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@ethang5
You seem to conflate religion and politics. Resulting in the assumption that all christians are conservative and all non-religious people are liberals.
Perhaps that is why the U.S. is apparently so divided.
So once more for the record....I am atheist, apolitical and eclectic....As defined by conditioning relative to age and location.
Which I suppose makes me liberal in terms of tolerance, yet underpinned with a mildly conservative mind set.
Sort of...As long as it doesn't impinge upon my lifestyle, then someone else's life choices don't bother me.
On the fence Mr E.
And give my regards to the lovely Mrs E.
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@ethang5
HaHa.
You've cherry picked my previous post and dodged the important bits.
And your bias doesn't make you unable to differentiate?....LOL
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@949havoc
I've no idea what that sentence is trying to tell me, or how it relates to the Udog's theory.
Perhaps it's cynicism or sarcasm or even genuinely meant to be metaphorical.
You will need to elaborate.
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@ebuc
I would suggest that:
Concepts are the result of processed data.
As is the presumption of a false narrative.
As is all intellectual output.
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@ethang5
You're going all slushy, you big softy.
Do you sing this one to the lovely Mrs E every morning.
Myself, I find the bible as profound as a currant bun.
Though hang on.
Currant buns are sometimes used as an analogy for the formation of the Universe.
Damn!
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@cristo71
The medias primary responsibility is to their paymasters.
So consequently, and irrespective of accuracy, media is wholly subjective and never neutral.
Media "strives" to be plausible.
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It is a much older event.
That's a tad woolly Mr E.....To say the least.
And throws up all sorts of implications and contradictions.
The Earths geology varies greatly relative to time.
But so does biological evolution.
You and your scientists need to be a good deal more specific.
At what point does the Earths geological development and biological/species development coincide to allow for such an event to be possible?
I would suggest that "science" easily disproves the possibility.
It's no good advocating the "science" that agrees with your biblical commitments, but then denying the science that doesn't agree.
That just makes you appear to be "cherry picking".
Which is what you are doing. Mr E.
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@ebuc
Absolute truths are eternally existent.
In so much as "absolute truths are eternally existent", is an intellectual concept and can therefore be recognised as such.
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@ebuc
My limited understanding is:
Truth preceding a creation event is unattainable.
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@Benjamin
Not sure about morality.
Should just be a balanced judgement about risk, relative to age and fitness.
I am 61 but very fit, and hesitated for about 6 months, in order to assess the risk of serious side effects.
There appeared to be no serious side effects, other than a blood clotting issue in a minority group, which was soon identified.
Anti-Vaxxers are a certain type of person whose judgements have a tendency to be somewhat skewed in favour of the irrational.
I don't want a vaccine because the Government has a depopulation agenda, type of thing.
Or the liberal lefties smuggled in fake votes from Central America....Get my drift Ben?
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@Wylted
True.
But you gave me plenty to work with.
Sometimes a bit of punctuation wouldn't go amiss.
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@Wylted
The Afghan military frequently raped little boys and members of the American military.
And so presumably a lot of Afghan fighting paedophiles and uniform fetishists are blind in one eye.
And Mike was always down in a room with the obvious staff.
You just couldn't make it up.
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@RationalMadman
Human social and physiological evolution in progress RM.
Over all life expectancy is still far better than it was 200 years ago, even if one is a fat lazy bastard.
Death relative to life choices should be regarded as a reasonable expectation.
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@Mesmer
Objective correctness is always a subjective opinion.
And known facts are such that they rarely need qualification anyway.
And philosophy, religion and to a greater extent sociology are disciplines that rely upon subjective output....That is why they are perpetually argued without resolution.
And a "substantial argument" is such that it validates itself.
Within a FORUM discussion I rarely see any need to substantiate my subjectivity with another persons subjectivity.
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@ethang5
I don't really need to be arguing this non-sense Mr E.
But it's entertaining.
So if the polar ice caps melted, the level of all available water on planet Earth would on rise by approx 60m above current sea levels.
That would be approx 8800m short of what would be needed to cover the entire Earth.
There just ain't enough water Mr E.
