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I'm in both camps.

I believe nothing, but run with the idea of creation and subsequent evolution, to and endpoint, whereby a GOD principle is achieved and the universal sequence of events is re-initiated.

So.....Creation - Evolution - God Principle is achieved - Universal Decline - Re-initiation of the sequence.

And 2000 year old tales are just that, but nonetheless propose a  GOD principle.... As do all creation hypotheses, unsurprisingly.

Q. Did GOD create us, or do we create GOD?

A. Both.

Well.

I would call that undiplomatic.

Though, Mexico does have a poor women's rights record.

The simple truth was, Trump was not qualified to do the Job.

Don't you just hate games that are decided by dodgy penalty decisions.

120 mins of intense effort and all decided by a free shot at goal......I also dislike penalty shoot outs, for the same reason.....You might as well just have a penalty kicking contest.

Sociological cause and effect for sure.

And "The Bronze Age Collapse" is a ridiculous  statement if one considers it in the context of sociological cause and effect.

The cause of sociological cause and effect is the development of knowledge, as it still is.

Sociological cause and effect, is why we now use complex electronics and computing and reside in centrally heated houses, rather than bronze axes, mud huts and a fire.

A GOD principal is sound, though some religious traditionalists variously apply whimsicality to their chosen version.

The GOD principal, is creation and effect and perhaps an end result.....Not a ridiculous floaty about bloke that fucks virgins and nails his kid to a cross.

The British are the dispersed tribes from all over the place...As are Americans......And also as Jews have become.

A Jew is defined by ideological and historical beliefs.

Dick mutilation is the badge of honour.

And dress sense is variable.....Traditionalists like black outfits with a natty hat and a large beard.

Large beards and tattoos are currently in vogue in Britain at the moment....Though British tradition is a fluid thing.

Trad Muslims also go for large beards and dick mutilation, which is not surprising considering their shared Middle Eastern heritage.

Though they diverged somewhat on the outfit and head fashion, preferring the desert look.

People are curios things

They did and do all sorts of stuff.

Ah.

So no ideals available now.

Just a them and me scenario.

Well it's difficult to say, without a fairly well detailed plan of the hypothetical enclosure.

One cannot come up with a strategy, without knowing the available options.

I.Q. or the lack of might also be a factor.

So white/orange supremacists and people with a low I.Q.

That just about covers it, I guess.

Ah.

So what would I ideally do.

Ideally, I would stun the lions with my lion stunner app.

Reparations means cash....That's what it's all about.

That's why certain people have to keep harping on about Black slavery and nasty  White Men.

I got an education and made a living by working at it.

Not by sitting on my arse expecting someone else to do it for me.

Yes it is.

Wiki is the best online quick research tool.

Positive energy is good, regardless of how it might be achieved.

 

In terms of human development.

Sort of states the obvious really.

Things happened as they did and not as they didn't.

Reading something else into it, long after the event, passes the time of day I suppose.

The alternative to development and progress is stasis, and this tends not to happen.

If anything, the development and application of knowledge has been increasing exponentially over the last 2000 years.

The "Axial Age" is just one phase thereof, as was the industrial revolution, and as is the current technological revolution.

A few hundred years from now an Alternative Intelligence might well be pondering over the same information.

I wonder if A.I. will invent their own GODS in their own image.

Just as we did.

How do people find the time to protest.

Presumably they have nothing better to do.

Though I suppose that's logical, however one chooses to look at it.

Illegal is as illegal does.

One World one home.

And how one survives is dictated by ones own abilities.

And if we really cared we would.

Nope...... We are inherently selfish and consequently, selectively moral.

So pick up your pizza, drive on past the scruffy man in the box, and be content with yourself.

And don't forget to put your loose change into the charity tin.

A name is something allocated to something for a reason.

In this instance, location, familiarity and shared information.

Anglo Saxon Celts burst and Israel disappeared....Nope...Things just changed and developed.

And don't forget the bigger World picture.....There was a whole lot going on elsewhere.

We tend to concentrate on the stuff relative to ourselves.

And ritual genital mutilation is just one of the many bizarre things that people get up to.

Material evolution is ongoing and progress is self demonstrable.

The point of material evolution, if there is a point, can only be guessed at.

People tend to get bogged down in Darwinism and overlook the bigger picture....Just as people tend to get bogged down in religion and avoid the bigger picture.

Perhaps getting bogged down is necessary.

Creation and and an evolutionary sequence, has dictated that  both religion and science are necessary to the process of understanding and development.

I would refer to this as a GOD principle.

My guess is that it's all happened before.

And if everything goes as it should, then it will all happen again.

Worship not actually required....But everything plays it's part.....Maybe.

Jibe.

@RatMan

Hmmmmm.

Attitude.

Point taken.

Exactly.

Cherry picking the juicy bits of history.

Just as you cherry picked one line from my previous post.

Sound science then Jane.

UFO's is UFO's.

And technological objects from outer space, currently aren't.

It does seem odd to suggest, that a technologically advanced civilisation came once and didn't bother to come again.

And similarly, why would they have hidden underwater or at the North Pole.

Also a bit of fanciful imagination me thinks.....And there's nothing wrong with that.

The Roman Empire was perhaps the most influential in terms of human social development.

And the U.S.  has undoubtedly,  been greatly influenced by post colonial Romanism.

