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Imaginary multi-omni tyrants, come with all warts and no apologies I suppose.

Good Golly Miss Poly.

Christianity is one of many outlandish but enduring, data transferring, brain conditioning techniques.

One of the many side effects of being simultaneously clever and stupid....Sort of the Yin and Yang of  human existence as it were.

We're all prone to bouts of it....But some people are more f****** prone to  s*** than others.

My Father in Law used to come up with spontaneous whimsical incomprehensible jokes, and then proceed to laugh his socks off.

He was also prone to spells of extreme grumpiness.

A side effect of falling testosterone levels perhaps?

Well, I did just say that I had daughters.

And I like to think that I am being satirical rather than condescending.

If you think that I am being condescending, that's probably because you have an acquired tendency to think that everyone is being condescending.

Sort of a conditioned inferiority complex.

Hence.......A grumpy old git.

Do you ever relax or smile?

Regards Zed.

So did you reply to me Trade?

Or did you do the cowardly thing and ignore me?

Defo one of your more stupid propositions.

Nice one Deb.

Light the blue touch paper and stand well back.

Yep...Religion has always been big business,

Selling waffle to the dimwits.

Roll up roll up get your salvation here.

Only 5 pieces of silver for a quick de-sinning .

8.50 for a married couple,

And 20 for the family.

So the more you breed the more you save.

But don't forget that,

The more you breed the more you sin.

So same time same place next Sunday.

Right, now it's a time for a sing song.

You all know the words.

La de dah de bollocksy  bollocks.

Well, what we need a return of is, unmedically and un-surgically prolonged life.

The good old days of infant mortality, and heart attacks by the time you reached 65, that's if you managed to get to 65.

I remember reading somewhere that in the good old days not so long ago, making it to 35 was something of an achievement.

Some might suggest that it's just as unethical to keep every old duffer going into their 90's, as it is to abort a foetus or two.

But as I always say, ethicality and morality are very variable concepts.

So unless GODOT put in a heaven extension or two since he started it a few thousand years ago, I'm guessing that it filled up pretty quickly then.

Though I'm also guessing that heaven has various suburbs, the Christian one being a very selective gated community of 144000. Surrounded by sprawling Muslim, Hindu, Judaic etc shanty towns.

Best place to be would be up in the hills humming with the Buddhists and developing one's Kung-Fu skills.

So how big is a soul?

It's certainly nice to think that we can.

So do you have a nice Syrian family moving in next door Doc?

Or would you prefer it if they stayed the other side of the Atlantic, and got along from there.

I expect that was what those First Nations folk would also have preferred.

But hey............ It's all a part of the getting along process.

What we need is a new religion Doc. All head bobbing, incense swinging, hymn singing and humming etc etc.....  Let's call it Islocatholianitibudhindijanitologyism..........Or Polytheism for short, (in case I have forgotten something).

Or preferably no religion at all.

That would be a start.

But then there is politics.....The U.S. would be easy though....Just call everyone a Republicrat or a Demican.

Then there are all those maps with their imaginary boundary lines.......Simple......New map, just colour everywhere the same, and don't include any lines.

So what else is there........Football?

Women.....Shit! I forgot women......Nope got it covered....Gender neutrality.

So you're now officially a GenderNeutralPolytheistRepublicrat, from a line free land mass shaded purple Doc....Same as the Syrian guy next door.

Top of the morning to ya.

*Sorry.....Syrian person.

So we're sort of on the same wavelength.

Though perhaps you display slightly higher levels of angst.

Oh, and I didn't suggest that technological advancements  were the definition of history. I was merely suggesting that if humans didn't possess the ability to record and recall complex data, then we would probably still be living in caves.

By definition, history is the study of past events.....And past events occurred yesterday or even a second ago.

Some might say that was a contradictory statement.

So who's this Lord that knows?.... Freudian slip perhaps?

And I don't do angry.......I grew out of angry some time ago.

Oh and also...As my daughters have matured, and despite all their formative hormonal angst and rebellion, it's quite apparent how much in terms of outlook they have become  like me and Mrs Zed. 

You and Mrs Sadolite (assumption), are your kids chief role models, and they will undoubtedly model themselves on you, despite what you or they might think.

