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@Poly.

What is s****.

A Giant would have normal sized giant fingers and eyes,  and craft stuff relative to it's dexterity.

Whereas a Giant would think that we had tiny fingers and eyes.

Just like a Lemming thinks that we are huge.

Did you mean to say "don" Doc?

Is the Christian Bible big on dress code?

Begorrah.

And too much angst these days Doc....What's troubling you?

 

@Poly

So measures hey, Big Bro and Big Sis.

Measures to curb freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of information.

If you're not interested in alternative opinions and contentious discourse, then don't bother to read it.

Though better still, why bother to subscribe to a debate and discussion website in the first place.

Just go to church, if all you want to do is whisper sweet religious nothings in each others ears.

Firstly you need to prove that people have free will.

Well actually, firstly best to conclusively establish what you mean by GOD.

And then secondly or thirdly, when you have conclusively established what you mean by GOD, you will then need to prove that what you have conclusively established to be GOD, is not a load of baloney.

And then fourth, it would also be prudent to prove that sin is more than just a variable concept.

And when you say all people in the C1, are you referring to a Citroen C1?.....A popular small four seater....Five at a squeeze.

A touch of the blarney there Doc.

I just switch on the laptop and everything seems to happen OK.

Your first sentence doesn't make sense.

And your second sentence, just emphasises the extent of the gun problem in the U.S.

And you're currently hung upon 3D printing.

Hmmmmmmm.......Not much else one can say about that.

Other than, the upside of technological advancement in any field, tends to also come with a downside.

The current topic is guns....And the availability and indiscriminate use of.

So I make contributory comments relative to that subject.

Population management is a separate issue......One which I would also be happy to comment on within an appropriate context.

@Poly

Intuition.

Just another internal electro-chemical data handling process.

What's your point.

Other than U.S. citizens have a tendency to fire guns at each other. 

The reality is, if neither  Man A nor Woman B had a gun, no one would have got shot.

What's your point?

Shooting the shooter once they have started shooting.

Shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, as it were.

Fine...But you've already got a pile of dead kids and no horse.

Far better to have shut the door and not sold two assault rifles to an 18 year old youth in the first place.

Good news is, that hypothetically you did manage to save the cat and the kids.

Though charred human remains were found.

You tell me.

Had a quick look on line but couldn't find a definitive answer.

But was amazed at how many there had been in the last 50 years.

Charles Whitman in 1966 was the earliest one that I found.

And also amazed to read that there had been 27 school shootings in 2022 alone.

And Mary certainly knew who the lothario with the big dick was.

I think that his name was Gerald.

Or GED for short.

AKA GED the donkey.

Typically things got lost in translation.

And we ended up with GOD,

And Mary riding a donkey.

And when she told stupid Joe.

His response was.

JESUS CHRIST!

Deconstruct Music.

And you simply have a sequence of variable sounds.

Which may or may not inspire a positive internal reaction from a sentient receiver.

So, I firmly accept the idea that Alternative Intelligence could  become dominant.

But whether or not A.I. would process, interpret  and respond to composed sound in the same way that humans do, is a question for Mr Spock.

As a hypothetical:

What if, when you were rescuing the cat, you saw Vladimir Putin tied to a chair?

For sure.

Young people think that old people never had sex.

@Poly

Spirituality is a  personal internal physiological reaction to an external stimulus.

That is to say, that spirituality is self generated.

Just as subsequent reasoning is an internal self generated process.

That is to say, that we make up fanciful reasons for why we occasionally feel spiritual.

Which is all good harmless fun.......Said the pilot just before he hit the tower.

 

The cause is dumbass gun laws.

@Poly.

And the dumbass argument that most gun owners don't hurt people, is irrelevant.

Because some gun owners do.

The argument is...Is the unregulated public ownership of sophisticated killing equipment, necessary in a civilised society.

And the answer is obviously YES....There's 70billion reasons why it's necessary.

And none of those reasons has anything to do with interest in public safety.

Mine too.

Faith and belief are both assumptions in the absence of factual data.

If someone points a gun at you and then shoots. Would you accept their explanation, that they had faith that the bullet would  turn to fairy dust?

Yet we are expected to accept out of hand a persons faith/belief in a supernatural floaty about creation guy.

If one fulfils the required criteria for driving, then it is a right.

Same for gun ownership.

Same as any other democratically administered social privilege.

Though in the U.S. there are seemingly no real requirements necessary, for acquiring a remote killing device. (Which is essentially the purpose of a rifle)

Whereas one must at least, pass a driving test.  (I assume this is the same in the U.S.) Where the purpose is essentially to get from A to B without having to expend a great amount of energy.