Floods occur due to temporary and rapid displacements of water and are usually localised.
Chiefly weather related, but sometimes seismic events and rarely geological shifts.
But not magical fountains Mr E.
Magical fountains are the stuff of myths legends and wild imagination.
So Noah entered the Ark at the age of 600, with a enough supplies on board to keep the biggest Zoo ever, going for over a year.
And in seven days it started to RAIN.
What was that I said about myths, legends and wild imagination?
But if it makes you feel good Mr E.....That's good enough for me.
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@ebuc
Does anyone actually know what the real truth is?
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@ethang5
The nature of balance Mr E, is that the moderate centre eventually restablizes the chaos.
And the media today is just about selling sensationalism....There's no interest in the mundanity of day to day life.
People will believe what they want to believe.....And then they have to get up and go to work...Or the bathroom....Or the kitchen.
Or to bed.
Night Night Sleep Tight.
Don't let the Liberal Bugs Bite.
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@janesix
You're welcome Jane.
Diversity makes the World an interesting place.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Certainly not an English grammar forum, hey Poly?
What the above post might mean, is anyone's guess.
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@FLRW
Such is material progress.
Things will be done because we learn how to do them.
And morality is sometimes unnecessary overthink.
Food for thought indeed, especially if one is not a pacifist vegan.
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@Mesmer
I consider my own personal source to be credible enough in a Forum conversation. Where one generally, only tends to proffer a personal opinion.
In a Forum conversation I only really deem it necessary to back up specific stats or attribute specific quotes.
If for example, one is simply exchanging philosophical, political or religious opinion, then sources tend to be nothing more than arbitrary and secondary opinion often relative to a bias.
You should have confidence in your own knowledge, which is already acquired from sources anyway.
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@Polytheist-Witch
History has shown.
That there was once two sides.
Recent history has shown that there are still two sides.
Though not necessarily divided by latitude.
And F all to do with statues.
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@ethang5
Must be nearly midnight.
5.45 here.
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@Wylted
Technological singularity.
Nice.
Probably what I refer to as the GOD principle.
The purpose of which, is perhaps greater than the purpose of humanity.
Inorganic intelligence.......The ultimate state of material evolution.
The future is out there and we may not be along for the ride.
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@RationalMadman
For sure, comparisons are not that simple.
My point was, that people are still prepared to cross borders in search of any income.
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@ethang5
Data signals in.
Converted into internal imagery.
We are nonetheless confident, that our internal imagery is accurately representative of an external objects.
Goading aside.
My point is, that our understanding of an external reality is wholly self contained.
Once our internal processing unit is switched off, there is nothing.
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@ethang5
If nothing else, I admire your tenacity Mr E.
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@ethang5
The old water trick again Mr E.....You're keen on this one.
And all that Noah did was take his rowing boat and rescue his neighbours goats from a localized flood.
See how hand me hand me down tales can get exaggerated Mr E.
And for sure.... To flood the entire Earth there would have needed to have been enough water to exceed 8850m above normal sea level.
And as I pointed out to you previously Mr E.....During a localized flooding event, water certainly does appear to be "gushing" from the ground....It is a regular phenomena where I live.
And as you proposed elsewhere Mr E.....Imagination.
And yes..... Imagination + Exaggeration = Tall tales = The Bible.
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@sadolite
I want fucking Mount Rushmore fucking blown up.
Nice.
I love it when you're angry.
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@drlebronski
Subtract 2 from 10 and you get 7.
Is that what they teach you in the U.S.
You were joking, weren't you?
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@FLRW
The other option is that transhumanism/posthumanism might actually evolve.
Schizophrenia...Probably a hormone thing....Just keep taking the tablets.
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@Mesmer
Lots of words Mr Mes.
But very little source.
As you stated
In your opinion.
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@Mesmer
Or perhaps you suffer from SFD.
SOURCE FIXATION DISORDER.
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@ethang5
1. Well..... You always presume to know that I am a liberal.
2. I agree..... Imagination for sure... See 1.
Ergo imaginary GODS.
