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Well.... Rocket engineering and brain surgery are developed techniques that can be taught and learned. So I would agree that anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence, and more importantly the ambition, could become a rocket engineer or brain surgeon.

The reason why I don't say rocket scientist, is because those that developed sophisticated techniques of engineering and surgery were perhaps a tad bit more intelligent than most.

Not sure that you are fully understanding of the term "Pagan" Poly.

Or the term atheist, for that matter.

Atheist Pagans is a contradiction in terms.

And "LOL" is you laughing at yourself.

Nice.

Who are they?

And what is normal Doc?

Normal is people fearful of change.

And Dem or Con makes no difference.

Tomorrow is always the New Normal.

Humans are sapient, as would be other evolved sentient organic structures, as might be evolved sentient inorganic structures.

And GOD principle might be a further extension of this process of material evolution, to a point of conclusion.

Personifying is a person thing.

And true, as gullible minors we  are often subjected to the personification of a GOD, derived from archaic and naive hypotheses/fantasy tales.

So theistically this is what GOD has inevitably become.

To be fair, I suppose that it all ends up meaning the same thing.

I'm just certain that worship is completely unnecessary.

As things will inevitably happen as they will.

@Tarik

One could be interested but not care.

It's all data management.

With the possibility of further mental or even physical application, or no further application.

Depends upon whether we are interested enough to care.

Well.

GOD is a label for human ignorance.

And then there are various and specific humanesque GODS aligned to popular religions.

As an atheist, and not accepting the idea of a humanesque or physical  GOD, I am therefore not aligned to any popular religious ideology. 

Why?......Lack of evidence......And lack of appropriate conditioning of course.

So that leaves me with a choice between chance or purpose.

And one likes to think that there is a purpose to everything...And one refers to such purpose as a GOD principle.

Even if that just be chance material creation and evolution to a point of conclusion and re-initiation.

With evolved organic structures such as ourselves not necessarily just along for the ride, and full of imagination.

GOD principle-----Creation-----Material Evolution-----GOD principle-----Re initiation-----And so on.

And theism doesn't get drummed into heads?

And atheism can be as rhetorical as you want it to be.

But atheism generally means, not adhering to popular religious ideology.

When it comes to the point of conclusion we are all as ignorant as one another.

And for sure, GOD is just a label for our ignorance.

And fantasy always has been an insubstantial but entertaining substitute.

As ever.....GOD principle sound.....But not a floaty about bloke.

Is that really you Mr E?

Back from the wilderness.

Hope that you and the lovely Mrs E are both well.

Science is as simple or as complicated as is necessary.

But to understanding any process fully whether it be religion or making custard, is to understand the complex processes of matter and the brain.

So Professor Poly.......EXACTLY what happens when you think that you're a polytheist?

If you think that it's external magic blokes firing data signals into your brain....Then you are undoubtedly mistaken/deluded.

And EXACTLY.....What makes custard happen?

For sure......Definitively, cooking,  religion and science are different.

But to understand fully, one needs to apply science to them all.

Well notwithstanding that a lot of Jews are antisemitic.

Semite is a bit of hijacked hyperbole....Check out it's general definition.

But another discussion.

But correct, hyperbole for sure.

And a reference to all religions and their ritual absurdities.

Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Catholicism etc etc etc.

I make no distinctions, unless the distinction is already made.

Jews and the afterlife, as it were.

And a wall is a wall.

No more no less.

And recording what has happened (history) is data acquisition, and storage.

No more, no less.

And nodding at walls, is no more or less a derived exaggeration of data manipulation.

And circumcision........Well, genital manipulation of minors is often regarded as perverse in western societies....Such are the contradictions of morality I suppose.

And the afterlife.

What to do hey.

How does one plan for eternity?

  

Agree.

Nice.

GOD is a theory.

But like all creation theories GOD falls at the first hurdle.

Something from nothing.

BOOM!

But what went boom.

Eternal existence is an easy answer.

But a magic bloke?

"Illiterate" wasn't quite the word you were looking for Poly.

Ignorant was probably the one.

Bit of a foot shooter there.

But hey, we all make mistakes.

"Calling" is an easy concept to understand Poly.

It's an internal response to acquired data.

No magical beings out there, Poly.

They're all inside Poly.

Engaging is the whole point of the exercise Poly.

People believe because we continually transfer the relative data from generation to generation.

Data originally born out of ignorance.

It must have been a magical floaty about bloke, as it were.

The fact that we keep transferring said data, is a testament to human fallibility.

Some of us have moved on though.

Entertaining.......But it's meant to be....And everything from a human perspective.

As I see it the future of Planet Earth may or may not be inextricably linked to the future of the universe.

The development of matter including humanity seems important, though the evolutionary process to a final point probably has billions of years to run yet.

And for how long our input will be vital is anyone's guess.....Though as technology evolves, the numbers of humans needed to facilitate the process will decrease greatly.

That is to say, that most humans are/will be surplus to requirements.

Whereas once we required natural selection to advance the knowledge of the species, we probably now have the knowledge to dispense with natural selection.

A.I. is probably the only way forwards.....With only a very select group of humans along for the ride.

Whether or not we keep churning out organic human dross, will to a greater extent, depend upon sustainability.

Your inability to see sense is perhaps self explanatory, but w/e.

One would suggest Poly, that the very purpose of any GOD would be omnipotence.

Something that just huffs and puffs and creates a bit of wind for example, is really just a labourer....Not even a sub-GOD.

Not that I'm in charge of GOD classification.

Are you?

It was an exaggeration of the actions of devout Jews at the wailing wall.

Circumcision and stylised rituals....Ideological embellishments that make no real difference.

Would a GOD be so stupid, as to think that such behaviour, was or had ever been necessary.

