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Too kind.

ebuCCube.

X.

Do not be offended.

When TWS1405_2  can't get their own way.

They will accuse you of having poor linguistic skills, and bring out all the fallacy criticisms that they can think of.

Well as I see it, life and death is never a choice.

We do not choose to be born, and very few people choose to die.

And I'm not certain what is meant by the "morality of life" . 

Life is a physical state and process. Objective. Not that it necessarily matters

Whereas morality is a concept derived of cognitive function. Subjective. Not that it necessarily  matters.

And the Bible is not the word of a creator-GOD. It is a compilation of the words of various human beings. Something that pseudo-christians and christians alike, conveniently overlook.

I think that they refer to the omniscient one as GOD.

And if GOD knows everything, it is already aware of technology,  technological development and a conclusion.

In fact GOD must be the ultimate techno-developer.

Which makes one wonder if everything that precedes the conclusion is actually necessary. 

Or perhaps just a bit of entertainment for GOD.

What's the point of anything really, other than to stop an eternally existent GOD from going bonkers.

If I was a female.

I would look for a cute female.

Perhaps.

Not tattoos

With clever glasses

No pockets to protect. Well, perhaps that's no necessarily so, given the historic definition of the word pocket.

Sweet pockets.

We are all the victims of our own circumstances.

Far left is far right in terms of extremist views.

Who supports what political organisation and why, is a separate issue, largely relative to historic circumstances and social education/programming.

And as far as sensory perception and data processing goes, everyone is still discriminatory towards everyone else. It's an inherent survival mechanism.

So it would be foolish not to expect discriminatory consequences based upon extreme dissimilarity.

Extreme racism is the outward projection of internal discrimination based upon a negative internal discriminatory assessment, and is a World wide phenomena. (Or positive of course based upon the individuals point of view.)

Being tolerant is the outward projection of a conclusion based upon a positive internal discriminatory assessment. (Or negative of course based upon one individuals appreciation of another individuals conclusion. ) 

I'm an Atheist in the popular sense.

And I neither support nor condemn abortion.

Morality is subjective and rife with hypocrisy, or more correctly atheists and theists alike, are rife with hypocritical morals.

And as we know from the book itself, the bible is rife with the ambiguous and contradictory morality of people. As recorded by people.

Nice 2.

@Malcharaz.

Nice.

Ha Ha.

Dare I say, that was a seemingly straightforward comment.

Not necessarily indicated by my friend Deb's previously not so straightforward comments.

For sure.

An innate awareness of imminent death is a well known phenomenon.

I have witnessed this on several occasions where shortly before they die people quite unexpectedly ask to visit meaningful places, particularly places related to childhood.

The sensory transfer of this awareness to loved ones, is probably to be expected.

@ Melcharaz.

You neglected to include the influence of technology and technological advancement. Maybe that is to follow.

Though I would suggest that technology will be the chief defining factor  of human society in years to come.

Of course an omniscient one will already know, but obviously didn't want to tell us and spoil our fun.

Some humans do weird stuff too.

And some humans make other people do weird stuff.

And some humans are parasites.

Funny old lot of it Deb.

Mind games.

People who experience extrasensory experiences, and their corroborators.

Are usually people who want to experience extrasensory experiences and corroborate them.

Whereas other people are content with their lot, and not so bothered.

You must take issue with the definers then.

I was just relaying the message.

Just looked it up. 

And an internet forum, is defined as differing from an internet chat room.

Basically chat is chat. Personal messaging provides more of a chat room.

A forum exchanges lengthier and more compositional narratives.

Yes, I see what you mean.

I have no idea what comprehension akills are.

Only joking.

But the sky can be a variety of colours relative to atmospheric conditions.

And abortion is one thing and vaccine mandates are another.

And Pro-Trans is yet another fairly recent addition to the subject list.

And if we do not necessarily see eye to eye on everything,

That's not to be unexpected.

1. So if we look at the human mass, we see that it functions consciously. You think about what you do.

2. But if we look deeper we can see that the mass functions at a physical level.  Your body does stuff without you thinking about it.

3. Inorganic physical reactions and processes occur. Clouds form and it rains.

We are aware of our function and existence but know not why,

And we fear non-existence and therefore hope for more.

