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In all honesty Doc, I'm generally  not a particularly serious person.

Though I believe that I can be sensible when circumstances necessitate.

Well.

Species and individual survival are what is driven instinctively......But of course, we embellish with concept driven add-ons.

Mr Badger is just conceptually embellishing what he is sub-consciously being instructed to do.

True abstinence is a very rare feat of extreme will power....Hence Priests and Choirboys, and LGBTQ and all that palaver.

Nonetheless, it's all human nature at the end of the day.

And when you get to our age, you begin to realise, that sex isn't everything....But of course, in reality, it always was.

Of course.

Why do you ask?

Trump was obviously selected.

"Hence, Trump.....And then not Trump". 

I just used this phrase to emphasise either the fickleness or solicitousness, of the floating voter.

Elections select.....And despite all the razzmatazz of an electoral circus, selections are often made by the non-affiliated minority....."People who care to think about it".

Health is a generalisation.

Decline would suggest that said patient was in poor health, or maybe, lacked good health.

The phrase used was "The structural integrity".

The said structure obviously lacked integrity.

So a correct statement should have read something like....The structural fragility of the building, meant that it was at risk of collapse.

Apart from being a grammatically inept statement, this is also a contradiction in terms.

The building either had structural integrity, or it was at risk of collapse.

Collapse would suggest, that said building, lacked structural integrity.

Try telling that to all Muslims.

In all fairness, all the Muslim labelled humans that I know are peaceable, and in predominately Muslim countries, I have always been treated well.

Nonetheless, ideologies foster nutcases, and nutcases can incite the gullible....Look at the climax of the recent U.S. Presidential election for example.

I've pushed 60.

And long since realised that we are controlled by instinct.

Free will my arse.....(Not literally please).

So currently, what other knowledge of facts is there other than human knowledge?

For sure, communication isn't vital, though communication obviously assists the spread and advancement of knowledge.

What you are actually saying is: 

Things are, irrespective of a viewer.

And I agree.

But it is only a viewer that can attribute things with factuality.

No viewer....Things...But no facts.

1. One assumes that GOD is the foundation of all popular Abrahamic religions....Or are you saying that there is more than one.

2. Stating things is what we do.

3. Everything relates to senses...Data in, data processing, data storage, data modification and data out.....Otherwise zero.

4a. So you can't then.

5. What isn't?....See 3.

6. See 3.

7. Nice English

8. There is more than one way to define unexplainable. See explain.....Though unexplainable was your choice.

Now  whose questioning themself in the mirror.

Religious speak is hardly intelligent...Just the product of rote learning.

Intelligence advances material evolution....Theistic ideology  stagnates.

Maybe conditioned  theism is an inevitable and necessary counterbalance...Perhaps it would be foolish for humanity to peak to early.

1. Perhaps GOD is a delusion, and therefore belief in the delusion is arrogance.....So two possibilities then.

2. As far as we are able to know, all qualities are human concepts. Otherwise, things just are, and cannot be attributed quality.

3. Presumably there would be one GOD. To suggest otherwise would be to admit something.

4. How does one gain truth through the rote learning of another individuals social ideology, based upon an archaic and fantastical hypothesis.

Thou shalt do, because I believe a guy met a GOD up a mountain, and therefore because I say so...And I might get these blokes to stone you to death if you don't.

The brutal enforcement of religious and social  ideology was once the standard....In fact, I think that it still is in certain places....And I also think that some people do rightly question this aspect of GOD.

And the "future" example is simply an irrelevant truism.

5. ?

6. Which word.

7. See above.

Undoubtedly.

Typical Tarik.

It is also true that there are potatoes, regardless of cabbages.

Though, without your ability to perceive and communicate, you would have no facts.

As an insentient blob you might or might not, be aware of your own reality.

You would have to ask an insentient blob though......And therein lies the problem.

It's what's known as tradition and culture, Doc.

Hm....Nutcases often have high IQ's

And a high IQ is no guarantee of common sense.

And neither is a high IQ a guarantee of achievement or success.

And elections are usually decided by the people that care to think about it anyway.

Hence Trump...And then not Trump.

What do you mean?

For us to communicate, we firstly have to be able to perceive....Input, and then process and output data.

Some might say that, "for they are arrogant" is itself pretty arrogant.

"What is a conscious GOD"......Not an unconscious GOD.

"What is a bothered GOD"......Not a disinterested GOD.

Presumably if one is a fairly strict adherent to a religious ideology, then one accepts a conscious and bothered GOD....(Correct me if I am wrong). Otherwise how do ardent theists conclude that their prophets speak the truth?