And the same ritual unnecessity generally applies to all religions.

The necessity of GOD or MEN?

Easy question me thinks.

I understand the basic idea I think.

A scientific experiment whereby comparative data is used to calculate something......Standard methodology.

In this case the action of light in a variable environment, to determine lightspeed.

I just think that it would have been better to have said, when the rotatable mirror is not rotating, or is fixed.

A rotating mirror that is not rotating, is something of a contradiction.

An orgy of genital mutilation and head butting walls perhaps.

And other very sensible stuff.

Yep.

I know it doesn't work that way Doc.

But we've been drumming anti-fascist morals into our kids ever since WW2.

So don't start blaming the kids for the liberal morals that you and your old folk inspired Doc.

Foucault's Method flawed from the outset.

Because despite it's potential.....If a mirror isn't rotating, then it's not a rotating mirror.

That could just as easily describe a bowl of custard Trade.

What I really wanted, was to understand what your GOD actually was.

Narcissistic ecstasy, one would assume.

SO

GOD

AND THEN

A BLOKE WAS NAILED TO A POST.

BECAUSE YOU AND I ARE SINNERS.

GO............Material evolution..........GOD principle.

Or nihilism of course.

Must stress, GOD not to be confused with a floaty about bloke.

More likely to be floaty about AI.

Somewhere along the way we will rely upon Alternative Intelligence.

If not already.

(Nothing really artificial about intelligence).

So it took Homo sapiens 300 000 years to ask this question.

And it's taken IT what?....

No more that 50 years to make us reliant upon IT.

And  AI is featureless and all talks the same basic language.

So less arguing and fighting.

He's easy listening....He has a sort of sing song pitch.

But I find that I end up, not having really listened to a word that he said.

Though I think that this is quite a common phenomena.

Unless we are actively motivated to acquire specific data, internal receptors will not respond.

Sometimes regarded as ignorance, I suppose.

And probably why I always day dreamed in Sunday School.

And why my wife keeps saying.....You weren't listening were you.

I always blame the wax.

And  like you will probably not bother to acquire anything I have written here.

Depends on what you mean by GOD Trade.

And I'm never quite sure what you do mean by GOD.

It would be helpful if you accompanied such preaching, with a practical explanation of your idea of GOD.

Rather that using loose and undefining ritual speak.....White Noise as it were.

Is that a internal manifestation of  excitement and wellbeing.

Or a surface based sensation of comfort....Which of course is also an internally based expression of outward sensation.

Do you apply some sort of moisturising solution?

And do such moments of sensory pleasure, inevitably conclude?.......EVENTUALLY putting clothes on, as it were.

Hey....You started it.

And don't tell Tradesecret.

They will have you repenting for the rest of your life.

Wahoo.

Nice.

Sin, guilt and repentance.

As opposed to being slightly dishonest, worrying a tad and either owning up or not bothering to own up.

And then there's everything or anything in between.

And I think that original sin was sort of a sexual motivated phobia.

And repentance...Perhaps a good flogging of the buttocks....Was a sexually motivated philia.

Glory be......The perversity of religion.....And humans in general.

And as sure as HELL!......Guilt doesn't eat me up Trade.....HaHa.

Does guilt really eat you up Trade?

Do you spend your life repenting for every little indiscretion?

Yep

I'd forgotten about Dr Lebronski.

Sorry Doc L.

Better Poly.

If you take a look at my posts in this thread, you should be able to work out that  I'm pretty much in agreement with you.

Nonetheless I still find the discussion interesting.

Yep

I too thought it a "breadcrumb".

But perhaps something I don't know about.

Can you enlighten me?

If you think so.

Of course you do Doc.

And I particularly appreciate it's futility.

An assemblage of recurring modifications that arrive at their own conclusion and achieve nothing other than that.

So replace MGB with Allah.

And Muhammad is a happy bunny too.

Doc and Muhammad

Like two peas in a pod.

The Ontological argument could unite the World Doc.

It could prove everything to everyone's satisfaction.

Like, replace MGB with MPA

Morally Permissable Abortionist

Will satisfy the pro-lifers for sure Doc.

Or MGP

Maximally Great Paedophile!

Oh dear dear Doc.

What have you started?

Voyager suggests that empty space, might not be as empty as we thought.

And semi-absolute is a contradiction in terms.

A bit like half-full or half-empty.

What is an intelligent word?

I got that.

Nor Me.

The OP was Post Obama.

It's what's known as an interesting discussion Poly.

Instead of sniping, what not try and bring something useful to the discussion.

How does the Gnostic Christian hypothesis sit with your version of Polytheism?

Shit-eating.

Common method of secondary digestion.

Sort of chewing the cud.

But not so appreciated by the human eye, as the ruminative cow is.

So GOD is that which might give purpose to everything.

Or on the other hand, that which I have become from data acquisition and analysis....Which may or may not have any other greater purpose.....Or be relative to any other greater purpose...AKA GOD principle.

So not withstanding that Gnostic Christian is a contradiction in terms.

You're sort of a theistic atheist.....If that weren't contradictory enough.

I suppose it all boils down to which label best represents our own personal version of human  ignorance.

Shitposting.

Common mammalian method of data transfer.

My dog spends hours reading the messages in other dogs excreta.

What actually is GOD?

Well.

Do you mean funny embarrassing, or excruciatingly embarrassing?

And of course, history is everything that has happened, not just the stuff chosen to be in history books.

Do you or I know, even 1% of our respective homeland's real history.

Well.

To whom it may concern.

Gnostic Christianity is a contradiction in terms, founded upon the fantasy of a GOD and Christ.....Which was founded upon all myth and fantasy, that preceded it.

Just another more or less unrealistic version of the same thing.

Vote Rational Madman.