful repetition of inaccurate data, is not necessarily an untruth.

Delicately and with the tongue.

Technically known as Cunniligual Abortive Therapy.

Or CAT.

The duration of pregnancy is generally nine months.

Not nine seconds, or nine days or nine weeks.

So some people conclude that the ethicality of abortion varies relative to the duration of time and the subsequent development of the viable mass.

So, if I was to ask you:

Irrespective of lawful conduct, are all instances of terminating a viable post natal human mass, bad.

What would your opinion be?

Well, let's kick off by saying that the dog leg tail thing is a frivolous bit of nonsense.

Because functionality trumps deception.

Doesn't matter if all  doggy appendages are referred to as bananas.

As for conspiracy theory:

I always ask the same questions.

Why?

What's the point of millions of people conspiring to deceive millions of other people?

So if human actions dramatically change environment, this will inevitably affect climate.

Environment and climate are not two completely separate phenomena that occur simultaneously without one affecting the other.

Though some guy with a college degree, is perhaps more likely to know than I am.

I don't do education envy.

And we, the vaccine fools are all supposed to be genetically modified vaccine zombies according to the conspiracy theists.

Still time I suppose.

Still time to catch Covid.

You choose.

And I fully support the right of the individual to choose.

Which somehow brings us to the subject of abortion.

Would be a statement or principle that is not necessarily always considered to be true.

Existence is a fact........I think.

And time.

Well, we can take a word, a concept, and modify them accordingly.

So, time can still be a constant and also relative to our point of reference.

Or our point of reference relative to the inevitability/constant of time.

We can also similarly, propose the same of space.

Such is freedom of thought.

One doesn't have to be buggered by Albert Einstein.

Ha Ha.

It's a circular argument.

Is truth subjective or objective.

Again, I would propose that the nature of the process dictates that everything is subjective.

And therefore, open to interpretation.

Which is probably what you were saying.

Have a nice day.

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Well,  the influence of genetics is unavoidable in all aspects of human physical and social development.

And as people spread out from the cradle of humanity so they modified genetically.

Nonetheless, if a very dark toned person, born and raised in Central Africa, could meet there alter ego who was born and raised in Scotland, there would be similarities in the physicality of their vocal production, but very contrasting differences in accent, intonation, pronunciation, inflection etc.

But of course, they would look the same.

So, two simple conclusions:

1. Some aspects of an individuals persona, are inherited.

2. Some factors of an individuals persona, are learned by association.

#9

You might just as well have said, it is scientifically proven that an Orange is a Lemon because it is an Orange.

True in a way.

I am content. 

Atheism isn't a necessary factor of my contentment, and obviously, nor is theism.

Though I can understand why some peoples lives require a metaphysical prop.

Happiness though?

Happiness is another discussion.

In an average day, and how often does one experience happiness?

Happiness is nice, but perversely the achievement of happiness can also come loaded with stress.

A contented life is much less stressful.

In my opinion.

For sure.

Skipperku.

A verse of variable length and composition.

Conveying a state of awareness.

AKA Zedku.

Nice Skipperku.

Everything is real within it's own context, within the context of the Universe.

Does that mean everything is true.

Objective and subjective are just words coined to propose subtle differences in the understanding of data input..

I think therefore I am.

I am therefore I think.

@Malcharaz.

More mumbo jumbo on the religious channel.

Faith will either pay off or not.

You will have to wait and see.

Or wait die and disperse your component parts back to the Universe from whence they came. Eternal existence in the kingdom of heaven if you like.

All good metaphors.

For sure. Og was out hunting Woolly Mammoth when his I Phone rang.

Science is as science does.

And the reason why do what we do now, and not what we once did.

Science is the practical application of intellect and knowledge.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Fearing science is denying the future.

One would assume that Christianity was the house of Christ.

Jacob was just one of those guys that tripped on something and heard voices.

Belief is uncertainty.

You believe that it is.

But you don't know that it is.

Accent and social development/integration.

Come to the UK and I will show you what I mean by social integration and the adoption of accent.

I don't think that there are no answers.

There's an answer to everything.

But we don't necessarily no it.

And so someone had an idea, and as people spread so the the idea spread.

And as the idea spread, so the idea became modified.

A bit like a dish of meat and vegetables.

But you forget to factor in material evolution which must also have been ordained by GOD.

Notwithstanding that the Bible was written by men and not by a GOD.

Yep, the devotee of Kim became the devotee of the Jesus MANGOD.

Either everything matters,

Or nothing matters.

One of these is true.

Therefore truth, is universally irrelevant in both contexts.

Though also relevant in narrower sub-contexts.

But, I'm not sure if facts and truth are synonymous.

Britches, now there's a word I haven't heard in a while.

My dear old mum, (the Universe rest her component parts), was always referring to britches.

Perhaps we are as smart as is necessary at an given time.

Though I think that there is a scale of smartness, with fewer at the top moving things forwards, and the bulk slowing things down like a great big heavy burden of human responsibility.

Probably slightly higher if one is unvaccinated.

And probably increases as one gets older.

But for sure, it really is a get knocked down by a bus and gotta go some time thing.

Correct me if I am wrong.

But my assumption is that vaccination doesn't actually prevent one from acquiring the Covid virus, but just limits the effects.

Therefore aren't unvaccinated people only really a threat to themselves and their fellow anti-vaxxers.

So if I am sat at a desk with my anti-vax colleague and a third party agent wafts by, I might have a few days of work, whereas my colleague might be off for longer.

What I conclude from this is that vaccine mandates are not really a health consideration per se, but primarily all about productivity and financial considerations.

Nora and her beau,

Having a go.

Beau let's flow,

And exclaims,

Arrrrrrr Nora.

Pencil and paper was fine.

Do we do all this stuff because we can?

Or because it's necessary.

One might suggest that necessity implies purpose.

Is this tiny speck of cosmic dust, the be all and end all of Universal success.

@Malcharaz

Perhaps theists are dumber than atheists.

Or perhaps not.

Dumb is as dumb does I suppose.

SO with the fertility rate dropping, demand for food and water will decrease.

So why would anyone abort/kill a foetus at 9 months.

Can you give me examples of where this normally occurs in the U.S.

Homelessness is something that a few people worry about a lot.

And a lot of people think about only when their memories are temporarily jogged by the TV.

Such is the variability of  human consideration. 

If we were a truly caring society, then homelessness wouldn't  be an issue.

King Edwards off to the seaside.

Couch potatoes maybe.

But you are right.

An easy lifestyle creates far too many people not bothering to consider their own well being until it's too late.

Terminating pregnancies at birth is generally referred to as either giving birth, or a caesarean section.

And good luck with the plan, which seems to mostly hinge upon reforming the criminal justice system.

Status Quo.

Sweet Caroline.

Yep, as I've said all along.

It's always older stuff rehashed.

Unless the Egyptian Pharaohs  were actually big-headed aliens.

I imagine that it all started with the Sun and the Moon and some naked dancing etc.

And got more elaborate as time went by.

And people went and spoiled it all by saying something stupid,

Like it's sinful.

In the style of Frank and Nancy.

Where there's dope there's a heightened state of detachment from reality.

That's assuming that normal isn't a reduced sense of attachment to reality.

The assumption being that normal is what we think it is.

Which could lead one to conclude, that normal is as normal does at any given moment.

We will all be arrested by our own mortality soon enough.