zedvictor4

We agree then.

There are two basic premises.

Chance....(AKA GOD principle).

Purpose...(AKA GOD principle).

Fast forward several billion years to about 2000 years hence, and WE develop rational theism/deism.

Me thinks not.

Me thinks that WE create a GOD in our own image....(AKA rational atheism).

A fake is not fraudulent, unless it was intended to deceive.

And a picture is real, however it was produced.

And of course, there is the "Art" of deception.

And as I stated previously, it all boils down to money.

If money wasn't lost or gained, no one would care.

You would just be left with an item which you thought worthy or not, of wall decoration.

That's currently the known reality for sure.....So no criticism necessary.

But as I always state, the GOD principle represents something.

Floaty about blokes of story books are old hat, fantasy based, outdated, long shots....Perpetuated, because it is the human condition to transfer and remember data.

Sometimes we just cannot help ourselves.

Sort of contradicts the underlying sentiment of your opening statement.

Remember when you Gran died from cancer because there was no other options  available.

I must admit.

It's one of those conspiracy theories, that cannot be totally ignored.

And me the great sceptic that I am.

If someone does not succeed or things go wrong they  blame the success of others and look for appropriate labels.

It's a typical human response.

Jew, Muslim, Black, Asian, Chinese etc. are all discriminatory labels that are readily applied when the "white" chips are down.

And Semitism is something of a misnomer, as not all Semites are Jews and not all Jews are Semitic.

They're the companies that make the life sustaining drugs that billions of people crave and demand.

If you don't trust them, you can always knock up your own medicines in your basement lab.

The way I look at it is:

1. Most people  are vaccinated from birth against potentially debilitating or fatal infections. Covid undoubtedly falls into the category of potentially debilitating or fatal.

2. Over the past 200 years life expectancy has increased significantly, and vaccination plays a significant role in this increased expectancy.

3. All medical interventions come with a risk of side effects. 

4. We do not know the lingering side effects of many things.

5. Yet we do know the potential side effects of certain things, and we carry on regardless. Smoking, over consumption of alcohol, over consumption of processed food, poor diet generally, lack of exercise etc etc.

6. Age is not a guarantee, of risk from the debilitating and fatal effects of covid infection.

7. Life is a crapshoot anyway.

All things considered, I conclude that for me at 61 years of age, a healthy lifestyle and vaccination is a no brainer.

And I might be knocked of my bicycle tomorrow.

Head down and not manipulated.

I would suggest not.

Perhaps at best, there is a slight variation in manipulatory system.

For sure....You pay your money and make a decision dressed up as choice.

Statues stand around doing F all.

And humans remember things.

And memory is a Yin and Yang thing.

And Mr E has once again been cast into the wilderness for 30 days and 30 nights.

Completely depends upon what GOD might be.

The old book sought to explain GOD very presumptuously.

And some people develop a love of old books.

Metaphorically pertinent.

Basically cause and effect.

But knowledge has not yet exceeded the necessity for floaty about blokes.

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You capitulated, under the weight of rational, logical common sense.

Nonetheless, as I see it we are all here to entertain each other.

Exactly.

Hey.  If  the USA could afford free action adventure holidays in Afghanistan for the past  20 years. Then it can also afford a few domestic free lunches.

Debt....What debt?

Debt fallacy.

What is open minded.

A baby might be open minded, but accessibility goes downhill from thereon.

And the assumption of entrenchedness generally comes from an entrenched position.

And you professor tale is very Faux. 

Which if true would only lead one to conclude, that said professor was the more open minded of the two protagonists, and that the student was the product of a very entrenched upbringing.....Certainly not a prerequisite of truth.

One assumes that adhering to measures has decreased the statistical probability of said simplicity.

Underplaying from a position of relative security is also simple.

No such thing as workable communism.

Just a philosophers pipe dream.

All systems are hierarchical and maintained by varying levels of force, based upon varying ideologies.

Yep I see the Faux now.

Who was the idiot that sent troops to Afghanistan in the first place.

Didn't they remember anything about the futility of invading Asia.

Jibberish is as jibberish does Mr E.

It has to be said

There was no greater exponent of jibberish, than President Orange.

And then there are certain Ark theories.

Eternal potentials for sure

But where is the door?

To the dance floor

Of eternal existence.

Because you are Right, or because you think that you are correct?

TDS?

And I didn't refer to myself as conservative.

I merely suggested that I had a mildly conservative mind set relative to conditioning....See how you typically misrepresented this comment?

So if you are desperate to attribute political labels....Then MODERATE would perhaps be applicable.

And tolerance is respect for others and their conditioned mind set.....Mr E for example.

And I certainly hope that you treat Mrs E with a little more respect than that.

Our exchanges are usually tit for tat goading, interspersed with comment relative to the thread.

We're as good or as bad as each other in that respect.

Nonetheless, in said thread....And relative to your uncertainty regarding when such a biblical flood might have occurred.

I made pertinent references to how the geological time line and that of human evolution were unlikely to coincide at a point whereby the Earth might be entirely covered with water.....That is to say, before the formation of the continents and certainly before the development of homo-sapiens and the development of most of the creatures we see today.

You are clearly cherry picking unrelatable bits of scientific evidence, in order to overcome the improbability of an indeterminate biblical flood.

Now...... A certain amount of responsive goading is expected....But try not to avoid the above pertinent questioning this time.

You seem to conflate religion and politics. Resulting in the assumption that all christians are conservative and all non-religious people are liberals.

Perhaps that is why the U.S. is apparently so divided.

So once more for the record....I am atheist, apolitical and eclectic....As defined by conditioning relative to age and location.

