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That's the way it works Doc.

The mass by itself is useless and disorganised.

Organised social function requires hierarchical structure.

Ultimately an individual.

Alternatively keep shooting the Judge, until you get the one you want Doc.

Isn't "logical fallacies" a contradiction in terms.

A GOD might just be indifferent.

So which one then?

Or is it mix and match?

What is a miracle really?

Something either happens or it doesn't.

Obviously, fantasy miracle stuff, is just fantasy.

Though just like my friend Mr Ethan, I fail to fully grasp the multiple but incohesive elements of your question.

Obviously also, is the fact that biblical miracles don't happen nowadays because supposed biblical miracles happened 2000 years ago.

And presumably a miracle is a miracle....So only one type then really...Vis-a-vis a miracle.

So yes, it's all quite a weak point.

Quite right.

All popular religions.

LOL.

And for sure, most popular religions are rooted in some form of paganism.

Ha Ha...Mr Goad.

Shoving it down your throat for starters in a Gay marriage.

Otherwise known as foreplay.

I think that Lesbians just dive straight into the main course.

Is this really theoretical conservatism?

And a mile....That's one heck of a list.

I never quite understand if J is meant to be  a GOD or the son of a GOD.

I don't think that theists are certain.

And for sure, most popular religions are rooted in some form of paganism.

No!

Ocean's Razor.

Must be a different razor.

And a slightly different form of solipsism.

Nice.

The mirror jibe.

There was briefly, a Turkish gentleman who was keen on that jibe.

And left, middle, right....I'm a man for all seasons.

But keep religion out of politics.

Yep. I second the above Supa words.

Too much head in device.

And lose sight of external reality.

Take up a sport.

Focusing physical energy will alleviate device induced mental stress.

Debateart is excellent short burst mental exercising.

But don't over do it.

Very eloquent Mr Ram.

Beaten hands down there Trade.

GOD principle sound.

Floaty about bloke not so.......As ever.

And Trade it has to be said.

Your last two lines were an exasperation of irrelevant nonsense.

Harsh but true....Sorry.

HaHa...Goading no good Mr E.

Just an avoidance tactic.

Furthermore, I never chew gum.

As for my previous post.

No belief required.

Accepters without proof believe.

I merely point out the pitfalls of accepting without proof.

And as I pointed out 

You were taught to accept without proof.

And your only response was goading

With references to "looney leftists"

Whatever they might be.

Well, given your rhetoric, do you really understand the enormity of hate.

There's a huge difference between philosophical disagreements and hate.

Are you not just intolerant of an opposing point of view.

You accept without question, ideologies that cannot be proven, so it's only to be expected that such ideologies will be questioned.

There's a big difference between P and G.

But that was not the point of the contention.

That was what Theweakeredge made the point of their contention.

The contention arose from the proposition (in black and white)...LGBT topics in their HISTORY and sex education.

It is patently clear that in this thread, that Theweakeredge is only intent on legitimizing  themself, rather than discussing the issue of modern sex education relative to history.

I am older and do not feel as constrained by PC as younger others might do.

I am also H and so perhaps do not fell as socially constrained as others might still do.

Nonetheless:

P is obviously different to G.

Though P is Q

And as I remember quite clearly..... G was once Q. (History)

Fantastic.

An archaic creation hypothesis and ensuing myths and legends are understandable.

Though some people have exceeded such archaic understanding.

Some of those people also understand how and why, such archaic information is so easily perpetuated.

Not in truth, but in inheritance.

Sadly in terms of human understanding, you are tending  to call the kettle black Poly.

LOL.

LOL.

Boris is a person loyal to the establishment cause.

There is government and then there is the established hierarchy.

Do it yourself.

Is that what you're "just saying"?

Not sure about your last comment....Perhaps requires punctuation.

Otherwise, it reads as you admitting to being a deep bully.

Yeah but if you think about it, it's a pretty good idea in terms of material evolution and species development....(Post universal collapse and re-initiation.)