"Is this a political description or a philosophical one"......No, an attempt at a realistic one.....Politics and philosophy are derivatives of the aforementioned process.

As is an attempt at realism of course.....As is  everything I suppose  ...Including the assumption of the matter of the universe.

But for now, let's work with a basic tenet...I think therefore I am.

1. Of course you can what?.....Your Ebuccian equation proves zero.

2."Thus make partners" etc....Religious speak....This proves zero.

3. I asserted nothing...I made an observation.....Can you invalidate my observation?

4a. No just another observation....Can you actually invalidate my observation?

5. A cup is a cup......Though perception and data management allows you to come to this conclusion.

6.Hm....

4b....In terms of everything, unexplainable is therefore unknowable. Yes indeed.

Yes...All my best English

Hypotheses that suggest a reason for the unknowable....Or unexplainable, depending upon how one chooses to split hairs.

Yep, always the way.

Homophobe, heterophobe.

Intolerance for sure.

A. Go ask.

Do you play to goats?

Perception is everything.

No perception...Nothing....Zero....No reality......No available facts.

Poetry Mr Badger.

Q. How can you tell the difference between a Police horse and a Cowboys horse.

What you need, to unite the Nation.

Is a good old skirmish with those commi bastards in the East....(Or the West depending on which way you care to look).

It's no good just picking on those little old Middle Eastern States or bombing the f**k out of some poor old Afghan goat farmer.....People are tired of that.

Twin towers is history...There's more pressing things to consider now, like LBGTQ rights and all that kind of stuff.

Let's go invade Crimea and liberate all those annexed Q's..... Or Tibet and liberate all those trans Buddhists.

Are you with me Mr Parrot?

Which Planet do Police come from exactly?

You would soon notice the difference if there were no Police.

The next Pride March would undoubtedly be accompanied with right wing, religious lunatics in cammo, armed to the teeth.

Some people don't quite know when they're well off.

Liberals need Police to enforce liberalism in a liberal society.

Go try organise an Iranian Pride March and see how you get on there.

Reality is reality....And facts are facts.

We perceive, determine and conclude facts only by internally processing data.

For you and I to be aware of and utilise factual data, we must personally input and process said data.

In a World  without consciousness, everything would be meaningless.

@RatMan

Depends upon how tight it is.

And how one minces.

And a touch of make up maybe.

And a Goucho moustache always looks good.

And maybe a touch of pink.

When is the English language not the English language?

Politely...As ever.

Well......Starting at the end and working backwards.

1. Popular Religions are huge claims..... And ultimately cannot be defended....You cannot prove the existence of a specific GOD.

2. For sure, people are easily programmed to be fanatical and more or less arrogant.

3. The weight of support rests upon social programming..... Social programming does not validate wording though.

4a. To assume to know the unknowable is arrogant....But magical blokes is a fantasy explanation, in the absence of knowledge....Doesn't matter how you dress it up.

5. Everything is an opinion....Or more precisely, subject to an individual data management process.

6. You follow, and I currently follow the Tour de France...Data input, process, store and variously output.

4b. And I cannot explain the unknowable....A GOD principle explains a universal purpose....Though everything might be pure chance.

Though there is the option of a chanceful and successive GOD principle....An idea that I find interesting.

Nonetheless, to prove any such hypothesis, one must first overcome the something from noting obstacle.

And the same applies to theistic hypotheses....To simply ignore is arrogant.

Everything in ones life is predicated on ones decisions....Or more precisely, on how one processes data.

Stating a fact is repetition... Nonetheless, repeating said fact is reliant upon internally processing the data, and deciding upon a response.

Therefore your decision will always be a subjective process....Based on or influenced by personal feelings. Oxford  Dictionaries.

Everything that you input, process and output is personal.

Well "typically", the central figure of Christianity is Jesus Christ.

And "ordinary" is what?....Given the schism and diversity of Christianity.

And the World Council of Churches is a bunch of pious folk, that presume to know something special.

As do all theists generally.

Perhaps the LDS just aren't prepared to pay the subscription fees.

Yes.

I dallied with Buddhism in my twenties.

But Buddhism like any other devotion, seemed to want to strive to achieve what it set out to achieve by striving to achieve.

And as with any other devotional ideology, this involved a whole lot of social and community ritualism and expectancy.

Truly content people do not have an ideology as such

They just have a perfunctory existence.

Which I suppose all comes down to formative data conditioning.

Attempting to re-programme by deciding to become a Buddhist for example.

Is like jumping out of one rut, only to slip into another.

It all depends upon who does the considering and who decides properness.

Who does?

Janesix is correct.

American Presidents are nominally the head of State, and the global representative thereof.

