zedvictor4

What more do you need, other than what you know already.

True, propaganda abounds.

But has he not made himself president until 2036?

And has he not become obsessed with his own insecurities?

Very true.

And I suppose it's only right that we protect the sensitive from their sensitivity.

#25.

Well, not exactly sure about the first bit.

I would say that primarily logical realism says - that something cannot come from nothing. Though experience compels us to conclude otherwise.

And then several billion years later, or several thousand depending on who you listen to, and according to a compilation of Middle Eastern folk tales.

We finally knew exactly what happened, and therefore must worship the son of a virgin.

Logical realism for sure Trade.

Nope as an atheist I simply cannot concur with such a naive hypothesis awash with illogic.

Nice one.

Hey.

Call me just what ever you like Sir.

I will read,

I will smile,

And I will respond.

Offence is created by the offended.

They input light signals, electro-chemically decode them, assess, conclude and decide to play for the sympathy vote.

Deciding to smile is a whole lot easier.

Point of fact.

Poly was by far the most amusing contributor on Dart.

Have a lovely day Sir.

Factually correct from where I'm sitting.

When you right guys hit a logically correct brick wall, everything immediately becomes a fallacy.

Bare assertion fallacy fallacy.

Yep.

Tedium ad infinitum.

Anything can be falsely equivalent or fallacious if one so decides.

False equivalency fallacy fallacy.

Or

False equivalency fallacy fallacy fallacy.

Ad infinitum.

Have a nice day Stephen.

I think it's fair to say that before he became old, megalomaniacal and paranoid. "The West" had a certain respect for Putin.

But typically he became an old, megalomaniacal, paranoid Russian.

We should have learned this from History.

Nope. I also seem to have been blocked from day one, whenever that was.

They probably went through the religious forum and decided.

Atheist, Block.

Atheist, Block.

Atheist, Block.

Which as I see it, means that we defeated them on Day one.

Notice the pro-nouns.

How woke is that?

Censoring opposition is the basis of fascism.

OK.

Yep.

The Orange Guy didn't really have a clue. 

I think that the whole World worked that one out.

Save for a few heavily armed rednecked hill billy backwoodsmen in red caps busily screwing their sister.

And their sisters and their mums who are their dads sisters and therefore also their aunts.

Of course their dad could also easily be their grandad.

Only joking.

It's only the 25th.

And Melchy blocks me.

I'm already cast out into their wilderness of perpetual sin.

Though I never did quite get the whole Jesus Christ sin obsession thing.

Is it all to do with sex Deb?

Adam and Eve and Sam Smith and naughty snakes in the garden and apples, and all that.

I suppose down there it would be Arbroo and Yindi and Witchetty grubs and naughty snakes of course, in the outback.

Perhaps I misunderstood.

I was just saying....... As long as we are all happy with our own choices then we should all be happy with each others choices.

Mutual respect as it were.

It's the Red Cap that does it for them.

Makes them feel included.

If A B and C are vaccinated, and D chooses not to be,

Then A B and C are protected, and D chooses not to be.

Any one of them could come into contact with the Covid virus,

Though A B and C would be better protected, and D has chosen not to be.

Therefore, they all should be content with their own choices, and respectful of each others.

No complain.

Just saying, that as far as the Americas go everyone is a migrant of some sort.

And specifically, the USA founded in 1776 by European Settlers/Migrants.

It was Napoleon Bonaparte for sure.

And so, relative to my question.

How true is the history?

As I stated.

America (and Canada) were/are essentially Western Europe.

Save for a few non-indigenous indigenes, who are in fact East Asians.

And others who were brought over from Africa, who also assimilated into American Neo-European culture.

Let's be honest.

The World's full of people, because people have always been migratory.

And people also have a propensity for making maps and sticking labels on them.

This is here and that is there

And you are thus labelled because.

Never heard of it.

Is it just woke bullshit?

I just asked this question elsewhere.

Who was it that reputedly said?

"History is a version of past events that people have decided to agree upon."

Which is sort of a self-affirming statement, because all people never actually agree.

Older people will die, by design.

Prevention, eventually becomes futile.

Who was it said?

"History is a version of past events that people have decided to agree upon."

OK. We're getting somewhere.

Christians now think that the Bible tales are a bit of a nonsense.

Especially in respect of GOD, the virgin Mary, the baby Jesus, and Jesus Christ who was not actually GOD.

So how does that affect the  Christian hypothesis?

Or is this just the Trade hypothesis?

Trade's version:

Well, even though something cannot come from nothing.

It seemingly did.

In fact, it came from something eternal which we refer to as GOD

And even though we don't know exactly what GOD is, we must nonetheless worship it.

Zed's version:

Well, even though something cannot come from nothing.

It seemingly did.

So, it may have come from something eternal, which I refer to as the GOD principle.

But as I have no idea as to what it might be, I see no need to worship it.

We're not poles apart Trade.

Some people need to worship something, ergo theist.

And some people don't, ergo atheist.

Hopefully for the crew.

Didn't work out for the Moskva though.

So, go gather your buddies and revolt.

Simple.

Though I think you have a somewhat jaundiced view of American society.

Have a nice day.

You seem to forget that the population of the U.S. is 335 million.

And extreme right and left probably account for less than 1%.

And aren't all those millions of lovely guns supposed to protect you from tyranny anyway.

As I stated, it's the moderate core of the population that decides, and not extremists.

And previously they decided to get rid of the crazy Orange guy and give sleepy Joes team a go.

Not to your liking, but as a decent respectful American citizen you will have to grin and bare it.

Hopefully, you are a decent and respectful American citizen?

OK.

 Peer review studies must be taken within the context of how and by whom such studies are commissioned and reviewed.

