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@ethang5
Data signals in.
Converted into internal imagery.
We are nonetheless confident, that our internal imagery is accurately representative of an external objects.
Goading aside.
My point is, that our understanding of an external reality is wholly self contained.
Once our internal processing unit is switched off, there is nothing.
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@ethang5
If nothing else, I admire your tenacity Mr E.
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@ethang5
The old water trick again Mr E.....You're keen on this one.
And all that Noah did was take his rowing boat and rescue his neighbours goats from a localized flood.
See how hand me hand me down tales can get exaggerated Mr E.
And for sure.... To flood the entire Earth there would have needed to have been enough water to exceed 8850m above normal sea level.
And as I pointed out to you previously Mr E.....During a localized flooding event, water certainly does appear to be "gushing" from the ground....It is a regular phenomena where I live.
And as you proposed elsewhere Mr E.....Imagination.
And yes..... Imagination + Exaggeration = Tall tales = The Bible.
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@sadolite
I want fucking Mount Rushmore fucking blown up.
Nice.
I love it when you're angry.
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@drlebronski
Subtract 2 from 10 and you get 7.
Is that what they teach you in the U.S.
You were joking, weren't you?
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@FLRW
The other option is that transhumanism/posthumanism might actually evolve.
Schizophrenia...Probably a hormone thing....Just keep taking the tablets.
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@Mesmer
Lots of words Mr Mes.
But very little source.
As you stated
In your opinion.
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@Mesmer
Or perhaps you suffer from SFD.
SOURCE FIXATION DISORDER.
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@ethang5
1. Well..... You always presume to know that I am a liberal.
2. I agree..... Imagination for sure... See 1.
Ergo imaginary GODS.
3. Creation for sure.....With a little bit of imagination, swap the ion for an or....Ta dah!.....An imaginary GOD.
4. Yep....Perception is.... Incoming data signals converted into imagery somewhere between Mr E's ears....You see her, you touch her, you smell her and you're confident in the image that you create.
Mr E thinks...Therefore both he and she are.....For sure....I have the same level of confidence too, in myself and the lovely Mrs Zed.
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@sadolite
Just as they came from Poland to the U.K.....To work for what previously was an unimaginable fortune (minimum wage).
They probably come from Mehico to the U.S. in their droves, to do the same.
Wealth is relative to expectation.
Thank goodness for "freaking moronic" Poles (and all other subsequent hard working migrants) is all that I can say. They keep all manner of British businesses going.
Certain freaking moronic lazy Brits would sooner sit on their arses all day, rather than lift a finger....OOOOOOOH RSI.
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@Mesmer
Species evolution.
Human to Trans-human to Post-human.
Organic to hybrid to alternative intelligence.
It's happening in plain sight.
To escape this Earthly prison, intelligence must evolve.
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@Intelligence_06
Ebuc is Ebuc.
They are an enigma.
I was once to my regret, somewhat disparaging.
Extract what you can from Ebuc's posts and therein lies rational, logical common sense......And sincerity.
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@ebuc
God/Universe are synonyms.
Yeah!!!!!
Rational logical common sense.
Try telling that to Mr E et al.
Taught as kids....They still think that God is an eternally existent magical floaty about bloke.
How's that for rational logical common sense?
LOL.
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@Intelligence_06
Uh... about that...
I've no idea what that means.
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@Mesmer
The real problem is.
You think that YOU produce the good arguments.
And that anyone who proposes a counterargument, therefore proposes a bad argument.
It's what's known as intolerance of any alternative point of view.
Under these circumstances, sourcing is completely irrelevant anyway.
You're forgetting that there are two sides to every argument.
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@janesix
Your strangeness is what defines you, and what we have come to appreciate.
Don't try to be different.
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@Mesmer
As I stated.
Everything has a source.
A source is a previously derived idea....Is a previously derived idea...Is a previously derived idea....And so on.
You are too bogged down in formality.
OK in debate, but not a necessity of the FORUM.
As if I have the time and the commitment to source every FORUM post I make.
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@ethang5
Engage the narcissist.
Lovely goading Mr E.
But I still fail to see what any of this has to do with politics.
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@ethang5
Yes Mr E.......But all the inner turmoil your imagination brings, in defence of the imaginary principles held therein.
Sleepless nights and Bro D.
Thank creation for the lovely Mrs E.
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@MonkeyKing
One can attribute potential to something known.
But something unknown or imaginary does not have real potential.