3. Creation for sure.....With a little bit of imagination, swap the ion for an or....Ta dah!.....An imaginary GOD.
4. Yep....Perception is.... Incoming data signals converted into imagery somewhere between Mr E's ears....You see her, you touch her, you smell her and you're confident in the image that you create.
Mr E thinks...Therefore both he and she are.....For sure....I have the same level of confidence too, in myself and the lovely Mrs Zed.
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@sadolite
Just as they came from Poland to the U.K.....To work for what previously was an unimaginable fortune (minimum wage).
They probably come from Mehico to the U.S. in their droves, to do the same.
Wealth is relative to expectation.
Thank goodness for "freaking moronic" Poles (and all other subsequent hard working migrants) is all that I can say. They keep all manner of British businesses going.
Certain freaking moronic lazy Brits would sooner sit on their arses all day, rather than lift a finger....OOOOOOOH RSI.
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@Mesmer
Species evolution.
Human to Trans-human to Post-human.
Organic to hybrid to alternative intelligence.
It's happening in plain sight.
To escape this Earthly prison, intelligence must evolve.
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@Intelligence_06
Ebuc is Ebuc.
They are an enigma.
I was once to my regret, somewhat disparaging.
Extract what you can from Ebuc's posts and therein lies rational, logical common sense......And sincerity.
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@ebuc
God/Universe are synonyms.
Yeah!!!!!
Rational logical common sense.
Try telling that to Mr E et al.
Taught as kids....They still think that God is an eternally existent magical floaty about bloke.
How's that for rational logical common sense?
LOL.
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@Intelligence_06
Uh... about that...
I've no idea what that means.
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@Mesmer
The real problem is.
You think that YOU produce the good arguments.
And that anyone who proposes a counterargument, therefore proposes a bad argument.
It's what's known as intolerance of any alternative point of view.
Under these circumstances, sourcing is completely irrelevant anyway.
You're forgetting that there are two sides to every argument.
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@janesix
Your strangeness is what defines you, and what we have come to appreciate.
Don't try to be different.
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@Mesmer
As I stated.
Everything has a source.
A source is a previously derived idea....Is a previously derived idea...Is a previously derived idea....And so on.
You are too bogged down in formality.
OK in debate, but not a necessity of the FORUM.
As if I have the time and the commitment to source every FORUM post I make.
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@ethang5
Engage the narcissist.
Lovely goading Mr E.
But I still fail to see what any of this has to do with politics.
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@ethang5
Yes Mr E.......But all the inner turmoil your imagination brings, in defence of the imaginary principles held therein.
Sleepless nights and Bro D.
Thank creation for the lovely Mrs E.
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@MonkeyKing
One can attribute potential to something known.
But something unknown or imaginary does not have real potential.
Science, religion and belief are all human potentials, relative to our ability to construct remember and record complex data sequences.
An imaginary deity cannot have true potential, only fictional potential.
The potential is in how you or I might manage such data and formulate a response.
So the potential of imaginary deities, manifests as religions and wars for example.
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@Dr.Franklin
I would suggest Doc.
That what you saw, was what YOU saw.
Truth in your eyes, but not truth in everyone's eyes.
Better described simply as.....How YOU see things.
I would further suggest that the actual "TRUTH" of the matter is indeterminate.
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@EtrnlVw
I DO NOT BELIEVE.
A FRED principle is that which MIGHT give purpose to everything.....Could be anything.
Everything MIGHT also be purposeless.
No one knows.
Just ideas Mr EtrnlVw, just ideas.
Brain held data, variously sequenced.
No theism no deism, just formulated ideas that come to mind every now and then.
Though none of the above to be confused with the separate and totally bewildering issue of creation.
So why do you find not believing so difficult?
P.S. As you are so fixated on the G deity, I thought it best to use FRED instead.
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@MonkeyKing
Firstly let's make it clear, that I have no BELIEF......Just acceptance of ideas.....All ideas....But I conclude that some ideas are more rational than others.
Religion is too young and creation is too old.....In a nutshell.
I am not exempt from future discovery.
Though there is always "potential" for anything or nothing.
"Potential" is a red herring.
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