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Ok.

So we are a extra-thinking species.

But procreational drive itself doesn't require thought.

Thought modifies recreational possibilities over time, thereby the organism learns to contradict itself. 

All becomes real enough though.

And paedophilia and transgenderism are all varieties that stem from the same basic requirement.

The evolutionary inevitability of species evolution I suppose.

If it hadn't been us, it might have been a sentient carrot experiencing all this psychological trauma.

And GOD would be a cauliflower.

Just like me Deb.

Especially as my Dad was a fundamentalist atheist.

Sunday school was, getting the kids from under their feet for a few hours.

One can only guess why.

Not sure about fingers, but I guess so.

Anyway, they used to talk about Jesussy stuff and I would draw aeroplanes.

And for sure, big church was a no no.

Loved the churchyard though, many hours of fun playing there.

That must be why GOD designed grave stones.

And when we were big enough, we would  give the bell a ring.

Halcyon days.

Though I was never introduced to the artistic potential of potatoes and sponges.

And Santa hadn't invented BMX back then.

I would suggest that inflation is fuelled by global events.

And rather than viewing  it as a case of a right or wrong expectation........Current  inflation was in fact, unpredictable.

Spot on.

Perhaps we should do away altogether, with the silly convention of talking to each other.....And just wave and/or smile or scowl.

Device addicts are just about at that point anyway. (Let's be fair, device addiction is the new normal).

And I never did get the French language, with all those m and f words.

Though in terms of pronouns and in all seriousness:

Referring to One singular and They plural is quite an old convention.

And satirically, does away with all that needless under the trousers/skirt confusion.

And speaking of  gender neutral non-presumptive dress code. Perhaps we should all wear green Burkas...But definitely not pink or blue, as that would be seen as  far too provocative and/or offensive.......And in all seriousness once again, non-verbal communication is just as definitive as pronouns are.

@Poly.

Conduct is demonstrably variable.

From reasonable all the way to " f****** s*** ".

Self restraint is perhaps preferable to a restraining order.

I personally think that moderators do a good job.

Over-moderating would be overbearing.

And feigning offence is a cowardly tactic.

Base reality is that which isn't latterly conceived.

I'm basically attempting to distinguish between what is and isn't made up.

Though as I stated, all becomes real in application.

So one contradiction is the difference between that which is made up and that which isn't made up.

In terms of sexuality, the base reality would be the procreational drive.

How we apply said instinct varies greatly, relative to a whole gamut of ongoing physiological and social pressures.

And also, how we apply Law to said instinct is affected in the same way by ongoing social pressures.

(Physiological pressures  are a separately contentious moot point.)

Nonetheless, in terms of base reality, nothing is actually right or wrong.

Right and wrong are concepts that may or may not have become established socially , but certainly not globally standardised, and also modified greatly over time.

The two issues that you refer to, are obvious examples of how social acceptability has modified and therefore contradicted itself over a relatively short period of time.

What is socially  right and wrong for Athias now, would probably not have been right and wrong for Athias's forebears a few hundred years ago.

Nor will it be for Athias's descendants a few hundred years from now.

But never mention the P word.

Always use the Q word.

Well stated Deb.

Which one?

Q. What is the definition of a legal immigrant.

A.  A rich one, that looks the part.

Speak for yourself in religious speak if you wish.

Adultery is a concept relative to a concept relative to a concept relative to recreational sex derived of  procreational sex.

And I expect that the average practising Christian is as sinful and prone to adultery as the average atheist is.

Let's be honest.........Your Christian GOD started it all by fucking a married virgin.

Ironic that we as a mammalian species are reliant on the mammaries of other mammals, to provide milk so that we can reduce it to powder, so that we can rehydrate it and feed it to our infants.

Suck breasts and remove the middle men/women/bovine.

I was reared on breast milk and so were my kids.

So whatever happened to women's bazookas?

Have they evolved to be nothing more than a tactile plaything.?

I know.

And the Orange Clown wanted to ban Jonny Foreigner from coming to join a Nation of Jonny Foreigners.

What a killjoy hey?

Maybe.

But religious speak always seems to come with a lot of accusations of sin.

I used to go there regularly on a Friday and Saturday evening, when I was in my late teens.

You mean like McDonald's.

Love it.

Is that similar to going down fox holes on a mars bar that has nothing specific to rule in a metaphor.

Apologies on a wet Sunday morning.

Hey, it's just a statistically tiny percentage of  globally irrelevant dead kids.

What's all the fuss about.

Just like we see Ukrainian/Russian mutual slaughter as nothing more than Internet entertainment.

Bang Bang you're dead.....So what.

Have the gun, feel the gun, go masturbate.

Satirical but true.

@Poly.

# 96......Makes very little sense.

@Incel.

And tithing was basically income tax taken by a State/Society that was essentially overseen by religion.