Which I suppose makes me liberal in terms of tolerance, yet underpinned with a mildly conservative mind set.

Sort of...As long as it doesn't impinge upon my lifestyle, then someone else's life choices don't bother me.

On the fence Mr E.

And give my regards to the lovely Mrs E.

HaHa.

You've cherry picked my previous post and dodged the important bits.

And your bias doesn't make you unable to differentiate?....LOL

I've no idea what that sentence is trying to tell me, or how it relates to the Udog's theory.

Perhaps it's cynicism or sarcasm or even genuinely meant to be metaphorical.

You will need to elaborate.

I would suggest that:

Concepts are the result of processed data.

As is the presumption of a false narrative.

As is all intellectual output.

You're going all slushy, you big softy.

Do you sing this one to the lovely Mrs E every morning.

Myself, I find the bible as profound as a currant bun.

Though hang on.

Currant buns are sometimes used as an analogy for the formation of the Universe.

Damn!

The medias primary responsibility is to their paymasters.

So consequently, and irrespective of accuracy, media is wholly subjective and never neutral.

Media "strives" to be plausible.

That's a tad woolly Mr E.....To say the least.

And throws up all sorts of implications and contradictions.

The Earths geology varies greatly relative to time.

But so does biological evolution.

You and your scientists need to be a good deal more specific.

At what point does the Earths geological development and biological/species development coincide to allow for such an event to be possible?

I would suggest that "science" easily disproves the possibility.

It's no good advocating the "science"  that agrees with your biblical commitments, but  then denying the science that doesn't agree. 

That just makes you appear to be "cherry picking".

Which is what you are doing. Mr E.

In so much as "absolute truths are eternally existent", is an intellectual concept and can therefore be recognised as such.

My limited understanding is:

Truth preceding a creation event is unattainable.

Not sure about morality.

Should just be a balanced judgement about risk, relative to age and  fitness.

I am 61 but very fit, and hesitated for about 6 months, in order to assess the risk of serious side effects.

There appeared to be no serious side effects, other than a blood clotting issue in a minority group, which was soon identified. 

Anti-Vaxxers are a certain type of person whose judgements have a tendency to be somewhat skewed in favour of the irrational.

I don't want a vaccine because the Government has a depopulation agenda, type of thing.

Or the liberal lefties smuggled in fake votes from Central America....Get my drift Ben?

True.

But you gave me plenty to work with.

Sometimes a bit of punctuation wouldn't go amiss.

And so presumably a lot of Afghan fighting paedophiles and uniform fetishists are blind in one eye.

And Mike was always down in a room with the obvious staff.

You just couldn't make it up.

Human social and physiological evolution in progress RM.

Over all life expectancy is still far better than it was 200 years ago, even if one is a fat lazy bastard.

Death relative to life choices should be regarded as a reasonable expectation.

Objective correctness is always a subjective opinion.

And  known facts are such that they rarely need qualification anyway.

And philosophy, religion and to a greater extent sociology are disciplines that rely upon subjective output....That is why they are perpetually argued without resolution.

And a "substantial argument" is such that it validates itself.

Within a FORUM discussion I rarely see any need to substantiate my subjectivity with another persons subjectivity.

I don't really need to be arguing this non-sense Mr E.

But it's entertaining.

So if the polar ice caps melted, the level of all available water on planet Earth would on rise by approx  60m above current sea levels.

That would be approx 8800m short of what would be needed to cover the entire Earth.

There just ain't enough water Mr E.

Floods occur due to temporary and rapid displacements of water and are usually localised.

Chiefly weather related, but sometimes seismic events and rarely geological shifts.

But not magical fountains Mr E.

Magical fountains are the stuff of myths legends and wild imagination.

So Noah entered the Ark at the age of 600, with a enough supplies on board to keep the biggest Zoo ever, going for over a year.

And in seven days it started to RAIN.

But if it makes you feel good Mr E.....That's good enough for me.

Does anyone actually know what the real truth is?

The nature of balance Mr E, is that the moderate centre eventually restablizes the chaos.

And the media today is just about selling sensationalism....There's no interest in the mundanity of day to day life.

People will believe what they want to believe.....And then they have to get up and go to work...Or the bathroom....Or the kitchen.

Or to bed.

Night Night Sleep Tight.

Don't let the Liberal Bugs Bite.

You're welcome Jane.

Diversity makes the World an interesting place.

Certainly not an English grammar forum, hey Poly?

What the above post might mean, is anyone's guess.

Such is material progress.

Things will be done because we learn how to do them.

And morality is sometimes unnecessary overthink.

Food for thought indeed, especially if one is not a pacifist vegan.

I consider my own personal source to be credible enough in a Forum conversation. Where one generally, only tends to proffer a personal opinion.

In a Forum conversation I only really deem it necessary to back up specific stats or attribute specific quotes.

If for example, one is simply exchanging philosophical, political or religious opinion, then sources tend to be nothing more than arbitrary and secondary opinion often relative to a bias.

You should have confidence in your own knowledge, which is already acquired from sources anyway.

That there was once two sides.

Recent history has  shown that there are still two sides.

Though not necessarily divided by latitude.

And F all to do with statues.

Must be nearly midnight.

5.45 here.

Nice.

Probably what I refer to as the GOD principle.

The purpose of which, is perhaps greater than the purpose of humanity.

Inorganic intelligence.......The ultimate state of material evolution.

The future is out there and we may not be along for the ride.

For sure,  comparisons are not that simple.

My point was, that people are still prepared to cross borders in search of any income.

Good morning America.