So one of them is bound  to turn into a grumpy old git as they get older.

Regards Zed.

I'm pro-life.

But I'm also pro-death.

Because death sustains life.

Though humans have learned how to be emotional.

And some humans are more emotional than others.

To some it's a cuddly wuddly baby in the making.

To others it's just a blob of organic tissue....The sort that regularly gets pissed down the big white telephone.

Though when it comes to unwanted conception, perhaps the exponents should apply a bit more logic.

The onus is on both parties  of course, though post coitally there's not a huge amount a bloke can do, other than drive her down to the pharmacy to discuss post coital contraception.

We learn from history about things that reputedly, occurred previously.

Learning is simply the acquisition and storing of data.

Like it or not, learning about the past or remembering past events, is an intrinsic human function.

It's why we progress both intellectually and technologically.

Q.  And so, how do we split the Atom then.

A. How would I know....No one bothers to write these things down. 

Like it or not, someone did bother to write these things down.....MAD hey?

And I take it then, that you are an atheist and that you also encouraged your children to be so?

I do not believe anything that cannot be proven to be true.

In fact, belief is a silly concept.

If you knew that your GOD was real, you wouldn't need to believe that it was.

All that you currently have, is acceptance without proof.....AKA blind faith.....AKA belief.

As ever, I accept the idea of a GOD principle....AKA purpose.

Just as I accept the idea of purposelessness.

And also as ever.....I do not run with the floaty about bloke fantasy myth thing.

And proposing that "Atheists are cowards" is as just as silly, though what one might expect from certain mega-theists.

But you let yourself down Trade. 

Not understanding and accepting non-belief is somewhat, intellectually bereft.

Maybe an homogenised race is best. Doc.

Sort of swarthy.

We could call it the human race.

Do you think we would all get along then?

Nah......Remember Ireland...Remember religion Doc.

One can read anything one wants and conclude anything one wants.

But if the precept is a specific religious bias, then the precept is a specific religious bias.

Imaonlydancintotheonetune, as it were.

Turns out that even old Moses was a stupid c***.

So what about old Abe, was that all BS too.

Then along came Muhammad and an even newer Law.

Ideologically, I currently subscribed to the Laws of Zed.

* You might have been offended if I had actually written the word clot.

And so the righteous pro-lifer should also make it clear,  that they do not not support either Russia or Ukraine if that conflict involves the unnecessary taking of life.

Well for now, let's apply a bit of moral selectivity to the issue of moral selectivity, and just say the unnecessary taking of human life.

And given the virtuousness of the righteous pro-lifer, then death resultant of armed conflict should always be unnecessary.....Shouldn't it?

Though as the old pro-life saying goes.....A bundle of embryonic tissue in the womb, is worth ten thousand Russian and Ukrainian lives on the battlefield.

NATO is just the official club motto..

Whether or not Sweden and Finland are currently in the club is irrelevant in terms of allegiance.

How Turkey fits into the club is a more interesting proposition....Clearly a regional powerhouse and a strong ally to have in the club. But Turkey's current stance on Sweden and Finland certainly raises questions.

And so the current ageing paranoid Russian megalomaniac makes a huge error of judgement by blundering into Ukraine, on the Basis of a phoney pretext which no one else really bought, other than a few ageing acolytes and invested sycophants. So how do you get out of that one without looking a right plonker.

Die I suppose.

And talking of right plonkers, did you listen to Dubya's recent speech on the subject.

Depends upon how one chooses to define race.

The dictionary gives several options.

For example.....A competition to see who can get there first.

The core issue for me is understanding why.

And it cannot be definitively shown why or when such data becomes established within the mind of the Transgender person.

So until such time as when it can be proven to be an inherent malfunction, we can also consider that it may actually be an acquired syndrome.

renots a susej saw.

Defo a subliminal message.

Something about a renault and a sausage saw.

It's more than likely that archaic shamanism included the use of mind altering organic substances.

Old Abe was definitely on something when he went up that mountain.

Funny how you chose the word commit.

As we can see from the above, two party politics is divisive. .....You've got your inveterate right and you've got your inveterate left......Who expend most of their energy preaching to the converted, whilst ignoring the silent majority.....The moderates that actually decide the outcome of elections.