And the British Empire, like it or not....Was quite an amazing feat of global human management.

We've still got little bits of real estate, dotted about here and there.

Hong Kong was never going to last though.

Alexander also had a good bash....But had a tendency to go East and peaked too early.

My Goddess has a Vagina.

What's new?

The proposition is devoid of reason.

Nonetheless:  If either could do it, I would chose either.

Though two pairs of hands might be better than one.

@RatMan

LOL.

Everyone is as low as fuck on your list.

You do come out with some cracking stuff.

Biden, or Ciden as you sometimes refer to him. Is no doubt, unavoidably programmed with a certain amount of discriminatory data.....As are we all.

How one manages said data, especially in a Presidential role is what is important.

"Racist" is just another reference to the good ole, us and them thing.....Whether it be Democrat, Republican or Black, White or English, Scottish etc etc etc.

@RatMan

If only you could block and move on.

Go give Raggy a hug....And tell him that Uncle Zed is sorry for pointing out his glaring contradiction, and causing him so much anxiety.

I promise not to mention it again.

Raggy, Ratty, and the big contradiction. (Featuring the nasty Uncle Zed)

Could be the woke sequel to The Wind in the Willows.

And Ratty.....You do always have the option of ignoring me.

And you Raggy.

Give it a go.....Ignorance is bliss....Or so it is said.

HaHa.

Ethanesque jibing changes nothing.

Is that because you are not Chinese?

@RatMan.

Apart from how British social structure is organised..

And how political parties, which are basically short term administrative bodies, fit into the system.

Did you ever see the satirical T.V. comedy Yes Minister.

Equal fantasy for sure.

And lightning recently killed a ten year old boy out playing football......Sinful little bastard.

Nighty Night Mr A.

Assuming that you are referring to/cherry picking  the Trans-Atlantic  "Slave Trade" of the 15th - 19th centuries.

Then No.

Because all the slaves will be dead.

Some people prefer to overlook the fact that Africans enslaved each other long before the Spanish and others took over the business and made it global.

When and where would the reparations ever end?

It's all just another poor black man nasty white man, give us some money thing.

@RatMan

The Conservatives are the party of the  social movers and shakers.

Labour are currently unsure of who they represent, and the wannabee masses aren't sure if they wannabee Labour any more. Most people aspire to moving and shaking these days.

And the Lib Dems wannabee all things to all genders.

And the  movers and shakers are headed by the elite movers and shakers, who are in turn headed by the Aristocracy and the Monarchy.

And "Whitehall" is the real centre of British power.

And of course, the masses are never happy with the Party in government, because nothing really changes.

Same old shit Eugene.

Yes. Capitalism.

Hierarchical supply and demand.

Doesn't matter how it is dressed up.

And free from what?

Death is freedom from life.... Or more so, freedom from the stresses of consciousness.

This was  Doc Franklins independent and singular assessment, so therefore not contradictory and  not a paraphrase.

Is an emphatic statement. 

Therefore a following statement that proposes that wikipedia is a decent place to go, undeniably contradicts the previous statement.

#2 is the post in question.

And bravo your loyal supporters....But they are just loyally supporting you....And loyal support cannot change the aforementioned contradiction.

The End.

Tautology describes as tautology does.....Quite adequately in this instance.

But for those that require clarification.

One can only know something, if one can...That is to say, if one possesses the ability to know.

Similarly, if one lacks the ability to know, then one won't know.

A fact is a human construct, not the subject of the construct.

Some good answers.

I think that is what Ragnar probably wishes they had said.

But it wasn't actually what they said....Far from it.

As Ragnar well knows.

An assumed GOD, fucked a virgin without her consent and got her pregnant....Rape in human terms.

Would that constitute perfectionism?

And would Mary's sin?

And would the bastard Jesus?

Please do not tell me that you're denying responsibility for the overt contradictions of #2.

Is the Pope a reliable Catholic. 

No he is not.

He is however a decent Catholic to go to for preliminary research into Catholicism, to then use as a reliable preliminary source of Catholicism, which he draws form a reliable source.

LOL.  If the decent preliminary source isn't reliable, then the reliable source is also unlikely to be reliable.

That you cannot understand that yes and no to the same question is contradictory, is troubling.

Nonetheless.

A hotdog is still a hotdog and not a sausage sandwich.

It's all about an established idea and the perception and recognition thereof.

I have just instigated a philosophical forum on the subject of perfection.

Which is wrong?

Multiple spouses.

or multiple sex partners.

One is concept based.

One is reality based.

Right and wrong are also concept based.

Discuss.

Actually, that would be a good question to put forward..

Is anything perfect?

I think that James Buchanan was the only bachelor.

Lincoln was definitely married.

@RatMan

What is a toxic person?

And convincing people that are already convinced/conditioned, is extremely difficult.

Though changing peoples minds isn't the purpose of debate.

Debating is a competition of intellects.

The forum is the place to promote ideas.

Q.  What is the difference between sliced bread and unsliced bread?

A. The same as the difference between a sliced bread roll and an unsliced bread roll.

The shape of the bread is as relevant or irrelevant as you care to consider.

Though I would suggest, that the conceptual difference between a hotdog and a sausage sandwich is perceivably obvious. But not worth getting hung up about.

Though if the bread roll wasn't sliced where would you put the sausage?