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Sure is....What will you dress your salad with now.

Good question.

I know.

But did you see the poor woman he directed his comments at.

Pomegranates...Big business in Afghanistan Doc.

There might be a world shortage now.....What with climate change and the Taliban.

A "critical tenant".......Is someone that complains about the rent.

Notwithstanding that......Everyone is aware of perceivable differences and either does or doesn't discriminate....Therefore, race realism.

Though I would suggest that everyone will discriminate to a certain degree....Human nature.

Education and familiarity will increase tolerance and reduce discrimination....But it's a slow process.

I would suggest that people who refuse to wear a mask perhaps have cognitive issues.

Just saying.

A bit like that Trump bloke.....Remember him?....The one that drinks disinfectant.

Communism is for liberal dreamers, Intel.

What you mean is, workers have to work hard in a Totalitarian State.

And liberals would rather idle around talking about stuff, whilst others get on with the hard work.

Hard work makes liberals whine....That and the thought of some poor chap not getting the funding for their hormone therapy and penisectomy.

Who are "they"?

Though as it stands, the above "they" statement (#1) might be  quite logical from a "they" perspective, especially if "they" have Lefty tendencies.

Afghanistan was an ill thought out revenge thing, in response to the Twin Towers attack.

No lessons learned from history, and so doomed to fail.

Unfortunately the lick arse Brit government of the day, dragged us into the mess too.

And those tough brave boys went into Pakistan and killed that Saudi bloke.

You know......The one that was previously their best mate, when the Soviets were vainly attempting to subdue those tenacious Afghan bandits.

Here we are Osama, have a few rocket launchers and see if you can hit some commi bastards.

Politics hey?

Too much information is a general people problem.

Especially if the information is illogical and unnecessary.

Such is the necessity of illogical information though.

Or so it seems.

Sadly these days the answer is to sit in an office and poke a computer.

Actually getting up and doing something is not so popular anymore.

Don't blame me if you run out of pomegranates Doc.

Because that's when some MEN got together and created the story.

Currently the fullness of time is now....Back then it was then.

Christianity and other archaic creation hypotheses, typically teach a whole lot of nonsense.

Jesus and other  characters were perhaps based upon real PEOPLE.

Poverty could easily be resolved if the  Human World didn't run on a system of people management that depended upon wealth and  poverty.

The criteria for admission should be outrageously high.

Such as wearing a plaid shirt and a back to front baseball cap, with no serious consideration for gun control.

1 out of 3 for starters.....And they can soon be fixed up with a shirt and cap.

LOL.

Over here in the U.K.......We have the come on in boys and just do what the fuck you like approach......Seems to work OK.....No guns though.

Knives?....Well, we'll just have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

And what has a Sikh ever done to offend you?

Powerful influences within the U.S. are inextricably with Israel.

Who pulls who's strings has always been a subject of interest.

It's easy to scoff at Mr Wylted, simply because he is the kid in the playground who it's easy to poke fun at.

Interesting that you think it was a decision.

Are you suggesting that coral exhibits a high level of consciousness.

Plenty of room in the U.S.

Just not enough room inside your head.

Excuse me, we've caused an almighty fuck up in Afghanistan, so is it OK if  you sort out the problem for us..... As we don't actually like the look of Afghanis.

LOL.

And notwithstanding that Ebuc was actually referring to Nuclear Power Reactors.

A load of baloney Trade.

Easily rationalized.

Data management, putting an A before the T.

Apart from this there is no real difference between a theist and an atheist.

@RatMan

I stand corrected.

True.

Borders do not necessarily prohibited cultural and tribal allegiances

Pakistan is probably the conduit for Taliban success, but I expect that the flow of assistance is much more widespread.

The USA was once as complicit in supporting the Taliban as whosoever might be now.

Well stated.

@RatMan

"Incel subculture" is an inevitable consequence of mainstream social and cultural evolution.

A pre-programmed entity will need to channel it's energy in some direction, if it feels prohibited from functioning as intended.