But there is no real evidence for more, other than wishful thinking.

So bury me under a sapling and I will bequeath it my component parts.

And the sapling will convert my components into a might tree.

Life after death.

LOL.

Funny how woke is still very much unwoke.

Hmmmmmm.

I would suggest that there are currently three functioning levels.

Two relate to living matter and it's physical processes, and one relates solely to functioning physical processes.

Therein we can differentiate between sentient awareness, instinctive function and clouds.

I would further suggest that any residual energy that deceased matter imparts to the Universe is unlikely to possess sentient awareness or instinctive capability.

Rather, just the potential of it's component parts.

PS.

I did not wish to complicate this brief summary, with the possibilities that technology/AI might afford both now and in the future.

And you "twit", doesn't even understand an analogy.

Or was it a metaphor?

And if context was always unarguable, DebateArt would be a chat room.

300 million years we managed without it.

And it took 50 years to become slaves to it.

How long before it takes over completely.

What actually is it.

And then there is the Atheist who concludes that bible stories were made up by men.

Same old format as ever.

Baddies, goodies, heroes and righteousness, often with a liberal sprinkling of the super-natural.

For sure.

Context allows us to focus less broadly.

But very rarely is context narrow enough to be able to resolve an issue precisely.

No two human computers are ever programmed exactly the same.

A bit like "dirven".

Only joking.

I wouldn't necessarily agree.

I was recently discussing the word family with some one, and although there is a general meaning to the word, it is also imprecisely definitive.

This is also the case with other words, belief is another example where imprecision is built into the definition.

Though I did conclude that such definitions were perfectly imperfect.

Nonetheless imprecision allows for variable interpretation.

And a pro-lifer might say that the Law is an Ass.

Whereas we know that The Law is The Law and an Ass is a Donkey.

Abortion is an emotive argument instilled in some.

And a pragmatic argument acquired by others.

And words have variable meanings and are open to variable interpretation. Definitions are rarely precise.

So for as long as people are allowed to form their own opinions, abortion will remain a contentious issue.

Pro lifers tend to be only selectively pro-life though.

And interestingly some vegans are pro-choice.

Woke is as woke does hey?

The truth is that, GODS were usually created in a known image by humans, and then they wrote stories about them.

Often men by men.

Though certain older multi-GOD beliefs were less misogynistic

And Hindu's were slightly wackier.

People do and say things to get themselves noticed.

And current agendas and trends might allow certain people to benefit from getting themselves noticed.

Political advantage, as it were.

Mr Trump was a prime example.

Give the people what they think they want, when they think they want it.

So Hindu's with acne float your boat?

Stephen the Incomparable.

You said it.

Exactly my point.

We can and do have differing opinions about separate issues, even if separate issues might have commonality.

It would be a tad dictatorial to propose otherwise.

How is all that any different to any other fantasy tale?

You are proposing from speculation only, the behaviour and requirements of a "being" that cannot be shown to exist.

So, based upon the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien, is it reasonable for me to accept without actual proof that Middle Earth must exist.

Albeit conveniently, outside of time, space and matter.

As ever.

GOD principle sound,

But not a floaty about Middle Eastern Being, outside of time, space and matter.

Basically because a "Being" implies physicality, which implies matter with event and duration.

Actuality.

Hmmmmm. Doesn't really make sense.

Because we always hold different opinions about different arguments.

So, as I questioned previously, is it therefore intellectually dishonest  to partake in a democratic process and not support the democratic result of that process.

Because supporting the process infers that one supports the outcome...A premise in other words.

I could ask the same about religious beliefs.

If we regard Christian belief  as the basis of a premise that infers ones support for the Abrahamic GOD, then would it be intellectually dishonest to not also support Islam.

I'm guessing that in both instances, you would reserve the intellectual right to disagree.

So first off.

A. Tell me what/who exactly is GOD.

When we've explicitly sorted out this conundrum, we can perhaps move on to the necessity of a relationship.

That's assuming that GOD (as yet unidentified) does indeed want a relationship with one and all.

Though, given that GOD has decided to remain unidentifiable for as long as it has been unidentifiable, it's therefore quite likely that GOD isn't actually going to be seeking a relationship with a human being anytime soon.