For sure, in terms of species development, decorative and cosmetic body modification is nothing new, and modern surgical and medical trends can be regarded as an evolutionary continuation I suppose....But this does suggest that we are only promoting a conceptual necessity rather than an inherent physiological necessity.

And anyway, not quite the same as a face full of tattoos and a ring through ones dick.

In short.......We think, we want and we can.

And also for sure......Because we can, we are happy to pay someone big bucks for it......Which is not really relative to the issue though.

Of course, everything remains unidentified until we are able to identify it.

So once we know it's a hypersonic missile with a million tonne nuclear warhead.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!.

Morality and ethics are variable concepts and not biologically inherent....Whereas variable natural ability is an inherent reality.

And murder currently happens for all sorts of reasons and is not particularly nice, and we know that. But murder is not directly relative to the topic.

But.....So no one works for someone.....Fine......But how the heck are you going to implement this philosophical pipedream?.....Especially when there will be no one to tell anyone what to do.....Or will there?

And who will do what when we are all equal?.....Or how will you motivate anyone to do anything, if you eradicate motivation and motivators from society?

As I stated, your ideal is some sort of reprogrammed human species, a clonal Utopia if you like.

And as I questioned previously, who or what is going to be creating and controlling this social Utopia?

So we can evolve conceptually, into a more caring, ethical and moral society, and I would suggest that this is happening, albeit very slowly. But as for eradicating natural hierarchy, I would suggest that this is still only a geneticists pipedream.....The geneticist who want's to change and control the species.

Hang on though!......Let's get ROBOTS to do everything for us and also leave them to control everything too......And we can just do........What?

And now we are all slaves to technology.

What a difference 157 years makes.

That's progress for you.

B:  A metaphor for the power of World Wide Web,

If you like.

In a shrinking World,

There's still a certain base reality to human function.

Western girls" put it out there, 

And eastern boys (all boys) pick it up.

And when the two worlds collide,

Who was it sent out the wrong signals?

Nah it's always the recipients fault.

Should come with a warning.

You can only look, but you can't touch,

Is like shutting the stable door when the horse is bolting,

As it were.

Or better still,

Don't put it out there in the first place.

Because the base message will be clear and understood. 

Roger that.

Over and out.

I never mentioned oppression and domination per se. Just natural hierarchical order.

Oppression and domination is emotive human terminology, for sorting out the pecking order.

 

We fall into place relative to ability, and we are rewarded relative to place.

And money amongst other things, becomes the reward and a mark of status.

You're committing the social fallacy, that suggests that humans and human society have become separated from species reality.

And your final statement said exactly what I have been saying.

Though you refer to it as inequality and I refer to it as natural hierarchy.

We are all born to be slaves to something.

So Big Brother.

I've no idea what your comparisons achieved, other than  to substantiate my claim that a hierarchical society is natural and essential and as always been so.

Wealth/money is simply the measure of success and status within a naturally hierarchical society.

So if everyone was exactly the same in terms of ability and wealth, how would anything ever get done?

You're really talking some sort of Utopian Clonal Society, where we are all programmed at birth and individualism has been eradicated.

Though have you stopped to consider..........Who or what will do the cloning and the programming?

I'm not necessarily looking for anything......Just questioning, a la debate forum.

Current trends are well established, in liberalised societies, and I always agree that physiological anomalies will inevitably occur.

So who wears the boxers or the knickers, is only relative to the old  concept of gender specific clothing. And for sure, people have been ignoring such ideas for years.

And who licks or sucks or fucks what, is only relative to the developed enjoyment of recreational sex.  And for sure,  people have been doing what ever floats their boat for years and years.

But explain why extreme mutilation and medical disfigurement is a normal healthy necessity, rather than a psychologically inspired social trend.

I'm too thick skinned for,

A plea to the emotions.

Which cuts no mustard.

Nor does an attempt at mockery.

A place for tit for tat jibing

And tit for tat jibing in it's place.

But explanations are still a bit thin on the ground,

And you have seemingly run out of them.

So much so that,

I am still not convinced,

That you have convinced me of anything.

Other than,

Everything that evolves is normal.

So no normalization required.

All options are available.