Population management is perhaps the ultimate solution, though I don't see that happening any time soon.

So we will just have to learn to cope with the "incel-subculture" that we are creating.

You have a need for a conscious involvement in all things...Which is understandable.

All that a universe requires is the building blocks of evolution and the physical laws that bind them.

Setting things in motion is enough to ensure the outcome.

And GOD will become a conscious intelligence awareness.

Just as other conscious intelligences that precede GOD, will inevitably evolve, from the sequence of events set in motion by GOD.

Therefore it is a continuum.

Spirituality is seemingly  an inevitable biproduct of organic intelligence, and as necessary or unnecessary as one cares to presume.

If spirituality is that which motivates, then I will assume that it is necessary.

Future intelligence might only require pure logic.....Who knows?

So:

The creation of one universe is the re-initiation of the previous universe.

Re-initiation requires a GOD principle. Which will be generated by previous intelligence/s.

Therefore we, and what may follow us in terms of alternative intelligence and  GOD principle, will eventually bring about the re-initiation of the next universe.

And so the process (evolution of matter) will start all over again.....New life, new intelligence new GOD principle....New religion I expect.

Not sure what sort of ist this makes me.

A Theorist maybe.

Maybe remnants of the old GOD survives the collapse and re-initiation of the old and new universes.....That's as spiritual as I get.

Yes.

But Afghanistan is tribal and feudal.

So I doubt that the Taliban will be able to bring any sort of stability to the region.

Who's going to start arming the Northern Warlords and their acolytes?

Based upon the idea that GOD is essentially knowledge ,or if you like, ultimate knowledge....Rather than an entity.

I propose that GOD was previously achieved, and will again be achieved sometime in the future.

We, are somewhere betwixt GODS, and an essential part of the process of accumulating knowledge.

I also propose that  Alternative Intelligence will also play a part.

Mythical tales, supernatural beliefs and worship are perhaps an inevitable part of the human process, and so consequently also an essential part of the GOD process. Though the GOD that was and the GOD that we a striving towards would have no regard for such things.

Hello Trade.

I assume that function requires matter.

So as real as thought can be.

I have always promoted the GOD principle.

Black Hole too.

In my opinion:

GOD is the product of the human computer.

Whether or not a thought  is tangible, I could not say..... Though one would assume that the process is....Neurons and synapses and all that.

So I doubt that a GOD is a floaty about bloke in the traditional sense.

Though it could be described as a floaty about thing in a neural sense.

Afghanistan was an illogical knee jerk reaction to the Twin Towers attack, which really had nothing to do with Afghanistan in the first place.

A stupid fiasco of the USA's and (shamefully) it's Allies own making.

Nothing whatsoever taken on board from the previous Russian debacle, or the USA's previous failed attempts to meddle in Asian affairs.

And who arms the Taliban and who previously armed the Taliban?.......D'oh.

All that Afghanistan has "fallen" from, is from one chaos into another.

And Western and Eastern Super-Powers will retire to their own ideological corners, and posture..... Whilst a nation of Third World Tribal  Bandits sort things out in their own traditionally fanatical way.

It was always going to happen.

Did history teach us nothing?

Or were we just not paying attention?

To re-educate humanity , thereby eradicating all human flaws.  Thus a new sustainable, atheist, logically monocultural, forward thinking  perfect species.

I too always consider what I injest....Food and medication.

And I always consider who or where I get my information from.

Was that a cry for help Doc.

What "sucks"  for one person Doc, doesn't necessarily suck for another.

Libertarianism, socialism, authoritarianism, egalitarianism, leftism, rightism....You can stick an ism on the end of anything, and it will "suck" for someone.

Anythingism....That sucks.

@RatMan.

Dodgy history Ratty.

P.R.C.  (Previously R.C.) is a relatively young nation......Much younger than the U.S. in fact.

Blaming everything on "China" is a perhaps a tad hypocritical. 

It might be argued that industrialization started in the iron age....Or perhaps even before that.