And try not to cough when the Vicar/Priest/Pastor or whatever is telling you that you have all been naughty boys and girls.

And don't forget to sing along.

Lah de dah de bollocksy bollocks.

Though if you go to Buddhist Church today, you only need to remember to go,

OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM etc etc.

Kung Fu is optional.

Are we not programmed?

Reasonably so I suppose, but you are still finding it difficult to separate the human from the Alternative Intelligence.

I'm pretty sure that eventually Another Intelligence, wholly independent of it's initiators, will evolve.

As for reproducing/mimicking sounds, I would suggest that independent organic organisms do just that.

Essentially inputting, assessing and outputting data, utilising an onboard electrochemically powered organic computer, to recreate and output sound.

Not a million miles away from an onboard electrically/chemically powered inorganic/hybrid computer doing the same.

The future is out there, and can only be guessed at.

And complexities of sound which we are subject to/input, and might or might not decide to regard as music or music  of a certain genre, are just  evolved  and established variable data analysis programmes.

Variable by of virtue of species evolution, though technological globalisation has resulted in a more eclectic appreciation of sound as music.

I won't ignore you.

Good morning Intel.

When the forum gets a bit quiet, where better to  offload some mental energy, other than here .

Long may it last.

Let's see if we can get to a 100 pages.

OK.

But as I see it A.I. is independent intelligence.

So to write a code to mimic, is to programme........And therefore, neither intelligent in it's own right, nor independent.

I was questioning whether a wholly independently evolved technological A.I. would regard variable sound waves as music either pleasant or unpleasant, or just as another electronic signal to be logically interpreted.

And music to ones ears is sound, which we then convert to noise.....Which for sure, we may or may not regard as music.

Nonetheless, a humans basic appreciation of musical sound, is no more or less this process.

Time/line is infinite.

 

Backwards anyway.

Though now, now, now, now, now, now, etc.

Is located at the front.

And hominids closely followed by GODS and cash,

Given the infinite state of backwardsness,

Are not perceivably, not at the point of now.

Though for the purposes of demonstration,

And representatively only,

One Could draw the longest line that one could fit onto a black/white/multi-ethnic board,

And place the latter (hominids, GODS and cash) approximately 50mm behind the former (now).

And if one was really clever ,

One could leave a gap at the front,

And every ten thousand years or so,

Increase the length of the line by 1mm.

Is 10% of infinity,

Infinitely 10%?

LOL.

So you can unequivocally prove this then?

Ooops......All except a GOD.....Your GOD that is....Very convenient.

Which I'm assuming is the Christian GOD.....That began only 2000 and a bit years ago.......A few billion years after the Universe began.

Ummmm.....Something doesn't quite add up there, does it?

Sounds like the same old same old, non-sensical, fundamentalist Christian argument. The one that refuses to accept, that science trumps folk tales when it comes to explaining Universal history.

Not that anyone can satisfactorily explain a Universal beginning.

It was a GOD what did it......Well, we can refer to a moment of creation as anything I suppose....Call it BOOM or call it GOD or call it ALAN or call it KYLIE.

You choose.

Of course:

Atheism is actually, more reasonable than theism.

And morality is a variable assumption.

And if a universe couldn't POP,

Then a GOD couldn't POP.

60 pages and still no further forwards then.

Though maybe a universe went BOOM BANGA BANG.

And a GOD POPPED into someone's head a few billion years later.

Now this sounds reasonable to me.

In creating the above statement you have in fact contradicted yourself. 

Because said statement is inherently non-ignorant.

Sort of.....Look at me everyone....And though I may not respond narratively, I will always react internally.....Thereby I cannot actually ignore you.

To ignore is to be aware of something to ignore.

Shed no tears.

The duration of matter bounded by it's own potential, within a singular occurrance.

There may or may not be more than one universe of course, especially  if one regards the potential of time and space to be limitless.

@Poly.

I have quite  eclectic tastes in both music and art....And admiration for skilled musicians and artists.

But for sure, have no taste for contrived religion. Other than as a counterpoint to my personal understanding, within a discussion and debate framework.

Though dancing naked around a camp fire at full moon, might be quite liberating.

As for the dull old picture in question and the ensued wheelchair bound, transvestic cake performance.

I find the latter much more meaningful.

Staring at a dingy old portrait and going WOW, just doesn't register with me at all.....I'm pretty sure, that most people who do it, just do it because they feel that they ought to do it.

Though you may actually be correct in suggesting a link between atheism and non-conformity....Especially as a response to formative conditioning.

For sure, within a contrived legal framework.

Which doesn't necessarily take into account base reality.

We seem to casually assume that we have exceeded base reality.

But we clearly haven't.......Far from it.

Which is not to say that everything is not real.

Including the necessity of selective social ignorance within a contrived legal framework.