I expect that in terms of valid studies, there are going to be two opposite but valid camps.

Especially given the contentious nature and ambiguity of the subject in question.

Conservatives and Democrats are all Americans and generally the same.

And hopefully all Conservatives remain democratic.

Just as Democrats, hopefully retain a certain degree of conservatism.

Extremism would be the problem.

And moderation is stability.

The Killing Fields for example, was far more horrific than any horror fantasy.

Real horror lies in the human ability to be truly horrific.

America is full of Europeans already.

I think that the Founding Fathers were mostly European.

So you start the clock today and you are American.

It's all in the DNA though.

Can't take the European out of the European American.

Just like you cant take the human out of the human.

And me.

I'm 63 and post apocalypse doesn't seem worth worrying about.

Inherent functionality does not necessarily imply meaning and purpose.

Within the context of universality, are we meaningful and purposeful? Is there anything to validate such a claim?

Material evolution perhaps. But this is based upon the notion that the Universe and it's processes have meaning and purpose. So what validates this.

Inherent functionality only allows us to consider meaning and purpose within the confines of functionality, and there's usually more than one possibility.

As far as we are able to know, meaning and purpose or not, is currently only generated in one location. Within a temporarily existent organic computer, that may or may not have a greater meaning and purpose beyond it's temporary existence.

Legacy perhaps, but..................................See above.

Ships are big easy targets these days.

I still say the same as ever about homosexuality as I ever did.

It's a recreational response to a procreational urge.

Same as all the newer derivatives.

I personally have never challenged the right of the consenting individual to enjoy bodily function as they so choose.

Though I think that it's fair to say that surgical and medical intervention is a whole different ball game to a bit of man on man fun. 

Pardon the pun.

Sorry, I'm forever striving to be the moderate in the bunch.

And accept both sides of the argument as valid, within the context of human physical and intellectual evolution.

I wasn't  arguing with you.

Tarik blocks me, basically because they cannot cope with my argument.

So whilst I was making a general comment to you about human intellectual processes, I was also indirectly challenging Tarik's obsession with objective morality and justice.

Have a nice day.

Well society as a whole is approximately 8 billion.

And I'm uncertain as to what "understanding" means within this context.

So a lobby group has the access and therefore the ability to spread propaganda via global media to a global audience.

Though I'm still uncertain as to whether this constitutes "understanding", or just a glib awareness of a newly trending sexual derivative.

For sure. 

I'm well aware of the misappropriation of previously defined words.

Or repurposing, depending upon ones point of view.

Though in this case, I'm assuming that the latter, was derived from the former.

Given that we have a alphabet of 26 characters, it's interesting that we rarely come up with wholly new letter sequences.

Preferring to repurpose old stuff.

So for as long as the host body keeps functioning relative to it's ability to generate electro-chemical signalling.

It will inevitably keep coming up with all sorts of new ideas. It's the nature of the beast.

Gender dysphoria is no more or less, new stuff zipping about inside a brain, conflicting with other systemic stuff zipping about inside a brain reminding the host mass that it needs to respond to a procreational message.

And we have now decided that gender dysphoria is exciting and cool.

Well not everyone has come to this conclusion yet.

The same with religion.

Alternative sexuality is the new religion for some.

A Troll is a mythical beast of Scandinavian folklore.

The use of the term "troll" to oppose satirical rhetoric, is oftentimes a cheap, inadequate, lazy or defeatist argument.

Perhaps it's sometimes better to not say anything at all.

Another objectivity jaunt.

Objective is any internally contrived data set.

As is subjective.

Therefore objective is always subjective.

This includes notions of morality and justice.

Therefore, morality and justice are variably contrived and implemented.

Though given the nature of our internal hallucinatory existences, external implementation cannot actually be known to occur. We just assume that it occurs.

So Tarik implements an hallucinatory notion of something internally and nowhere else, and you might perceive a narrative internally and nowhere else.

And vice versa.

Such is the individuality of discussion.

"The Owner"

Very Orwellian.

My compliments to The Owner.

On a job well done.

Equality and fairness for all.

As long as it's on my terms.

Same old.

As demonstrated, you know exactly what I am saying but have no credible way of refuting the argument, other than to cite terminology such as non-sequitur and ad-hominem.

So a magical bloke f**ked a Middle Eastern virgin and sort of created a cloned version himself.

And by the way, this magical bloke created the universe only a few thousand years ago.

It's the creation hypothesis of fantasy.

And something from nothing, for sure it's the big conundrum with no solution.

So, it was a GOD what did it.

Ah, but what did GOD?

We seem to be back to square one again.

Magical floaty about Arabian type, or BIG BOOM, or whatever, all rely upon the something from nothing principle.

Because the old eternal GOD thing, is about as non-sequitur as it gets Trade.

Population rate increases due to medical and surgical intervention.

So physical and mental health issues will obviously increase proportionally.

And Indian and China the two Nations I alluded to previously, have no strict rules on "SIN". 

I'm not sure that your hypothesis is particularly water-tight.

Hierarchy in all things.

Since the beginning of the material universe.

It's how matter progresses.

And humans are a part of the process.

1.Dogs behave as Dogs,

2. And humans behave as humans.

Humans who supposedly have superior intellect, constantly overlook the above points 1 and 2. and resort to communicating violently.

Same sort of human will also communicate violently with children, and also with other situations that exceed their intellectual parameters.

I have a beloved dog, and we have mutual respect for our differences, so violent communication has never been a part of our relationship.

Techno addiction not so good. (Though possibly necessary in terms of material progression)

Belly dance class good. (Though there could be associated risks to the evenings entertainment)

Substance abuse stupid.

We all know this.

But some people think what the heck.

Though self destruction is unavoidable anyway.