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So does it contain life?

Or is it just a chemical structure?

If it's grown from living cells, then one would assume that it is a structure that contains life.

Which would be sort of like rearing an animal.

And sort of counter-productive for vegans.

Yep. AI.

Material evolution,

In progress.

Here on Planet Earth,

And elsewhere perhaps.

Maybe one day,

Two devices,

Will meet in outer-space,

And chat,

In a common language.

Something that humans,

Have failed to do,

For three hundred thousand Years

We should have got the hang of it,

By now.

Though,

AI is teaching us.

Well, left and right have similar aims. Control and power and all the social benefits that a position of authority bestows.

I would disagree.

The statement in question was designed to provoke a response.

A typically trite and insubstantial jibe.

What is devastated totally?

What levels?

Almost every, so not totally then?

Just a provocative trolling comment.

 

Poly was her own worst enemy.

She was offered a rope,

And she hung herself.

Shame.

Bound to happen though.

Exactly.

Nice to see that you've come around to the atheist way of think.

I think we've got a convert team.

Or are they just being sarcastic, because they no I'm right?

I remember being a little kid at Sunday School.

Same old non-sense then, as it is now.

The narrative never changes.

As I just explained to our resident multi-theist, it doesn't matter who reads what, or where they read it. The words are all the same.

And just because you might have a label on your forehead which says Christian, doesn't make you any more proficient in reading or interpreting bible stories.

Your closing statement is a bit of a troll statement as you well know. (Trolling is a popular subject at the moment)

Acceptance of the unknown is something we all have to deal with.

Fantasy hypotheses are what they are, and for sure may give some people reassurance.

I personally, am content with my existence. And simply look upon death as the end of my life.

And the older I get the more accepting of death I become. No GOD required.

And if there is a GOD, I'm sure that they understand everything.

And have a right laugh at some of the stuff humans get up to. Theist and atheists alike.

Dim theists get really freaked out by clever atheists.

@Poly

Metaphorically speaking.

The transfer of biblical information is no more or less cutting and pasting.

The theist reads the bible and the atheist reads the bible.

The theist looks on google and the atheist looks on google.

Makes no difference who reads it, the words are all the same

And lets be honest, how many people who label as theist have ever studied or even read the bible?

Theist is just an arbitrary label relative to an assumption, and perhaps a bit of a wet head when one was a nipper.

I agree.

@Poly.

Bill gates is right. The Earth would probably be a better place with less people on it.

But Mr Gates also knows that he is rich because the less rich made him rich.

Rich people without the less rich would not be rich.

And richness is a concept relative to a human organism for a fleeting moment of universal time.

Death is the big leveller, and sustaining and protecting monetary richness is as much a mental chore as any other human life is.

And richness is not a concept that applies exclusively to monetary wealth and material possessions.

Presumably you find richness in polytheism and your family.

As I find richness in the things I do, and the family and people I associate with.

Though what the future holds for humanity and the planet, almost certainly lies in the brains of the clever few.

And the future of the Universe is an inconceivably long time compared to the universal nanosecond of our existence.

Innocent is a thought derived concept. Which realistically is the extent of it's significance.

The only creatures that are or are not innocent are the ones we decide are or are not innocent.

So the Leopard brutally  kills the baby Gazelle. Which one is or isn't innocent in your mind?

If google repeats the bible verbatim, then it's as valid an information source as the bible itself.

And it's understandable that a theist should be irked by an atheists greater knowledge of the bible.

And let's be honest, anyone with good reading skills and comprehension can easily acquire an in depth knowledge of biblical scripture.

After all the bible is just a collection of Middle Eastern folk tales, and not rocket science.

Yep, I eat loads of peanuts.

Peanuts aren't Nuts,

They're Peas.

Just saying.

Always good to hear from you Deb.

Drive carefully,

Enjoy the music.

And the above post #210 isn't loaded with what you might refer to as trolling?

Nonetheless, learned  points of view that might not agree with your point of view, are exactly what the are and also inevitable.

And for sure, an indeterminate topic such as modern religious ideology, is going to be loaded with satire and logical criticism.

And satire and logical criticism will undoubtedly seem like trolling to the religiously conditioned.

Such is the nature of data transfer and conditioning, and the variability of available human knowledge.

So consequently from my point of view. An accusation of trolling, especially within a religious context, is the epitome of a strawman argument.

None of which alters the fact that Bro D and Stephen have a greater knowledge of biblical scripture than most people on this site.

Which is sort of ironic, is it not?

Bro D and Stephen.

More learned in terms of biblical knowledge than most participants on this site.

And the basis of this site is the art of trolling.

Though some trolling is more subtle than other trolling.

But some people will only respond if provoked.

Essence of a Trannie.

Is that by Yves Saint Laurent?

A tantalising fragrance of steroids and post op seepage.

Yep, mouth speed to sleepy Joe ratio.

Still a bit of work to do before it looks convincing.

A field day for the Litigationists then.

I would suggest that intelligence is the ability to acquire, store, consider and re-appropriate data.

And any device, whether it be organic or otherwise will begin empty of knowledge.

Albeit, the organic contains inbuilt genetic data, which stimulates and purposes the mass.

Some might argue that inbuilt or sub-conscious data could be controlled by the conscious mind, and it's just  that we have somewhere along the line lost the ability to do so.

But I would disagree. We are variously programmed to die, and there is nothing we can do as individuals to affect that inbuilt decision.

Genetic therapy is reliant upon third party conscious intelligence and intervention. And aging is still inevitable no matter how we might consciously and physically attempt to subvert the process of decline.

