zedvictor4

My apologies for the initial oversight.

Well, imagination is the internal development or modification of data, that produces a wholly internal conclusion, which may or may not have the intention of being factually representative of an assumed external reality.

So for sure,  that process might or might not reach a reasonable or factual conclusion.....Depending, I would suggest, to a greater extent upon the veracity of the primary data. 

Though we do have a tendency to incorrectly attribute the word Imagination with a more fanciful,  mystical quality.

Which I would suggest is perhaps why you misinterpret my references to imagination.

Not suggesting that you are being fanciful.

But that my observations relate only to cognitive processes......In so much as we are always prisoners of our brain and it's function.

Poly is undoubtedly imaginative, in respect of GOD and GODS.

And anyway, GOD/S currently can only be satisfactorily accounted for as imaginative concepts.

No one can actually prove the existence of an external entity that is separate from the universe.

And I think that we have a basic understanding when it comes to the concept of love.

Notwithstanding that you've changed your mind again, and blamed me for doing so.

The unanswerable conundrum is simple......Given the limitations of knowledge, it is seemingly impossible for either the existence or non-existence of STUFF.

Therefore "academia" is reduced to floundering in the universal abyss postulating GUFF.

Causal finitism basically addresses one alternative......STUFF had a definitive beginning.....Therefore something from nothing in respect of the appearance of matter.

Now can you explain this without resorting to imaginary and incredible scenarios. 

Otherwise it's just another GOD principle that neglects to account for the GOD principle. 

As RM says.

Trans is definitely a choice, based upon acquired knowledge.

Whether or not associated dysphoria isn't a choice based upon acquired knowledge, is the real issue.

Philosophy interests me greatly.

But I'm not necessarily seduced by a name.

And the first six words of your initial statement asked a question which wasn't relevant to the discussion.....Odd.

Enough said.

As far as I am concerned, the non-seriousness of this communication medium, simply dictates that it's best not to say any thing too stupid that can be deemed to be offensive.

Nonetheless:

So we introduce moderators to moderate the moderators etc?

Ultimately someone has to make a decision....Otherwise the anarchy of over-moderation ensues.

Martydome......Tomato sauce.

Martychot......Canned chopped tomatoes.

MartyFeldman......Bulgy eyed, but deceased actor.

MartyRobbins......Big moustache, died 6 days after MartyFeldman.

Martysphere......Notwithstanding plum tomatoes.

Martyovoid......Plum tomato.

Cheeseandmartysarnie.........Cheese and tomato sandwich.

Cannedfisintomatosauce........Exactly what it says on the tin.

Historicalfactofmarty..........Throwing tomatoes at people.

Don't quite see the need for serious pseudo political parodying.

Simply as an exercise in political parodying, then just fine. 

Have a nice day y'all.

Just read about you amigo.

And if you're 15 you are a parody.

And if you're 25 there's perhaps still hope.

And if you're 45 then then you will probably remain a contradiction.

Enjoy the sun whilst it shines.

What is the past?....Save for an idea and an infinite/finite possibility relative to an idea.

Which objects, what objects?....Why the necessity for objects?

And if Pruss, Koon and Lindford get paid for churning out pointless guff, then good on them....Because some fools must be paying them to do so.

I never said anything about wealth inequality. Though this will occur as a consequence of inherent inequality.

And no, inherent behaviour hasn't changed (as I stated).....Therefore society may have modified relative to social and technological development, but the social system has nonetheless stayed the same.....As I also stated, change the human, then change the system.

And what sort of anarchic dystopia do you live in?....And how will a new currency variant make any difference?

And objectivity is either perfect or not.....Though I do not accept the concept of objectivity....All internal data processing is unavoidably subjective, irrespective of the veracity of anything that may be  output as a consequence.

And I do not see the relevance of your final comments.....I have a niche within a system, a niche that costs me X to maintain.....Why would I give you anything, when you do not provide me with anything.

And look around and also look in the history books, where you will see that all attempts at pseudo Marxist utopian societies, all became an alternative nightmare for someone........Slaves will never be paid the same as Lords.

People choose to create disgust and offence, that's the undeniable sequence of data transfer, modification and response, and it is done for a specific reason.

Such behaviour has become a very powerful discriminatory counter-weapon.

Nigga Nigger, same difference, same Latin roots.

Call me whitey or alba....See if I care.

Sorry but your crypto-utopia is basically electronic Marxist hypocrisy, that just doesn't take into account inherent human behaviour and predictability.

Inherent inequality will exist whatever the currency.

So before you can successfully change the system, you will firstly need to change the human.

But who will do what for less in an equal system anyway.

And Brigands, Raiders, Nomads, Thieves, Cavalry and Parasites.......You've been watching far to many fantasy videos.

I can assure you that real life is nothing like that.....Well it certainly isn't where I come from.

You earn your money, pay your dues and hopefully lead a reasonably healthy and contented life.

Nowt as daft as folk, as they say up North.

And Vlad the Pute, gets thousands to offer themselves up for sacrifice.

As did Adolf the Hit get. 

