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A major reduction in the human population would be good for the planet.

But not necessarily viewed as good by human participants.

Survival and procreation are primary drives and not easily suppressed.

For sure...That's the current approach, and therefore what currently defines pragmatism.

And the system that I conform with.

Though "incentive" is not necessarily  necessary.

But "incentive" is what defines natural hierarchy.

Fortunately I have a comfortable enough niche within that hierarchical system.

And I will hopefully be OK for another 20 years or so.

So I will continue to stick a few pounds into the charity box to assuage my conscience.

Not that I have a conscience that requires much assuaging.

Whose GOD/GODESS/GENDER NEUTRAL DEITY?

Which GOD/GODESS/GENDER NEUTRAL DEITY?

What GOD/GODESS/GENDER NEUTRAL DEITY?

GOD/GODESS/GENDER NEUTRAL DEITY in what format?

1. An eternal floaty about, supernatural bloke/woman/gender neutral, as mentioned in archaic legends.....Is just as much the impossibility of something from nothing as everything else is.

2. Alien ancestor/s....Alien ancestors are a possibility, but logistically unlikely....And are also, ultimately subject to the above limitations of 1.

3. Or simply, the principle that gives material evolution purpose.....I tend to loosely run with this option.....An ongoing sequence of events, though nonetheless still subject to the ultimate limitations of 1. and 2.

The fact is, no one is actually able to know or explain, how anything can exist.

(We are all constrained by what we have been to conditioned to think. relative to ongoing data input, but defined to a greater extent by formative data input).

And the opposite of something, is just as bewildering a thought.

And personal experiences are exactly that.....Self contained, data processed responses....One thinks, therefore one is.

So one thinks a GOD is, therefore a GOD is only a thought.

Exactly.

Unfortunately I'm as constrained by social convention as everyone else is.

I was simply pointing out that:

On the one hand we can presume to care about affordable housing.

Whilst on the other hand we are not really prepared to consider the  aspirations of all.

Natural hierarchy dictates....Perhaps out of a greater evolutionary necessity.

Just a hunch.

"Massive human death" is not a good thing for humans.

As we are all individually selfish.

For the same reason I do not oppose vaccines.

My honest opinion is that things will carry on in a similar fashion, until we reach a point of actual unsustainability, or until a natural disaster occurs.

The former is probably the more likely.

Though that is not to say that media inspired global re-education, does not have potential.

The obvious and undeniable  conclusion, is that things will happen as they do.

Though my experiences and input are very much time limited.

As are everyone's.

Privacy is out of the window RatMan.

Big Bro.

Arthur Blair.

For sure.

Brain implants coming to a store near you, soon.

Eternal destruction.

Yep, as I suggested.

But what if Allah gets here first?

Though I personally have always assumed that destruction was eternal.

So I won't be disappointed.

If we really cared about housing people, then housing would be free for all.

Similarly, if we cared about feeding people, then food would be free for all.

And the list could go on.

But that just ain't how people function.

People are instinctively selfish and slaves to money.

And now slaves to devices.

I wonder why?

I think that the word you were looking for was CYNICAL......Rather than IRONIC.

I think that Mesmer's CYNICAL button is still functioning OK.

Nope.

Can't see enforced sterilization working.

It will probably require some sort of catastrophic event.

Something that cannot be argued with.

Maybe climate catastrophe is a good thing.

Maybe a virus.

Maybe an asteroid

Maybe a nuclear war.

Super volcano.

You never know...Perhaps GOD will come back and  sort it all out.

Well.....Living standards is a multi-faceted issue.

Without going into great depth.....There's nothing wrong with maintaining certain living standards.

Reducing or removing certain unnecessary or burdening expectations, would perhaps be more beneficial. 

Though how do you begin to implement such radical social change?

Nigeria is certainly a National Region predominated by humans that exhibit a dark skin tone.

Though I'm not certain that Nigerians will find much encouragement in your ensuing rhetoric.

And I'm not certain that many Asians, Jews or Middle Easterners will be greatly encouraged by your propositions either.

I'm sure that "The World" will be fine.

It's the sustainability of humanity at current levels with current demands, that is the issue.

A major reduction in human population wouldn't be a bad thing.

That's illogical and fallacious.

People waste their own time.

I can't do it for them.

You're perhaps of the age where you weren't taught to care, never needed to care, and where you don't need to care.

Me too....But I do care.

Kids are taught to care now, so that's how people will evolve and process data in the future.

Trump is a remnant of the past.

Unfortunately, the U.S  still has lots of them, remnants of the past that is.

Well stated.

Well, definitively "fake"  means not the real thing.

And a copy is a reproduction of something.

A copy only becomes a fake if it is presented as the original.

So a valid copy is still a representative artefact and worthy of recognition.

Whereas, it is the intent behind fakery that is recognised as being unworthy.

Though that is not to say that the skill in producing a good fake, is not artistic and not worthy of recognition.

In the end it really all boils down to money.

Data in, data out Poly

You're confusing internal reality and external reality.

Imagination and what can actually be known.

Yep I know...It's the nature of the human beast.

We've evolved to rely upon concept rather than instinct.

Which might or might not be purposeful.

Though neither you nor I, actually know Poly.

Nonetheless, even from my non-deistic point of view.

GOD PRINCIPLE is still sound.......(Not to be confused with biblical floaty about blokes).

