zedvictor4

Yep.

That's what happened back in the day.

People thought and cared differently.

Some still do.

Is the Republican Party really about vision?

Or is the Republican Party about looking backwards?

True.

Everywhere was where it always had been.

There was nothing to discover.

One World.

Everyone is indigenous.

Yeah but in striving to be so unwoke, you are undeniably woke.

And what about the other issues I raised.

Did you try and avoid those?

If humans were less selfish, then there would be less humans.

Incorrect.

Intergenerational wealth as you refer to it, is just a small part of the global system of hierarchy.

You're too hung up on money and wealth in isolated situations, and not seeing the bigger global social picture.

Give some people a million dollars and they will blow it in a year.

Give someone ten dollars and they will make a million.

Ability creates wealth, creates hierarchy, creates social structure, which facilitates social function and progress.

Very Very Old.

So Trump is going to retire gracefully to his Scottish Golf Course?

And you agree that the election wasn't rigged?

Or are you just hung upon wokeness?

As I stated elsewhere....For someone that claims to be unwoke.....You are about the wokest  person on Dart.....Because you do keep harping on about it.

The  trouble is, we keep producing unnecessary people, who all expect to live for ever.

The planet's problem is too many selfish human beings.....Not methane.

Money is what regulates the system, and therefore makes the system function.

Natural hierarchy dictates a persons place within the system and consequently their access to money.

Naturally acquired ability dictates social hierarchy.

It's what makes things progress.

Very few people starve and very few people own super yachts.

And some people worry about these things from the security of their niche, because they can.

But they are unlikely to change the system.

Because by the time they get to worrying age, it's usually too late to change.

Nice jibe.

So I accept any idea as a possibility.......Can you say that you do?

Even your GOD idea is a possibility.

But absolute acceptance of a single but unprovable idea, is undoubtedly one track.

"Why" isn't everyone a billionaire?

Trouble is...Theists promote a Godly universal cause and then dismiss the need for a cause of GOD.

Therefore, if we apply theistic rationale....Then the Universe doesn't need a cause.

Either the beginning was caused or it wasn't.....Same applies to both Universe and GOD.

I whole heartedly agree.

Ah...But don't they?

Alternative output maybe.....But clearly relative to an established input.

A Bible itself is just a varied edition of an old story book.

In reality there's no such thing as communism or a socialist state.

Communism and socialism are the philosophical dreams of careless intellectuals.

All systems are based upon natural hierarchy.

Though control methodology may vary.

Your two main choices are reasonably liberal democracy or oppressive dictatorship.

Though in both cases, those at the top dictate, those at the bottom do the donkey work, and those in between fall into line.

We could actually do everything at no cost.

But social structure dictates cost, and cost maintains social structure.

Same the World over.

Don't be deluded by socialist dreamers.

The whole picture is much much bigger than a few fat numpties and their dining habits.

There it is too.

Woke is as woke does.

It has to be said, that your preoccupation with wokeness, makes you the wokest person in this conversation.

And when the swarthy dark haired saviour steps out of the spaceship talking Hebrew, how are you going to react?

Do most woke unwoke Americans think that his first words will be howdy y'all?

Oh well, it will make for interesting viewing.

For sure....One doesn't doubt those sort of tales exist.

Not forgetting who "discovered" modern America.

And how various Middle Eastern data, modified and spread East and West.

And indigenes...I suppose you mean those that predated European settlers.

One wouldn't expect that Middle Eastern migration had affected them.

People will try any old shit when they are desperate.

I tend to go for the stay away from crowds of idiots,  and a mask approach.

Oh and a specific Covid Vax  x2...... Soon to be x3. (Perhaps a benefit of living where I do...Though some Conspiracy Theorists will surely disagree).

And if I ever get worms I'll perhaps give Ivermectin a go.

(Conspiracy Theorists....Covid Vax bad....Ivermectin good...There's logic for you).

Though I tend to steer clear of parasite infested food. (Perhaps also, a benefit of living where I do).

All very Faux.

He disappears and 949havoc appears

Do you live in a bunker somewhere in California?

Though that extra comma.

I admire your brevity.

The trouble with the Van thing was:

He represented something that appealed to a certain audience. But the phenomena wasn't actually accompanied with good vocals.

Van was a bit like buying a super trendy looking car, but with an elastic band under the hood.

The fact of the matter was:

Separate the mysticism from the sound, and you were and your left with a hideous noise.

Sorry Van fans.

Do you think that HE will be keen to visit the U.S?

There's no suggestion that HE ever did previously.

HE was very much a Middle Eastern type guy. 

Probably will feel more at home with swarthy hirsute xenophobic types.

Rather than with light skinned xenophobic types.

HE might actually prefer the Islamic thing.

Rather than the plaid shirts, baseball caps and cheap beer thing.

Just saying.

I toured the U.S. a few years back and as was encouraged to find that most Americans are pretty down to earth ordinary people.

And that's why the Mad Orange Guy, lost to the Too Old Guy.

The lesser of two evils as it were.

Because the down to earth ordinary people, realised that the Old Orange Guy was Mad.

Trouble is, it only takes a few more gullible mad  xenophobic zealots to cause mayhem.

Same the World over.

And in Afghanistan Muslims are suicide bombing mosques.

Fuck me...People are sure intelligent.

I think that for older people "spam" always induces a certain nostalgic comedy.

I'm paraphrasing here

But psycho-analytically speaking......If one can say that one is nutty......Then one isn't really nutty.