So, morality is no more than variously considered and variously re-appropriated data. What we are taught or learn through sensory observation and the acquisition of incoming data, and there are many and varied socio- environmental factors that will affect our moral considerations and conclusions. Previously it would have been our immediate environment and social collective that was our primary conditioner, and it still is up to a point, especially when we are undergoing our initial stages of conscious data acquisition. But nowadays we must also consider the intervention of electronic data input from a wider intelligence source.

I would therefore suggest that morality is just a label we apply to our conditioned and sometimes modified patterns of consciously inspired behaviour. With particular regard to how we interact with our external environment. Because we can and do.

Just rambling on a Sunday morning,

Trawling thorough my conscious database.

In an attempt to put together,

An appreciable narrative,

For Lemming.

Though tilted pictures are irksome,

For that brief moment of awareness.

O.C.D.

Or not to be.

That is the question.

Inbuilt or acquired?

That and sexuality of course,

Other than procreational drive.

Procreation and it's conscious methodology,

Always a moral dilemma.

4 legs good and 2 legs bad if you are a quadruped.

And vice versa if you are a biped.

Though a woman with 4 legs and three vaginas would make a fortune on Only Fans.

Just saying Vlad.

Snakes and Ladders is an old game.

Sounds sort of contradictory in a way.

As I see it, any data processing device that cannot gain intelligence is just a programmed data processing device and therefore not intelligent per se.

Similarly the term "moral nihilist" also sounds a tad contradictory.

As I see it, if there is no meaning to anything then morality is irrelevant.

To be moral is to attribute value to the object of your moral purpose.

So tell the old guy what deepfake porn is.

I don't have a smartphone.

Sounds like good old human discrimination to me Doc.

After all who actually wrote the bible?

GODDO or some blokes.

And didn't good old J heal a lame man in a pond somewhere.

Correct me if I'm wrong Doc.

Though good old double standards if he did.

Nothing at all wrong with speaking the truth.

I rarely use wiki.

Though facts is facts and conspiracy is conspiracy.

And someone shot down MH17 with a Buk missile in 2014, and it wasn't me.

Yep. One day in the summer.

Watch this space.

Absolutely true.

As you said, sounds like sarcasm.

Though there is a lot to be said for bringing all drugs supply in house and therefore decriminalising the process.

And for sure, if society is to function in some sort of stable fashion, then it has to be regulated.

We must do that one day. Stephen

Regards.

Cultured meat just highlights Vegan hypocrisy. The desire for meat and yet a meat free ideology.

Though the viability of any protein source will largely depend upon cost. 

I was more of a Thatchriot at the time.

Not that I ever voted for her.

It was just that she assisted me onto the property ladder. For which I have always been grateful.

Nope, Mr T Blair was always a bit too obsequious for my liking.

And Mr E A Blair was a tad hypocritical by default.

And your version of 2014 would make Mr Putin very proud I'm sure.

And  the friends and families of MH17 would be honoured by your heartfelt support.

Aid or Bribes?

And where do we get the money from?

I suppose that's why we're not diplomats.

And death and ignorance will come soon enough.

So, mines a pint of HPA.

What's yours?

Brilliant.

Nice Rhetoric.

But there is a notable difference between perceived aggression and actual aggression.

And of course a similar difference between paranoid megalomania and diplomacy.

And then there is the "West's" dependency on Middle Eastern Crude Oil to consider. (Though things have moved on a tad in the past twenty years)

Though as I suggested, two separate and not really comparable sets of circumstances.

And I'm guessing you remember my liking for the other Mr Blair's work.

Not that I found either Blair's politics particularly agreeable.

Such are variations of thought I suppose.

And Ovine?  Well in terms of being part of a flock, I guess we all fall into one category or another. Though some flocks are bigger than others.

Just pointing out the common mistake of referring to previous settlers as indigenes.

And in the same context, there is only really one race.

Yo are referring to discrimination based upon perceivable difference. Which is survival technique that we all utilise.

So, perhaps we should strive to instil tolerance and respect into future generations. But this is a two way process and requires a huge shift in current thinking and in how we transfer data between generations.

So take a look at the Russia/Ukraine crisis and tell me, do yo think discrimination is going to be written out of our DNA any time soon.

Approve of what.

Are we talking the invasion of Ukraine and unprovoked Russian aggression?

Or are we talking the West's lies about WMD's, used as a phoney excuse for securing Iraqi oil fields?

Two different issues, on which I have two separate opinions.

So we ignore Russian military aggression in Ukraine.

And then what?

Poland, Baltic States etc. etc.

Same old, as before.

And you can hide over there and worry about the Chinese.

Though that said, the US is only 2.5miles from Russia.

So why don't we predate upon them and control them?

Well, because some people like to overthink the fact that we are omnivorous animals.

Is being slowly mauled to death by a pack of wolves any nicer that being killed in an abattoir?

And where is all this unused pasture and where are all the predators?

Ask Tony Blair and his boyfriend Dubya.

Nothing to do with me.

To produce milk a Cow must produce a Calf, approximately once a year.

So what to do with all the bull calves?

Currently with either eat them or euthanise them.

If we keep them all, we will end up with millions to look after.

We will also end up with either millions of surplus cows, or millions of gallons of surplus milk.

The USA is filled with English speakers. 

Doesn't mean that we have a legitimate right to invade.

No such thing as an Indigene, they are just previous settlers that migrated from Asia.

Who originally migrated from the cradle of humanity.

Same as everyone else.

Someone from Central Africa perhaps has the rightful claim to indigenouship.

Well, it's how you live your life.

So normality in that respect.

And therefore you don't naturally consider it.

It's only when you think about that you realise all sensory input has to be converted into internal electro-chemical data, before it can be understood.

We can never be 100% certain that we do actually interact with our surroundings in the way that we think we do.

Of course, it could all be a load of bollocks.