Science, religion and belief are all human potentials, relative to our ability to construct remember and record complex data sequences.
An imaginary deity cannot have true potential, only fictional potential.
The potential is in how you or I might manage such data and formulate a response.
So the potential of imaginary deities, manifests as religions and wars for example.
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@Dr.Franklin
I would suggest Doc.
That what you saw, was what YOU saw.
Truth in your eyes, but not truth in everyone's eyes.
Better described simply as.....How YOU see things.
I would further suggest that the actual "TRUTH" of the matter is indeterminate.
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@EtrnlVw
I DO NOT BELIEVE.
A FRED principle is that which MIGHT give purpose to everything.....Could be anything.
Everything MIGHT also be purposeless.
No one knows.
Just ideas Mr EtrnlVw, just ideas.
Brain held data, variously sequenced.
No theism no deism, just formulated ideas that come to mind every now and then.
Though none of the above to be confused with the separate and totally bewildering issue of creation.
So why do you find not believing so difficult?
P.S. As you are so fixated on the G deity, I thought it best to use FRED instead.
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@MonkeyKing
Firstly let's make it clear, that I have no BELIEF......Just acceptance of ideas.....All ideas....But I conclude that some ideas are more rational than others.
Religion is too young and creation is too old.....In a nutshell.
I am not exempt from future discovery.
Though there is always "potential" for anything or nothing.
"Potential" is a red herring.
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@Mesmer
Every argument can be sourced.
Point of view...Source.
It's a chicken and egg dilemma.
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Round and round and round it goes.
Where it ends no one knows.
Though, 5 stars for Cross Pacific consense
But for goodness sake.
Don't tell the French.
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@Mesmer
Ramshutu didn't make a substantial argument.
Ramshutu, invariably makes substantial arguments.
Argument is invariably about disagreement.
So a conditioned mind must learn to accept disagreement.
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@MonkeyKing
In terms of a beginning you would undoubtedly lack the same knowledge as I do....As every one else did or does.
Knowledge of a 2000 year old hypothesis is simply that.
Though as I stated, a 2000 year old hypothesis falls a few billion years short of the mark.
And Hyrum Smith was a product of his day and his particular environment.
And just like us, Hyrum didn't actually have a clue.
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@EtrnlVw
NO BELIEF.
I will run with any sensible idea....Input data...Assess and manage data....Perhaps come to a conclusion....Maybe not.
Current magic bloke, non-sense....Input data...Reassess and manage data...Probably come to a conclusion....Though maybe not, should new and sensible data ever be made available.
I find your current GOD ideas equally as humorous.
And belief and knowing are antonymous in my World.
And you and Mr E believe in reality....For sure....In so much as your realities, are you realities.
And mine is mine...And I can do little else other that accept that.
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@EtrnlVw
Nope.
As clearly stated elsewhere....I do not BELIEVE in fantasy tales.
I ACCEPT the principle of purpose....Which can be referred to as a GOD principle....Can be labelled as a FRED principle if you like....It's just that the label GOD is a well established one.
I also accept the idea of purposelessness.
In terms of universe, popular religion is a recent and typical stab in the dark (It was a magic bloke what did it)....Though in terms of knowledge, popular religion is an archaic and unscientific stab in the dark.(It was a magic bloke what did it).
So you believe in magic blokes.....No problem.....That's just your conditioned way of coping.
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@EtrnlVw
I ACCEPT the idea of a GOD principle.
I DO NOT BELIEVE in 2000 year old fantasy tales.
And Mr Ethan thinks...And so Mr Ethan temporarily presumes to be aware of an external reality.
And for the same reason MrEVw presumes to be aware of a GOD.
Dodgy word belief....Somewhat self-contradicting.
One can only believe what one can actually know....Though if one can actually know something then one doesn't need to believe.....Therefore one can only believe in something that cannot be known.
So believe actually disproves a known GOD.
Sorted.
And Goodnight America.
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@EtrnlVw
If one believes in a purposeful universe, then GOD can be all things to all things.
Stylized deities are but one option.
And the Christian GOD is but one of many stylized deities.
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@ethang5
Nope.
Awareness and reality is all between your ears Mr E.
No brain...Nothing....Zilch.
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@MonkeyKing
I have a conditioned database, just like everyone else.
So I assess and manage data input and output relative to pre-set parameters.
To me, attributing credibility to supernatural hypotheses has always seemed irrational.
And nothing has ever caused me to think differently.