Real nutcases are unaware.

Your alternative output is simply relative to your alternative input. (Same basis for the theism atheism debate)

Sometimes alternative...But not nutty.

Roger that Deb.

All clear in the U.K. too.

Though:

One assumes that the Bethlehem sector will be point of first contact.

Any news Israel?

I think that he's on his way.

Noooo.....Just another missile from Gaza.

Oy Vey.

Over.

Nothing.

Let them stuff their faces until they explode.

Apart from the relatively few with genuine mental health issues.

I've no time for lazy whinging fatties who continually blame everything else for their own stupidity, and won't take responsibility for their own actions.

What say you Doc?

If people do not say what you want them to say, and then you respond with:

Really exemplifies the limits of one track theism.

OK.

I see what you mean.

No more fucking about in Afghanistan.

Maybe go  fuck about in Taiwan now.

And he got rid of the mad old orange guy.

You should all be grateful for that.

Though from our perspective.

Old Biden's nowhere near as entertaining as the mad old orange guy.

And then there was the other mad old guy.

The one with the dyed black hair in a parking lot somewhere.

You sure do pick them.

Administration of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sounds like the same old shit to me.

Always someone that thinks they know better than you.

Do they have clipboards and point a lot.

And are there lots of forms to fill in.

Fruit pie...Yum Yum.

But I honestly didn't get the message.

It could be said that consciousness is what occurs within, but separate from the brain.

Which might imply that consciousness could perhaps exceed the mass.

That is not to overlook the process that generates consciousness...... And it's associated energy requirements.

A grey area maybe.

Debt is an ongoing assumption.

Relative to humanity always wanting more than it can supposedly not afford.

Republican and Democrat are simply two assumed labels that make absolutely no difference to the ongoing necessity of the debt system.

Buy now, pay later, is how it works.

For sure, invisibility is only relative to an observer.

Though it was FLRW that proposed that at an atomic level, there is such a thing as unoccupied space.

Though also, the availability of unoccupied space is obviously relative to scale.

So, what is the status of all space between?

What is it that you strongly disagree with?

I was agreeing with the general consensus concerning BigPimpDaddy's true identity.

Based upon comparing their youthful rhetoric against their claimed DOB.

The President thing should have been seen as an obvious side swipe at the outgone Orange Guy.

So why are you miffed?

Well.....

We do have a standard perceivable model, which sort of demonstrates both energy and matter.

And though potential energy and material potential, is the big issue that continually perplexes us.

We certainly have never reached a standard agreement concerning the existence of something, or the possibility of nothing.

Perhaps we still await a novel answer.

Yep. But what is shown and demonstrated?....Might make all the difference to what might "ensue".

And there's a big difference between fact and belief.

Belief in a specific elaborated GOD, is acceptance without proof......Whereas fact is certain knowledge.

And it's all well and good jibing with criticisms, such as "not a creative individual" and "bleak and emotionless package".

But that really is just hollow jibing, from someone who cannot actually substantiate the fanciful products of  their own "creative" imagination.

"So what would ensue if."

If A GOD (not necessarily the GOD of your imagination) were to exist, why do you presume that things would instantly change, other than the slight modification of my stored data, to include a certain fact.

I'm not suddenly going to start singing and dancing and shouting hallelujah....Unless this revealed GOD, forcefully  demands it.

And that would obviously depend upon it's "shown and demonstrated" demands and reprisals.

But why, after all this time would it start forcefully demanding things of us?

I would suggest that force and reprisal are the "shown and demonstrated" output of human zealots, and not that of an omni-sensible GOD.

The trouble with your hypothesis is that it exists inside your head, just like your specific interpretation of a GOD principle.

Inside my head, I possess enough packaged creativity to accept the idea of a GOD principle, but I also possess plenty of  common sense, that tells me that 2000 year old folk tales are unlikely to be anything other than a metaphor for a notional GOD principle.

Both are seemingly truisms.

Do you understand these economics soundbites.

Or did you just think that they were sort of cool.

Because people are taught to be stupid.

Probably having trouble with the spaceship.

Anything's possible.

But mostly unlikely.

And "fuck up" is a subjective comparison relative to a subjective expectation.

And the organic fluff that coats this microscopic bit of universal dust.......Means what actually?

And where's GOD got to?.....Old Mr OMNISENSIBLE.

Yep.

Star making's a doddle.

I'm just curious as to the source of the raw materials.

Does it get a mention in that highly authoritative book?

The one written a few hundred years ago.

And based upon old Middle Eastern folk tales.

You know the sort of highly believable, authoritative stuff.

Like a 500 year old guy, that took a hundred years to build a giant wooden zoo boat.

Presumably all the animals of the world were beamed aboard Scottie.

Now that's a novelty.

Why didn't MAN GOD just click his fingers, like he did when he made stars.

D'oh......MAN GOD OMNINOTTHINKINGSTRAIGHT.

A 67 year old with the mentality and rhetoric of a 15 year old.

You should stand for President.

Definitely a miffed kid.

Life is Chemistry.

Even if it was a GOD what did it.

And if it was a GOD what did it.....Then free will's straight out of the window.....Cause and effect and all that stuff. 

As for buses, flower power and acid heading.......You've lost me there.

Mind you........I'm convinced Abraham was off his head......Altitude sickness perhaps..... But more than likely, some popular Middle Eastern Shamanic abuse substance.

Hey Man...Give me a chizel and I'll just jot that down.