And as you quite rightly point out, actually identifying GOD, is  not the same as simply saying I believe in GOD.

 

It's probably quite content with a few Angels for company.....A notion which in itself is only worth considering if you can provide a positive outcome to A. 

For sure, we are all currently force fed woke gob-shite relative to skin tone and sexuality issues.

Sort of unequal equality, as it were.

I'm guessing that Mike is quite savvy and won't be unemployed for evermore.

And there's room for more than one debate website anyway.

I for one, appreciated the quality of DebateArt.

And wish Sir Lancelot well in his venture.

What would we do without people like Mike and Sir Lancelot?

Something else I assume.

Well for sure, electrical provision can be both a social and personal objective.

Though for reasons directly related to human demand for a continuous supply of energy and consumer goods, other issues relative to global environmental integrity have arisen.

And as the stoic old guard and it's fear and opposition to change slowly dies out, so the new guard sees the necessity to address issues of environmental sustainability.

Environmental sustainability relative to the sustainability of species existence. Not really something to be ignorantly disregarded.

Of course we could just ignore and say what the heck,  and keep pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, but fossil fuel is a limited resource anyway and will eventually run out, especially as population and demand increases.

So why not start to address the issue now and kill two birds with one stone, as the saying goes.

And in respect of my own personal situation:

We installed solar panels onto our  previous property.

We have since relocated and are in the process of renovating an old cottage, which will be re-roofed in May, with Solar panels to follow as and when finances will allow.

Unfortunately we do not earn  politicians salaries.

Solar panels, solar farms and wind farms are quite common in the UK now, by the way

And perhaps we also have a more integrated appreciation of environmental concerns, at a governmental level and also within the wider society.

And a goal, I suppose.

The goal would be survival and procreation.

And we would be infused with the plan of action.

Which I think, is similar to what you were saying.

The Electro-Chemically charged reality and function of a Mass relative to Universal Universality

So as a democratic American it would therefore be hypocritical for one to hold differing opinions about a democratically elected government and a democratically unelected opposition party. Because partisanship would be founded on a lie about ones claim to support democracy.

Because basically, you are saying that it is hypocritical to have varying opinions about related issues. Or in respect of the case in point, loosely related issues.

Sort of upholding the right to freedom of speech and expression, whilst denigrating the right to freedom of speech and expression.

I'm my own Master.

And also a Slave to myself.

So now its A then C.

So why not A then B then C.

And therefore everyone is a hypocrite except everyone who isn't a hypocrite.

If A then B.

Sort of like saying that a vegan cant believe in GOD.

Sort of conflating.

I think.

Coal Black and the seven mixed race, gender neutral un-pro-nouned LGBTQ, shorter people.

Interestingly, Coal Black will be voiced by a pasty Dane.

Yep, it takes a long time.

Thing is.

There's not a whole lot of difference between two fig leaves.

Well.

Nuclear Power Plants cost a fortune and are effective for their viable duration, then they become a logistical nightmare.

So an alternative is perhaps a better option.

And given that the Sun bombards us with enough energy in a day to supply our needs for a year (generalisation), it would seem reasonable to invest some time and effort into harnessing some of said energy.

Same applies  to the wind, which is essentially also a Sun driven energy source.

Hence the phrase renewable energy,  but obviously only for the life of the Sun.

Of course, we could also re-educate ourselves to be not so demanding and greedy.

You, me and politicians alike.

Hmmmmmmmmm.  

After all, out of the 8.7 million living species on Planet Earth, only one demands unlimited electrical energy on tap.

Yep, I agree.

Ignorance basically,

As in not knowing.

So we made stuff up because we could.

Stuff that wasn't particularly logical.

And some kids still get taught this stuff.

Even though we know far more now than we ever did.

And even though no one has ever met a GOD and taken a selfie with it.

And if we continue to teach kids old illogical stuff,

They will continue to grow up believing in old illogical stuff,

And teaching it to their kids.

And some will inevitably do silly things.

Nope.

GODDO had a bad experience once,

With a Middle Eastern type chick.

Got her pregnant,

And the rest is history.

Thought she was a bloke,

It was dark and the outfit was,

Not fancy,

But,

Gender neutral.