Spirituality is an internal response to a perceived stimulus....Real enough within that context....But never exceeding that context.
And "GOD" is one of many internally constructed labels we attribute to such internal spiritual conclusions.
Our databases are limited by the unavailability of knowledge.....So any GOD based assumption can only ever be what it is.
In my conditioned opinion....A 2000 year old superhuman hypothesis, just falls a few billions of years short of the mark.
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@ethang5
There is your awareness, and there is reality.
Absolutely, perhaps probably true, maybe.
But your awareness of anything is only in the one place.
Between your ears Mr E.
And that's the only place your reality is too.
External reality is a perception based conclusion, all figured out internally.
And bugger all to do with politics.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Everything might be chance.
Chance or purpose are seemingly the two options.
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@ethang5
Reality does not reside between your ears.
Nice goad Mr E.
But if you think about it logically.
Between ones ears is the only place in the universe where one can presume to be aware of reality.
As ever....Data in...Data assessment and management....Data out.
Mr E thinks, therefore he probably is.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The only way to depopulate is to shift the birth to death ratio in favour death.
There are many ways to do this. Though two main strategies.
1. Long term population management.
2 Short term radical depopulation
If you are a Right Wing, conspiracy enthusiast you will probably favour the former, but no doubt assume the latter whatever.
The career woman strategy has been running successfully for several decades now in the West....It just needs to catch on globally.
Though, not sure if the Taliban will favour such radical change.
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@TheUnderdog
Our response to 9/11 was way overblown.
Well stated.
And our intellectual left wing lick arse Blair was certainly cringeworthy too.
But nonetheless, the Lefties and the Righties stood shoulder to shoulder.
And set off once again on a righteous crusade to the dark and despairing regions of Central Asia.
To teach those heathen Afghan goat herds and pomegranate farmers a lesson that they would never forget.
And once again those proud warriors, returned victorious.
Bathed in the glory of having achieved absolutely fuck all.
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@ethang5
It is irrational to assume God.
Well, at least you're being honest
And for sure.
Sci-fi and the supernatural have been entertaining readers and filmgoers for centuries.
And as if by magic.
A God appeared.
Or was it Mr Benn.
LOL.
Perhaps you were tired Mr E.
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@Dr.Franklin
That was something of a hate speech Doc.
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@TheUnderdog
I always thought that States were split up in to Counties.
Isn't it all about descending levels of responsibility and administration.
U.S.A or U.C.A.......Splitting hairs really.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Watching atheists tell people they have to believe every word if the Bible is fact to be Christian is hysterical.
Well Poly.
If that statement had been understandable.
Then it might have been understandable.
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@ethang5
So who "started" the floaty about bloke of your picture book bible Mr E.
I would suggest that your GOD also contradicts science.
Hey.......He's just been floating about for ever.
Sure thing Batman.
And where did he find the raw materials?
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@EtrnlVw
You said it.
Intelligent dialogue.
And belief.
True.
You believe
And I respond with intelligent dialogue.
Basic truth.
You are unable to know or explain how anything can exist.
Ooops.
It was a God what did it,
I forgot.
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@DeadFire27
You're 12 and yet you're a teenager.
You're from the UAE.
And you're a Questioning Christian.
Can this be true?
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@Ramshutu
There's a housing shortage because:
A. There are to many people.
B. Because housing is viewed as a capitalist asset rather than a human right.
Sad but true.....Some people can only expect to live in a cardboard box....And some people expect that some people must live in cardboard boxes.
Social hierarchy dictates.
And very few genuinely care.
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@DeadFire27
You joined this site as a participating human, wearing a tentative label.
So why should an amalgamated blob of matter go anywhere other that here, when it decomposes?
Data is the product of internal function, which ceases upon death.
To assume that acquired data/thoughts/spirit are residual, is just conditioned/wishful thinking.
At best, we pass on our "spirit" to our children.
And deities are make believe....Imaginative options rather than, real options.
Realism, not Atheism.
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@Polytheist-Witch
How do you know "he's" a he, when "he's" invisible?
A tad assumptive methinks.
In fact, how do you know it's anything at all?
Perhaps you just think that it is.
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@RationalMadman
You confuse sarcasm and cynicism.
To a greater extent, I was agreeing with your previous sentiments concerning privacy.
Though as I see it, if we embrace technological progress, then we must also embrace the inevitable consequences of technology.
As I stated....Privacy is now out of the window.
I was also extolling Arthur Blairs prophetic virtues.
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