Which of course, doesn't always work for everyone though.

Whereby we end up with glaring contradictions.

For example:

Oh dear, poor gender dysphoric, lets give you all the support and medical help we can, and cut your dick off.

Bastard pervert, let's lock you up and cut your dick off....Preferably without an anaesthetic.

Have you read the whole thread?

I seriously consider things, but like to throw in the odd bit of cynicism and satire for good measure.

And I would suggest that race supremacy is a more extreme  extension of natural discrimination. And very much a multi-ethnic condition.

Gun Nuts are very few in number, but very lethal in practice.

But if the ownership of a gun is an unalienable right.

Then you just have to be prepared to ignore the consequences of the NUT.

Which is what a lot of people are quite prepared to do.

Well therein lies a debate.

We can propose variable interpretations of "faith".

So let's just start by comparing acceptance of the supernatural, with acceptance of known fact only....We can apply faith to both....But this  doesn't make GODS real. But does give me high level of assurance, that the Sun will rise in the morning.

Love that expression.

For sure, gullibility is a human trait, as is manipulation.....And within a typical "Western" social context, I obviously know what you are referring to.

Though the  reality of such issues has a split personality.....There's the base reality and the socially contrived reality.....A lengthy and controversial discussion perhaps.

And with such ease of accessibility through social media, we have this absurd social dichotomy......Here's the child/ but do not touch the child.

Very much like the U.S. school shooting thing...... Come on kids and play with the guns/but don't point and pull the trigger.

It does seem that social and technological progress, will always come at a cost.....And to coin a much loved phrase, we always tend to try and shut the stable door after the horse has bolted.....And let's be honest, as far as these two issues are concerned, there is huge opposition to even trying to shut the stable door.

So in the end we just have to live with inherent problems of progress.....And just moan about it.....If we want our kids to be able to shut themselves in their rooms  and spend hours undergoing preparatory dynamics with whomsoever, then don't forget the downside of freedom.

Not that I consider modern addiction to electronic information devices, as freedom.

And until we start genetically editing humanity....There will always be the groomers and the groomed.

What say you?

"Thee and me."

Funny how some people think that they are completely separate from the system that they are inextricably a part of.

Overthink, me thinks.

Left, right and centre baloney.

@Poly

Art is an appreciable assumption.

Altering our environment is also appreciable.

Thinking as it were.

And 2+2 "equals" 4 within the context of an appreciable mathematical system.

And as I stated....The cause celebre, became an appreciable demonstration of performance art in it's own right.

So bravo to the cake throwing transvestite in the wheelchair.

Good morning, or what ever time of day it is where you are.

Well, whenever I hear the word grooming, I always think of pampered pooches. in pink parlours.

Or hirsute men having their moustaches and sideburns trimmed.

Nice little theory.

Or:

Suffering is, and free will is the assumption of a programmed but sentient organism.

Guff or counter-guff.......Take your pick.

@Poly

As far as we know there is no such thing as a GOD/S with purposes.....That just remains a wild/romantic, assumption/fancy.

Suffering is simply the inevitability and consequent appreciation of physiological stress and decline.

"The pointless ramblings of mere men" (and women), comes up with all sorts of guff.

Though within it's own human context there is always some sort of point to what we do.

Composing guff is a good mental exercise........As is composing counter-guff.

It's what it all boils down to.

When it comes to the reproduction of the species, we have developed this curious habit of beating around the bush.....No pun intended.

"Sexual manipulation and coercive undertones" as it were.

Think and overthink....It's the human condition I suppose.

Penises and vaginas hey.

What a kerfuffle.

Defo a worthy piece of performance art in it's own right.

Far more entertaining and meaningful than a boring old picture.

We're all sons and daughters of someone.

All a/theistic arguments tend to be knockdown.

Though it's a whole lot easier to knock down blind faith with logic.

T. GOD

A. GOD who?

Firstly, one would hope that all Americans are democratic.

Secondly those that subscribe to a political party named for democrats, would have undoubtedly voted for them.

Just as those who subscribe to a political party named for conservatism, would undoubtedly have voted for them.

As ever you forget that the silent majority of American voters, do not choose to wear such labels.

And when push came to shove and a choice between an Orange Clown and the very old but wiser guy....The silent majority decided that aged wisdom was preferable to tanned foolishness.

So we await the next Presidential circus with bated breath, as William Shakespeare would have said.

As ever Doc.

Top of the morning to ya.

Well, how big is a mythical Giant?

So, mythical sparks and mythical tinder.

Or maybe Giants just harvested lava from volcanoes.

Anything is possible in fantasy land.

In my fantasy world, Lemmings wear stripy T-shirts and pink shorts and build space rockets for Unicorns.

Comparing fantasy with fact is a tad futile.

So you've finally denounced your heritage Doc.

Begorrah.