It might therefore also be argued that human influenced climate change was an evolutionary inevitability.

Maybe your in denial Doc.

Nope

I don't understand you objective either.

Three capitalized, contradictory statements.

A sci-fi film

And a young chap with a weak beard.

Though I would assume that evolution necessitates, that one day control must be ceded to AI.

To assume that humanity is and always will be at the top of the intellectual tree, is perhaps unrealistic.

That we now have these conversations, might indicative of the future.

And why would AI need paperclips.....Or Paper for that matter. 

For sure, Donald learnt a lesson and got off lightly.

And the only reason that the majority of the population can expect to exceed 40 years of age, is thanks to clever people (scientists) and their inventions.

I doubt that many people would be hesitant about ingesting an antibiotic for example.

Or do the anti-vax, conspiracy theorists still consider Alexander Fleming to be one of the shadowy untrustworthy elite?

I would suggest that it is more a case of risk assessment.

Vaccination is already proven to not be 100% safe.

  

I chose to vaccinate....Assessing that the risk  to me from covid infection was far greater than the risk from covid vaccination.

Hesitancy is uncertainty.

And anti-vax , is no more than one would  expect of certain people.

And let's be honest, anti-vax in the U.S is largely a left and right issue.....A  gullible public inspired by the charismatic's desire for wealth and power.

Trumpism and Trumpeteers as you might refer to it Mr Ebuc.

Everything that you have posted in this thread is resultant of you, and how you personally choose to process and attribute importance to specific data.

Otherwise, why should anyone take you seriously?

This is DEBATEart and not YOUMUSTAGREEWITHMESMERart.

I would suggest that debate requires a certain level of disagreement to make it worthwhile.

And is your argument not based upon personal feelings?

1. Race is a word variously defined....As is white....Such is data management.

One race as dictated by it's unrestricted propensity to procreate, and consequently produce skin tone variation.

Or a hundred metres dash...Though currently darker competitors reign supreme.... Such can we taxonomically differentiate.

2. And I find "white supremacist" just as inoffensive as I find nigger.

Because offence is a deliberate data processing exercise, that I do not subscribe to, as I see no value in it.

Others choose to process differently

"White supremacist" is simply the counter -offence promoted by those such as yourself that see value in promoting a counter-offence.

Most people wouldn't give such things a second thought  if left unbothered.

@RatMan

Science is.....Read your dictionary.

Skepticism is.....Read your dictionary.

Optimism is perhaps the essence of scientific thinking.

And "Flat Earth" is backward thinking conspiracy theory..... As is "top secret lab".

Secure lab maybe.....As one would expect.

1. Culture is such that all becomes cultural.

Discrimination is cultural.

2. I got there

Because it currently isn't

3. And you are discriminating on the basis of thread identity.

Actually, well stated.

Though with rhetorical decadence.

You will be blocked.

Oops...You already are.

Well, I suppose that whatever the outcome.....Ultimately, all will be "realistic".

Well taxonomically one can discriminate in all sorts of ways.

And just like everything cultural, taxonomic discrimination is no more or less a data management exercise.

What we do is the inevitability because of what we are.

And currently "White supremacist" doesn't have the same social significance as "n*gger".

Such is the ongoing development of data.

Just replacing that awful "i" with an asterisk.....Makes all the difference in terms of en vogue data management.

So call me wh*tey.....And all will be good.

What, if at all, is the purpose of everything, is the question that underlies all such considerations for me.

Does material evolution have a goal, and what will be the extent of human involvement therein.

Most humans get so wrapped up in themselves, and loose sight of the bigger picture unfolding before them.

To that end I would suggest, that already a large proportion of humanity is already redundant.

Knowledge and intellect and the application thereof is and will be key, and most are/will be sadly lacking.

The innovators will innovate.

And the rest will will bow to a device, worry about trivialities such as  sexuality and skin tone, and scratch for food.

The future is perhaps somewhere else and very few will get there....And the rest will be left behind to fight it out.

Can you foresee a utopian alternative?