Sent him a message,

Don't know if he will get it.

I'm not much of a believer in heaven, see.

Nor was he..........RIP.

And if you keep heading in one direction,

You will only end up in the same station.

West is always relative to where?

Somewhere else when you get there.

And they keep coming,

And we don't return them.

Have you ever wondered why?

Small planet full of irrational people.

And who teaches them that "western" girls are easy.

Why! "Western" girls of course, cheesy sleazy.

On the interweb for all to see mate, 

Clickety click, no target audience for this date.

And where's it all heading Steve?

Any solutions up your sleeve?

Lord only knows hey?

If only.

So keep your head down and watch your back,

It's something for the pub when your brain goes slack.

Look left look right, because is it worth all the fuss?

And for goodness sake watch out for that bu............

Hormones.......Drive ya crazy.

Until your 60 and it all goes hazy

Though perhaps when y'all are LGBT.

The world will regain it's sanity..............LOL.

We can ditch the uniforms and and our weapon of mass dickstruction.

And utilise our weapons for another function.

Like parading around in frilly pink frocks.

And eating everyone's cake like Goldilocks.

Cheers. Zed.

You sound just like my dad, Stephen.

So the British and other Whitish and Darker European Colonialists and by association the North Americans, are just paying for their past successes and consequent failures, and have been doing so for quite a long time now.

Planet Earth is small.

And there's also lot to be said for the burqa's capacity to quell the flow of testosterone.

Just saying.

Regards Zed.

Is Oromagi your friend?

And anyway, If one is sufficiently technologically adept at crossing hundreds of light years of space.

Then why dither about at the last minute and just flash your lights?

Hmmmmmm, and in my dreams too, Poly is just like Scully.

But don't say I said so, because I will probably get a misconduct report.

Well.

With regard to the appearance, existence and development of matter.

I currently run with the idea that the truth was out there,

And that the truth will once again be out there.

I refer to this as the GOD principle.

Not to be confused with the floaty about bloke of the Arabian Tales.

Which to be fair, was also a reasonable GOD principle, but only relative to the naivety and available knowledge of the time.

Though that is also not to say, that it is impossible that a technologically and intellectually advanced floaty about bloke from elsewhere didn't once visit....Though this is unlikely.......Where are they and why didn't they come back?

Though I suppose that they could just have been on a Universal trip of a lifetime.

Maybe scaring hikers by setting fire to bushes, was just them japing around.

Nonetheless,

Whether humanity will ever be around to witness the creational truth,

Is an evens bet.

Maybe humanity is just a small cog in the evolutionary machine.

Or even a big cog.

Don't let's underestimate human achievements.

Though I think that the developers of matter are the real achievers, rather than the tellers of tall tales.

The truth is out there......Any ideas?

Regards Zed.

And for a moderate person such as I, who respects the freedom of the individual.

I also expect to be allowed the freedom to fully question all aspects of what is a fairly new social and physiological phenomena.

Though that is not to say, that developmental anomalies have never occurred prior to the current trend.

Nonetheless there is no definitive explanation for the current trend, so it must be expected that questions will be raised especially within a discussion forum.

After all this is not a justification and sympathy site, is it?

Or perhaps unquestioning acceptance, is what some people expect.

It's also a common vehicle for those who seek to be socially correct in the eyes of a certain liberal haut monde.

I'm sure that means something to you, in your own individual data processing way.

Is reality real or not I ask myself.

Enlightenment and spirituality....Internal responses to a sensory stimulus.

The brain is an amazing thing for sure.

Up and at it with the Larks Stephen.

Is the bible on it's own not good enough proof of the resurrection.

In short....NO.

Wouldn't it be great if you three could meet up for a beer and a chat?

I wonder what you would chat about?

Regards all.

Zed.

Are we actually talking perception here.

Or just an arbitrary unsubstantiated  response to unsubstantiated data input.

I would suggest that perception is just the process of data acquisition, rather that the subsequent internal manipulation and modification of said data.

What one might refer to as the output of an unsubstantiated opinion, rather than perception-speak.

Just saying.

So why do you suggest, that transgenderism requires normalizing?

Surely transgenderism is either normal or it isn't.