Though dickheads will be  dickheads.....But tend to be the ones that end up causing social problems.

So if it is a sacrosanct right that dickheads should be able to own a remote killing device, then so be it.

But let's be perfectly honest, why does a youth untrained in the use and mental responsibilities of gun ownership, need two assault rifles.

And don't give me the old amended  archaic constitutional BS.....Just reamend it and update it.

Come on you whingers.

Just take it on the chin and come back fighting.

Don't be cowards.

Yep.....Evolution is slow but nonetheless progressive.

Old people die and old ideas gradually die with them.

New people are born and invested with modified data,

Technologically inspired,

Reaching out globally.

Though some of the old stuff will always persist.

Like assault rifles are a very safe toy to sell to immature 18 year olds.

But hey ho,  20 dead out of 7.9 billion.

What's to worry about.

Move on.

Yep....But do you think that an employee owned business has no hierarchical structure?

Who sits in the office and who gets their hands dirty?

Nonetheless, there's no comparison to be made between a small employee owned business and a diverse Nation of 330 million people.

Again....See#21.

Lovely ideas.

But as I've suggested before.

You've got to either re-educate the world, or re-edit the species.

Please specify.

Nice idea, but blood and stones spring to mind.

Because there is a reason why those on welfare, don't run Countries.

And there is also a reason why the poor persons vote is essential to a liberal democracy.

Sort of emphasises the difference between "Western" and Sino-Russian political systems.

Even though wealth and power are still inevitably synonymous.

Socialist utopias neither exist, nor work, because everyone is not equal.

@Poly #62.

The second sentence could do with a little more punctuation.  

Other than that though, it's a jolly good piece of absurd invective.

Imaginary multi-omni tyrants, come with all warts and no apologies I suppose.

Good Golly Miss Poly.

Christianity is one of many outlandish but enduring, data transferring, brain conditioning techniques.

One of the many side effects of being simultaneously clever and stupid....Sort of the Yin and Yang of  human existence as it were.

We're all prone to bouts of it....But some people are more f****** prone to  s*** than others.

My Father in Law used to come up with spontaneous whimsical incomprehensible jokes, and then proceed to laugh his socks off.

He was also prone to spells of extreme grumpiness.

A side effect of falling testosterone levels perhaps?

Well, I did just say that I had daughters.

And I like to think that I am being satirical rather than condescending.

If you think that I am being condescending, that's probably because you have an acquired tendency to think that everyone is being condescending.

Sort of a conditioned inferiority complex.

Hence.......A grumpy old git.

Do you ever relax or smile?

Regards Zed.

So did you reply to me Trade?

Or did you do the cowardly thing and ignore me?

Defo one of your more stupid propositions.

Nice one Deb.

Light the blue touch paper and stand well back.

Yep...Religion has always been big business,

Selling waffle to the dimwits.

Roll up roll up get your salvation here.

Only 5 pieces of silver for a quick de-sinning .

8.50 for a married couple,

And 20 for the family.

So the more you breed the more you save.

But don't forget that,

The more you breed the more you sin.

So same time same place next Sunday.

Right, now it's a time for a sing song.

You all know the words.

La de dah de bollocksy  bollocks.

Well, what we need a return of is, unmedically and un-surgically prolonged life.

The good old days of infant mortality, and heart attacks by the time you reached 65, that's if you managed to get to 65.

I remember reading somewhere that in the good old days not so long ago, making it to 35 was something of an achievement.

Some might suggest that it's just as unethical to keep every old duffer going into their 90's, as it is to abort a foetus or two.

But as I always say, ethicality and morality are very variable concepts.

So unless GODOT put in a heaven extension or two since he started it a few thousand years ago, I'm guessing that it filled up pretty quickly then.

Though I'm also guessing that heaven has various suburbs, the Christian one being a very selective gated community of 144000. Surrounded by sprawling Muslim, Hindu, Judaic etc shanty towns.

Best place to be would be up in the hills humming with the Buddhists and developing one's Kung-Fu skills.

So how big is a soul?

It's certainly nice to think that we can.

So do you have a nice Syrian family moving in next door Doc?

Or would you prefer it if they stayed the other side of the Atlantic, and got along from there.

I expect that was what those First Nations folk would also have preferred.

But hey............ It's all a part of the getting along process.

What we need is a new religion Doc. All head bobbing, incense swinging, hymn singing and humming etc etc.....  Let's call it Islocatholianitibudhindijanitologyism..........Or Polytheism for short, (in case I have forgotten something).

Or preferably no religion at all.

That would be a start.

But then there is politics.....The U.S. would be easy though....Just call everyone a Republicrat or a Demican.

Then there are all those maps with their imaginary boundary lines.......Simple......New map, just colour everywhere the same, and don't include any lines.