It would be foolish of you to think that they made all their own decisions.

And dementia to some degree, is an inevitable consequence of old age. 

So what do you expect?....Rhythmic Gymnastics....LOL.

And you should also have learnt from the last guy that old age is also no guarantee of common sense.

Hey put your trust in 4x4 driving, six packing, assault rifle wielding, baseball cap wearing, backwoods rednecks why don't ya....They'll no what to do.

Now where did I get that stereotype from?

Good observation.

Whereas there is clearly and upward trend in other regions......Economically, technologically and militarily.

Content is just a derivative of a database.

"Polar opposites" is just an example thereof.

All input and output relies upon an internal process.

Your output is ultimately your decision, therefore always subjective, irrespective of how the content might be subsequently judged.

I am from what is generally regarded as the British Isles.....Or the not so United Kingdom.

People have a tendency to think that they are different. Which in respect of individuality and acquired data concepts is obviously true.

Though tenuous lines on a map, which represent fictitious lines on the ground, still only separate in respect of acquired data concepts.

And sex and lust and sensuality and sin, are synonymous with procreation and the inherent and acquired internal data thereof.

And if there is a conscious GOD....I doubt that it is bothered by the whacky stuff that we get up to on this tiny bit of space rock.

And in terms of "making".

I would suggest that a GOD principle might be responsible for humans, and humans are definitely responsible for GODS. 

Ok.

 

So based upon World geography, you have an acquired sense of race and difference, and an acquired data base....Same as us all I suppose.

And  you're from in or around the Arabian Peninsular which encompasses various States depending upon where one chooses to draw a line.

And you choose to label with the name of the divergent Abrahamic sect known as Islam.

Do you also sub-label in respect of a schismatic branch of Islam? 

I personally prefer the label realist, and attempt to be as realistic as is achievable....So obviously this negates a dependency on believe or faith in the unknowable.

I therefore see no intellectual value in naive 2000 year old creation hypotheses. Though there is obviously a sketchy historical record that can be appreciated.

For me GOD is the principle that gives purpose to everything, and popular religions are just old and out dated explanations of this.

Did a bloke chat with a GOD up a mountain?

And notwithstanding the chiselling logistics...You would at least expect GOD to provide at least a few paper copies.

And then an unspecified number of years later along came other blokes who decided to do things slightly differently.

And ever since then, other blokes (and women when allowed) came along, and again thought that doing things slightly differently would be better.

Such is the generational transfer of data and the slow modification thereof.

So GOD is never a lie.

God is variously an interpretation of that which is unknowable.

And ritualistic add-ons, are just some examples of the whacky things that hominids do to pass the time of day.

So go for it.

I prefer cycling and gardening.

And within the next 30 years I expect to die and be returned to the component parts of the Universe.

And I also expect, that this is what will eventually happen to you.

But who knows?

Certainly not you or I.

Yep. I agree.

Contentment is internal.

Though a truly content person ceases to consider that which is not necessarily achievable.

Love is an overused word, that can be used to accompany any positive response to a stimulus.....Unless you are playing tennis of course.

Exactly Stephen.

Definition is.

But definition is arrived at.

Arriving at any decision demands the input, process and output of data....Even reading a dictionary.

You only know what is written in a dictionary because you are able to internally process the written data.

Therefore irrespective of content, all output is personal, and so by definition all output is subjective. 

I haven't exploded yet.

And I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

To be honest Stephen.

GOD/GODS are all made up anyway.

And conditioned intolerance and violence are a fact of life.

Old Osama and the family didn't even get chance to put their pants on.

And some Muslims stereotype Other Arabianists.

And some Other Arabianists stereotype Muslims.

And all the Muslims that I know, just want to chat about the same things that I want to chat about.

News is propaganda, so what do you expect?

Absolute truth....LOL.

Wouldn't the World be boring if everyone was honest?

One mans patriot is another mans tyrant.

So, thank goodness for democracy and a constitution.

After all, a good republican should also be a good democrat.

A republican that isn't also a democrat, therefore aspires to tyranny.

And democrats that aren't democrats, aren't democrats.

The lasting image from the last election is the old guy in the parking lot, his head streaked with sweat and dye.

The orange guy is largely forgotten now.

On reflection, quite a few.

I'm a little surprised that you don't.

Though conditioning creates limits for us all.

On the other hand....Not wishing or trying to understand would be indicative of conditioned intolerance.

Nonetheless,  more than any other label, I prefer realist, and therefore accept conditioned intolerance for what it is.

Do you accept the validity of alternative points of view?

I do.

So wherefrom did you originate?

Are you avoiding the question?