I would suggest that previously taboo issues, become socially acceptable.

Which does not necessarily imply any real sense of normality to the issue in question.

So some things were once commonplace social activities, such as wife beating, witch burning, and sex with people under the age of sixteen.

So have they been abnormalized or are they just no longer socially acceptable.

Though this depends upon where one lives I suppose. Which would imply that such activities are not necessarily abnormal.

Nonetheless my overall perspective on social development, leads me to conclude that all that evolves is normal.

Though that does not negate the Freudian slip, whereby to suggest that something requires normalization, also implies that that something was previously abnormal.

But Hey...Chop you dick of Bruce....You won't be the first and you won't be the last......And I honestly, care not......Because all that evolves is normal.

Wow......Opens up a whole big can of other worms though.

If you don't know who said what, then you don't know what was said, if anything.

Which maketh the Arabian Tales a book of Arabian tales.

And I recognise the Jesus character from the aforementioned book of Arabian Tales.

And I recognise and understand the meaning of the word esoteric.

Put the two together and you get....I know not what.

So esoteric perhaps, that only DL knows.

A tad contradictory to say the least......Need I explain?

At some comparatively recent moment in time your internal data processing unit  acquired data and responded to it in a particular way.

Which to be fair, is what we all do, thanks to our evolved ability to acquire, store, manipulate and respond to data.....Such is insightfulness.

Nonetheless, this in know way confirms any accuracy upon old transcriptions of much older folk tales.

OK, so with a reasonable level of confidence we can conclude that the Arabian Tales do correspond with known regional locations and also with socio-political developments of the time.

Though the later additions of second hand accounts of second hand accounts, regarding supernatural intervention and supernatural events, inevitably results in a typically mythological narrative.

For example, the tales of  King Arthur still evoke "insightfulness" and a sense of spirituality in a great many people.

So is there any real difference between the mythical characters of Jesus and King Arthur, other than that established within a person or persons acquired esotericism?

Just questioning.

Peace be with you though.

Regards Zed.

You said it.

Freudian slip perhaps?

The reason why rich people are rich and poor people are poor, is a much more complex sociological issue than just who does what and who pays what tax.

I could write a dissertation on the subject, but I don't have either the time or the inclination to do so.

"The rich" are rich for a reason and an essential part of a healthy and productive social system.

Just as the not so well of are not so well off for a reason, and are also an essential part of a healthy and productive social system.

Over taxing the rich and redistributing wealth would cause the system to stagnate.

Wealth envy is what it is, and an inevitable consequence of a healthy and productive social system.

A. Sex is inherent function and GODS and marriage are separately contrived social concepts. And relative to the human ability to recall and manipulate, we came/come up with all sorts of other stuff too, including a diversity of recreational sexual activities..  And I do not accept anything as true, that is not already a fact. Belief is a bit of a silly and rather counterproductive word.

B. And it cannot be proven that a GOD said anything....The Bible/s were the words of people, compiled by people. So you might choose to believe, but this also proves nothing.

C. I would like to know answers for sure, but such answers do not lie in the pages of a much translated and transcribed book of 2000 year old Arabian folk tales. These at best should be regarded as naive hypotheses.

D. You won't get hatred from me, nor from most moderate people......How we are data programmed is more than likely what we will become ideologically, me and you both, and 7.9 billion other different versions. In terms of an emotional response "hatred" comes at the top of the scale, and is often glibly used out of context.

I don't doubt it.

But as I regularly say.....All social systems are essential the same anyway....Based upon  hierarchical structure, and methods of governance and enforcement.

How things pan out in the real world obviously varies, but there is no State that functions solely on the basis of shared resources and social equality. 

Societies just do not develop and function in such a way.

I was asking them not to quote the bible as some sort of authority on morality.

Because the writings in said book contrived by people, is as morally hypocritical as people themselves.

For sure, quote it for the purposes of historical reference.

Nonetheless, mythology shouldn't be regarded as sound factual evidence.

Nor should archaic ideology be regarded as a blueprint for how we live our lives today.

I bet you, that John (who probably wasn't named John) never uttered the words quickeneth or profiteth.

And the nature of the beast, dictates that we all think within our own box.

Yin and Yang.

Equilibrium.