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@RatMan

I'm not sure that Leopards are aware of the concept of cruelty.

That's more the human domain.

Depends upon climate.

Cold ain't relaxing.

I'll take a look.

I'm up for a bit of excitement.

Lets say then..... I would ideally be wearing my  guaranteed anti-lion clothes.

(A very old fashioned use of the word enclosure.)

Ideally I would fall into the showers after a women's beach volleyball game, and be put in charge of the gel.

You should have omitted the word "ideally",......As grammatically,  ideally creates the context.

I could have said;

Ideally I would have used my powers of levitation.

Ideally I would have used my jet pack.

Ideally I would have used the jeep.

Ideally I would have used my Lion hypnotising gun.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Were you actually looking for an ideal?

Or were you just asking........What would you do if you fell into a Lion inclosure/enclosure.

How do you know Doc?

You must have been taking a peek.

A general observation occurred to me here doc:       

The more pious the person, the more perverse their thoughts.

Praise the Lord...This pornography is disgusting.

So where do the pious get their first hand information from?

I'd never heard of OnlyFans before now.

So are you saying that Jesus the man was the one GOD?

Or that Jesus the man was only one of several GODS?

Because as I see it...Once upon a time, you Arabian based theists all believed in the one GOD.

And your variously derived books and theologies are seemingly just variously derived books and theologies.

I understand the  semantic differentiation.

Nonetheless, the process is the same....All internal data construct, and therefore all basically subjective.

As defined....Influenced by personal tastes, feelings or opinions.

There is no way of differentiating process, therefore, all output is personal.

Anything that you like.

You asked for an ideal, and I gave you an ideal.

Thanks Doc.

Populist maybe.

Realist maybe.

Or just a meist.

And the U.S never hacks.

It's all a part of the modern game boys.

Have technology, will hack.

And Joe and Vlad smile for the cameras.

It's nice in Geneva this time of year.

And where's Xi?

Always smiling.

Sleep easy gender neutral people.

You prove it yourself, every time that you produce a response to a debateart stimulus.

Data in, data assessment, configure response, data out.

You make every thing up, irrespective of the accepted veracity of the content. 

Well...You didn't say lots of things.

And?

Different thread, same dead horse.

As I've said before....Objectivity is arrived at, by a subjective process.

Objectivity is always subjective.

Exactly.

So if I fell into a lion enclosure.

I would ideally like to end up where I said.

Very unlikely I know....But ideal.

Ideally, allows for an infinity of hypotheticals.

Ideally, I would end up in the showers after a women's beach volleyball match, and be put in charge of the gel.

The Bible is a modified version of something.

That's the best we can say.

54 pages and still flogging the dead horse, I see.

How do you imagine that  the U.S. could guarantee Ukrainian independence?

Hasn't 70 years of unsuccessfully meddling in foreign affairs taught the U.S. anything?

I see...Well spotted.

The Doc is definitely indicating an element of doubt there.

Whilst trying not to offend the Holy Mother.

@RatMan

Well, your purporting to have an in depth knowledge of prison shower basins.

Fact or fantasy?

Yep.

Reminds me of Darwin eating all the tortoises.

@RatMan

Harassment, like offense... On a remote internet platform, is something that you create inside your own head.

It's not as if you're continually being poked in the back with a pointy stick.

Ignorance is bliss.

But you don't ignore.

Because you don't want to.

It's all part of the game.

One can believe anything.

But belief is no guarantee of anything.

And conspiracy theories are what they are.

The belief, that a shadowy elite is always doing the opposite to what they say they are doing.

Do timebombs tock?

It all boils down to an individuals appreciation of sound, I suppose.

Everyone reacts to a vaccine...It's the nature of the beast.

And a  few people will react more than others.

The MMR Vaccine may well be a perfect example.

Covid is currently the popular conspiracy though.

If I explode, I will let you know.

A better debate would be:

There's zero chance, that any U.S. Presidential Election, is ever whiter than white.

What isn't history?

It will just be somewhere else to argue about religion.

Good word Doc.

Yep.

But my question remains.....What projects the simulation and how.

A Simulation Hypothesis, still doesn't overcome the something from nothing principle.

Probably true in respect of little green men.

But aliens aren't necessarily higher life forms.

Nope is sounds like someone talking s**t again.

It's probably a torpedo filled with Lysergic acid diethylamide.

I can see Mr Putin smiling.

Oh. And Mr Jinping is smiling too.

Republicans is a generalization....So if that is what they said then they were incorrect.

Those that seek to control, are at the two  extremes of politics....I support neither.

And those that seek to pontificate at the extremes, often have a tendency towards extreme religious ideology or extreme liberal ideology.

Like most, I make up the moderate core. 

As ever, you need emphatic proof.

Rather than conspiracy, generated by opposition spinners.

Sidney Powell would probably buy it .

And find you a Honduran boat for good measure.