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Planet Earth is the constant Human Marty Dome for sure.

Though I prefer to refer to it as the MARTYSPHERE.

Well, some would say improperly.

Odd that you should refer to it as proper use.

You spoke of origins and I informed you of the origins of the "N" word.

So, if one progresses through the subsequent  sequence of usage, it is just as likely that it's fall from grace was brought about not by the offender, but by the offended.

Like golliwog, never intended to be abusive.....Just representative of reality........But deemed abusive by the offended.....Which can just as rightly be regarded as racism.....Though popularly, racism for some only means a one way transaction.....Hypocrisy I would suggest.

Typically you have missed the point and flown off the emotive handle.....I was merely discussing origins, rather than music industry sub-culture.

And rape and BDSM have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the point I was making.....So if you wish to discuss context, then stay on track.

Overall production of what by whom?.....Have you plucked this idea out of a Marxist textbook.

And who currently steals what?

You seem to have an odd jaundiced idea of current society and it's machinations.....Assuming that a different currency system will somehow alter human behaviour and society  for the better.

The hierarchy of ability and consequent wealth disparity, is what get's things done....How do you think that this will be different?

You will just end up with different but the same, or the same but different.......With social infrastructure to pay for and bureaucratic administrators administrating, and you in prison if you refuse to pay your taxes.....Or you imprisoning others if they refuse to pay their taxes.

The reality was, that Marx was a hypocrite and communism was an unworkable pipedream.

Amazing shit.

Exactly my point really.

Currency is currency.

Though I think that you underestimate the social power of money.

Doesn't make any difference what the dominant  currency is....... Crypto or Dollars.

You've either got it or not.

And it's not going to appear in ones account  from nowhere.

And for sure, real value is in commodity.

Je ne comprends pas.

Nigger like so many words has it's origins in the Latin language.

Therefore in it's "origin" was never abusive.

It is more likely therefore that it was originally regarded as an abusive term, rather than intended as an abusive term.

I'm far from sure that there is any real  benefit to be gained, by challenging an established system with basically the same system, wherein both systems are based upon the same principles.

Ultimately cryptocurrency is just the same, relative to the same.

So if you wished to buy land or property from me, I would set a price that would have to be met in Pounds Sterling.....Therefore you would need to possess crypto of a comparative value, and an institution or system that would be prepared to convert crypto to Pounds Sterling.....Or vice versa.

Though one would suggest that eventually all currency will be crypto in nature anyway.....Call it what you will.

Nonetheless, in terms of investment give me a  tangible commodity, rather than a digital assumption.

And interestingly, when researching this subject one found that crypto wealth was eventually always measured in dollars.

So unless one can invent a technology whereby wealth can be created from nothing........But then, how would such an egalitarian system function?....Robots perhaps......But what would motivate people?......Boredom perhaps.

At an atomic level the human body is made up of mostly emptiness.

Everything is history Doc.

The present only lasts a nanosecond, and the future is what becomes the present and is consigned to history in the next nanosecond.

Well, over here in the UK when restrictions were lifted, the infection rate shot up.

Thankfully, the vaccination programme seems to have been reasonably effective, though a few people are still experiencing symptoms that require hospitalization.

4th vaccination due soon....And still wearing mask in busy environments.

China and India look a bit grim at the moment.

#91

Sort of a melange of ideas not quite attaining a telos.

"Fat" has evolved from an unnecessity to do anything.

And Trans-Sexuality has evolved from an unsubstantiated sequence of events.......All arguments are pertinent, even if one doesn't like the other persons argument.

@Poly.

Is that based upon the penis size to skin tone ratio, relative to wealth study......Conducted by the Pagan Health Institutes Department for Bedroom Efficacy and  Statistics.....PHIDBES for short.

A bit like Docs claim.....Spurious. 

Which all goes to prove that Public School should be banned........Doesn't it?

Though if the public don't go to school, who will?

What is the correlation between low divorce rates and best sex?

In terms of time spent, what percentage of a relationship is given up to sex?

I'm not sure that you fully understand the concept of best sex Doc.

You seem to be confusing it with the concept of a stable marriage.

People maybe satisfied with their relationships and content with their adequate sex lives, but this isn't really the measure of best sex.

Sexuality is explained by the innate desire to reproduce.

Methodology can be variable.

And we like to read more into these things than is actually necessary.

Youthanasia creeps in too.

Very heart warming I'm sure.

But not comparable.

I was suggesting that it is very unlikely that a hearing person would choose to be deaf.

Not the same as a deaf person refusing surgery.

It's exactly the same argument.....Whether it's The U.S.A or Mexico or 2022 or 1722.

Funny how you shifted you're focus onto Mexico......Sort of dodging the issue as it were.

Of course developmental anomalies occur.

I have addressed this issue many times.

Some people are born deaf, or blind.....But this is not the same as choosing to be deaf or blind.......I think that we would regard this as foolish behaviour.

Social construct of gender....You said it.

Biological sex.....You said it.

So firstly.........Neither you nor I has conflated the issues.