But floaty about goodies and baddies, not sound at all.

Ethereal, bearded, be-robed  Northern European Man with flowing locks of blond hair.....Or  Red Man with big horns... LOL.

It's the stuff of imagination and picture books Poly.

All down to variable data management, and ongoing and variable data transfer.

So you cannot explain in words greater than "Nope".

No problem.

Atheism addresses that which you do not want addressed.

If rational argument isn't your objective on a DEBATING website....Then ditch the technology and go hug a tree.

Though true.....Discussions that involve certain people, rapidly exceed the rational and inevitably descend into chaos.....Theists and atheists alike.

Nonetheless Poly.....Rather than just saying things like the "eternity of spirit".....Why not actually try and explain what it is you are saying?

The fact is that theism is full of meaningless and unexplained soundbites, such as "the eternity of spirit" and the "connection of spirit and god".

Atheists believe.

Something of a contradiction in terms Poly.

Theists believe......... In a GOD..... Therefore theists are more likely to believe in a GOD's antithesis.

Atheists do not accept that which cannot be known.....And so consequently, neither GODS nor their antitheses are accepted.

I'm sensible

Your sensible

All relative to acquired data.

Seriously, get a life.

And stop worrying about trivia.

One assumes that something that is logical, therefore isn't fallacious.

And so something that is fallacious won't be logical.

Can you explain why not in words greater than "Nope".

That's the way it works Doc.

The mass by itself is useless and disorganised.

Organised social function requires hierarchical structure.

Ultimately an individual.

Alternatively keep shooting the Judge, until you get the one you want Doc.

Isn't "logical fallacies" a contradiction in terms.

A GOD might just be indifferent.

So which one then?

Or is it mix and match?

What is a miracle really?

Something either happens or it doesn't.

Obviously, fantasy miracle stuff, is just fantasy.

Though just like my friend Mr Ethan, I fail to fully grasp the multiple but incohesive elements of your question.

Obviously also, is the fact that biblical miracles don't happen nowadays because supposed biblical miracles happened 2000 years ago.

And presumably a miracle is a miracle....So only one type then really...Vis-a-vis a miracle.

So yes, it's all quite a weak point.

Quite right.

All popular religions.

LOL.

And for sure, most popular religions are rooted in some form of paganism.

Ha Ha...Mr Goad.

Shoving it down your throat for starters in a Gay marriage.

Otherwise known as foreplay.

I think that Lesbians just dive straight into the main course.

Is this really theoretical conservatism?

And a mile....That's one heck of a list.

I never quite understand if J is meant to be  a GOD or the son of a GOD.

I don't think that theists are certain.

And for sure, most popular religions are rooted in some form of paganism.

No!

Ocean's Razor.

Must be a different razor.

And a slightly different form of solipsism.

Nice.

The mirror jibe.

There was briefly, a Turkish gentleman who was keen on that jibe.

And left, middle, right....I'm a man for all seasons.

But keep religion out of politics.

Yep. I second the above Supa words.

Too much head in device.

And lose sight of external reality.

Take up a sport.

Focusing physical energy will alleviate device induced mental stress.

Debateart is excellent short burst mental exercising.

But don't over do it.

Very eloquent Mr Ram.

Beaten hands down there Trade.

GOD principle sound.

Floaty about bloke not so.......As ever.

And Trade it has to be said.

Your last two lines were an exasperation of irrelevant nonsense.

Harsh but true....Sorry.

HaHa...Goading no good Mr E.

Just an avoidance tactic.

Furthermore, I never chew gum.

As for my previous post.

No belief required.

Accepters without proof believe.

I merely point out the pitfalls of accepting without proof.

And as I pointed out 

You were taught to accept without proof.

And your only response was goading

With references to "looney leftists"

Whatever they might be.

Well, given your rhetoric, do you really understand the enormity of hate.

There's a huge difference between philosophical disagreements and hate.

Are you not just intolerant of an opposing point of view.

You accept without question, ideologies that cannot be proven, so it's only to be expected that such ideologies will be questioned.

There's a big difference between P and G.

But that was not the point of the contention.

That was what Theweakeredge made the point of their contention.

The contention arose from the proposition (in black and white)...LGBT topics in their HISTORY and sex education.

It is patently clear that in this thread, that Theweakeredge is only intent on legitimizing  themself, rather than discussing the issue of modern sex education relative to history.

I am older and do not feel as constrained by PC as younger others might do.

I am also H and so perhaps do not fell as socially constrained as others might still do.

Nonetheless:

P is obviously different to G.

Though P is Q

And as I remember quite clearly..... G was once Q. (History)

Fantastic.

An archaic creation hypothesis and ensuing myths and legends are understandable.

Though some people have exceeded such archaic understanding.

Some of those people also understand how and why, such archaic information is so easily perpetuated.

Not in truth, but in inheritance.

Sadly in terms of human understanding, you are tending  to call the kettle black Poly.

LOL.

LOL.

Boris is a person loyal to the establishment cause.

There is government and then there is the established hierarchy.

Do it yourself.

Is that what you're "just saying"?

Not sure about your last comment....Perhaps requires punctuation.

Otherwise, it reads as you admitting to being a deep bully.

Yeah but if you think about it, it's a pretty good idea in terms of material evolution and species development....(Post universal collapse and re-initiation.)

Not necessarily the GOD principle, but the GOD of life.