Not necessarily the GOD principle, but the GOD of life.

Well you're certainly baked in deistic illogic Mr E.

For example:

There's this floaty about bloke. (Oddly...Northern European in appearance, although originally from the Middle East)

And if your a good boy and say your prayers.

He will forgive you for your sins. ( Whatever a sin is)

And then you will go to heaven when you die. (Where ever that might be)

Depends upon whose astrological BS one listens too I suppose.

So much BS.

DebateArt is an entertainment for sure.

Not that my comments are not sincere.

And  I certainly  don't regard an online debate site as the appropriate location to exhibit the "important" aspects of my private life.

That would be shallow.

Coincidentally:

I just made the light hearted comment elsewhere, that GOD is a virus.

Are you suggesting that this might not be too far from the truth?

GOD is a virus then.

That's the religious argument sorted.

Reality is.

Then......Reality is everything else I suppose.

There is a differentiation to be made between a physical  universal reality, and the reality of internal data manipulation.

The latter is not necessarily representative of the former.

For example:

Just as theists create GODS in their minds......In my mind, I could create the Gas Giant Zarg that orbits the Sun between Mars and Jupiter.

Of course neither exists as a physical universal reality.

I like that.

In keeping with tradition the President should be the oldest person on Dart, and certainly not a confused teenager.

N.B. All teenagers are confused.....It's an uncontrollable hormonal thing.

When push comes to shove, an abortion is an abortion and a constitution is a pile of old paper.

Yep......It's all organic data processing.

Amazing when you come to process it.

That an amalgamated and stylized lump of independent organic goo can internally process data.

Did this occur by chance.... No GOD

Was this designed.....A GOD from somewhere.

Or was this and inevitable phase of an inevitable process.....A GOD principle.

I tend to run with the latter......No worship required.

All nonetheless, Creation Hypothesising.

Very true, upon reflection.

I suppose that theism is both bullshit and not bullshit, relative to the both the narrators and a recipients conditioned ideology.

Good point.

Thanks Mr E.

Something of an admission there.....You were probably tired.

Your specific personal GOD is wholly internal and therefore limited by your limitations....And sure this is a consequence of natural function.

But your internally limited assumption that an external GOD exists, is nonetheless based upon a belief in something not actually known to exist in nature.

Therefore your God is currently super-natural.

Methinks that Poly takes things a bit too seriously.

True.

The music industry, is what it is I suppose....Creating and selling a music based product.

Griff is a typical modern music product....Pretty Girl singing catchy lyrics, to a catchy studio produced sound....Promoted with a pseudo-meaningful video.

Old Prog Rockers  will fill venues night after night, simply because of their quality musicianship....I doubt very much that Griff will be doing the same in 30 or forty years time.

Well, they are good at talking bullshit.

And a whole load of fertilized eggs get pissed down the toilet.

And GOD gives a shit?....Metaphorically

LOL

@RatMan

Brits leading the World.

Quran 2: 216

But perhaps you hate a thing that is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing that is bad for you.

And Allah knows, while you know not.

Well if atheists are barred then they can't be in the theist pat on the back club can they?

I don't believe in anything bigger than that which is the biggest thing that it is possible to believe in without making it up.

Namely the Universe.

GOD principle accepted...But not a floaty about bloke.

But then the religious forum  becomes merely a pat on the back club.

Exactly Doc.

You cherry picked 1965.

And stereotyped only 3 ethnic variations of Americans that correspond with your inherited sensibilities.

Very interesting that you don't include Mexicans.....Whose ancestors have been dotting backwards and forwards across the imaginary border line for centuries.

And the Chinese who moved in long before 1965 to build the railroad. 

Etc etc etc.

Age causes Alzheimer's.

Old age is caused by vaccines and other medical interventions.

And vaccine methodology is 200 years old, so creating a new one is not rocket science for experts.

I think that in this instance, speed was regarded to be of the essence.

Stay safe.

Good thinking Batman.