And secondly......... I prefer to refer to it as constructional rather than biological.......Biological has other more complex implications.....Whereas constructional is that which is presented at birth.

And I don't try to hurt people, people hurt themselves.....It's the old offender, offence, offended argument.

And bigots don't need ammunition....They're already well armed.

I was intrigued by the notion of intellectually challenged societies. As if there is such a specific thing as an unintellectually challenged or intellectually challenged society.

I would suggest that any moral or ethical disagreement is likely to result from ideological differences rather that intellectual disparity.

Not at all...My point is mine and mine alone, derived at internally....Everyone else makes their own points in the same way. To feign hurtfulness is just an emotive side tracking of the realistic debate.....People can choose and I wish them well.

And the old new gender sex semantics thing, I don't see as relevant.....Once again, it just seeks to side track the realistic argument.

A Trans man is a female that thinks they are male....I am fully accepting of this.....But they are  what they are nonetheless

And in terms of realism, I am referring to constructional realism as opposed to applied realism.

I am not suggesting that I doubt the on the spot reality and integrity of the Trans situation.

What about the socially and intellectually over challenged, challenging of those that don't necessarily wish to be challenged.

@Tarik.

Begs the question....How long is eternity?

Or is it simply a case of.....Well, you are rehabilitated now....But you're still damned for eternity......Sorry matey.

Or is it simply the case, that we are wittering on about non-sense again?

Me thinks the latter......But it does provide entertainment.

Admirable Stephen.

Yep that's basically what happens.

It's been happening for years and years.

Immigration, prejudice based on fearfulness of strangers, slow familiarisation and integration, general acceptance.....And then some other ugly looking buggers come along and upset the apple cart again........D'oh.

Though I think that most of them are actually from Planet Earth.

All except Matt Gaetz and family that is......Not his dad, he was part of a hybrid breeding programme.

Nonetheless:

Can you imagine what the First Nationers thought when the first European Colonialists rocked up and took over all the buffalo and beaver slaughtering jobs........What the F***'s going on here!

It's nice to end with a smile.

Must go now, things to do.

Have a nice day.

Odd stuff.

Why is it awkward talking to older people?

What is the difference between a "common person" pre and post 1980 or 1996 or whenever?

I would suggest that  sexual interaction between two men is as psychologically taboo today as it ever was, it's just that social acceptability has (sort of) changed.

Lesbianism has never carried the same weight of unacceptability.

And let's not concern ourselves here with T. (Just as taboo and also sort of acceptable).....And the can of worms that is Q. (but only if one asks the right questions)......Nor the huge contradiction that is B.

Interesting that you don't mention popular religion, which to a greater extent is responsible for laying the foundations of sexual repression and moral oppression.

Sort of salty, so I am told........LOL.

What on Earth is this 26 year old on about?

Is this yet another act of justification?

Why are my predictions doomy and gloomy....I'm just pointing out what is typically U.S Presidential activity.

Cheap stickers then....probably made in China.

So, driven by your lust for cheap gasoline, you fully support the Russian (Putin) invasion of an independent sovereign territory?

Why am I not surprised.

I see it as a good wake up call to our over-dependency and the unsustainabilty of fossil fuels.

I'm British....But mention the name Barney and I think of only one person...A fictional one at that.

Now Fred, and I think of..................

Yabba Dabba Doooooooooo.

I doubt it.

There might be a typical swing towards the opposition. Depending upon who and what of course.

Though when push comes to shove in 2024, the died in the wool will do as they always do, and the moderate centre will once again be the ones that decide what's what.

Of course there will be the whole election circus of misinformation and allegations and scandals to get through before then.

And then there's that ridiculous voting system.

Such is global entertainment Hollywood style.

The trouble is, presidencies have to be bought.

They're not awarded on merit alone.

Do you also think that 335 million people are listening to you?

You will share the views of a fairly extreme right wing insular fraternity.

The sort that would don their red hat and jump with glee at the sight of an orange clown.

Not everyone is so impressed by such behaviour.....Some people are smarter than that.

For sure, everything is subjective.

Even the notion of objectivity is subjective, or more correctly, data subject to the same processes of internal manipulation.

It's not that morals are independent and definitive objects that float about and occasionally bump you on the head.

They are created inside your head....And disinterested or not you will still possess some data sequences that resemble what is loosely regarded as morality.

I can probably suggest a hundred things, that when subjected to your internal moral scrutiny, you would decline to do in the shopping mall.

A discussion for the sake of it really.....Which is fine and dandy.

   

I'm good at extrapolating metaphors.

You seem to think that you speak for 335 million people.

A tad arrogant I would suggest.

All accounted for in my previous statement, if you care to read it thoroughly.

Cis males who are infertile, is quite self explanatory.

As is a female, that thinks she is male.

Developmental anomaly as opposed to an afterthought.

Though everything is real within a context....And therefore real by association.

So even if my understanding of basic factual reality may seem somewhat conservative, I am nonetheless fully supportive of personal freedom to choose.

Most of the guff that gets inserted into the dictionary and reference books these days, is simply justification for what is still a taboo issue. 

Justification to the point of extremism, one might add.