Person shoots Niagara Falls in a Honduran boat and dies, following a Covid vaccination.....Bastard lefties.

Who believes anything that a right wing conspiracy theorist such as Sidney Powell says.

Well...Apart for right wing conspiracy theorists of course.

Fantasising about the pokability of female  journalists, is so not P.C.

Well to be fair, fantasising is OK.

It's the expression of the fantasy that is not always P.C.

For sure, there are one or two female media celebs who I would like to poke...But I'll keep that to myself.

An ambiguous statement if ever I saw one.

And  yep....Electoral systems are inherently corruptible.

And yep...The propaganda  of the left and right, is salt pinchingly takeable.

Same as it ever was.

Is an emotional plea.

No decent person wants to murder babies....Check your dictionary Mr Overblow.

Terminating an unwanted pregnancy, is a rational response to a real situation....And the provision, availability and parameters of induced abortion, should dictated by a State protocol.

The morning after pill is best bet...No different to pissing it naturally down the pan.

Spontaneous abortion as it is known.

Well....Stevie is particularly gender neutral .

I would have thought.

And your composition is usually poetic in structure.

Live their lives eat their pies

Could have been a Floydian rhyme.

And I claim to be me

A father of two.

And offense is in the head of the beholder

And I've learned not to behold 

But to jest in honesty.

And feminists wave 

As Stevie waves 

As the drowning wave

As we all wave

As the waves roll mercilessly back and forth.

I like it.

Probably.

And I mean that sincerely.

You seem to be saying the same as me, but in your own inimitable way.

Events, duration and the ability to perceive.

I never said he was. 

I merely hypothesised a secondary fantasy scenario.

But let's be honest.....The Bible doesn't actually  say that he wasn't gay....So any  assumption of a characters unspecified sexuality, is therefore what it is.

And furthermore, the actual basis of the Jesus character is uncertain....Though there is a strong suggestion, that it was based upon a real person.

A real person with unspecified sexual motives.

Your choice is your right to choose Doc....Though  your choice is clearly fashioned by your conditioned belief rather than a logical analysis of the information.

The honest outcome of analysis is:

Jesus might or might not have been based upon a real person...Therefore said person or character  might or might not have displayed homosexual tendencies, or have been attributed a sexuality by it's creators.

And you can not emphatically state otherwise, with any factual certainty....Obstinacy is what it is.

The outcome of conditioned obstinacy is:   

It means.

Humans have a tendency to care about what they think about, and some humans have a tendency to care more than others....The right and the wrong of it, is as conceptual as the tendency to care is....After all, morals are just make believe.

Rearing livestock for consumption is an evolutionary phenomena, so could rightly be regarded as a natural process, as could be the current trends of human conceptual sensitivity....but once again neither, is either universally right or universally wrong.

And attempting to meddle with evolved natural processes, is more of the same....I'm not sure how one would enforce a meat free diet upon a wild Lion....Without depriving said Lion of it's wildness.

But that said....As human greed and insatiable requirements  burgeon. the World is slowly and inevitably  becoming a Zoo.....Yet another dilemma for the moral conceptualists to worry about.

Well.

Suggesting that pro-choice is therefore always pro-abortion is disingenuous, especially when you're attempting to theo-politicize a personal human social dilemma.

I'm pro-choice and have no moral issues with early term abortion, though this does not necessarily make me pro-abortion.

Questioning "State" and "effective" is really just jumping on the media bandwagon, slagging off whosoever might currently be in power.

We are all "State", and sure, legislation is a protracted process, and rightly so.

On the other hand, we are not all singularly religious, so although a singular church maybe consistent in it's stance, it is not always representative of a State, and should not be allowed to dictate either Government policy, or the right of an individual to choose.

Religion should be no more than the Sunday morning club.....Though with all  that bigotry , I know that's a lot to ask for.

What is your measure of gratuitous suffering based upon.

Other than your own inability to deal with the internal appreciation of the processes of enforced death.

After all, a natural existence is no guarantee of non-gratuitous suffering.

What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve over....As it were.

Of course the best way to end single motherhood.

Is an  effective State contraception and abortion system.

Oh.....But then you've got to appease all those meddling GOD botherers.

F**k me, you just can't win.

Overpopulation is a fictitious problem.

Simultaneously, this is true and also a fictitious statement.

Though one assumes that there is a limit to sustainability.

What do you think?

Maybe that's a good idea.

But I think that the concepts of time and the measurement of duration, evolved purposefully and relative to certain events.

Such as, a  complete cycle of the Earth relative to the Sun can, naturally be broken down into 365 and a bit. Rather than precisely 1000 or 100.

So a month would be 36.5ish days long and, a week would be 3.65 days.

3.65 days could then be broken down into a metric hour minutes seconds etc.

As we tend to associate a day with a secondary motion of the Earth relative to the Sun.... Relative to evolved sleep and activity patterns.

Really, you might as well just leave things as they are....Would probably save a whole lot of hassle.