So what else is there........Football?

Women.....Shit! I forgot women......Nope got it covered....Gender neutrality.

So you're now officially a GenderNeutralPolytheistRepublicrat, from a line free land mass shaded purple Doc....Same as the Syrian guy next door.

Top of the morning to ya.

*Sorry.....Syrian person.

So we're sort of on the same wavelength.

Though perhaps you display slightly higher levels of angst.

Oh, and I didn't suggest that technological advancements  were the definition of history. I was merely suggesting that if humans didn't possess the ability to record and recall complex data, then we would probably still be living in caves.

By definition, history is the study of past events.....And past events occurred yesterday or even a second ago.

Some might say that was a contradictory statement.

So who's this Lord that knows?.... Freudian slip perhaps?

And I don't do angry.......I grew out of angry some time ago.

Oh and also...As my daughters have matured, and despite all their formative hormonal angst and rebellion, it's quite apparent how much in terms of outlook they have become  like me and Mrs Zed. 

You and Mrs Sadolite (assumption), are your kids chief role models, and they will undoubtedly model themselves on you, despite what you or they might think.

So one of them is bound  to turn into a grumpy old git as they get older.

Regards Zed.

I'm pro-life.

But I'm also pro-death.

Because death sustains life.

Though humans have learned how to be emotional.

And some humans are more emotional than others.

To some it's a cuddly wuddly baby in the making.

To others it's just a blob of organic tissue....The sort that regularly gets pissed down the big white telephone.

Though when it comes to unwanted conception, perhaps the exponents should apply a bit more logic.

The onus is on both parties  of course, though post coitally there's not a huge amount a bloke can do, other than drive her down to the pharmacy to discuss post coital contraception.

We learn from history about things that reputedly, occurred previously.

Learning is simply the acquisition and storing of data.

Like it or not, learning about the past or remembering past events, is an intrinsic human function.

It's why we progress both intellectually and technologically.

Q.  And so, how do we split the Atom then.

A. How would I know....No one bothers to write these things down. 

Like it or not, someone did bother to write these things down.....MAD hey?

And I take it then, that you are an atheist and that you also encouraged your children to be so?

I do not believe anything that cannot be proven to be true.

In fact, belief is a silly concept.

If you knew that your GOD was real, you wouldn't need to believe that it was.

All that you currently have, is acceptance without proof.....AKA blind faith.....AKA belief.

As ever, I accept the idea of a GOD principle....AKA purpose.

Just as I accept the idea of purposelessness.

And also as ever.....I do not run with the floaty about bloke fantasy myth thing.

And proposing that "Atheists are cowards" is as just as silly, though what one might expect from certain mega-theists.

But you let yourself down Trade. 

Not understanding and accepting non-belief is somewhat, intellectually bereft.

Maybe an homogenised race is best. Doc.

Sort of swarthy.

We could call it the human race.

Do you think we would all get along then?

Nah......Remember Ireland...Remember religion Doc.

One can read anything one wants and conclude anything one wants.

But if the precept is a specific religious bias, then the precept is a specific religious bias.

Imaonlydancintotheonetune, as it were.

Turns out that even old Moses was a stupid c***.

So what about old Abe, was that all BS too.

Then along came Muhammad and an even newer Law.

Ideologically, I currently subscribed to the Laws of Zed.

* You might have been offended if I had actually written the word clot.

And so the righteous pro-lifer should also make it clear,  that they do not not support either Russia or Ukraine if that conflict involves the unnecessary taking of life.

Well for now, let's apply a bit of moral selectivity to the issue of moral selectivity, and just say the unnecessary taking of human life.

And given the virtuousness of the righteous pro-lifer, then death resultant of armed conflict should always be unnecessary.....Shouldn't it?

Though as the old pro-life saying goes.....A bundle of embryonic tissue in the womb, is worth ten thousand Russian and Ukrainian lives on the battlefield.

NATO is just the official club motto..

Whether or not Sweden and Finland are currently in the club is irrelevant in terms of allegiance.

How Turkey fits into the club is a more interesting proposition....Clearly a regional powerhouse and a strong ally to have in the club. But Turkey's current stance on Sweden and Finland certainly raises questions.

And so the current ageing paranoid Russian megalomaniac makes a huge error of judgement by blundering into Ukraine, on the Basis of a phoney pretext which no one else really bought, other than a few ageing acolytes and invested sycophants. So how do you get out of that one without looking a right plonker.

Die I suppose.

And talking of right plonkers, did you listen to Dubya's recent speech on the subject.

Depends upon how one chooses to define race.

The dictionary gives several options.

For example.....A competition to see who can get there first.